Rally wagon's 98 Legacy L wagon (WRB)

[lord flashheart]

Those are N/A cars tho. People are arguing that the pressure required to alot of power those manifolds is too much for them. I am not worried about it because plastic is pretty rigid. Look at a mountain dew bottle... Those can hold quite a bit of pressure...

[mike-tracy]

I'm not a fan of plastics b/c of longevity. Look at the turbo cars from the 90s - coolant reservoirs busted, turbo plastic inlets cracking, tmic piping, anything plastic that gets fitted several times, etc, all broken over time. I think it's great short term solution though for the reasons mentioned above, though.

[lord flashheart]

Well there are diff. Types of plastics, and the doesn't flex nearly as much as all that other shiz. But I do agree with you, aluminum tubing is better for intercooler piping and such. I think part of the reason they do the plastic is because they can cast it with more precision and smoother flow. Iirc the plastic manifolds flow better than the Wrx and STi manifold, granted the manifold isn't thechoke point. The major choke point is in the combustion chamber. The air has a hard time squeezing between the combustion chamber wall and the valve at low lift.

[Dead91silvia]

Well, doing metal tipping makes sense. Plastic is only on a few cars when it comes to IC pipping. I know the Z32 uses some, but they also have metal pipping also. As for the intake, I have a feeling you would need to be pushing at least 400+ to even worry about it... But then again I could be wrong...

[mike-tracy]

Well, doing metal tipping makes sense. Plastic is only on a few cars when it comes to IC pipping. I know the Z32 uses some, but they also have metal pipping also. As for the intake, I have a feeling you would need to be pushing at least 400+ to even worry about it... But then again I could be wrong...

No I don't think you're wrong. They don't have the rough surface in the plenum like a cast aluminum part would - which should help with flow. But at the J/Y we worked at, we'd sell every last composite intake manifold that came in, if they were intact. Lots of American cars use em. We even charged more vs the aluminum intakes, lol. So in the short term they're fine, but you blow HG's or they are over a decade old, and it'd crack.

[Garrison]

So in the short term they're fine, but you blow HG's and it'd crack.

By which you mean the engine overheating?

[mike-tracy]

So in the short term they're fine, but you blow HG's and it'd crack.

By which you mean the engine overheating?

That or material fatigue due to vibration, etc.

[rallywagon]

Got some new goodies! Perrin Divorced dp, Agency Power up pipes(one for my dad's WRX)-and a Grimspeed boost control solenoid.
Also I bought a COBB sf intake for $100 the other day-Had an amazing time at MaxWell Power today and Definitely planning on getting a DOM tune ;)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/05/IMG_8422-1.jpg
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[xoSubieLegacyxo]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/05/finishhim-1.jpg


I'm waiting! lol

[rallywagon]

Nice Chad lol-Hey guys my mod list is updated on page 1 in case you wanna check that out

[Garrison]

Sucks that you live on the opposite end of the country from me. I'd volunteer to help you finish this just to see the look on your face. You're close amigo!

[rallywagon]

lines rerouted to the new ABS/master cylinder
Power Steering lines connected(except the one in the front)
Air box setup with intake where old ABS use to be
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/05/Motorcomintogether-1.jpg

[lord flashheart]

I have yet to see a subaru manifold crack yet. All the ej255s I've rebuild (which is alot) I've seen rods break and come thru the block and hit the manifold, ive seen them over heat so bad the cylinders distort, I've seen the oil turn to carbon, melted rods, disintagraded pistons seaze cams, even thermal melt down etc. But I have yet to see (or even hear of) a cracked manifold. Not saying plastic manifolds don't do that, but subaru seems to not have that issue.

[nikolaus.conrad]

Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel yet?

[rallywagon]

Right now the car's 90% done. The 10% is gonna be the hardest part....

[Legacy89]

And i tought this swap was a pain in the ass.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh289/tmjpwns/785motorbytte.jpg

[nikolaus.conrad]

Right now the car's 90% done. The 10% is gonna be the hardest part....
What do you have left to do?

[rallywagon]

Well I need a VF52 turbo-my buddy's gonna give it to me when he upgrades his 2011 WRX turbo setup
Up pipe and Down Pipe Gaskets
Perrin Turbo Inlet
Exhaust system
Blower Motor Delete solenoid and other stuff
I need more fuses

and that's all I think I need to turn the motor over.
Other than that-there's gonna be those little things that I run
into that are gonna "Nickle and dime me to death" says Chuck.
I hope all goes well. Here's some more pictures btw comparing the up pipe
diameter and more of the divorced dp and motor
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[lord flashheart]

Good call on the up pipe.

You didn't want an bellmouth down pipe?

[Garrison]

Good call on the up pipe.

You didn't want an bellmouth down pipe?

+1




and +1 ..... ?

