TechWorks??

[prodriver1]

anyone live by or know about TechWorks? I am thinking of having them build my engine but I want some feedback from actual customers b4 I invest that much. thanks.

[Reason]

Expensive

[StatGSR]

what are you trying to build?

[prodriver1]

what are you trying to build?
I was researching cams and stumbled onto their site. looks like they have stage 2 semi closed deck N/A sti engines for sale fully built and that is exactly what I want.

[prodriver1]

Expensive
word. but I would rather have a built N/A subaru engine than internal organs so....

[StatGSR]

well that's one way to blow a lot of money.... ;-)

[prodriver1]

well that's one way to blow a lot of money.... ;-)
its a good investment. I want a built engine because I want a million miles without anything breaking. not for hp just reliability, an engine built for 600+ hp should be able to handle 200hp just fine. now I just need to learn more about diffs and get a bullet proof setup. and of course a STi 6spd should be able to handle the setup while sleeping. then I will get a rust free southern outback and get it treated and bed liner will be sprayed undercar and replacing the "outback" tan part with bed liner for extra outbackness :grin: many other smaller plans too. all in all about 10years worth of a plan, a little at a time I already have 2 parts cars worth of replacement and upgrade stuff so I'm well on the way.

[Reason]

If you have the money you will be well on your way. Sounds like a 15k-20k build you got coin on there. Two parts cars and a dream isn't scratching the surface of what you have planned. Not trying to discourage you. Just many of us, (including myself) had huge dreams, plans and parts but when time and money for short it pops the dream bubble. I don't know what you have for funds, but make sure your build is realistic to your income and then you will be on your way to something fun.

[Huffer]

what are you trying to build?
I was researching cams and stumbled onto their site. looks like they have stage 2 semi closed deck N/A sti engines for sale fully built and that is exactly what I want.

Delta Cams will give you the cam regrind you want.

[Huffer]

well that's one way to blow a lot of money.... ;-)
its a good investment. I want a built engine because I want a million miles without anything breaking. not for hp just reliability, an engine built for 600+ hp should be able to handle 200hp just fine. now I just need to learn more about diffs and get a bullet proof setup. and of course a STi 6spd should be able to handle the setup while sleeping. then I will get a rust free southern outback and get it treated and bed liner will be sprayed undercar and replacing the "outback" tan part with bed liner for extra outbackness :grin: many other smaller plans too. all in all about 10years worth of a plan, a little at a time I already have 2 parts cars worth of replacement and upgrade stuff so I'm well on the way.

You want a 600hp engine and only produce 200? That's way overkill. Do some more research. The stock EJ25 bottom end is good for close to 200hp. If you want more, then unless you have a kazillion dollars then you are looking at a custom, one off completely more expensive than an RV engine.

Cheap, fast, reliable. Pick TWO. That's the formula.

[decke48]

fyi techworks became a new company, so they are a little slow on replying if you email. (happened to me, 4 month later i get a reply)

[prodriver1]

no discouragement will be tolerated! its just what I'm doing. doesn't mater what the bottom end can handle, it needs to be stronger. that's just the way I like things. I don't wast my money buying tones of cheap crap. I go without till I can get the best. I know it doesn't fit into the American consume as much as you can, build it as fast as you can for as little money as possible but that's cool with me its all about what I want anyway. :smt023

[Matty2Hotty]

Just cause it's built and your running less HP doesn't mean it will "last" any longer then a regular standard fully rebuilt motor. Dont just think your engine will be fail proof cause it's built.

[prodriver1]

Just cause it's built and your running less HP doesn't mean it will "last" any longer then a regular standard fully rebuilt motor. Dont just think your engine will be fail proof cause it's built.
yes. :smt016

[grayguy]

Just get an EZ30, rebuild it, and call her a day. I'd say EG33 for cost, but I know that the fab side of that wont work out for you.

[prodriver1]

Just get an EZ30, rebuild it, and call her a day. I'd say EG33 for cost, but I know that the fab side of that wont work out for you.
stock subaru engines seem to over heat when offroading:( I have broken almost every part on a subaru over the years and different subarus I just don't want that to happen anymore and I will never change my driving style so uber tough is the only way for me.

