Baddog's 96 Legacy Hybrid - Frankenmotor Rebuild Again 6/13

[Baddog]

I have owned this car for almost a year and a half now. Just recently within the past 5-6 months I have learned a lot and it gave me a direction to go. Lets start off by saying I love this car but at the same time I hate it. It’s a love hate thing. Think it’s that way with all cars.
I bought it FULLY stock 143k on the clock and a Reconstructed title it was hit in the back end just a little bit got most of it straightened out now. Got it for $1900.
It has been an experiment. I have done things and then changed them to something else. So some things may not look the same later. Any questions just ask.

Mod List:
04-06 STI Front High Caster control arms (Perrin Steering Response kit with Whiteline lower inner front bushings)
2.5/2.2 Hybrid W/ Delta Cams
Paranoid Fabrications Grounding Mod
Group N Motor Mounts
Group N Pitch Stop
MSD Ignition Coil
Hybrid Ebay Intake W/ K&N High Flow Filter
2.25” Catback with Vibrant Flow 1145 Muffler
Fortune Auto 500 Coilovers 10k/8k
Hella Horns
Outback Bumper
Hella 500 Fog Lights
RFRB Grille
5K HID’s
Suede Door Cards
02-03 WRX Seats
Blue Gauge Cluster and HVAC LED’s
17x7 MB Weapon +48 Rims W/ 225/45/17 Kuhmo Ecsta 4x's
04 WRX Calipers (F&R) With H6 Rear Caliper Brackets to fit the 11.4” Rotor
GT Hood
22-25 Adj. Rallitek RSB
Tribeca Front Sway Bar
Single Port UEL header
Tsudo "Catless Track Pipe"
JDM Projectors
5 Speed swap: ACT Streetlite flywheel, Exedy 2.5 KSB04 Clutch, Cobb front and rear stay bushings, new shifter joint, Ralco RZ short throw and best of all an OBX Helical Front LSD.

Future Mods:

GrimmSpeed Phenolic 8mm spacers
LCA Bushings
Solid Endlinks
JDM Tail Lights




Knowing me I forgot something

Now onto the pictures. Going to try to do them in order.

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[Reason]

Cool you are better off looking dual exhaust port heads before a single port header. Good luck

[Baddog]

I have the option to buy some DOHC heads. Just not really sure how to swap them over. Things like that.

[Reason]

Don't do it, if your car has slid which it does stick with sohc heads. No wiring needed just a head swap.

[StatGSR]

yea, sadly the DOHCs don't really up any doors that particularly useful. i would move a couch in front of said door actually...

[Baddog]

Don't do it, if your car has slid which it does stick with sohc heads. No wiring needed just a head swap.

So I need to find SOHC Dual Ports?
What years had those?

Sorry I am COMPLETELY clueless about this part of the motor.

1995

[StatGSR]

^ 90-95 legacys and similar yeared imprezas will have dual port SOHC 2.2 heads.

obviously swaping heads is quite a bit of extra work and possibly more money, just to get a header and sound that you want, that's why i would recommend finding a good exhaust shop and see what kind of quote they will give you to build one. Many people have made them before.

[JunkerXL]

95 = awesome! thats what my brighton is :smt005

i <3 teh brightonz

good looking ride btw, i got much wagon love but i dig clean sedans too :smt023




:smt020

[StatGSR]

btw, you may want to follow this....

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f5/t146514-m ... eturn.html (http://www.rs25.com/forums/f5/t146514-ms3-single-port-headers-return.html)

seller had made a previous run with success.....
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f14/t107933- ... stock.html (http://www.rs25.com/forums/f14/t107933-uel-single-port-headers-stock.html)

[Baddog]

btw, you may want to follow this....

http://www.rs25.com/forums/f5/t146514-m ... eturn.html (http://www.rs25.com/forums/f5/t146514-ms3-single-port-headers-return.html)

You are a life saver. I am going to keep an eye on that!

Also I have called 3 exhaust shops local to me. One including Rallitek who said they cannot make me single ports.

An exhaust shop quoted me 1200 for headers....Not really sure wtf they were thinking

And another exhaust shop named "darrels mufflers" said they can't do them either.

[Navi271]

Dang! everyone is getting winter green metallic subarus!! I swear this is the 3rd winter green metallic car I've commented on recently.
I like what you've done with it so far, so keep it up!

[Baddog]

Dang! everyone is getting winter green metallic subarus!! I swear this is the 3rd winter green metallic car I've commented on recently.
I like what you've done with it so far, so keep it up!

Thank you. Takes time and money to continue what I want from it. Slow process.

[Baddog]

2.25" Catback with a Vibrant 1145 Muffler. Stock cats, Stock single port headers. Video at bottom of first post.

[Baddog]

Updated. Redid my Members Ride.

GT Hood will be picked up Monday
Wrapped Arm Rest in same Suede as door cards.

[Baddog]

GT Hood today. Going to flat black it till I get the money for the paint to color match it (hopefully close) to the car. Also need to line up the hood a little bit and fix the bumper

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/IMG00010201105161141-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/IMG00015201105161507-1.jpg

[rocketlegacy]

nice i like GT hoods :smt023 . any pics of the suede?