[rallywagon]

I had a Bellmouth Invidia and gave it to my dad for his '04 WRX he just bought. He just came home from korea and I
got him into Subaru's ;D A lot of people suggest Divorced and there's plenty of clearance that was honed out for my
new VF52 :D and btw.......I'm gonna buy a brand new Access Port today! This guys selling it in my neighborhood for $400
Brand new because it didn't map on his STI! Killer Craigslist deal= +2!

[lord flashheart]

Here is the deal. I know a thing or 2 about exhaust science, and here is my opinion
Devorced are ok n all,fedral better than OEM but bellmouth is better. Exhaust flow and intake flow are a lot alike. Think of it like this Engines are an air pump, power is a by product. Getting the old air out is just as important as getting air in. So the lower the VE of the exhaust, the harder it is to get air in. So now if you notice all that black sooty area that is restricting flow. there is a whole list of reasons I prefer bellmouth. Much involving thermal efficency, flow etc. And I'm not going to get going on that.

[smokeythewhitewagon]

Sweet Ride man. When mine gets finished (someday!) We should cruise. Way to represent T-TOWN!

[rallywagon]

FOR SALE $2450
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/BlackCherry1-1.jpg

[lord flashheart]

you serious?
does that mean you got your legacy running?

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

FOR SALE $2450
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/BlackCherry1-1.jpg

If only I lived on the west coast!

[rallywagon]

No, but if I sell this then I'll have enough money to get the Legacy running ;) In the mean time, I'll buy another one of these and
fix it up just like this one. PROFIT

[Legacy89]

Holy crap, i only payed around 400 for my 87 L1800 Coupè :P

[rallywagon]

Ya but this is a perfectly running 94 Loyale with a new motor in it-it only has 70k miles on it

[nikolaus.conrad]

It would be a DREAM to find a car like that on the East coast, those are extinct over here. :-(

[prodriver1]

Ya but this is a perfectly running 94 Loyale with a new motor in it-it only has 70k miles on it
for realz, its is totally worth every penny.

[rallywagon]

Update-so first off, we put on some muddin tires on the loyale and went to Capitol Forest.
This is me and my buddy Ben.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/7406595098_f9c979f0ca-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595098/)
Havin some fun
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595194/

I also added a cherry bomb-it only made sense to do so.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/7406595550_3598dc8673-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595550/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595550/

Then we lifted the WRX with stock springs/struts and Foz wheels
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/7406595380_b459f96058-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595380/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595380/

Then we took it to Capitol Forest
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I love my Go Pro :)
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Then I put some TEIN Coil Overs on the LEGACY! Whippeeee
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595478/

My rear end has never been so low!!! Btw-the rears are set to the mid way point. I could drop another 2 inches if I wanted too :D
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/7406595142_973e78d537-1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/67635756@N03/7406595142/)
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That's the update-The parts I need left to finish my swap are as follows...
-Blower Delete Solenoid
-Fuel Pump
-VF52 Turbo

That's all I know of. I'm still waitin on a Hero to come to my house and rescue/finish my swap with me.
I'm getting ready to go to college guys! I don't have much longer!!!

[Dead91silvia]

You do realize that Those are going to get chewed up with your car being so low right? My Silvia was about that low and I grounded off about 1/2 in on the flaps.. Being super low has more disadvantages then advantages.

Any closer to running?

[Legacy89]

I would help you out if i where in the right country.

[nikolaus.conrad]

I'd help out if I wasn't on the east coast! =(

[rallywagon]

It won't be low for long, but I wanna keep it stanced until it's ready to rally.
Ok guys, All the wiring is connected but when I turn the key, nothing lights up, can you guys create
a check list for me on things I should check? I'm lost right now

[nikolaus.conrad]

Battery is charged?

[Legacy89]

Check batteryconnections, Voltage on the battery, and Fuses.

[rallywagon]

Ya new battery- alright

[Dead91silvia]

Man you have so much you are gonna need to check with a project like this.

1. make sure eveything is pluged in. I know it might seem dumb to ask, but you might have missed one plug.
2. get a multi-meter and do some testing.
3. get a wiring diograme and figure out what wires do what.

[Garrison]

What exactly is the purpose of the blower delete solenoid?

[lord flashheart]

It won't be low for long, but I wanna keep it stanced until it's ready to rally.
Ok guys, All the wiring is connected but when I turn the key, nothing lights up, can you guys create
a check list for me on things I should check?


ARE YOU SERIOUS?
diagnostics over the internet is hard enough in older cars like ours,
so diagnosing something that has been retro fitted, with new shit,makes it damn neer impossible.
it could be anything.
the fact of the matter is you can ask other people question after question on what it could be but in
the end you put the car together, no one will ever know that car as well as you do. you need to
get in there get tangled up and check double check, then triple check everything.
ill do my best to help you. but the the more info given the better. be as discriptive a possible.
when you turn the key, do the dash lights work? does the fuel pump come on? what exactly happens.

important: if the ECU doesnt get power, the check engine light wont apear when the key is in the on possition with the engine off.
we need to know what does and doesnt happen.

