Who want to know about the new sexy diesel legacy?

[Mx4Life]

Check out what I found, If some one on the sli has already found this then I apologize for using forum space. I think it's awesome!


http://www.enginetechnologyinternationa ... s/Fuji.pdf (http://www.enginetechnologyinternational.com/downloads/Fuji.pdf)

http://www.boxerdiesel.com/engineering/en/index.html
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[ouch1011]

That is an interesting read. Diesel technology has made huge strides in the past 20 years, even the past 10 years.

I think we are still a long ways off from seeing widespread compact diesels in the US though.

[Huffer]

Yep, this was posted a few months ago when the diesel legacy was announced in Europe.

[ryanmiller]

i am not buying a new subaru untill subaru of america wises up and sends us the diesel outback. unfortunately, that means that my next car will end up being a volkswagen of a 3/4 ton pickup since these are the only diesels in america.

[Huffer]

Buying a VW is a silly idea, just to get into a diesel.

[ryanmiller]

diesels are better built engines. they have longer service intervals. you can increase the power, and not loose any gas mileage. i know how to make biodiesel. it could be very cheap to drive. look at my other posts about the trouble my subaru is giving me. can you tell me i'd have more troubles with a volkswagen? its not my fault subaru is going to be too stupid to send the diesel over to america. i cant think of anyone who wouldnt want thier subaru to get around 50mpg's.

[Huffer]

so you think just because it's a diesel it'll be more reliable? :lol:

[ryanmiller]

diesels are proven to be more reliable. a diesel engine isnt broken in untill around 100k. because of the high compression, they have to be built stronger, which means less things will break. looking at the track record of subarus 2.5, yeah, i'd say that diesels are more reliable. look at this site, how many people have had to put a 2.2 in their car? it is pretty sad when you have to put a smaller, less powerful, older engine in a car just so you dont have to worry about blowing another head gasket. my friends '96 jetta tdi has nearly 400,000 miles on it and hasnt needed any engine repairs. the body on it isnt that great anymore, but who gives a fuck? it still gets 46 mpg, and goes better that an outback with a 2.2. some people just dont see the beauty in the diesel engine. its the same reason that semitrucks dont use gas engines, dip shit.

[-J.M.G.-]

Very intresting!!

[Huffer]

diesels are proven to be more reliable. a diesel engine isnt broken in untill around 100k. because of the high compression, they have to be built stronger, which means less things will break. looking at the track record of subarus 2.5, yeah, i'd say that diesels are more reliable. look at this site, how many people have had to put a 2.2 in their car? it is pretty sad when you have to put a smaller, less powerful, older engine in a car just so you dont have to worry about blowing another head gasket. my friends '96 jetta tdi has nearly 400,000 miles on it and hasnt needed any engine repairs. the body on it isnt that great anymore, but who gives a fuck? it still gets 46 mpg, and goes better that an outback with a 2.2. some people just dont see the beauty in the diesel engine. its the same reason that semitrucks dont use gas engines, dip shit.

If that was an insult against me, then you just earned a ban, not because I'm a moderator but because it's the rules. Also, your language could do with some cleaning up.

By the way, if you're so hot for VWs, why do you drive a Subaru?

[ryanmiller]

you clearly know nothing of diesel engines. you missed the part where i said that i am not buying another subaru untill they send thier diesel to america. or i guess i could just move to europe to get one. and, i'm not hot for vw's, i'd rather have a truck with the 6.6l duramax engine which could very easily make 800hp and still get good mpgs for a truck. i am stuck dealing with my pos outback, that is becoming a huge money pit.

[TGX4776]

lol your clearly not reading what huffer says. also Just because it is a diesel doesn't mean it will be more reliable then a gas engine. I have friends who constantly have problems with their diesels and I have friends who are at 250k on a gas engine and haven't had problems with their engine. this is on a car they bought new.

Maybe what you really want is a Honda.

[Huffer]

Oh no, you said Honda!!! :lol:

[anothernord]

diesels are proven to be more reliable. a diesel engine isnt broken in untill around 100k. because of the high compression, they have to be built stronger, which means less things will break. looking at the track record of subarus 2.5, yeah, i'd say that diesels are more reliable. look at this site, how many people have had to put a 2.2 in their car? it is pretty sad when you have to put a smaller, less powerful, older engine in a car just so you dont have to worry about blowing another head gasket. my friends '96 jetta tdi has nearly 400,000 miles on it and hasnt needed any engine repairs. the body on it isnt that great anymore, but who gives a fuck? it still gets 46 mpg, and goes better that an outback with a 2.2. some people just dont see the beauty in the diesel engine. its the same reason that semitrucks dont use gas engines, dip shit.


