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adamsaiyad
09-10-2010, 03:49 PM
Hello members.
I am from a small country called zimbabwe in africa.
this is the second subaru legacy that i have owned.
These are some of the best cars i have come across, sadly the first legacy i owned was a 2000 model and a b4 also twin turbo.
keeping in mind the first legacy was in worse condition and less powerfull then this 2002 model i have purchased.
The problem i am having is massive detonation.
Im not sure how adaptive the ecu is to poor fuel and i would like to ask what would happen if i was to run a poor grade fuel like 92 octane fuel would it cause the type of detonation im experiencing.
The car drives well and has 124 000kms on it.
I have tried the following.
Replaced fuel filter.
Changed plug gap from 1mm to 0.65mm on all plugs
Serviced and replaced oil with castrol edge 10w-60 cause temps here are quite high average 28 degrees celcius.
Now i have tried adding toluene as a octane booster at a 30% concentration to up the octane an average of 4 points to 95 octane +-
this hasnt helped.
The car is otherwise stock and has heat range 7 plugs factory spec.
exhaust is standard with catalytic convertors still in place.

Ive changed fuel pump as well and tested still have the detonation.
it comes when accelerating at about 3000rpm and can be heard as marbles in a can type noise.

Funny thing is when i drive at a constant 120km/hr and then pull into a suburb and drive around the detonation goes away until heat soak takes place again and bang the det is bang again crackling away.
Eating away at a perfect engine isnt what i want and i would like some advice.

Should i up the fuel pressure to try and curb it ?? of course this would mean running slightly rich ?

Should i get a aftermarket ecu and re map?

Should i get a Afr controller and just map fuel or should i worry about retarding timing as well?

Is there anything else i should be looking at changing or cleaning ?

I have also cleaned out the maf sensor as well with some carb cleaner safe for air flow meters ?

Should i place a bigger hood scoop to try lower intake temps ?

Should i fit a racing air filter as my last car had this and performed ok with out problems of det?

keeping in mind that i dont have access to a dyno here and mapping would have to be on a trial error basis by myself if i was to fit a greddy emanage ?

The fuel we get here sadly inst great and i have the car and dont want to sell it .

I have also owned two wrxs as well and they havent ever had det?

Should i replace the knock sensor ?
or replace the Oxygen sensor as well ?

should this car be adapative to bad fuel ?

What other mechanical methods should i be chasing to try and lower detonation im really stuck ?
driving her like miss daisy to try and not break the engine ?

On a side note the exhaust valve at the rear silencer was stuck and the cable snapped that opens and closes the arm for the rear flap so ive bolted it open in the hope that back pressure was causing the egt's to rise ?

Do these cars have a egt recirc valve that i need to check and if so where is it located?

Hope to hear from you all soon desperate to try and solve this ?

Cheers
adam
Africa Zimbabwe

adamsaiyad
09-10-2010, 04:00 PM
Ps another question.

Is there a difference in compression ratios between the legacy b4 rsk that came out in 1999, 2000 , and 2002?
From what i can see subaru increased the compression ratio from 8:1 to 9:1 ?
is this true and if so would this mean that detonation is more likely on a newer model ?

Cheers
adam

TGX4776
09-10-2010, 04:06 PM
Whats the highest octane you can run?

I feel for you with the bad fuel though. I lived in Togo for a few years and it sucked but we always bough the highest octane gas and hoped it was decent enough.

maybe use some sea foam or the equivalent if you can get it out there?

adamsaiyad
09-10-2010, 04:19 PM
Please excuse the noob question i wanted to ask about this sea foam stuff that i have read about what is it and what can it do for my car how does it work ?
having low octane fuel sucks big time...
i also own a broken Gtr34 vspec II nur and i think the fuel might be causing my failures too ?

Hope to hear from you guys please any advise would be appreciated .
Thanks for your quick response.

TGX4776
09-10-2010, 04:31 PM
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=965&hilit=seafoam (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=965&hilit=seafoam)

I don't know if it would help but but it wouldn't hurt it.

adamsaiyad
09-11-2010, 03:00 AM
Any one else have any ideas on what else i could look into does any one else have a car like this ?
If so do they have problems with detonation or have had in the past ?
Its really weird though other legacys dont have problems like this or maybe they are a different compression ratio.
But then again i dont really have anything to compare against so it makes it hard to tell i have other manual older legacys that i can compare with but none as new as my legacy.

Telemekas
09-12-2010, 02:35 AM
The cars are designed for 100 RON (Japan) and anything less will cause problems.
In Australia the Liberty/Legacy BE5 Rev D was released with modified ECU Rom to cope with our top 98 RON fuel.
However still some had issues with ping/detonation.
Does your car have oil catch can fitted? If not get one fitted then clean out (crank vent oil vapour condensation) the intake system incuding the IC
Then use the Seafoam/Subaru or other upper engine cleaner.
Fit a CAI .
Check to see if your ECU is a Denso? (reflashable)
Contact Westminister at http://www.xtremeracingtuning.com/
He does remote twin turbo tuning.
He is located in Barbados

west_minist
02-19-2013, 06:49 PM
Since you model cannot be tuned by ecuflash because its pre2001, I would recommend the following additive:

NF Race Octane Booster - http://www.nitrous.co.za/products.octanebooster.php
NF Ultra Unleaded Race Fuel Concentrate - http://www.nitrous.co.za/products.ultra.php

You have the option to use the other coloured bottles to test, but we strictly use the black bottle or the Can here in Barbados.

I hope the information be helpful to you and others.

The legacies, especially the B4 pings like mad. You rarely find one that works well and not have to change bearings after a number of years if driven with care.

I like what you use for the oil and maintenance.

The idea of the catch can is great and prevents ping due to oil vapours when driven hard and as the oil gets old.

I truly believe the design of the legacy head sucks and needs working. On another note the ignitions maps are high and needs to be reduce in tuning. Otherwise, I would recommend a water Injection system. That should cure your issues since this model is not support by opensource tuning.

Cervantes
02-20-2013, 04:05 PM
If you can't use higher grade fuel, or get it remapped, it going to keep doing that until it finally goes kaput. You're going to have to drive it slow and carefully all the time. Cheap fuel causes more issues than just detonation, so this is probably just the beginning of more problems.