[rallywagon]

Ya I'll dig into it to find more information. Right now I'm working on lowering my friends forester,
installing an up pipe on my dad's WRX, rebuilding my little brothers GL 1.8 motor, and a lot more stuff. She's sitting
pretty right now though, I'll show you a picture

[rallywagon]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/178368_462222450457719_598336190_o-1.jpg

I still have like 3 inches of thread on these coilovers to lower this thing.

Also to Garrison, I'm not exactly sure on the solenoid but a buddy that works
at Maxwell power told me. idk

[rallywagon]

Ok guys, I kind of wanted to keep this a secret but I guess I'll let it out.....
2008 STi and up side skirts happen to fit like a glove
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/06/SideSkirts-1.jpg

[redlegacygt]

Wow that looks awesome... Now you have me thinking. haha

[nikolaus.conrad]

You need a rear skirt now!

[rallywagon]

As you all know, last year I had purchased this small baby TD04 from Steve Talbot's Forester STI swap at PIA in Spanaway, WA
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/11/307170_288143237865642_100000099053337_1-1.jpg
I figured the swap would be pointless if I got a turbo this small so I put it on craigslist and whatdoyou know? They saw it and needed it back for a customer so they
payed me $20 more than what I payed for it, Yaaa!! haha So $320.

I decided to grow some balls, nut up, stop worrying about my weak stock tranny and bought a BRAND NEW VF52! Subaru's biggest OEM turbo. I found it on ebay and payed
only $900 for it as opposed to the $1300 retail price. The owner bought it brand new for a swap and it sat in his garage for a year but he never put it on because he got a 20G.

In the mean time of my wait for my new turbo to come in, I'll show you some pictures of the two turbo's next to each other to compare(found these pictures on google)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/vf52vstd041copy-1.jpg
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https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/vf52vstd044-1.jpg

Are you guys happy I did this? haha

[Garrison]

Pay the extra $250-300 and get it P&P'd, then you'll REALLY love your turbo.

But, good choice!

[chrish8r]

That much closer to finishing man. I cant wait

[rallywagon]

Thanks, yes very close to finishing! What kind of gains can I expect with it ported and polished?

[Garrison]

Thanks, yes very close to finishing! What kind of gains can I expect with it ported and polished?
P&P the compressor side, and you can expect more cfm, which is more power; and less opportunity to choke the turbo.
P&P the turbine side, and you can expect quicker spool and lower boost threshold.

A win/win really. Also - opt for ceramic coating if you can wangle it, it'll keep the heat down. That, or a turbo blanket.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Thanks, yes very close to finishing! What kind of gains can I expect with it ported and polished?
P&P the compressor side, and you can expect more cfm, which is more power; and less opportunity to choke the turbo.
P&P the turbine side, and you can expect quicker spool and lower boost threshold.

A win/win really. Also - opt for ceramic coating if you can wangle it, it'll keep the heat down. That, or a turbo blanket.

turbo blanket? Why not a turbo sweater? :smt017

[lord flashheart]

I seriously doubt you will see any gains with out a tune...

are those side skirts overlapping the rear door or is that an optical illusion?

[rallywagon]

With out a tune? Of course I'm getting a tune. I'm getting a DOM TUNE! haha, no it's no illusion. I'm gonna have to mod that skirt a little bit

[lord flashheart]

what injectors are you going to use?

those skirts look amazingly good tho!

[Dead91silvia]

Did you get your wiring figured out?

[rallywagon]

Stock injectors-I still haven't touched the wiring..

[lord flashheart]

ok, i wouldnt go over 300CHP (230WHP) with those injectors if you want that engine to last.

[rallywagon]

Just to let everyone know. I've decided......I'm gonna make sure I do this right. I need to be 100% confident when I turn the key
that my motor won't blow up, so I've decided to pull the motor again. This weekend were going to make sure the cams are aligned CORRECTLY.
Also, I'm gonna buy a new clutch and throw out bearing and get a hydraulic fork so that I can run a hydraulic clutch as opposed to a cable clutch.

And if you guys would, please take a minute to check out my latest photoshoot with a 2012 STI. Please leave your feedback and likes ;D Thanks guys.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set= ... 693&type=1 (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.236740423114140.52668.100408240080693&type=1)
If that link didn't work just go to my page at
facebook.com/Zwingfilms

[rallywagon]

NEVERMIND-I did align the cams correclty-I just forgot....hahaha

[MonstarMotorsports]

What kind of rally are you talking about. stage rally or rally cross?
If you want to stage rally, stop wasting your money and time on that car to make it a rally car. Its just not going to happen, or be worth making it happen.
First off, new drivers are given restricted licenses, meaning you'll be stuck to running in an Open Light (naturally aspirated) Group 2 (2wd) or Production Class (no fancy turbo motor swaps like you did) So right off the bat, your car wont even pass tech for you. So you'll need to build another car that will meet the hundreds of rules a rally car needs to meet. just so you can get enough seat time for rally america to unrestrict your license.

