Ride Report wanted: King springs, or whiteline opinions!

[d1giPhux]

Looking for ride reports of the following springs for a subaru legacy BD sedan:


King Springs
Whiteline Control Springs
Any other type

I think i may be getting some new springs soon, and i really want something with MINIMAL drop and good ride / not too stiff, but still aggressive.

Also, does anyone have part numbers for the sedans? Both seem to not list rears for the sedans.

PICS ARE APPRECIATED. STANCE PICS BEFORE / AFTER INSTALL IF YOU HAVE EM! or sites where to get stuff.

Thanks!


edit: looking for the following:

1. What type of suspension setup do you have?
2. Do you know the part numbers? Where did you buy it?
3. How does the car feel under heavy turning? Does it stay flat or have body roll?
4. How does the car feel for everyday driving? I'm talking cracked roads, speedbumps, missing pavement.. etc
5. How much did it lower your car in the front? How much in the back?

[Reason]

Those Eibachs aren't making the cut are they? lol

[Grafton]

I am really happy with my kyb/H&R set up

but as this is the only modifed suspension i've ever had and ever ridden around on

[Reason]

I am really happy with my kyb/H&R set up

but as this is the only modifed suspension i've ever had and ever ridden around on


I liked it, but it wasn't stiff enough for me. It seems like what I got now is better. My ride is comfortable, yet theres no body roll.

[d1giPhux]

Those Eibachs aren't making the cut are they? lol

They have probably close to 170k miles on them right now.. so they are starting to get a bit worn down. I bought them used.. not new. I didn't expect them to last forever. They still work great.. but I think I want to get some new springs so i can minimize any other damage it may be causing on my new struts. Also just want something with a BIT more clearance. The roads here are pretty bad.. and I'm also getting sick of having to roll up on wood blocks before going up on ramps.. etc.

reason: how bout some useful info about what setup you have.. how it feels on the streets, how it feels when running over large cracks / speedbumps, etc. Come on.. looking for some info here, not just bullshitting on my current springs! :lol:

So lets hear it.. what do ya got? Part numbers? What fits the sedan? Where to get stuff.. etc.. etc.

Really looking for some ride reports however.. so this is the format i'll shoot for:

1. What type of suspension setup do you have?
2. Do you know the part numbers? Where did you buy it?
3. How does the car feel under heavy turning? Does it stay flat or have body roll?
4. How does the car feel for everyday driving? I'm talking cracked roads, speedbumps, missing pavement.. etc
5. How much did it lower your car in the front? How much in the back?

Thanks guys!

[Robbks]

Kings= Harsh ride. they are cheap for a reason.

I have a full set of 04 STi gear in my 94 GT Wagon.
sits at about the same height as a JDM GTB (~15mm lower than stock)
the handling is brilliant and the ride is't harsh. but it is typical STi. which is kind of bumpy at low speeds.

[Reason]

1) Bilstein struts from a '95 GrandWagon with STI springs.
2) Front: ST2040022000 Rear: ST2030022000
3) Awesome 0- to little body roll (I have a outback 18mm bar stock rear end links. And just GroupA endlinks in the front and a front strut tower brace)
4) Again AWESOME little stuff isnt bad, and I dont care what suspension you have, speed bumps are designed well lol. As for holes in the road, yea they will hit hard. So did my H&R/GR2 set up
5) 30mm Front and Rear (according to Subaru of Japan)
6) THEY ARE AWESOME! (no really, I like them a lot)

[Huffer]

I respectfully disagree on the king springs. I am running my second set, my first was the impreza back home in NZ. however, because kings makes a low (30mm drop) and a super low (50mm) version I can understand if you felt the super lows were harsh-they are, but kings themselves say that they're for cosmetic lowering only and as such they reduce suspension travel on a standard strut.

I prefer to run a mild lowering spring simply because I don't want to sacrifice too much travel but I do want a responsive vehicle. I have used king springs in many environments from new Zealand highways (tight, twisty roads with many swithbacks) to Ohio roads with potholes, snow and high speed onramps. I've even taken my car offroad on a gravel trail.