[Baddog]

nice i like GT hoods :smt023 . any pics of the suede?

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/11/interior-1.jpg

I did a fold but really should have sewed it or somethin like that. I will do it again at another time.

[rocketlegacy]

nice i like GT hoods :smt023 . any pics of the suede?

I did a fold but really should have sewed it or somethin like that. I will do it again at another time.
how did you attach it? because if you used spray glue i think you can pull and stretch the suede to fit without folding. here is what i mean. this guy did it on his pillars, which the geometry is far more complicated. http://www.iwsti.com/forums/how-install ... llars.html (http://www.iwsti.com/forums/how-install/191071-wrap-trim-panels-suede-b-c-pillars.html)

[Baddog]

Yeah I used spray glue. I may give that a shot then. This stuff was like 13 a yard.

[Baddog]

Received my SS Brake Lines from Reason today.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/06/Lines-1.jpg

[Baddog]

I just ordered my Single Port UEL headers today. Be a few weeks before I receive them. Next up is paint for the hood and bumper.

[still_alive]

Did you ever get those headers? If so can you post some pics up of them installed? :smt023

[Baddog]

Still waiting for the guy on RS25.com to make them. There will only be 20 made unless you make your own. PM me if you want more details. They are not cheap.

[still_alive]

Yea I saw Supers was making them again, seems like they've been along time coming. I'm in the process of making my own, I'm taking pictures in hopes of making a DIY for single ports on here. Everything is going together good so far. Maybe it will inspire people a little more to try their hand at fabbing up some :wink:

[Baddog]

Yeah I would if I could. I just dont have the parts. And these headers will sell for more then I paid for them, if not around the same. I see it as an investment as well.

[Baddog]

Installed my Rallitek 22-25 adj RSB.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/08/IMG00169201108191319-1.jpg

I had chuck do a photoshop. The color matching isn't perfect but this is the look I am going for.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/08/baddoglipvisor-1.jpg

[anothernord]

Did you have to pound away the tire well to get the bar to fit?

[Baddog]

The bar was made for the Legacy. They stopped making them again.

I got one of the last 4 they had. It came with "solid" endlinks. I don't know if I can call them solid but they are made out of metal and not rubber/plastic.

Too bad my car wasn't up more. Right at my rear left quarter panel is Doug Vincents house.

[rocketlegacy]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/08/baddoglipvisor-1.jpg
i like the grill choice. now you just need a 2.5... :grin:

[geckoboy86]

That photoshop looks nice!

[rocketlegacy]

coming along

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

[Baddog]

Yeah I don't update my thread much here.

Got a Tribeca FSB and Supers UEL Single Port headers on now.

[whitelegacy23]

Damn! Nice leggy! I live just over in OC, I would love to see it some time!

[Baddog]

Damn! Nice leggy! I live just over in OC, I would love to see it some time!

I was just looking at your post on the SL-I facebook. Haha

Yeah the car is a huge work in progress and I have put more money into it then I should have.

[rocketlegacy]

I have put more money into it then I should have.
:smt023

[rocketlegacy]

jason you should get some rims like this


https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/11/IMG00235201111082105-1.jpg

[BG5guy]

hahahahaha

[Baddog]

So might as well do an update

Got some MB Weapons in Gunmetal 17x7 wrapped in Kuhmo Escta 4x's with a 225/45/17.
Wrapped my UEL headers. Which got rid of my CEL that I was getting for cat efficency.

Got an exhaust leak fixed. Just doing maintaince to get it caught up.

[Baddog]

GT Hood Painted color code 444 wintergreen metallic!

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[rocketlegacy]

SICK!!! love your car.

[Baddog]

It will be put on the car this evening with pics to follow.. Also have a High flow cat pipe section that Supers from RS25 made installed.

Will get a sound clip of that later.

[Baddog]

Need to blend the fenders and get a bumper in better shape to have that painted.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/12/IMG00256201112171939-2.jpg

[Baddog]

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[Baddog]

05-07 Tannabe GF210's ordered.
JDM Projectors Ordered.
RFRB grille ordered.

[Kansei]

man.... i know what my old leggy would have looked like now... i like it!

i miss that paint code.... very rare.

[Baddog]

Ran into a problem.

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5941&p=280198#p280198 (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5941&p=280198#p280198)

[nikolaus.conrad]

Looks great!! That's probably my favorite colour for this generation of Legacy.

[Baddog]

Took a few pictures with my Galaxy S2

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[Navi271]

I assume you got those lowering springs on because that's looking nice!

Another cool thing I think is true is there was never a scooped hood in that color from factory!

[Baddog]

I assume you got those lowering springs on because that's looking nice!

Another cool thing I think is true is there was never a scooped hood in that color from factory!

Yep, love the way they handle and are not too rough for daily driving with the sti struts.

And correct the hood never came in that color. Don't think many people seem to know that. My car isn't the same as everyone elses due to certain aspects.

[rocketlegacy]

looking good cant wait to see the new grill on there.

[Navi271]

Yep, love the way they handle and are not too rough for daily driving with the sti struts.

And correct the hood never came in that color. Don't think many people seem to know that. My car isn't the same as everyone elses due to certain aspects.
Yeah, it kinda sucks that not many people can notice those certain aspects, but we on sl-i notice it!