I love these kind of people.

And you don't insult Huffer. He's one of the most respected people here.


BTW, when you say the "track record of the 2.5", you are referring to the Phase I DOHC 2.5, which was found in only a handful of cars. Since 1999, the 2.5L remains one of the most reliable motors around.


I still agree that diesel engines are fundamentally better than gasoline engines.

[subie/legacy]

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[ryanmiller]

it's all a matter of opinion. i still do think that diesels are better that gas engines. i am experiencing a lot of frustration with my current subaru. sorry to take it out on you, huffer. i still would love to see the diesel subaru here in the states. you really can't argue with up to 50 mpg highway. while they may not have much horsepower, i would love to have that 250lbft of tourqe. has anyone seen the mileage challenge(featuring a vw polo diesel, subaru legacy estate diesel, and a jaguar xj with a 3l twin turbo diesel) on top gear?

[98outbackpdx]

what i have found is you and get a crap car from new, every manufacturer has them, that being said you take care of the "crap car" do the maintainence on it you can possibly get it to last. you can break a new car by doing nothing or you can get 2-300k out of a car with maintence and fixing things when they break.

[Huffer]

it's all a matter of opinion. i still do think that diesels are better that gas engines. i am experiencing a lot of frustration with my current subaru. sorry to take it out on you, huffer. i still would love to see the diesel subaru here in the states. you really can't argue with up to 50 mpg highway. while they may not have much horsepower, i would love to have that 250lbft of tourqe. has anyone seen the mileage challenge(featuring a vw polo diesel, subaru legacy estate diesel, and a jaguar xj with a 3l twin turbo diesel) on top gear?

Apology accepted, if you're having trouble with your car that's one thing, but don't spout your opinion as fact (see your post above). You WILL get called out on it at some point. Sometimes it's better to just say what you think instead of passing it out as fact. Take it from an old(er) guy who has gotten called out more times that I'd like to admit! ;)

It would be great to see SOA pull finger and bring the better models to the USA, but they are unfortunately stuck somewhere in Hydundai-Kia land, not cheap enough to sell tons of units and not cool enough (a la Audi) to be more desirable. Bringing a proper diesel in would help them compete with VW though. Give me torque over HP any day.

I did catch the "slowest race" on Top Gear, that was hilarious!

[StatGSR]

FWIW,

a VW will kill you eventually.... its only a matter of time before the electronics start on fire and burn the whole car to the ground.....

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btw, i have a duramax. and i can tell you, the maintenance is expensive as balls when compared to a gas drinker. my DIY oil changes are still $70 bux....

[TheAngryPidgeon]

I drive a 2010 VW GTI and work at a Subaru dealership. I would give anything to get back to the AWD of my 98 Legacy 2.5 GT, no joke.

I've had my GTI for 13k miles, and have had to take it in for 3 recalls already. I was seriously considering dropping 3 grand out of pocket amd pick up an extra hundred dollars a month in payment to get me out of my lease and into a Subaru. (Granted, I started my lease in January, I still almost pulled the trigger).

Via those in the know at the Subaru dealership, Subaru is waiting until diesel commands a stronger market share before bringing a diesel run model to the US. Similar to their lack of a Hybrid vehicle, Subaru's mere mid 2% share of the US auto market deters them from introducing vehicle with a drivetrain that commands less than 10% (and probably closer to 5%) of the current market.

When Subaru does bring over its first Diesel, it will be in a Forester, as the Outbacks already have the CVT and get good enough mileage to stand their ground in the current market. The Forester's 26 MPG Highway (27 with the DOHC 2011's) has more room for improvement.

Last point: had those people who put 2.2s in their car to avoid the head gasket issue dropped the extra couple bucks on the redesigned reinforced head gaskets that are readily available, there would have been no need to switch to the 2.2. Seems like poor research on their part, or a gross overstatement on yours. Happened to my 98, and I the proper quality parts were readily available.