I like them, they fit perfect with no issues, gave me a nice EVEN drop and the ride is good. Costwise they are a little expensive if you have to ship them to the USA, I brought them over in my bags when I came back to te states after having visited my family.

For before, after pics check out my member rides thread.

[d1giPhux]

Robbks: What type of King springs did you have?

See.. i'm a bit worried about the potholes in the ground hitting hard. Even on my worn out Eibachs i don't feel harsh pot holes in the road that bad.. and they are significantly lower then stock..hmm. I really just want something with a bit of performance, but overall comfortable ride. I don't like jarring stiffness going over pot holes and such.. which we have a lot of here.

Now i just need some whiteline reviews?

So would you guys say this is the correct order for drop height of these springs going from smallest to largest drop:

-Sti Springs
-King Springs
-Whiteline Control
-H&R

[Huffer]

I believe the STi springs or King Springs Low will be ideal for you - you sound a bit like me, picky about your comfort but you want some sporty handling. The other thing that KS do which is amazing, is that they provide different springs depending on your engine/chassis combo - which means you get the perfect stance front to rear.

Here's some before and after pics of both my King Spring Low equipped cars

99 Impreza L:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/04/040305_Lowered_sml-1.jpg
After
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2005/09/040305_Right-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/05/040305_RearArches_sml-1.jpg

98 Legacy GT
Before:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/10/081016-1.jpg
After:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/10/091012_noroofrails2-1.jpg

[d1giPhux]

Nice.. that looks like a pretty nice drop. How hard are the springs to get.. cause I know they come from quite far away! Whiteline are also probably expensive as well because of the distance.

[Huffer]

King Springs (and Whiteline for that matter) are not "hard" to get - the shipping is expensive. You can order/contact the New Zealand supplier of King Springs via www.georgestocks.co.nz (http://www.georgestocks.co.nz)
I actually went in, and picked up my springs over the counter. I just told them the make/model of car, which engine and they gave me two boxes right there.

You may be able to have Reuben source a slightly used set - there will be little to no corrosion on them at all unless the car they've been on sits in mud or at the beach all day. New Zealand roads are typically in very good shape.

Price is US$220 or so... most places will charge you around $100 for shipping and handling, but again a local contact like Reuben might be of use. I would offer my family but I would then have to figure out paypaling them back and they're not set up for it.

Also, FWIW, the Whiteline Controls don't drop the car much at all - MyogiNightKid has a set on his BK and it's not as low as my car. In fact, it looks like stock.

So I would say your most-to-least drop spring list goes:
H&R
Whiteline Flatout/King Springs Super-Low
King Spring Low/STi Pinks (BD specific)
Whiteline Control

[Kraziken]

I've never used King Springs, but in every one of my vehicles I've always preferred to use the least amount drop as possible.

The Whiteline springs don't drop much, but I think they were great as far as performance and comfort. Ultimately if you pair the springs with GR-2 struts, you might leave something to be desired in performance, but when I had the adjustible AGX struts it offered more performance, at the cost of some comfort.

A picture comparing whiteline control and stock (note my tires in this pic are slightly oversized and not factory rubber).

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/02/DSCN1273-1.jpg

[d1giPhux]

Nice! thanks guys.. I still need to make up my mind at some point in time. How exactly do the STI springs ride? And what do you mean BD specific? Also.. about how much lower would you say they are over stock?

I really hate trying to decide on springs.. i did this before and it took me forever. i REALLY love the eibachs i have now.. but they are discontinued. However.. boxer4racing seems to list them under BD legacy years? Hmm.. maybe they know something i don't. Also saw a cool thread over at legacygt.com or whatever about getting older eibachs back in stock.. but i think they were considering 'older' like 05 and such. sucks.. because i would buy another set in a heartbeat.

Those whitelines do look pretty close to stock, in fact its hard to tell. They probably look like they have less of a gap with 17's huh? What tires do you run on your 17's when you have them on (assuming you have 17's..).