So assuming you dump 8 grand into building a open light race car, run it for a couple years, get your license unrestricted, Then dump another 3 grand into a cage that will pass tech for the legacy, and another 2 grand into all the required safety equipment you'll need. Your legacy will probably pass tech for Open class. But jumping from open light, to open... completely pointless IMO. and a waste of money.

If your not competitive in OL, theres no reason to upgrade classes, But if you are and are wanting more competition, then its time to step up to production class cars. Sell your OL car, buy a wrx/STi and start over building another car.

Keep the legacy a clean sweet looking street machine/daily driver. Your honestly going to be wasting your time trying to make it a stage rally car unless you feel like ripping all those legacy parts right back out.

Rallycross how ever, doesnt have near the rules, nor requires a cage. So if you want rally cross, go have fun in it and kick some ass.

Loving the car so far, just went threw every page. that WRB looks killer on these cars. cant wait to see the swap all buttoned up.

[rallywagon]

Thanks man, that's definitely great information to know! Getting to that stage is a very long term goal still. I'm gonna start out with Auto X, get some publicity on my car.
Build my Zwingfilms business, and I'll probably buy a GC8 when I'm ready to start Stage Rally and build that to the correct specifications. That won't be for another several years before I do that though. Maybe more, maybe less.
I'm only 18 right now so I've got a long life ahead of me to make decisions. I want to focus on my business so I can make a steady and strong income so I can support whom ever I
marry....cough cough Alyssa(my girlfriend) and myself. I've got 2 years of college ahead of me to learn more and more about film considering it's my major. Hopefully I can come up big and start filming Rally events
and then my GREATEST long term goal is to eventually film for Subaru of America making commercials. I'm really attached to Subaru....haha but ya.

[rallywagon]

4 Subaru's in my driveway. My brother owns the GL we bought for $350.
My dad owns the '04 WRX he bought for $13,500
I own the Loyale that I bought for $450 and the Leggy that I bought for $4,500. <-----and these are all the real prices!!! haha
Today I rebuilt my brothers GL motor. New seals..Rear main, Front crankshaft seal, cam seals,
head gaskets, timing belt, valve cover gaskets, intake manifold gaskets, exhaust mani....etc.
We dropped the motor in without a lift-the same way we pulled it out. Here's some pictures my girlfriend took of me.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/SubieMechanic-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/Zachthemechanic-1.jpg

[nikolaus.conrad]

A good thing about the Subaru EA motors, they're so freakin' light. Back in the late 1970s my uncle and father worked for a foreign car shop down the street from where I live now, and my uncle owned a late 70s loyale I believe, when the time came to rebuild the engine my father and uncle took it out with their hands like you did and carried it into my uncle's basement to rebuild it hahahahaha

I also had the pleasure to remove the 5 speed transmission from 96L parts car, by myself, with my hands. So I kind of know where you're coming from, it feels amazing once you finally get it out! haha

[MonstarMotorsports]

Thanks man, that's definitely great information to know! Getting to that stage is a very long term goal still. I'm gonna start out with Auto X, get some publicity on my car.
Build my Zwingfilms business, and I'll probably buy a GC8 when I'm ready to start Stage Rally and build that to the correct specifications. That won't be for another several years before I do that though. Maybe more, maybe less.
I'm only 18 right now so I've got a long life ahead of me to make decisions. I want to focus on my business so I can make a steady and strong income so I can support whom ever I
marry....cough cough Alyssa(my girlfriend) and myself. I've got 2 years of college ahead of me to learn more and more about film considering it's my major. Hopefully I can come up big and start filming Rally events
and then my GREATEST long term goal is to eventually film for Subaru of America making commercials. I'm really attached to Subaru....haha but ya.

AutoX is a ton as fun as well. and a cheap sport to get into. and with a good tune and a car that spools well, your leggy will be a great car for some cone smashing. Would highly suggest building it around that sport. also a good racing sport to get a little seat time with and find some limits with out much fear of any major damage.

GC's will always be a good place to start with a rally car too. Two main things to focus on when building a rally car. Choose a class you want to compete in, learn the rules of that class, and build the car to spec for that class. Second, Make sure you can complete the car in a year or less. Safety rules change in rally as technology gets better. Last thing you want to do is buy a $700 piece of safety equipment, but 2 years later by the time your car finally gets finished, its outdated and wont pass tech. A good example that just happened this year. They changed the safety standards on roll cages, so the absolute most expensive safety part in everyones car isnt going to be useable any more here soon. immediately all new cars have to be built to the new rules, old cars they are still allowing to run a couple more years before they are forced to redo their cages.

besides the cost of the car, stage rally is just an expensive sport to stay in. 150 bucks a year for a regional rally licence (your co driver has to pay that as well)
gas to travel to Olympia, Oregon, and Possibly Idaho if you want to run the 3 main events in our region. Gas to race for the weekend, food, sleep arangments, event entry fee, broken parts, getting good friends to help you pit crew, to someone with out a decent job, just completing the car isnt winning the battle lol. its 8 grand to get into it, and 8 grand to stay into it almost haha. Not trying to detour you by any means, I'd hightly suggest it to anyone. But its a lot of work, time, and money. Just be prepared heading into it and dont think its as easy as what your doing right now.

most of all, good luck on the college and goals. as someone who was 18 with goals like that and pissed em all away. cant tell you how much i regret it lol. its been a struggle ever since then.