Did you have to roll the rear fenders or anything to fit the aftermarket wheels after you lowered your car?

[Baddog]

I had to roll all the fenders when I had the 04 sti struts and springs. 225/45/17 Tire, 17x7 +48 Rim.

So when I put the springs on I was set to go.

[Baddog]

RFRB grille is installed. Need a close up.

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[Baddog]

Selling my Single Port UEL header.

[96LegacyWagon]

Selling my Single Port UEL header.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a photo of this UEL header?

[Baddog]

Not right now its on the car. Hate to get rid of it but this has become hell to fix. Putting so much into the cat for nothing.

[Baddog]

Blacked out the headlights (for the most part)

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/03/20120327_124154-1.jpg

and took some snow pics at work

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[rocketlegacy]

lookin amazing jason.

[Baddog]

Paranoid fabrications grounding kit installed.

[Baddog]

Momo wheel installed

Does anyone follow this thread? I may just quit updating it.

[Reason]

I do buddy, keep up the good work :smt023

[redlegacygt]

we all follow, just don't post something all the time.. haha car looks good man.

[Baddog]

Grimmspeed Master Cylinder Brace will be picked up from Cobb Tuning Thursday.

Once the weather picks up I will be dying the carpet black. Getting a window tint, 30-35%.

Ordering some interior pieces such a an E-brake boot, Shifter boot (for when the 5 speed gets done) and armrest cover. Those will be ordering from the guy on RS25. Can't recall the name off the top of my head.

[Kansei]

wait... ebrake boot? mine doesnt have a boot.... but then again it doesnt have a button anymore either... hahaha

[Baddog]

Tried to install the MC Brace from Grimmspeed today. And as usual with their parts I run into problems. Will not be buying their pulley anymore, money will go to another company.

One of the hard lines from the brake reservoir is pressed RIGHT up against the strut tower. Which doesnt allow the MC Brace to sit flush like it is supposed to.

I tried to squeeze it behind the line but there is no room what so ever.

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[Baddog]

Got the brace installed today. Had to grind down a small part of it so that it would fit.

Blue is the hardline it was hitting and red is where I took some material off the actual brace.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/04/GrimmspeedBrace-1.jpg

This brace....IS AMAZING. It makes a HUGE difference in pedal feel. You would not believe it. The pedal is now FIRM and not mushy. Best $85 I spent on this car in a long while.

[rocketlegacy]

nice work jason. now where do we get this amazing mod.

[Baddog]

I picked mine up from cobb for $85

[r3v_v3ng3]

Got the brace installed today. Had to grind down a small part of it so that it would fit.

Blue is the hardline it was hitting and red is where I took some material off the actual brace.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/04/GrimmspeedBrace-2.jpg

This brace....IS AMAZING. It makes a HUGE difference in pedal feel. You would not believe it. The pedal is now FIRM and not mushy. Best $85 I spent on this car in a long while.

Ahhh so thats what you did. Your car is the same color as my friends 96 L. Looking good. Howcome you didn't paint your front bumper when you had the hood painted?

[Baddog]

The hood is beat up and I am trying to source a better bumper cover or buy a new one.I dont want to pay a shop a shit pot full of money to REPAIR or sand it down and prep a used bumper

[fkearney39]

looking good jason i love the projectors and the grill combo

[Baddog]

Debating on putting it up for sale.

[Hinyo]

found a lip you like yet? i really like the look with the lip

[Baddog]

I haven't been working on the body. Its becoming a rattling nightmare inside the cabin. So I am trying to fix those.

[Hinyo]

just turn that music up thats what i do =)

[chrish8r]

Any pictures of the grounding kit??? i recently got one for free and have a general idea but nothing solid on where everything goes(wire wise)

[Baddog]

I will see if I can round some up. I used the directions off paranoid fabrications site. The instructions are under the rs25 ground kit page.

Buying all the other parts for the 5 speed swap for 200. Then new Exedy KSB04 clutch and OEM flywheel.

[Baddog]

Deciding on a LW Flywheel. Plan on going with ACT Streetlite. We will see what Shane comes up with.

Also decided to go with an OBX Helical front diff. Replacing the bolts and washers in it like most suggest. Heard pretty good things about them.

Setting it up Monday.

[rocketlegacy]

sickness.. is this after you fix the hit and run?

[Baddog]

Nope. Will be hell to find a door that color.

[Baddog]

Ordered Fortune 500 Coilovers.

Brand new bushings all across the driveline. Couple weeks and this will be a whole nother' beast.

Then 2-3 months a 11.5:1 or 12:1 EJ25/Ej22

[fkearney39]

well if you do ever plan on selling your projectors PM me

[Hinyo]

selling ur old setup than once u get the coilovers?

[Baddog]

Suspension? It is going on the girlfriends car.

[Baddog]

Just need to source a 5MT Vicious Coupler/Center diff and I can get this underway. Let me know if you have one.

[mlitz]

Just went through your build so far and it looks good keep it up! and if you ever need any help let me know.

[Baddog]

Stopping the MR thread here and moving it to another forum

[chrish8r]

Stopping the MR thread here and moving it to another forum

what do you mean??