Thanks all! Hopefully more reports will come in and i can have some help trying to decide what is good for us BD guys out there.

[Huffer]

STi made BD-BG specific springs... but they also made springs for all their other cars too. That's why I mentioned being specific, because around here some people cry foul over STi ever having made anything for the BD/BG. ;)

Boxer4racing is notorious for not updating their site in terms of availability - just like every other vendor. Trust me, if the manufacturer doesn't list it, then it's not available.

You'll honestly only ever be able to decide what's good for YOU - some people like riding low, others not so much.

[Reason]

If you ask Boxer4Racing for Eibach springs they will try to sell you 02-03 wrx springs. I already asked them this sometime last year.

[Kraziken]

Nice! thanks guys.. I still need to make up my mind at some point in time. How exactly do the STI springs ride? And what do you mean BD specific? Also.. about how much lower would you say they are over stock?

I really hate trying to decide on springs.. i did this before and it took me forever. i REALLY love the eibachs i have now.. but they are discontinued. However.. boxer4racing seems to list them under BD legacy years? Hmm.. maybe they know something i don't. Also saw a cool thread over at legacygt.com or whatever about getting older eibachs back in stock.. but i think they were considering 'older' like 05 and such. sucks.. because i would buy another set in a heartbeat.

Those whitelines do look pretty close to stock, in fact its hard to tell. They probably look like they have less of a gap with 17's huh? What tires do you run on your 17's when you have them on (assuming you have 17's..).

Thanks all! Hopefully more reports will come in and i can have some help trying to decide what is good for us BD guys out there.

How harsh are the roads are where you are? I really dislike rubbing or other nonsense, so that is why I dislike harsh drops.
The whitelines settle over time, and probably end up at an inch or just over an inch in drop.

I never had 17's. Here is an older pic where I was still on my Whiteline springs on 18's. I've ran autocross with Whiteline control and AGX struts and it worked great.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/02/DSCN0058-1.jpg

[d1giPhux]

Damn.. those whitelines look pretty nice now that you show some pictures of them after they settled. The roads around here are pretty harsh. Not too bad.. but especially this time of year and winter, the roads get wicked frozen up and there is lots of bumps/ jarring cracks.. etc.

How would you rate the whitelines in terms of comfort? Also.. where do you get them?

[Reason]

I can get Whiteline parts...

[httrdd]

That has to be the most perfect drop! I would go for that. Not too low and just high enough. I have a guy offering me used whitelines, I might just have to snag them if they are this nice.

[d1giPhux]

Damn.. if you don't get em.. pass along the info!

reason: i hit you up for some price quotes.

kraziken: You have any more pics with the suspension installed and stock 16" rims?

Anyone else on these forums got the whitelines who's pics i could check out?

[Robbks]

I had Gen2 King Lows (30mm drop) KSRL-25 in the rear on 04 STi struts
(04 Sti springs and struts in the front)
it handled like a train. brilliant. but the ride is harsh
even the stiff STi struts struggled to dampen the springs effectively and it would "bounce"

But the roads where i live are not good at all.
they may be fine on the freeway or the track

A friend of mine also has a gen2 GT wagon with gen2 king lows on the stock struts.
the front end would bang harshly as compared with my front STi springs.
he has since sold that setup and gone with JDM Gen2 GTB Bilsteins. the height is much better (15mm drop over standard) the ride is superb and so is the handling. all at a budget price

[Kraziken]

Damn.. if you don't get em.. pass along the info!

reason: i hit you up for some price quotes.

kraziken: You have any more pics with the suspension installed and stock 16" rims?

Anyone else on these forums got the whitelines who's pics i could check out?

The one pic I have earlier is one of the few.

So the real difference is when I bought my car, it the tires that came with it were 65 series tires instead of 60's. So just try to imagine the tire height just a bit smaller. I believe if I stuck my fingers under the fender I could get two fingers in between the fender and the tire. At least that is what I remember.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/02/DSCN1275-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/02/DSCN1272-1.jpg

[d1giPhux]

kraziken: thanks for the extra pics! Looks pretty nice.. close to stock.. but a BIT lower.