[rallywagon]

I appreciate that. Hopefully in the future money isn't an issue for me-financial freedom is too good to be
true especially if you have enough to be blowing it on rallying your car but
who knows. Where are you from btw, what area?

[MonstarMotorsports]

Northern oregon right on the WA boarder.

[rallywagon]

Well you should come to Dupont, WA a couple hours up and help me finish putting it together! haha-I'd give you gas money

[MonstarMotorsports]

what else you got left to do? im down for a drive!
done a dozen turbo swaps or so.

i remember seeing dupont on my way to canada a couple weeks ago. its probably about a 4 hour drive. maybe less

[rallywagon]

Well I'm gonna buy a Turbo inlet at BNW and I need a fuel pump<---those are just the parts I need left. Beside some hoses and other problems I may run into.
I have one month to finish this project or I probably will have to sell my car or put it in storage. I'm going off to college in August.

What needs to be done:
-I need to bolt in the brake and clutch pedals
-Figure out the wiring<---why my cluster or anything won't light up.
-Bolt the VF52 to the uppipe/downpipe/tmic/and connect all the oil lines
-Connect all the necessary hoses to the turbo inlet and everywhere else.
-Install the new fuel pump.

That's pretty much all I can think of.

[rallywagon]

I HAVE EXACTLY 50 DAYS TO FINISH THIS SWAP. Starting tomorrow, I will be working on getting the car done until it's finished!
If anybody else would like to make a long drive over here to help out-PLEASE speak up.
We could have one day where several of you that have extensive knowledge and good mechanical skills come out. We could buy some drinks,
food, and all hang out while we work on the whip. Please contact me if you want to help :D I know I've said this a million times but I'm dyin here.

(253)7208945
zachwingfield@yahoo.com
facebook.com/Zwingfilms

[Dead91silvia]

What needs to be done:
-I need to bolt in the brake and clutch pedals 1-2 hours
-Figure out the wiring<---why my cluster or anything won't light up. This is the biggest problem you NEED to figure out.
-Bolt the VF52 to the uppipe/downpipe/tmic/and connect all the oil lines
-Connect all the necessary hoses to the turbo inlet and everywhere else.
-Install the new fuel pump. .5 hours


It sounds like you cant stay focused on finishing one thing. If you hit a road block, work on something you know and can finish. I'm building a JDM 180sx for a customer that was converted to AWD and also completely striped (0% wiring, motor, trans, susp, and interior). It's a big project, but I dont let it slow me down. 50 days is a lofty goal, but do able if yyou can stay focused.

[lord flashheart]

I would say focus on getting the car running. Forget the performace upgrades. Especially since any more than stock power levels and that trans will snap that trans like a old ladys hip in the rodeo.

[rallywagon]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/IMG_1598-1.jpg

VF52 came in the mail today :D

[rallywagon]

Bought a 2011 STI stock fuel pump off the red car for $50
and a brand new Perrin Turbo Inlet for only $170
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/181359_471602429518780_1940946925_n-1.jpg

[chrish8r]

Now its time to get wrenching. Hopefully all goes smooth from here on man.......And damn that hatch is sexy in the background!!!!

[98legwag]

Cobb Tuning posted a pic of that red STI on Facebook. Now finish the car.

[rallywagon]

Ok guys!

I installed all of the new gasket, bolted on the AP up pipe to the VF52 as well as the Perrin Divorced down pipe
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/1Turbo-1.jpg

Then I installed the Perrin Turbo Inlet! To my very suprise, it was very easy!
I just unbolted the turbo solenoid bracket and it slipped right in!
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/2TurboInlet-1.jpg

This is awesome. My stock fuel pump next to a 2010 STI fuel pump I got from this Guardline wrapped wagon at BNW for $50.
After 14 years, all Subaru did was make the fuel pump smaller, and it fit perfectly!! No issues. I love how consistent Subaru is.
This install was also a piece of cake.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/fuelcomparison-1.jpg

So, I traded my
-blown VF40
-my old Xentec HID boxes w/o bulbs
-and a crappy "Nitrous" brand-turbo gauge
for this Junior Sprint Sparco seat from some 16 year old kid
Now I finally have a drivers seat! Now I just need racing harnesses.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/SparcoSeat-1.jpg

[rallywagon]

Fuel Pump comparison
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/IMG_1648-1.jpg

The seat getting hosed down
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/IMG_1659-1.jpg

Installed an Agency Power Up pipe on my dad's WRX today
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[rallywagon]

Got Rallywagon all packed up and ready for his slumber party at Outback automotive!
I'm leaving it up to them to get it finished with the money I get from selling my Black Loyale

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/266026_476190205727610_1490846118_o-2.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/OutbackCollage-2.jpg

[chrish8r]

So how long do you think it will take them to get it all done??