[SILINC3R]

Love looking at these build threads, making me want a BD more and more. Cant wait to see the bumper painted up like the photoshop. Very aggresive looking.

[Baddog]

Automatic is out. 96 OB 4.11 5 speed going in with a Helical Front LSD tomorrow.

Sorry for the blurry picture took it in a hurry before we closed up the shop

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/20120615_221704-1.jpg

[Baddog]

Swap is complete. OBX Helical front LSD also installed.

For those that follow I also ordered Fortune 500 coils

[mlitz]

This is awesome! cant wait to see it... what shop do you use?

[Baddog]

I use my buddys shop. "Superior Soobie and Import"

And no it's not the same as Superior Import. He does work for around $60 an hour. Sometimes its by the job.

[BG5guy]

awesome job bro, glad you got the swap in finally

[chuckthefuk]

You have come a long way from when you first joined. Respect for putting time and devotion into your legacy.

-Chuck

[Baddog]

Debating on pulling parts off of this one and buying a Legacy in better shape as far as body goes.

[rocketlegacy]

HELL Yes Jason!! you're awesome getting this done.

[Baddog]

Washed her.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/20120715_133434-2.jpg

[redlegacygt]

Looks really good. I was never a fan of that color green. But those wheels really look nice with that color. Overall how was your swap experience?

[Baddog]

Im mechanically inclined and had every tool id ever need at my disposal
. Swap was simple. I made sure i had all the parts i needed though over and over again. That paid off in the end.

[redlegacygt]

Yeah i'd say that would make it pretty simple. Keep up the good work.

[Baddog]

Getting rear subframe lockout bushings this weekend. Going to have a proper alignment done afterwards. Then going to install my amber sidemarkers (since I cannot find clears)

Oh, and a picture of my car from the BNW meet. Thanks to Rally Sport Direct!

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6885/27799210150918500226090.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/27799210150918500226090.jpg/)

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Of course they took a picture of the bad side!

[nikolaus.conrad]

All old Scoobs have some scars. It just gives them character! :smile:

[Baddog]

Was actually from a hit and run. Wish i was able to catch her.

[nikolaus.conrad]

Oh shit dude, I'm sorry about that

[Baddog]

Impossible to find a door in that color. Been searching for almost 3 months. Debating the dipyourcar.com

[nikolaus.conrad]

I know for a fact there are two Legacys in my yard in that color. If you want me to get a door for you just let me know.

[Baddog]

How much? Color look close?

[Baddog]

Color code 444. Has to be a sedan

[Huffer]

Impossible to find a door in that color. Been searching for almost 3 months. Debating the dipyourcar.com

Just get another door, and repaint it to match. A good body shop will be able to match your paint. Even if you find a junkyard donor, that paint won't match because it's aged differently.

[Baddog]

Most shops want around 500 to paint and blend. Little more than id want on a car i paid 1900 for 4 years ago

[nikolaus.conrad]

The doors are from a wagon, why do they need to be from a sedan?

[Baddog]

Different rear fitment i believe

[chrish8r]

According to this post, it says they are the same. I personally do not know for a fact, but I trust what Chuck says:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14826 (http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14826)

And this post says that the glass must be swapped to fit.
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.p ... 80102.html (http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/2nd-gen-estate-and-sedan-doors-samei-180102.html)

Hope these are helpful because I really like the color of this sedan and dont want to see a mismatched door on it. good luck

[nikolaus.conrad]

Weird, I thought the glass was the same?

[Baddog]

Installed Kartboy Rear Subframe Lock out bolts. Back end doesn't seem to wander so much in hard cornering.

I got an alignment last week.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/20120720_112328-2.jpg

Ordering High Caster Aluminum control arms next week then replacing a couple bushings on them. Getting Endlinks. We will see how it goes.

Then I plan on doing the STI steering rack.

Eventually more power by the end of the year. Either an OBD2 SVX (don't want to convert to OBD1) or an EJ25D/1-Ej22 motor.

[Huffer]

Most shops want around 500 to paint and blend. Little more than id want on a car i paid 1900 for 4 years ago

And how much have you put into it so far? ;)

[Baddog]

Most shops want around 500 to paint and blend. Little more than id want on a car i paid 1900 for 4 years ago

And how much have you put into it so far? ;)

I see what you mean. I don't keep track, lol.

However I am one of those people that looks at the cost of something and if I can do something better to increase drive-ability I will. $500 isn't including the cost of the door ~$50ish. Than the door would look the best and out of place. All my doors have dings. My fenders have dings. My trunk is scratched to hell. Bumper needs replaced with one that isn't cracked and painted. Honestly the whole car needs painted. However to pay a shop to do such a thing would be spendy. I also do not have the slightest experience in doing it my self and would need A LOT of body filler.

I was planning on just getting a door of any color and plastidipping the whole car. And then if/when I can afford it or learn to do it my self (properly) I can just peel the plastidip off.

I have come to terms at this point that the car will never be pretty.