Robbks: Where did your friend get the 'JDM Gen2 GTB Bilsteins'?? And what springs was he running with those bilsteins? Also.. do you have any pics of how your car looked on the lows? When you say 'bounce'.. why does the car bounce around if the springs are stiffer? So are you saying the king springs may be TOO stiff for street use, or what?

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Also.. this is what boxer4racing said:

We use the Eibach kit made for the 2002-2003 WRX sedan. It has a stiffer rate for the WRX setup which works well with the 95 to 99 Legacy body. We for this when we raced a 98 GT Sedan several years ago. The only other upgrade you may want to consider would be the Group N top hats since they are stiffer and work well with GR2's

So how can they be selling these as Legacy springs? Will the springs work directly with the LGT top hats and stuff? Don't you need to buy other stuff in order to make this work?


Edit: If anyone wants to add pics of other springs / strut combos on their sedans... post em up! I'm looking for minor drop, and good streetability. I don't want my car feeling like its riding on blocks when going over large bumps / cracks in the road and such.

[Huffer]

Oh geez man - you KNOW all this stuff - the suspension swaps have been discussed, explored and dissected at LENGTH on this forum.

JDM Bilstein suspension is widely available in New Zealand and Australia - they're taken off imported cars - something the USA doesn't allow.
GTB = wagon, Gen2 = BD/BG...
You know this stuff...

As for the bouncing - anytime you have a compressed spring you will experience some kind of "bounce" - how much depends on the spring, and the shock/strut/damper you use. Much like how a blown strut results in a bouncing car down the freeway, too hard of a spring + too soft a damper gives the same result.

[d1giPhux]

Why doesn't the US allow that?

Also.. yeah. All the JDM names and shit get me really confused. Just too damn many. I know all the USDM stuff.. well.. because I live here. Its hard to remember what fits what sometimes.

So GTB is wagon only.. I'm assuming is this something like the 'outback' model here? higher off the ground.. beefier suspension?

If i wanted to go with JDM stuff.. i would want to go with Gen2 correct? Meh.. good luck finding any of that stuff.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. And yeah, i know the suspension stuff has been discussed a million times.. but its still not clear in my head what fits what.. no matter how many times i read it, it just seems to make me more confused. I'm guessing that if i want to swap in 02 wrx springs or something.. i DO need wrx top hats? Or will the legacy top hats work with the WRX springs? I have no clue about this stuff sometimes.. hence why I'm asking.

In that case.. those Tanabe GF210 springs look really nice / sounds really great from what ive read. Wonder what they would be like on the BD.

I guess in the end.. what really matters is getting a good strut / spring combo. I don't want to be bouncing around.. and i really don't want something thats too harsh / jarring. I'm currently running KYB GR-2's.. so any spring that would work with those would be great. Hopefully i dont have any blown struts and can reuse them as I just bought them last summer.

[Kraziken]

BTW, I purchased my springs from PDM-racing.

When they didn't have the springs in stock, they charged half up front, and the other half when the springs actually arrived.

www.pdm-racing.com (http://www.pdm-racing.com)

[)2edline]

So I've been asked for my input. lol

I'm at work and mad tired but I'll give it a go.

I rode on my stock suspension for about…a full year and I did my spirited driving in the snow and got used to the ride over twisty roads, Boston’s terrible local streets and highways and just about everywhere else.

I never noticed the body roll or the lackluster turning at that point, cus I loved my BD and all. But over the course of 2008 I got more and more into getting new parts. Tracy [SLIKID] who was local to me was selling a sub, I somehow ended up picking up his WRX struts and springs lol. Before I could even think of getting different springs or even putting them on, HeresMyMind came to me with a killer deal for the 04STi set he had. He said they handled like a dream but for a wagon and the stuff he hauls, too much sag, too much rub.

I got them on in the Spring of 09, being told that my original rear struts were blown like a mother. The ride difference is like day and night, but I always thought that since I never auto’x or track it that I don’t really contribute to the discussion but here it is.

