fogs lights on WiTHOUT the headlights

[jny03subbie]

I drive an 2003 Legacy L .
My question is there any way that I can have my Fog lights on without turning the headlights ? Thanks for you're responds guys !!!

[ouch1011]

You have to modify the wiring to the foglight relay so that it gets a power source without having the headlights on. Its do-able, I've done it. Don't remember the specifics. I'm sure there is a how-to on here somewhere.

[LIMITED]

It has to do with grounding the switch to the body. i have read it long time ago. Don't remember where.
also interested in this.

[LiCelsior]

theres a DIY but its for the 2nd gen. wiring should be the same concept though.

[02_Legacy]

I just took a look at the wiring diagram. If you want to put a switch in to do it, it looks like you will need to tap into a Black (or blue) and Purple wire (color code is BP) that goes into the fog light switch on the dash, and connect it to ground or positive through a switch. You will have to experement to see if it needs + or -.

[jewbaru]

this would be awesome.. you could do if right from the switch inside by grounding a wire? wouldnt the relay be under the hood?

[httrdd]

I belive that L is blue so B is black. P is pink. That would make the wire a black wire with a pink stripe. Trust me I went through tons of wiring diagrams recently.

[02_Legacy]

I belive that L is blue so B is black. P is pink. That would make the wire a black wire with a pink stripe. Trust me I went through tons of wiring diagrams recently.
good to know, I was looking for a key somewhere in the manual but I couldn't find one, though I didn't spend much time looking

[httrdd]

I belive that L is blue so B is black. P is pink. That would make the wire a black wire with a pink stripe. Trust me I went through tons of wiring diagrams recently.
good to know, I was looking for a key somewhere in the manual but I couldn't find one, though I didn't spend much time looking

I believe it is right before the wiring diagrams in a manual.

[jny03subbie]

so where do i start ?

[jewbaru]

good question...

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[02_Legacy]

Take off the fog light switch that is to the left of the steering wheel. There will be six wires going to it. Find the black wire with a pink strip. You will need to T into this wire so either strip the insulation off in the middle or get one of thoes connectors that is made for that, I forget what they are called, but they should know what you are talking about at a hardware store. Then take the wire that you connected to the black and pink wire and attach it to one side of a switch and ground the otherside of the switch. Test to see if the switch works. If it does not connect the other side to a positive source, test again. I hope you see what i'm talking about.
Note: I cannot be for sure that this will work or not, and the car may need to be running for it to work, but its worth a try.

[jewbaru]

does the switch clip in? or does it have to be removed from behind?

[jewbaru]

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[Reuben]

WUT.

You guy's can't have your fog lights on independent of the headlights? What the fucking fuck SOA.

[rstimpreza]

Take off the fog light switch that is to the left of the steering wheel. There will be six wires going to it. Find the black wire with a pink strip. You will need to T into this wire so either strip the insulation off in the middle or get one of thoes connectors that is made for that, I forget what they are called, but they should know what you are talking about at a hardware store. Then take the wire that you connected to the black and pink wire and attach it to one side of a switch and ground the otherside of the switch. Test to see if the switch works. If it does not connect the other side to a positive source, test again. I hope you see what i'm talking about.
Note: I cannot be for sure that this will work or not, and the car may need to be running for it to work, but its worth a try.

What do you mean by this? Read the one in BOLD

[02_Legacy]

Take off the fog light switch that is to the left of the steering wheel. There will be six wires going to it. Find the black wire with a pink strip. You will need to T into this wire so either strip the insulation off in the middle or get one of thoes connectors that is made for that, I forget what they are called, but they should know what you are talking about at a hardware store. Then take the wire that you connected to the black and pink wire and attach it to one side of a switch and ground the otherside of the switch. Test to see if the switch works. If it does not connect the other side to a positive source, test again. I hope you see what i'm talking about.
Note: I cannot be for sure that this will work or not, and the car may need to be running for it to work, but its worth a try.

What do you mean by this? Read the one in BOLD

A normal switch will have two terminals one terminal you will ground, the other terminal connects to the black and pink wire. But don't just cut the black/pink wire, you have to T off it.

[jey]

WUT.

You guy's can't have your fog lights on independent of the headlights? What the fucking fuck SOA.

It's an American rule I believe, all cars I've driven here are like that.

[98outbackpdx]

i have seen it in pickups like the dodge ram and the chevy silverado, with the chevy (2003 at least) it turns on the parking lights so tail lights and the orange lights with the turn signal and fogs.

[02_Legacy]

i have seen it in pickups like the dodge ram and the chevy silverado, with the chevy (2003 at least) it turns on the parking lights so tail lights and the orange lights with the turn signal and fogs.
That makes no sence, you can't drive down the road with your parking lights on.

[ALL NATURAL]

^^Yes you can, one click of the lighting switch turns on the parking lights and two turns should be the full headlights.

In my Impreza there is a switch on top of my steering column that controls the parking lights, you can have them on whenever you want.