[nikolaus.conrad]

I have come to terms at this point that the car will never be pretty.
Most Subarus aren't, but that's what gives them character and separates them from all other brands of cars :smile:

[Baddog]

I have come to terms at this point that the car will never be pretty.
Most Subarus aren't, but that's what gives them character and separates them from all other brands of cars :smile:

But Hondas. Haha

[Huffer]

Then you need a mad crazy band-aid decal. Or a bloody bandage decal.

[chuckthefuk]

noice!!!!!

[Baddog]

Been awhile since an update. Replaced the Radiator with a Koyo OEM replacement.

Got hold of a 96 EJ25 short block which I will be using for my frankenmotor. From what I have heard it puts it pretty high up there in the compression range due to the pistons. Anyone know?

This should be interesting

[Baddog]

Had the block power honed. Got some ACL Race Series Main and Rod bearings.
Pistons Knurled
Crankshaft Polished
Pistons cleaned


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[Reason]

How's it going with this?

[Baddog]

Pretty good. Installed all the bearings. Need to reassemble the short block 100%. Got all new O-Rings for the block halves.

[Reason]

I'm curious to see the difference in power between our motors. I was set to dyno but ran into issues. Details will be posted in my MR thread.

[Baddog]

I will be taking mine to Cobb Tuning Surgeline for the Dyno since it's local to me.

Curious to what issues you ran into

[Baddog]

So I tried to use the 96 2.5 Headbolts today when I put the motor together. Found out the 2.5 headbolts are shorter than the 2.2 head bolts. Have to helicoil 2 threads in the block now.

I've done 4 head gasket jobs before. And this was news to me. Pulled the threads right out of the block.

[Reason]

I should have said something but I assumed you knew all ready. Because the EJ25 bolts sit inside the heads they are shorter. You damaged the threads?

[Baddog]

Honestly I should have known. Thought you ej head bolts were the same. I learned the hard way. I have a helicoil kit for it. So ill be repairing it tonight and getting the heads on.

[mlitz]

At least the holes you pulled the treads on will be stronger...

[Baddog]

Well. The block is toast. Helicoil skipped a thread. It caught onto the bolt during installation. And wouldn't let go. Bolt is now broken inside the block with a helicoil. Stainless steel helicoil and steel bolt? Not coming out. So this is on hold.

Going to find each and everyone frakenmotor thread and make sure to note that 2.5 head bolts do not work with these motor builds.

[Reason]

:-(

[98bk6]

Damn that sucks..

[Baddog]

Friend had another block in the shed. Going to be honed tomorrow.

Back on track by tomorrow night.

[Baddog]

Buddy and I spent all day and night finishing the build. She runs! Engine sounds excellent. However there is a bad lifter in there.

Power is much much better

[98legwag]

Glad you got it together.

[Reason]

Isn't it fun!?

[Baddog]

Alot of fun. Engine sounds great after the mild rebuild. Very good pull.

[Baddog]

Well details.

96 EJ25D Block (with flat top pistons for higher compression than the 97-98 blocks). 92 Dualport 2.2 heads. Delta 220 Cams. And the usual stuff everyone else has. Exhaust. Hybrid intake. Blah blah. Who cares.

Anyways. Car is a lot more fun to drive. Has freeway go power. The sound of the engine is orgasmic and has a GOOD subaru rumble. The 2.2 just doesn't make as good of a sound.

Over all the motor is a very streetable and is just the right amount of power to get your self in trouble while having plenty of fun.

I put ACL Race bearings in it. Rod and Mains. "NPR" piston rings. And the usual machine work. Honing, piston cleaning.

[98bk6]

That's funkin awsome. I wanna hear how it sounds now.

[nikolaus.conrad]

^ I second this statement.

[98legwag]

^3rd. Glad you go it all worked out. What did you do for the ECU/tuning?

[Baddog]

2.5 ecu. Factory tune

[Baddog]

Getting a constant flashing CEL for Misfire in all cylinders. However I do not feel any heistation. Car goes into limp mode.

Sometimes I can hear an audible knocking noise that shows it self when the CEL is flashing. Once it stops flashing the knock noise stops

[Baddog]

Few of us have come to the conclusion that the compression may be to high for the ecu. So i need to find something that will allow me to fix this.

Going to try octane booster to confirm this

[cpundyk]

killer! ha, you just text me.. see u in a few mins.

[Reason]

I have wicked bad rod knock, it started when I accidentally redlined it on the highway merge.

[Baddog]

See my knock is only here and there. Its detonating. Sadly. I don't hear a knock under normal driving or load 99% of the time. A few times at idle and when driving ill hear it for 5 or so seconds and then it will dissapear. Tuners around here told me it's most likely detonation and to try and run acouple gallons of E85 with my next fuel up of Premium

[nikolaus.conrad]

What octane fuel are you using? I would recommend at least 91

[Baddog]

92 octane. Not enough for the 12:1 it seems

[1996Battlewagon]

I hate to say it but I think you're right about your ECU not being able to properly deal. Not only is your compression sky high, your cam profile is slightly more radical. What about a piggy back unit like a Perfect Power? Do you have anything in mind?

[VERM]

Also could be your stock ECU running too advanced timing in some conditions. Maybe look into retarding the base timing slightly

[Baddog]

I'm looking at my options for a cheaper yet functional piggyback. As i dont have many uses for it so no need to spend top dollar.