[lord flashheart]

wow the last shop that called themselfs 'outback automotive' and did subaru stuff got the shit sued out of them by subaru... they are now called outfront motorsport.

[rallywagon]

haha didn't know that-My estimate? 2 weeks or so. Max is 40 days-That's what I told them, I have to go to college by the end of next month so it either runs
by that time or I'm screwed and won't really be able to work on it anymore until I'm done with college or I have a nice long break.

[Dead91silvia]

wow the last shop that called themselfs 'outback automotive' and did subaru stuff got the shit sued out of them by subaru... they are now called outfront motorsport.

Yeah, these guys have been around a while... I have heard of them, never talked to them though.

What have they said about getting the car done? My customers 180SX I'm working on, even if I had all the parts would be about 2 months for a finished car... But thats also with fitting in other customers, installing a compete interior, and full drive train.

[nikolaus.conrad]

Any updates on this?

[rallywagon]

Still waiting on Outback, I'm going to college in 2 DAYS! Exciting-My college is only 40 minutes away from the shop so I'll be able to pick it up once they finish

[nikolaus.conrad]

Nice!

[rallywagon]

So I guess Outback is finally gonna start to work on my car....

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/09/ZachW2013copy_zps2f7ba324-1.jpg

[Garrison]

Ouch.

[rallywagon]

So I threatened to pull my car out if it wasn't done in TWO weeks and so they STARTED! Finally!
Here is the car, getting wired up right now. If anybody has these extra parts that you would basically give to
me to donate finishing the swap that would be nice....
All I need now is...

-'96-'98 Dash Reinforcement
-'96-'98 Heater Core
-'02, '07 STI Short Ram Intake

Here's a picture of it sittin pretty

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/523406_4765144049139_748077226_n-1.jpg

[MonstarMotorsports]

shit!!! i just trashed all my heater core crap. who woulda thunk someone was going to actually need it :(

[Dead91silvia]

shit!!! i just trashed all my heater core crap. who woulda thunk someone was going to actually need it :(

I scarped all those parts about a year ago... and would have just let you have them... Other then the Impreza parts...

Go hit up a Pick and Pull. Lots of work, but cheap.

[rallywagon]

The shop took care of it for me, the parts will all be here tomorrow

[chrish8r]

So the shop is finally getting your car done........about time id say. Kudos to you for keeping in it despite that set back. I know id be going crazy at the shop for doing that

[rallywagon]

Thanks man, ya they're definitely getting work doneeee

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I've been waiting 2 weeks for my rex to come back. I don't know how you could of waited this long without pulling the project early.

[rallywagon]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/11/Legacy-2.jpg

[Cooper197]

At the beginning of this you had black headlights. Did that effect the brightness much?

[rallywagon]

Ya, don't black out your headlights, it's something a high schooler would do ;)

[Cooper197]

Ya, don't black out your headlights, it's something a high schooler would do ;)
Funny that you say this. I've always liked the look but wasn't sure how much it would effect it, and I'm a 17. So it is something I would do for sure. :grin:

[Legacy89]

Ya, don't black out your headlights, it's something a high schooler would do ;)
Funny that you say this. I've always liked the look but wasn't sure how much it would effect it, and I'm a 17. So it is something I would do for sure. :grin:
Just keep a spare set in the back you'll be fine :P

[Cooper197]

Just keep a spare set in the back you'll be fine :P

Yeah I actually thought about that, but I'll just stick to clearing them up a bit and painting the inside housing.

[rallywagon]

So I've been doing some advertising for OUTBACK AUTOMOTIVE in Auburn, WA and I'm getting ready to make them a commercial next year.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/11/51769_283188081802707_1811139217_o-1.jpg

[rallywagon]

Looks like they're making progress, here's an interior shot
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/11/interior-2.jpg
1. The wiring is 90% done
2. The HVAC is installed
3. The Dash Reinforcement is installed
4. The '05 Steering Column is installed(They had to mod the U-Joint or something to get it in there because it was too long.)

[rallywagon]

Another shot from the outside
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/11/Outbackoutsideshot-2.jpg

[rallywagon]

Wiring is complete and the dash is installed
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/DashInstalled-2.jpg

[chrish8r]

Im glad to see it more together. What all is left to be done???

[rallywagon]

UPDATE 12/4/12

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/IMG_1162-1.jpg

Were gettin there. So this is what's been done since it's been in the shop...