[02_Legacy]

^^Yes you can, one click of the lighting switch turns on the parking lights and two turns should be the full headlights.

In my Impreza there is a switch on top of my steering column that controls the parking lights, you can have them on whenever you want.

yes but the whole point of PARKING lights is to let others know you are PARKED. It is very illegal to drive with your parking lights on though you may be able to do it.

[jny03subbie]

[quote="02_Legacy":3c4c32s3]Take off the fog light switch that is to the left of the steering wheel. There will be six wires going to it. Find the black wire with a pink strip. You will need to T into this wire so either strip the insulation off in the middle or get one of thoes connectors that is made for that, I forget what they are called, but they should know what you are talking about at a hardware store. Then take the wire that you connected to the black and pink wire and attach it to one side of a switch and ground the otherside of the switch. Test to see if the switch works. If it does not connect the other side to a positive source, test again. I hope you see what i'm talking about.
Note: I cannot be for sure that this will work or not, and the car may need to be running for it to work, but its worth a try.

What do you mean by this? Read the one in BOLD

A normal switch will have two terminals one terminal you will ground, the other terminal connects to the black and pink wire. But don't just cut the black/pink wire, you have to T off it.[/quote:3c4c32s3]

so i have to buy another switch with an ground wire attached ???

[02_Legacy]

^^ no you can just wire a seprate switch in.
I was looking at the wiring diagram and I found a better, foolproof way of doing it. Here is a quick sketch:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/09/Fogson1-1.jpg
So tap into the white and black wire, and be carefull where you get the power from as that will go directly to the fogs, and will require quite a bit.

[95USsubaru]

fogs, along with DRLs cant be switched by grounding one of the wires from the actual switch. donno which one. you should just make it independent. ground the lights as they normally are, find the relay, the power is already there. all u need essentially is 3 wires. the ground wires from the light. the power from the light to the switch. and the power from the battery to the switch with the fuse. the relays come in if you are going to make them work with the OEM airing you have. sorry if this confuses anyone

[jewbaru]

[quote="ALL NATURAL":374v77q1]^^Yes you can, one click of the lighting switch turns on the parking lights and two turns should be the full headlights.

In my Impreza there is a switch on top of my steering column that controls the parking lights, you can have them on whenever you want.

yes but the whole point of PARKING lights is to let others know you are PARKED. It is very illegal to drive with your parking lights on though you may be able to do it.[/quote:374v77q1]



illegal to drive with my parking lights on? really

[jewbaru]

^^Yes you can, one click of the lighting switch turns on the parking lights and two turns should be the full headlights.

In my Impreza there is a switch on top of my steering column that controls the parking lights, you can have them on whenever you want.



i have that too in my leggy, but the DRL are always on enless i click the ebrake up one click and have the headlight switch off

[jewbaru]

what the hell is the purpose of having that switch on the top of the steering column anyway? a switch to leave the parking lights on alllllll the time

[02_Legacy]

what the hell is the purpose of having that switch on the top of the steering column anyway? a switch to leave the parking lights on alllllll the time
That is so when you are parked you can turn your parking lights on :wink:

[meepers]

it really is quite a retarded setup on the subie. the reason for the switch on the top of the column, is so that you can have your park lights on with the ignition off. the way the car is setup now, the normal operation of ALL lighting in the car turns off with the ignition. Instead of Subaru making the switch dual purpose like MOST cars, where once you turn the ignition off, you can turn the headlamps back on just by rotating the switch. I guess they think that us Americans are all brain dead and will either forget to turn off our lights, our couldnt figure out how to run them in a less complicated fashion. But hey, I think its part of the cars personality, having standard functions operate completely different then every other car on the road.


As far as someone saying its illegal to run with their parking lights on...... seriously... you may want to go back to drivers ed.

[02_Legacy]

As far as someone saying its illegal to run with their parking lights on...... seriously... you may want to go back to drivers ed.

I couldn't find the info on the DOT website, but according to: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-parking-lights.htm they say

In most US states, however, it is illegal to drive with just your parking lights on whether in the day or night. Perhaps you should be more sure of what you are talking about before you make statements like the above. And also maybe we should stay on topic, as in no more about parking lights, just stick to fog lights.

[13fido13]

Check out this link. (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/foglight-drl-mod-make-your-fogs-work-drls-42877.html)


I've done this to mine, although I needed to run two wires from the engine bay to the relay's inside. Give me a few days and I'll check out my wiring again to tell you which wires need to go where. I used the one relay version.

My fogs come on when the key is in the on position. They still function normally when the High beams are on.

[02_Legacy]

^^ what year is your legacy?

[13fido13]

Mine is the 01 Legacy GT.

I'll get the information together tomorrow. The wiring colours are different for our years then for the 05s... The relay is also outside under the hood for the fog lamps.

[13fido13]

Ok. Here we go. This mod works on the 2001 Legacy GT. It makes the fog lamps illuminate when the key is in the on position.