Paired with my Whiteline RSB and a good camber setup, it corners flat, stays planted, and is civilized enough. I think it’s perfectly stiff for just about anyone, it rides like a god for me and makes me happy about the car. It gives you confidence driving faster and more aggressive which I think is what any good suspension should do for a driver. Boston roads are complete shit, but it handles it fine; you might get the usual thud or jarring bumpiness going over shitty road but that’s kinda how it is for any car. The drop it gives is probably around a inch or so. For BD’s it does give a little butt sag, but Shane over at Paranoid can help with that. Rubbin can be a issue with too much load without the Paranoid spacers so watch out for that. lol, with the summer wheels and 2-3 people in the backseat, I could qualify for the HellaFlush movement.

But at the prices theyre selling now, if you can snag a set, it’s a real bang for your buck. I believe the breakdown is just stiff Subaru springs with non-adjustable KYB-AGX’s?
This is how she sat over last summer.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/09/IMG_0328-1.jpg

[Yamazaki]

Why doesn't the US allow that?

Also.. yeah. All the JDM names and shit get me really confused. Just too damn many. I know all the USDM stuff.. well.. because I live here. Its hard to remember what fits what sometimes.

So GTB is wagon only.. I'm assuming is this something like the 'outback' model here? higher off the ground.. beefier suspension?

If i wanted to go with JDM stuff.. i would want to go with Gen2 correct? Meh.. good luck finding any of that stuff.

Keep in mind that you aren't limited to GT-Bs. The RS also had standard Bilsteins and other models had them as an option (like the 250T, for example). So there's actually a LOT of Bilstein suspensions out there.

[Robbks]

Robbks: Where did your friend get the 'JDM Gen2 GTB Bilsteins'?? And what springs was he running with those bilsteins? Also.. do you have any pics of how your car looked on the lows? When you say 'bounce'.. why does the car bounce around if the springs are stiffer? So are you saying the king springs may be TOO stiff for street use, or what?

Bilstens were sourced from Yahoo Auctions in Japan, via a parts importer here in Aus ( www.importmonster.com.au (http://www.importmonster.com.au) )
He's running the standard JDM Springs fitted to the bilsteins

The kings are too stiff for the shock to adequately be able "dampen" the rebound-effect of the spring.
so after the spring has compressed it shoots back up quickly,
then the weight of the car compresses the spring again, and on it goes. so the car "bounces" on the spring.

the kings are fine for lowering a car and may work well with a VERY stiff shock, but the ride is NOT comfortable.

this is a JDM GT-B Legacy as fitted with stock JDM Suspension
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/02/100_1297-1.jpg

this is a JDM GT Legacy as fitted with stock GT Struts and King Lows
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/09/100_3264-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/09/100_3265-1.jpg

and this is my car fitted with 04STi struts/ springs
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

[d1giPhux]

Nice.. thanks for the great reviews guys! Sounds like 04 sti springs may be the way to go. Do you think the sti struts are a good bet (are they stiffer then GR-2s?.. or would GR-2's be decent enough with the sti springs?

Thanks for all the great info.. those sti springs look like the perfect height.. and thanks to the great review sound like they may be a very good choice. Do you NEED the top hats to run them.. or do they work with the LGT tops hats? I'm still not clear on all that.

Thanks again guys! glad to get some more insight. Have anymore pics with the sti suspension?

[Robbks]

04 STi springs will need 03+ WRX or STi rear top-hats due to the rear springs being tapered at teh top
fronts are all the same

but 01-02STi rear springs are non-tapered, the same as the LGT

however, there are differences in the strut length and spring perch height from LGT to the STi's and WRX's again and as such i can't guarantee correct ride-height from using the STi springs on LGT struts.

As a complete bolt-in solution, try to get the 01-04 STi spings, struts and top-hats as a package.
Also, the JDM Bilsteins may be a good solution too (if you can get them freighted in). very similar height to the STi's and a slightly smoother ride.