-Full wiring harness/ECU/Immobilizer system etc. Installed (except window motors and rear windshield motor)
-Clutch/Brake/Accelerator Pedals Installed
-Steering Column Cut/Shortened/Welded so it could fit in the barrel(too long)
-Turbo/oil lines/TMIC installed
-Turbo Inlet lines installed
-Installed the new dash reinforcement
-Installed HVAC
-Installed Dash
-Fuel Rails installed(They were a pain in the butt to do for some reason)


https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/IMG_1156-1.jpg

So, now that were deep into finishing this thing, we found some parts that we're missing, here's the list...

-Retaining U Clip (clutch pedal to cable)
-DRL Module (Daytime Running Lights)
-Immobilizer/Key Receiver
-Black plate for the Steering Column
-ABS Speed Sensors
-Needs new Fuel Pump Controller
-Needs fuel filter bracket
-Mount Dimmer
-Starter Ground Bracket
-Fuel Filter Bracket
-Lower Radiator Grommet


https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/IMG_1130-1.jpg


besides all that, here's what's left mechanically...
-Clutch cable installation needs to be complete
-Install the DRL Module
-Install Immobilizer/Key Receiver
-Install Steering Column Back Plate
-Re-install Fuel pump/Bracket with longer wiring
-Install ABS Speed sensors(unless we can find another way with the ECU)
-Install Fuel Pump Controller
-Wire Front Door Window Motors
-Wire Rear Wiper Motor washer
-Install New Front Wheel Bearings
-Install/Mount Dimmer
-Install Starter Ground Bracket
-Install Fuel Filter Bracket
-Install Lower Radiator Rubber Grommet
-Install Radiator/Hoses/Red Fans/Overflow
-Install Heater/Breather Hoses
-Install Front Brakes


https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/IMG_1165-1.jpg
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JDM Projectors wired up-Now I just need a DRL Module
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[98legacygt22]

Going to be sick when its done man, I'm dropping an EJ205 into my 97 GT wagon but I'm keeping my original trans (at least until it grenades). I want 300hp to the wheels and I'll be happy

[Dead91silvia]

You better have that finished before I get my GT-B done! LOL

Looks like you guys juts have the small stuff left, good progress. :smt023

[rallywagon]

Check out the update video on my car!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M-bERb6WbI

[Garrison]

Going to be sick when its done man, I'm dropping an EJ205 into my 97 GT wagon but I'm keeping my original trans (at least until it grenades). I want 300hp to the wheels and I'll be happy
You realize that equates to ~ 400hp at the crank right?

[lord flashheart]

^Agreed.
But honestly how many 300whp ej205s have you seen. the majority of the ej20s ive seen with forged pistons and manly rods usually dont break 250-275whp. 300whp is a ambitious goal. I personally have never ever seen one break 380whp (with my own eyes, not saying it csnt be done or someone hasnt done it.)

Im super jazzed gor ya bro, looks like its coming along nicely.
I do want to point out to anyone wanting to attempt a swap
This is a perfect example of how most swaps go.
Over time and over budget then it gets sent to a professional to be finished. I dont want to discourage anyone but just notice that this car was projected to be done in like 2 months and its been like 13 or somehing. And there are so many unexpected expenses. Fast cheap or good...
You can pick 1...2 if your lucky.. Rallywagon chose to have a high
Quality swap. Which is was a good choice.

[Dead91silvia]

Im super jazzed gor ya bro, looks like its coming along nicely.
I do want to point out to anyone wanting to attempt a swap
This is a perfect example of how most swaps go.
Over time and over budget then it gets sent to a professional to be finished. I dont want to discourage anyone but just notice that this car was projected to be done in like 2 months and its been like 13 or somehing. And there are so many unexpected expenses. Fast cheap or good...
You can pick 1...2 if your lucky.. Rallywagon chose to have a high
Quality swap. Which is was a good choice.
This I can agree with.

I have seen people start crazy projects and these are people that do it for a living and they sometimes toss the car back in storage and let it sit, sometimes for years. My Volvo is a perfect example of this. I have not driven it in 13 years because I bit off way more then I could chew at the time.

I'm happy to see this getting done and hoping to see it at some meets in the next few weeks.... :smt023

Maybe a little heads up race with my GT-B will be in order! :grin:

[rallywagon]

It's actually an EJ255, not an EJ205 so getting
300WHP isn't to big of a feat to
accomplish for this motor not to mention
that I have a brand new VF52 in the mix.

But ya finally some progress! Excited to see it getting done,
I'm gonna make a crazy rad video for this thing when it's finished.

[lord flashheart]

It's actually an EJ255, not an EJ205 so getting
300WHP isn't to big of a feat to
accomplish for this motor not to mention
that I have a brand new VF52 in the mix.

But ya finally some progress! Excited to see it getting done,
I'm gonna make a crazy rad video for this thing when it's finished.