[Baddog]

Just get an EZ30, rebuild it, and call her a day. I'd say EG33 for cost, but I know that the fab side of that wont work out for you.
stock subaru engines seem to over heat when offroading:( I have broken almost every part on a subaru over the years and different subarus I just don't want that to happen anymore and I will never change my driving style so uber tough is the only way for me.

You've had some bad luck. I have pushed mine with 171k on it for the past 40k miles all the time. Never had an issue.

That reminds me I should replace my thermostat soon.

[grayguy]

If you want a reliable offroader, get a Toyota or a Jeep. I could never justify spending the money you want to on a subaru build, let alone just to go offroading in it.

Have you thought of upgraded radiators, an oil cooler maybe? In general, you can neglect a subaru engine quite badly before it will fail, so if your taking care of one and upgradeing the few weak links, there's no reason you need to spend $10k on an engine. I would put 100 $100 EJ22e's with a turbo kit in my car over a $10,000 motor any day. If your planing on abusing it all the time, Run slightly upgraded stock motors that are cheap to replace every 2-3 years if you manage to kill them that fast. Just my $.02 I guess since I'd rather have 50 $2000 cars instead of one $100,000 car.

[prodriver1]

If you want a reliable offroader, get a Toyota or a Jeep. I could never justify spending the money you want to on a subaru build, let alone just to go offroading in it.

Have you thought of upgraded radiators, an oil cooler maybe? In general, you can neglect a subaru engine quite badly before it will fail, so if your taking care of one and upgradeing the few weak links, there's no reason you need to spend $10k on an engine. I would put 100 $100 EJ22e's with a turbo kit in my car over a $10,000 motor any day. If your planing on abusing it all the time, Run slightly upgraded stock motors that are cheap to replace every 2-3 years if you manage to kill them that fast. Just my $.02 I guess since I'd rather have 50 $2000 cars instead of one $100,000 car.
its not just a solution to a problem I like engineering and engines and the challenge of turning a production line vehicle into a perfect car is sweet. senior Pagani got a lot of crap for his unyielding attention to detail and only wanting the best. but the Zonda is king so I guess he was rite. I would rather have 1 zonda F over 100 ferrari F430's.

[ouch1011]

So you want to have built engine because stock engines overheat? That makes no sense. If the engine is overheated, that means there is a problem with the cooling system, not the engine.

I have nothing against a built engine, but you want a built engine for the wrong reasons. A high performance built engine will not last any longer than a stock engine, may not even last as long. High performance engines tend not to last as long as a stock, run of the mill engine.

[Reason]

I have 270k+ on my current engine and I run that shit hard. Only time it over heated was when the head gaskets started to fail. Quick rebuild and has been fine ever since. You don't need a $10k+ engine built for reliability. You can spend a fraction of that and be set. If you said I want this engine to be able to handle 600hp+ because you want a fast car this would be a whole different discussion. You go on a public forum and say what your plans are to be upset if people think you are nuts. We all want reliable engines, you think we sit at home thinking about the best ways to build the least reliable engine we can with the most hp possible? For the most part the advice you get here on this.subject is from guys who have built.their own engines and know or seen first hand what to do and what not to do. You don't spend 40k on a wedding and only invite the crazy couple from next door, it just doesn't make sense.

[Reason]

I would rather have 1 zonda F over 100 ferrari F430's.

Really? I'll take the 100 ferrari's. I'd sell 3/4 of them keep one pass the rest around to friends and family, buy your Zonda and build my Legacy lol.

[prodriver1]