[r3v_v3ng3]

What about SAFC

[Baddog]

Looking at Megasquirt so I can run it on E85. If it makes it that far.

Did a compression test today at 500 miles. Driver side is 200 on 2 and 4. And passenger side is 150 on 1 and 3.

Doesn't seem right to me. Heads were gone through and re-sealed.

Maybe the rings haven't seated fully yet?

[Baddog]

Sadly not many second gen owners touch their motors I see.

I was recommended a specific plug from NGK. BKR8EIX

Going to od that with new plugs to see if I can stop the Ingintion knock noise

[mlitz]

what are you breaking it in with (oil)?

[Baddog]

Basic conventional 5-30w

[mlitz]

okay you should be fine... jut keep driving it, as long as it is not burning oil you should be fine.
also I am not a huge fan of IX plugs yes hey last longer and the spark might be a little cleaner but I hate the price and if you foul one that's 9$ down the drain. I would just buy stock plugs and gap them down to .030" and call it a day.

[Baddog]

Yeah but I'd need a colder plug too.

[mlitz]

that's fine you can get a colder plug in a non IX

[4doors4hp]

ive read this entire thread, youve done alot of work man. im debating on doing this sort of swap, but want to know your end result. i have phase II ej251 in my car and want to see how yours ends up

[Baddog]

Why does this motor keep going through HLA's? I am just going to put solid lifters in.

[1996Battlewagon]

Why does this motor keep going through HLA's? I am just going to put solid lifters in.

Because it's an older rocker armed Subaru.... :wink:

I'm sure you've read this but just in case: http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18797

How's the car running by the way?

[harrymaneuvers]

Throw some octane booster in there for the meantime... $6 per tank is a lot better than listening to detonation.

[Baddog]

So for now I have put all plans aside on the car. Just tired of working on it and being disappointed in the "gains".

Motor is at around 3k miles and sounds just fine for those who are curious.

But for now I have learned that these cars hit a huge brick wall and at some point become no fun.

Will update with what my plans are to do or my next car.

[Reason]

Hmm thats weird, the difference I felt were night and day. Torque is the big gainer here. Even driving up hills I can pull on people easily. When before the car struggled with hills.

[Baddog]

It's the same for me. However it's not as quick as I was expecting. It doesn't put a smile on my face.

I need more.

[Reason]

We always need/want more lol I'm already gather parts for a turbo build. Not sure or if It will end up happening, but you never know.

[Baddog]

A turbo build is too time consuming as I don't have a second vehicle. Tuning is a huge issue for both a high comp franken and a turbo build.

I used to be into it all until I realized many things. The car is just no longer fun. Feels like I am still driving a 3000lbs+ car.
The community has started to turn around from when I first owned the car.

[1996Battlewagon]

The community has started to turn around from when I first owned the car.

Backwards or forwards?

It sounds like something else is in your future. What are you thinking it will be?

[Baddog]

The community has started to turn around from when I first owned the car.

Backwards or forwards?

It sounds like something else is in your future. What are you thinking it will be?

I should be more clear. The community around my area has turned around. It's all about turbo this, turbo that. Hell all my work has been done by my self. No one else. Have a front LSD which is different (Half the kids don't even know what that is). And a frankenmotor I built that is still running just fine.

No matter the work done. The community in my area doesn't care. So I don't go to meets anymore. I love to talk cars. However it is now so uninviting I want a new community. It's all turbo.

Still deciding. Always loved what a 4g63t could do. So maybe an early Talon/Eclipse AWD. I want AWD or RWD. No FWD for me (unless I could somehow afford a new focus ST).

I have had this car for over 4 years now and I loved it through and through. Just the community has fallen flat and is no longer enjoyable. And I am looking for something with a better power plant. Nothing looks as good as a Legacy to me though. Heh

[Reason]

Same here, if its n/a you dont get much love. That's why I with all you other n/a clowns! Lol

[Baddog]

Looking at 2000-04 Mustang GT's

[98legwag]

Booooooo.

[Reason]

Booooooo.

What he said...

[Baddog]

RWD with power. Had friends with them and loved them. N/A subaru's are a thing of the past to me anymore. I was one of those guys who didn't listen to everyone saying not to spend money on an N/A build. This is where it has brought me.

So for the future for those that are looking at this build. Yes it's a fun little dose of power but there are way too many other 4 bangers out there that will pull harder. One thing I loved after taking it to the drag strip was how quick it hooked up off the line.

Had my fun times but I am so far into it now that I just can't proceed any further just to do a turbo build.

[r3v_v3ng3]

Since you like the 4g63t why not get the galant vr4's? sedan (like the legacy), awd turbo.

I feel you on being left out on meets specially subie ones. Majority of them only know wrx's/sti thats it. No one even know about the older legacy lol but thats what I love about the BD. And yup better have turbo or you be shunned :smt011

With the drivetrain loss its hard to put a smile on your face on a n/a subaru. Turbo is a must to keep up with other cars on the road today.

[Baddog]

VR4 Galants are hard to come by. Would have to be the first gen motor too. 2g were no good with the crankwalk issue.

But yeah the drivetrain loss kills it. Need turbo.