[d1giPhux]

The JDM bilsteins.. who makes the springs for those?

So if i got STI springs it would be a best bet to use the sti struts / rear top hats as well too eh? Hmm.. might have to check out some of the options from JDM land. Whats good stock stuff from over there that would lower me a bit but give me a good ride as well? Something sedan specific perhaps...

thanks for the help.. not sure of my options really, so I'm still gettin all this.

[httrdd]

Here is the setup the guy is offerering. Whiteline springs with 02 WRX struts. It has about 20,000-30,000 on them. I will give you a report after the install. I am paying 125 bucks, cause he wants them gone!

[d1giPhux]

^ nice.. thanks for rubbing it in! ass! haha. :smt005

are those whiteline springs on there wrx specific? So your probably going to get even more of a drop then eh?

btw.. whats the white stuff coiled/wrapped around the spring?

[httrdd]

I am researching the white wrap now. Not sure about them being wrx specific though. I am going to call him again. I will keep an eye out for you though. I usually find some pretty good deals out there!

[Huffer]

It's just a plastic bit that is supposed to protect from corrosion. All it does is get dirt trapped, become brittle and fall off.

digi - Bilsteins are just like any other OEM strut - big, beefy but rebuildable. They fit OEM springs as long as you have the right top-hat. Don't get things so confused.

[d1giPhux]

thanks for clearing that up huffer.

yeah.. so looks like whiteline is out of the picture since they are now discontinued and no longer made for the sedan. At least the rears are no longer made.. as according to PDM.. and according to reason they are discontinued all together. Lame.

Its looking like I'm gonna have to go with Sti springs in the future. I can either go with a full used setup, or get BD specific sti springs for the high cost of $400... just for the springs shipped from japan land.

[httrdd]

You do not have to lok for BD based springs. If you are swaping in sti/wrx struts then you can find sti/wrx springs that fit.

This should be sticky!

[d1giPhux]

I wasnt planning on swapping in new struts.. thats the thing. Mine are basically brand new. However if i find a good deal on struts / springs / top hats outta someones car or something.. then thats a different story all together.

[Kraziken]

Actually, I'm pretty sure the coiled part around the springs is a silencer, not to protect against corrosion. I bought those for my springs.

Dang, didn't know they discontinued the spring. I'm riding on borrowed suspension while my coilovers are rebuilt. I regret selling mine now.

[Robbks]

^^ yep, the wrap stops the springs from hitting each other under hard/ sudden compression.

If you want to keep your struts then get BD/BG specific springs (BG will just be a bit stiffer and maybe higher in teh rear) due to the different lengths of struts/ springs that are out there.
Even BD/BG Bilsteins have different length/ height struts and simply changing springs could make the car sit un-even or at an incorrect height.

[d1giPhux]

Reason: how you like the BG stuts on your sedan? I still have the feeling that BG struts on a BD sedan would make the car jacked up somehow.. or be too large for the spring application.. unless your running BG springs too.

Anyways.. where the hell can I even start looking for some nice STI / bilstein stuff? Seems like its almost impossible to find.. even by sellers here on the forums. I guess the struts might not be that much of a problem.. but finding some good springs seems like it could be quite the challenge. Not to mention.. i don't want stuff from a BG.. cause its probably wagon specific and will sit higher then i'm looking for.

[Huffer]

Reason: how you like the BG stuts on your sedan? I still have the feeling that BG struts on a BD sedan would make the car jacked up somehow.. or be too large for the spring application.. unless your running BG springs too.

Anyways.. where the hell can I even start looking for some nice STI / bilstein stuff? Seems like its almost impossible to find.. even by sellers here on the forums. I guess the struts might not be that much of a problem.. but finding some good springs seems like it could be quite the challenge. Not to mention.. i don't want stuff from a BG.. cause its probably wagon specific and will sit higher then i'm looking for.

Dude, WHAT?!

The BG = BD in terms of struts - they are THE SAME. The valving barely changes because the JDM BG simply has a 70lb hatch on the back - the springs set the rebound rate.