I have 270k+ on my current engine and I run that shit hard. Only time it over heated was when the head gaskets started to fail. Quick rebuild and has been fine ever since. You don't need a $10k+ engine built for reliability. You can spend a fraction of that and be set. If you said I want this engine to be able to handle 600hp+ because you want a fast car this would be a whole different discussion. You go on a public forum and say what your plans are to be upset if people think you are nuts. We all want reliable engines, you think we sit at home thinking about the best ways to build the least reliable engine we can with the most hp possible? For the most part the advice you get here on this.subject is from guys who have built.their own engines and know or seen first hand what to do and what not to do. You don't spend 40k on a wedding and only invite the crazy couple from next door, it just doesn't make sense.
you just think I don't know what I'm doing :smt005 . I am crazy that is the label I have been given by anyone who doesn't know me. all free thinkers over the centuries have been labeled crazy, some were even killed for there bassackwards thinking, but look at all the sweet shit we have because of the "crazies". I don't think about things the way most sheep do, I'm just going about things differently. reliability is only one part of it, just so happens its the main part. the rest is my build theory: torque and endless reliability like a cumins turbo diesel (for the idiots thats not literal its figurative I don't actually expect turbo diesel torque), I want revs like a coked out honda engine, and the sound and attitude of subaru. the same reasons I got an outback in the first place, so I don't have to park my civic and jump into the toyota truck b4 the trails, its all in one car. 360,000 miles was not enough for me with my old outback, when she died....well I was never the same after that and I will never let another 96-99 subaru die under my watch they are very much worth saving. fuck a prius just rescue and old subaru its much much better for the environment.

[StatGSR]

I'm with max, rebuilt ez30, excessive cooling precautions taken, mild tune, and you would get everything you ever wanted at a fraction of the cost. you can't bank on making something indestructible so why bother, most built engines get rebuilt more frequently than any near stock one ever will, regardless of the fact that its "built for 600 but only seen 200hp"

Don't plan a build that will take more than 2 years to execute, the amount of money that could be lost could have gone to much better things and you never know what your life will be like 2 years from now. there is nothing more irritating than a project that never gets anywhere.

[Reason]

So you dub yourself a "free thinker" for wanting to buy a fully built motor? You aren't the first to do this, and what you are planning isn't going to change how the subaru community thinks. You are buying a race engine for the same reasons everyone else before you that bought one. Your priorities for it are just in a different order. To be a "free thinker" You would need to think a little more outside of the bun dude.

[prodriver1]

I'm with max, rebuilt ez30, excessive cooling precautions taken, mild tune, and you would get everything you ever wanted at a fraction of the cost. you can't bank on making something indestructible so why bother, most built engines get rebuilt more frequently than any near stock one ever will, regardless of the fact that its "built for 600 but only seen 200hp"

Don't plan a build that will take more than 2 years to execute, the amount of money that could be lost could have gone to much better things and you never know what your life will be like 2 years from now. there is nothing more irritating than a project that never gets anywhere.
I had this built in my head when I had the GT and I wanted to autox that so I didn't want the EZ due to its slightly heavier nature (good weight balance) but in the outback that won't matter. but I haven't seen the EZ30 everyday for the last 10 years like I have the EJ25 so I don't know that much about its characteristics. but I'm sure you could tell me :grin: you got that thing running yet?

[StatGSR]

^ no not running yet, but that's what happens when you don't touch it, honestly, there has never been more than 60-80 hrs worth of work into my swap including both me and max's time, and i haven't really touched it since summer, sadly, my life is giving me money, but not time, and a refuse to pay somebody else an arm and a leg to fart around with it.

Also i have an eg33 from and SVX, not a EZ30 from a newer legacy. plenty of ez30 swap info over on nabisco though.

BTW, i dont think the ez30 is more than 50lbs heavier than a na ej25, my guess is that a ez30 will weight about the same as a turbo ej25, i think the eg33 was only like 75lbs more.

[prodriver1]

^ no not running yet, but that's what happens when you don't touch it, honestly, there has never been more than 60-80 hrs worth of work into my swap including both me and max's time, and i haven't really touched it since summer, sadly, my life is giving me money, but not time, and a refuse to pay somebody else an arm and a leg to fart around with it.

Also i have an eg33 from and SVX, not a EZ30 from a newer legacy. plenty of ez30 swap info over on nabisco though.

BTW, i dont think the ez30 is more than 50lbs heavier than a na ej25, my guess is that a ez30 will weight about the same as a turbo ej25, i think the eg33 was only like 75lbs more.
I would rather have the 3.3 than the 3.0 outback motor. but I also want the VCD system so maybe I'll just buy a H6 parts car and get everything I need. and you are rite on not letting others work on YOUR baby (not including Max :grin: ).

[StatGSR]

if i was willing to spend the coin i woulda went ez30, the fact that you can maintain stock radiator location is pretty sweet.