[mlitz]

I know two people that are selling their VR4s one for 6k the other 4.5k (i think). both make around 400 whp. I can get you their numbers if you would like? both live in Vancouver...

[r3v_v3ng3]

Yeah the galant vr4's are pretty rare. It does have the first gen motor since it came before the eclipse's. My brother had 3 galant vr4's at one time (2) of the 92 and (1) 91. He sold the 91 and kept the 92's since they're rarer than the 91.

[Baddog]

So the frankenmotor lasted 6k miles at 12:1 compression.

Motor was idling extremely rough. Compression test showed 240 PSI in cylinders 1,2,3. Sadly cylinder 4 only had 6. Ringland maybe?

[r3v_v3ng3]

Most likely Piston/ring area

[lord flashheart]

So the frankenmotor lasted 6k miles at 12:1 compression.

Motor was idling extremely rough. Compression test showed 240 PSI in cylinders 1,2,3. Sadly cylinder 4 only had 6. Ringland maybe?
that or a burned exhaust valve.

[Baddog]

We shall see this weekend.

[harrymaneuvers]

This scares me for my build.


Was the reason for such high compression the piston/rods that you used?

From everything that I have read, JUST putting the EJ22 heads on the EJ25 block should give you compression around 10.5 : 1 right?

[EJ22D]

Baddog, didn't you use a 96 block for the high compression build? 96 blocks have those crazy looking pistons that I know were the culprit of the detonation events. A 97-99 block might have been a little nicer to you but you went pretty damn far with that 96 block! Was it giving you crap on 93 octane?

[lord flashheart]

My money is still on burned valves.
240psi is pro probably closer to 11.5:1

[Baddog]

Baddog, didn't you use a 96 block for the high compression build? 96 blocks have those crazy looking pistons that I know were the culprit of the detonation events. A 97-99 block might have been a little nicer to you but you went pretty damn far with that 96 block! Was it giving you crap on 93 octane?

Yeah I used a 96 block and pistons. I used 92 octane and it was okay. Didn't have any major detonation issues.

[Baddog]

My money is still on burned valves.
240psi is pro probably closer to 11.5:1

I am starting to agree. Today I drove it to the store (my only transportation at the moment).

Backfires like crazy.

[lord flashheart]

The reason i say its a valve is you dont have any noise. And in order for a ringland to go that low the piston would have to have a big hole in it (which is possible) but that isially breaks the piston and it makes noise.
Then you would also have a ton of blow by.... Like blow the dipstick out..
Since you havent mentioned those symptoms.. Im going to say you have a burned valve. Which isnt terribly uncommon with subarus. It doesnt mean your car is shitty or anything alot of things can cause it. One of the most comon is tune another is valve lash too tight.

[Baddog]

Yeah motor doesn't sound any different. Just sounds like its missing. Which is it. Flashing check engine light the 10 miles I drove it back home to park it.

No slapping noise that I can hear at all or anything of that nature.

[Baddog]

Actually I take that back. Just got back inside. Air coming out of the oil dipstick and smoke coming out of the oil filler.

[EJ22D]

Actually I take that back. Just got back inside. Air coming out of the oil dipstick and smoke coming out of the oil filler.

Blowby.
Seems like it's getting worse the more you drive it.
Do you think the block is still salvageable at this point?

[lord flashheart]

Actually I take that back. Just got back inside. Air coming out of the oil dipstick and smoke coming out of the oil filler.
like i said. some blowby is absolutely normal, but for you to loose 234psi of compression you would blow the dipstick out of the tube.
you would also get alot of smoke from the exhaust.

YOU NEED TO DO A LEAK DOWN TEST TO KNOW FOR SURE.

[Baddog]

I quit driving it afteri found out. Until i have money to fix it.

[Baddog]

I meant 60psi lord. I just noticed that mistake

[Baddog]

One of our new members "Oc7ane" and I.

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[lord flashheart]

A leak down will tell you where the problem is.
Im really interested to see what it is

[Baddog]

Took the motor out tonight. Cylinder walls look fine. Haven't removed the piston yet. Will see tomorrow night when I remove the piston.

But for now nothing looks wrong. Valves open and close and fully seal (rebuilt 10k miles ago). Mostly expecting to see a ringland failure.

[Baddog]

Ringland in #4. Cylinder walls were just fine. Put 97-98 Pistons in and new piston rings. New headgaskets and the likes.

I am running 2 step colder plugs (from the ~12:1 motor?).

Motor runs rough at idle and under load now. Can't quite figure it out. No check engine lights. I pull the plug wire off the coil pack and the motor dies right away. Doesnt even try to run on the other cylinders.

If I pull the wire off the plug side the motor doesn't really run much different in any cylinder that I pull it in.

Bad timing? Bad coil pack? Too cold of plugs?

Running an MSD coilpack.

[Baddog]

Okay. Update as always. Lawl

Replaced the plugs all is well. Except...BLUE SMOKE! woooooooohoooooooo.

Keep it. Or find something else

[nikolaus.conrad]

What kind of plugs are you using?

[Baddog]

Standard NGK. Car will go under the knife one more time. After that it will be hard to keep it.

