MrChef's MY04 Legacy

[MrChefNz]

So had the Legacy for a few months now and I'm loving it. Quick car for what they are and a bit of a sleeper. Love the torque they produce too.

I'll attach a few pictures of the sound install that is in it. Spent a fair whack on them. All quality German Hand-made parts called Rainbow Audio.

Thanks for the pointers when I was buying. Appreciate it heaps.

Cheers

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[Airgne]

hmm 4th gen wagon

[MrChefNz]

Thanks Autoglymm and Meguiars for the spotless shine too.

Few more piccies.

[Airgne]

need to upgrade those brakes.

[Yamazaki]

The car looks quite nice.

[MrChefNz]

need to upgrade those brakes.

Suggestions are welcome.

But they stop pretty well as it is.

[Airgne]

FHI 4/2pots upgrade.

[rougeben83]

FHI 4/2pots upgrade.

That's just going to be a downgrade, in fact it would be reducing the diamter size of the front rotor by almost 20mm and the thickness by 5mm. Remember that BL/BP have almost the same size rotor as Brembos.

[MrChefNz]

What kind of stuff can I do to it that will get a few HP here and there?

I've thrown around taking out the Cats. I have a mate who can sort that out for me. But I do have a mechanical warranty on it for another year or so and I don't want to do anything major to void it.

Any suggestions welcome.

[jospgut]

get a CBE, intake, access port and your good to go(stage 2).
Or get an up pipe and down pipe...

[Airgne]

FHI 4/2pots upgrade.

That's just going to be a downgrade, in fact it would be reducing the diamter size of the front rotor by almost 20mm and the thickness by 5mm. Remember that BL/BP have almost the same size rotor as Brembos.


really I did not know this.

I would still think more clamping force with the 4/2pots vs. the stock brakes would be an upgrade.

[Yamazaki]

I would still think more clamping force with the 4/2pots vs. the stock brakes would be an upgrade.
That's what I would think too. I thought rotors dealt more with brake fade and calipers/pads were actual stopping ability. So I would think a 4/2 setup would be an upgrade for MrChef, since I doubt he races his car (and therefore fade isn't as important).

Disclaimer: This is all from a layman's view.

[mike-tracy]

^^Nope, according to Legacy777's brakemath file, going from his brakes to 4/2 Pots would result in 12.93% less clamping force for the front, and no change for the rears. Really the only thing better than what he has is the Brembos.

[Airgne]

^^Nope, according to Legacy777's brakemath file, going from his brakes to 4/2 Pots would result in 12.93% less clamping force for the front, and no change for the rears. Really the only thing better than what he has is the Brembos.


sometimes he is not right, but i dont want to fight with him over it.

to me more clamp force will be better even if you lose some rotor mm.

i think this because you only have 2 vs 4 pistons putting the pressure on the pad, and intail the rotor.

enough. back onto topic. we can go to the brake section if need be for the rest of the discussion.

[rougeben83]

objective stopping performance of brakes takes into account the size of the rotor, the pad compound, and the swept area of the brake pad itself (how much pad contacts the rotor). The stock BL/BP pads are about 30-40% larger area than a 4pot pad (I've compared the two myself, I can provide pictures if people want), this along with the bigger rotor (which enables a lot more torque to be applied by the caliper on the spinning hub, think leverage), with an aggressive pad compound is why a lot of wrx guys that regularly track their cars will pick this over any 4 pot anyday. It has the best bang for your buck in terms of front brakes that you can buy for a subaru.

And I've upgraded from a dual piston to a solid 4 piston caliper, honestly the pedal feel that people praise these calipers for is not as much as when I upgraded SS lines. The pad knockback is another common issue with the solid caliper design (search on NASIOC on what that is), but you rarely will ever encounter it on the street.

The real advantage of a multi-piston caliper is even pressure on the brake pads. That's it. You want to stop better, you increase the pad sweep area, that means a wider/longer pad, which means more pistons are needed to evenly press it into the rotor when you step on the brake pedal.

Of course, if you want the look of the 4 pot caliper, then of course fuddy looking iron cast 2 piston calipers won't compare. The other issue is wheel fitment, you can fit as small as a 15" wheel over a 4 pot setup, the stock LGT brakes can only do 17" because of the sheer size of the calipers, so you have a wider range of wheel choices.

Again, I'm just pointing out that you'll objectively loose some brake performance if you do it. I'm not deciding for you if you should do it...I know more than a few STI guys that have sold their brembo brakes so they can use 4pots/2pots, mostly because no one makes a 17" gravel tire for rally, or 17" winter tires much more expensive than 15" ones (and less sidewall protection).

[httrdd]

Sick wagon bro!

[MrChefNz]

Certainly gonna look at a bigger anti roll bar and front strut brace and some other things to help with the handling.

Brakes atm seem to be fine. I need to do alot of reading and a bit of saving as I want to upgrade the car and buy new Japanese Chef kinfes :P

Ahh the wonderful world we live in.