I know the eg33 has more power out of the box, but there isn't much in the way of upgrading that you can do without it costing a small fortune. not to mention they are known having poor cooling characteristics.

[prodriver1]

ya H6 parts car all the way. :grin:

[chuckthefuk]

......Not trying to discourage you. Just many of us, (including myself) had huge dreams, plans and parts but when time and money for short it pops the dream bubble. .........

The only way to make this happen is if you stay motivated.. My plans were small and then it got blown right the fu*k out the water and went big with low aspirations... If money is tight make some sacrifices if you want to succeed.

I cant even count the number of new members who post similar goals and aspirations similar to yours... Most fail and drop off the face of the earth.. others get way over their head.. some just don't have the knowledge and then there's that small percentage of people who succeeded in assembling and running their projects..

Just because you can purchase a N/A STi fully built engine doesn't mean its just going to plug and play.. Sure it will bolt on but how the hell are you going to get it running? Computer system, sensors,, head aches!

Anyways i always enjoy these threads and watching how long they go on for and the final outcome.. I hope you don't follow the rest :smt015

Good luck with your goals.
-Chuck

[grayguy]

there is nothing more irritating than a project that never gets anywhere.

This is about the truest statement I've ever read on the interwebz. I let my Silver GT sit for like 3 years cause I got sick of things going wrong and I basically was sick of working on it.

I would seriously look for an EZ30. I have been very seriously thinking of abandoning all my 4cylinder turbo stuff in favor on a stock EG33 ran with my LINKecu. I honestly thing after doing Stat's EG33 swap, I could do most of it in a weekend if I wanted too, it wasn't very complicated.

Start reading on EZ swaps, and start shopping around just to see what it's gonna cost you.

[prodriver1]

Just cause it's built and your running less HP doesn't mean it will "last" any longer then a regular standard fully rebuilt motor. Dont just think your engine will be fail proof cause it's built.
thats a stupid statement

[chuckthefuk]

Just cause it's built and your running less HP doesn't mean it will "last" any longer then a regular standard fully rebuilt motor. Dont just think your engine will be fail proof cause it's built.
thats a stupid statement

Ummm...



So you want to have built engine because stock engines overheat? That makes no sense. If the engine is overheated, that means there is a problem with the cooling system, not the engine.

I have nothing against a built engine, but you want a built engine for the wrong reasons. A high performance built engine will not last any longer than a stock engine, may not even last as long. High performance engines tend not to last as long as a stock, run of the mill engine.

ouch and matty have a point.. not to start anything ...

[prodriver1]

archer racing's engine builders told me the opposite, and they are professional race car builders, so....

[Baddog]

archer racing's engine builders told me the opposite, and they are professional race car builders, so....

SO they build Subaru race engines as well? I have seen plenty of built engines pop. If they build you an engine that makes respectable power and lasts as long as a stock engine (you will never know this) then I will believe what they are telling you.

[prodriver1]

archer racing's engine builders told me the opposite, and they are professional race car builders, so....

SO they build Subaru race engines as well? I have seen plenty of built engines pop. If they build you an engine that makes respectable power and lasts as long as a stock engine (you will never know this) then I will believe what they are telling you.
I DONT WANT MORE POWER! i will use stock injectors stock computer and all just stronger materials thats all HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT. its completely logical to say stronger parts dont brake, take a stick and brake it, then take a steel tube and try with the same force it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what will happen,

[StatGSR]

Well its not the "sticks" that are going to BREAK at stock power levels. Spend your money on good bearings, rings and gaskets, get the rotating bits nice and balanced and call it a day.

And for those that don't know archer, they build mostly dodge vipers and have done some dsms, while a capable shop, they are not Subaru engine builders.

[Thomistopheles]

Well its not the "sticks" that are going to BREAK at stock power levels. Spend your money on good bearings, rings and gaskets, get the rotating bits nice and balanced and call it a day.

Exactly. Put the money into other things that will have a greater impact on reliability. The money you'd be dumping into forged internals would be better spent on cooling system upgrades, ARP hardware, quality timing parts, and making sure it's getting oil with an upgraded pickup + baffle + pan.