[DarkPhoenix]

Perserverance and determination are the hallmarks of any owner of a car with mods. Even more so with an N/A Subaru. Keep the faith dude. And if you go for a DSM, let me know. I owned 5 of them, including a 400+ WHP GVR4. Great cars with glass trannies.

[Baddog]

Hoping to get it fixed next month sometime. Sucks driving stock legacys around. Just not fun.

[Baddog]

Got the car running again last night. Bad ring placement or seat. Not sure really. But replaced the piston and threw new rings on it. No longer smokes.

[Baddog]

Don't really update this anymore because...Well I just don't.

But the 25D in my car is quite toast. Cylinder walls are too far gone from the blown ringland and I am blowing smoke again and getting low compression.

Decided it's time to step up to a 251 short block. Got the block for 100 with a bad rod bearing. Going to clean it up and throw ACL race bearings in and new rings. New 10mm oil pump. Sti Oil pan, pick up, and windage tray.

Hopefully this will be the last time I rebuild a motor for this car.

Oh and a recent pic I took.

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[EJ22D]

That 251 is going to be tougher for sure. The 96 blocks are just not cut for that kind of treatment. Are you going to open the ports to those 22E heads a little?

[Baddog]

That 251 is going to be tougher for sure. The 96 blocks are just not cut for that kind of treatment. Are you going to open the ports to those 22E heads a little?

Depending on cost yeah I may have the heads opened up some. Not sure how much benefit there is

[harrymaneuvers]

Copy cat... hahahaha JK.

Good luck.

Mine is up and running except for a phantom oil leak at the rear of the motor but not anywhere on the "back" of the motor like the RMS or oil separator plate.

The high compression with the 1000 cams sure does make the motor noisy though. Maybe that is just the exhaust though. I stripped one of the header studs out of the head when I was re-installing the headers last night so the drivers side is only being held by one stud/nut.

[Reason]

Mine was real noisy, I wrapped the header and its pretty quiet now, considering...

[harrymaneuvers]

Good to know.

[Muse]

Good luck, man. I really like your car.

[Baddog]

This will be the last motor this car gets. If it goes down hill again it will be a parts car.

[EJ22D]

That 251 is going to be tougher for sure. The 96 blocks are just not cut for that kind of treatment. Are you going to open the ports to those 22E heads a little?

Depending on cost yeah I may have the heads opened up some. Not sure how much benefit there is

The payoff is worth every penny. Much more power in the midrange & more power to be had all throughout the rpm. The powerband will stretch higher into the rpms as well, so a little more top end.

[Baddog]

Been forever. I put a 251 short block in. I still have idle issues. But not nearly as bad.

Been prepping for Oct7ne's turbo build/swap. And working on the girls 95 prezza.

[Baddog]

Don't update this at all because the MR threads have gone down hill.

However I am now runnin' a 251 with 25D heads and STI HG's. One of my more favorable builds so far.

[1996Battlewagon]

Don't update this at all because the MR threads have gone down hill.

However I am now runnin' a 251 with 25D heads and STI HG's. One of my more favorable builds so far.

Really!?! Do tell. What's the compression ratio on that? I've always preferred dual cam Subaru engines to single cams.

[chevyman1968]

that compression ratio should 10 to 1 but I am not sure I am running the same set up but with the stock Rs head gaskets so mines around 11.1 to 1.

also, when you hit 3k with this set up if feels like vtec kicks in. i was getting good mpgs as well.

[Baddog]

It's about 10.7:1. Stock compression is 10.1 on a 251. This is a 251 with 25D heads and a THIN STI HG.

I didn't notice any low end torque drop from my old 25D/22E cammed motor. I also did intake spacers, throttle body spacer (home made) and some other stuff to the motor. As well as an EL header.

[Baddog]

Was looking back at this. Not much has really changed at all. Going to be doing a turbo swap into the girls 95 Impreza soon. I have been spending all my car time helping Oc7ane get the turbo build finish. Which is now complete.

The EJ251/25D is running good. Some blue smoke when I get on it. But the heads had around 220k on them without a rebuild. Currently just drive it.

[chevyman1968]

I am running the STi gaskets now on my build. I really miss the high compression but I was looking at having to change the head gaskets once a year. The compression blew out the stock RS HGs in 6 months, but I can run regular fuel now which I am happy about. I was spending 360-400 bucks a month on the old setup.


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[chevyman1968]

How much of a difference did the throttle body spacer and intake manifold spacers make?


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[Baddog]

Well tonight the Legacy caught fire on the back passenger side near the header. I am unsure of what caused it. But after years of faithful service, she is now gone.


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[CaleDeRoo]

Oh jesus christ that sucks



BUT DIBS ON STUFF

[98legwag]

Damn dude. Sorry to see it.

[lord flashheart]

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That is about as shitty as it gets.
I'm sorry bro.
Hopefully insurance will cover it?

[dynonacht]

BUT DIBS ON STUFF

Too soon junior.

[Baddog]

I am back in a Legacy. I will get more pictures today. It has 270k on it. And needs a transmission (which I have).

Not sure the plans I have yet. But after having a boosted Impreza. This will get boost someday.

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[Hinyo]

Cant wait to see this progress =)

[chevyman1968]

Nice!!!! Welcome back!


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