You will need to perform the DRL delete (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/drl-disable-10-minutes-2117.html) before you perform this mod.

If my instructions are confusing you may find the directions here (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/foglight-drl-mod-make-your-fogs-work-drls-42877.html) useful. (For the 4th Gen legacy though so the wiring colours are different. This is the instruction booklet that I used to make it work.)

Wiring diagrams are at the end.

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Key on, lights off:

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Key on, clearance lights on:

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Key on, lights on, fog lights off:

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Key on, lights on, fog lights on:

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Key on, lights on, fog light switch on, high beams on:

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Required tools:

1. Philips screwdriver
2. Small flat head screwdriver
3. 10mm wrench/ratchet
4. Wire strippers
5. Wire crimpers
6. Side cutters

Required supplies:

1. 15ft of 14ga wire. (Very high guess, you shouldn't need that much.)
2. Wire connectors of your choosing
3. 1 - 1N4005 diode (1N4001 to 1N4007 will work as well. The 400x is the voltage that it can resist where the x is the voltage.)

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1. Make sure your car isn't going to roll away, take the key out of the ignition.
2. Pop the hood, locate your fuse panel under the hood.

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3. Open the fuse panel and remove the three highlighted bolts.

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4. On the side of the relay holder there are two clips that hold the relays into the panel. There is one on each side. Use the small screwdriver to push the clips towards the outside of the panel. Push the relays down out of the panel.

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5. Find the fog lamp relay. Find the RedYellow (RY) wire and the BlackWhite (BW) wire. Cut the RY wire with plenty of wire to spare coming out of the relay. You will continue the wire coming out of the relay and will run into the cab under the steering wheel. Cut the BW wire and splice in a wire that will run into the cab under the steering wheel.

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6. Run the wires to the inside of the cab. Make sure you know which one is which.
7. Inside the cab remove the screws that hold the lower dash in place. There are two grey tabs (1/4 turn to remove, pop them out.) One screw in the bottom by the shifter.

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8. Pop the lower dash off.
9. Remove the two 10mm bolts that hold the metal bracket in place.

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10. The lower relay panel has three clips that hold it in place. Use the small screwdriver to pop them out.

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11. They look like this when you get them out.

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12. The green relay is the DRL relay that we are concerned with. In the back of the relay, locate three wires. GreenRed (GR), bLueYellow (LY), and Black (B).

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13. Locate the wires from the engine compartment. Connect the wire from the RY to the GR.
14. Install a diode on the BW wire with the line pointing towards the relay. Connect the BW wire to terminal 30 on the relay.
15. Splice another wire into the GR wire and run it to terminal 86 on the relay.
16. Splice a wire into the B wire and run it to terminal 87a on the relay.
17. Splice a wire into the LY wire and run it to terminal 85 on the relay.

***NOTE*** Terminal 87 is not used.

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DONE! Test the fog lamps with the key in the on position with the various light positions.

Put everything back together inside the cab and enjoy.

[13fido13]

Has anyone tried this?

I've also installed a switch for the relay's main power source so that I can turn the fog lights off when the ignition is started. That way there are no power surges on startup, and you can turn them off if you don't want to run them during the day.

[01LGT]

F.Y.I. :smt006

This was the easiest write-up for doing exactly what your looking to do...

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3188 (http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=3188)

... looks like the pic's have been removed, but the write-up is still easier to follow than anything I have seen yet!

:smt023

p.s. I have this done on my 01' Legacy GT

[Kiwi GT]

it really is quite a retarded setup on the subie. the reason for the switch on the top of the column, is so that you can have your park lights on with the ignition off. the way the car is setup now, the normal operation of ALL lighting in the car turns off with the ignition. Instead of Subaru making the switch dual purpose like MOST cars, where once you turn the ignition off, you can turn the headlamps back on just by rotating the switch. I guess they think that us Americans are all brain dead and will either forget to turn off our lights, our couldnt figure out how to run them in a less complicated fashion. But hey, I think its part of the cars personality, having standard functions operate completely different then every other car on the road.


As far as someone saying its illegal to run with their parking lights on...... seriously... you may want to go back to drivers ed.

The headlamp switch at the first click switches on the corner markers (parking lamps) AND the rear rego plate lamps.
The switch on top of the steering column only switches the corner markers, the rego plate lamps stay off.

Some JDM cars have the lights set up so that switching the fog lamp switch on also switches on the corner markers and rego plate lamps.
Others will need the headlight switch turned to the first position for power to the fog lamp switch, so again, the corner markers and rego plate lamps are on.
Either way, the corner markers and rego plate lamps will be on if the fogs are on.

[98outbackpdx]

i should clarify, with the pickups with fogs that i have seen is the parking lights and fogs are on, when you turn on your fog lights. the last generation of dodge ram HD pickups with the fogs on worked just as good as my legacys low beams. they are pretty damn bright especially the ones that are lifted and have both fogs and headlights on.