You have to search the forums - scoobydrifto (here and NASIOC) is selling a complete BG Bilstein set with JDM STi springs for $500. If you're smart, you'll buy it. The Bilsteins will outperform your KYB GR2 AND they're rebuildable. You could keep your GR2s for spares (when you eventually have to send your Bilsteins in for a rebuild) or you could flip them for $150 and have some cash back.

Trust me - BG suspension will be FINE on your BD. Stop over thinking it, it's not that complicated!

[d1giPhux]

Well.. its complicated.. when you don't know! I own a sedan.. not a wagon. Hence why i thought there MAY be a difference. I thought the springs in the BG wagons were much higher then a sedan? I mean.. isnt that the point of having a wagon.. to carry lots of heavy crap? :lol:

I didn't know he was selling springs with those struts.. or else i would buy them. but i'm pretty sure its JUST the struts for $550 + shipping.. which is a bit high for me. I'll re-look though. Thanks for pointing out that BD / BG spring sizes IN FACT DO NOT MATTER! :lol:

[Robbks]

Springs are the same physical length (BD-BG) just the BG has a lightly stiffer spring rate.
this "may" push the rear of a sedan slightly higher (5mm) when un-laden.
add some tools/ emergency water and a decent sub to the boot and it'll level it out.. :D

[2.5GT]

1. What type of suspension setup do you have?
KYB shocks/ H&R springs. Daily/spirited driving.

2. Do you know the part numbers? Where did you buy it?
KYB GR-2 struts:
Driver's front (LF) - 334112
Passenger front (RF) - 334111
Driver's rear (LR) - 334116
Passenger rear (RR) - 334115

H&R Sport springs:
29868
Front - 1.25"
Rear - 1.0"

Bought both the shocks/springs at tirerack.com

3. How does the car feel under heavy turning? Does it stay flat or have body roll?
Moderate body roll, less body roll than stock suspension. All depends on your driving style and other suspension mods. The only upgrade to my suspension components are the KYB shocks/H&R springs, strut bars and Kartboy rear subframe bolts. There is more than noticeable body roll around corners and S turns, but lesser than stock suspension. Bigger sway bars may solve that problem.

4. How does the car feel for everyday driving? I'm talking cracked roads, speedbumps, missing pavement.. etc
Comparable to stock ride quality. The vehicle feels just ever-so-slightly stiffer than oem suspension.

5. How much did it lower your car in the front? How much in the back?
Front - 1.25"
Rear - 1.0"
Our vehicle's body line is not a straight shot arrow. The rear wheel arch is lower than the front. So when lowering the car, the rear seems to "sag". My remedy to fix this "sag" is rubber spacers that you can find at your local Advance, Autozone, Pepboys etc.

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[d1giPhux]

^ wow.. awesome amount of info man! and that drop looks much better then i remember the H&R's looking like. Looks good with the rear spacers too. Do you think those spacers will ever wear down and fall out? Do they make the ride hard at all?

[httrdd]

Looks like they would. I would find ones a little more sturdy. The ride height looks awesome!

I am really considering new rims now seeing those BBS! :smt007

[d1giPhux]

yeah.. the bbs are definitely sick. Too bad they are a pain in the ass to find.. and also expensive when you do find em! I really like some of the 'drag' series rims myself.. they make some decent ones.

[B's Legacy Wagon]

Great thread/posts ill have to start following this one.I like that you guys are icluding info on the sedan modles vs wagon in your conversations,because i am running a wagon myself and will help me get ideas by listining to you all

[d1giPhux]

yeah definitely a good thread.. lets keep the reviews coming from different suspension setups.. they are very useful!

[2.5GT]

As far was wear, I've only had those rubber spacers on...err..say about 2-3k? They are actually epoxy glued to the seat of the spacer to the spring. It held pretty sturdy and no problem with them fall out (yet). I've taken some pretty hard corners and turns, so far so good. Ride quality is about the same, not sure it it made any difference at all. If you go to my member gallery, you'll find more recent pics of the ride height.