Going to be sick when its done man, I'm dropping an EJ205 into my 97 GT wagon but I'm keeping my original trans (at least until it grenades). I want 300hp to the wheels and I'll be happy
You realize that equates to ~ 400hp at the crank right?

pay attention.

[rallywagon]

oops didn't see that.

Do any of you guys have any of those missing parts???

[98legacygt22]

Not to thread jack, but I seriously doubt our AWHP is 100 less than our crank HP. If that were the case then my n/a 2.5 out in the driveway would be getting 65hp to the wheels and I know for a fact its getting more than that.... but in that case.. Challenge accepted!

[Garrison]

Not to thread jack, but I seriously doubt our AWHP is 100 less than our crank HP. If that were the case then my n/a 2.5 out in the driveway would be getting 65hp to the wheels and I know for a fact its getting more than that.... but in that case.. Challenge accepted!

Drivetrain loss:

RWD: 10-15%
FWD: 15%
AWD: 25%

400hp x .25 = 100hp
400hp - 100hp = 300hp

Depending on year model, your EJ25 is producing 165hp at the flywheel, so...

165hp x .25 = 41.25hp
165hp - 41.25hp = 123.75hp

[98legacygt22]

Not to thread jack, but I seriously doubt our AWHP is 100 less than our crank HP. If that were the case then my n/a 2.5 out in the driveway would be getting 65hp to the wheels and I know for a fact its getting more than that.... but in that case.. Challenge accepted!

Drivetrain loss:

RWD: 10-15%
FWD: 15%
AWD: 25%

400hp x .25 = 100hp
400hp - 100hp = 300hp

Depending on year model, your EJ25 is producing 165hp at the flywheel, so...

165hp x .25 = 41.25hp
165hp - 41.25hp = 123.75hp

You are good at math, wanna help me get through the college course I just signed up for? haha but anyway point taken. Maybe I will swap up to a lighter chassis although I just bought my wheels for the Legacy.

[lord flashheart]

Garrison is 100% right. The 95 legacy L is one of the lightest legacys subaru ever built..l

[rallywagon]

Just because
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/mycar_zps4c53c068-1.jpg

[subywagon]

Your legacy is beautiful!! I really like the World Rally Blue on it!

[98legwag]

Is it done yet?

[rallywagon]

Alright guys, I pulled out of Outback, their time management SUCKS, don't take your
car their unless you expect to wait a year for them to do anything...Anyways, I'm happy they
got the wiring all done correctly, I guess I'm missing some immobilizer parts though so until
I find these parts the motor won't fire because of the RFD chip in the key not connecting to a receiver

Here's a video of the cluster startup
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=579917908688172

and here's some pictures of towing it home and then next day getting some work done.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/858546_579904655356164_1450256352_o_zpse-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/733866_580065185340111_1771692307_n_zpsd-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/399383_580068128673150_589102497_n_zps50-1.jpg

Yesterday I installed that Sparco, I installed the steering column plastic black plate and blinker/wiper arms, and the radio works great too!

Here's the revised list of what all needs to be done and how I plan on accomplishing it.

MISSING PARTS
-DRL Module
-Key Reciever, or ignition switch
-05 abs sensors
-New brake lines
-Fuel pump controller
-New Front wheel bearings and Brakes
(buying '07 WRX HUBS with brakes, STOPTECH Rotors, and Hawkpads ALL 4 F & R)
-Mount Dash dimmer switch
-Radiator hoses
-Breather hoses
-Anti theft box +key sensor + dealer programming before start up
Or, aftermarket ECU w/ custom wiring would also work, 04 fxt or STI ECU.
-also a MT cluster would be nice.

Left to be done-

-Mechanical Clutch cable install
-fuel pump install
-either install 05 sensors and new brake lines or Plump/delete
-Front and rear hubs/brakes install
-rear wiper motor wiring
-turbo lines/tmic/turbo inlet lines/intake install.

The list of what's left to be done has gotten much smaller!
I think I'm gonna try and do it all myself, and if I can't finish it,
or if I run into more serious problems, I'll take it to Josh Long at RooPair

-Zach
facebook.com/Zwingfilms

[nikolaus.conrad]

Get it running for summer driving!

[kiyo1990]

Damn loving the progress man. Almost there

[rallywagon]

To fix the issue with my '05 OBXT brakes not fitting the brakemotive drilled and slotted ebay rotors and the bad front bearings, tomorrow I'm installing on all 4 sides '07 WRX Brakes/hubs/bearings with Stoptech Slotted Rotors and some Hawk Pads! https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zps99bbbe68-2.jpg

[rallywagon]

Alright, it seems that those brakes/hubs/rotors/pads that I were gonna install didn't happen-the guy I was gonna buy them from
totally flaked on me....so I guess that's bad news but the good news should make up for it :) - I'm buying Brembo's instead :D :D :D

For another quick update-I took these pictures today to show you a better picture of where the car stands right now.
Since it's been back I've accomplished some things:

-I finished the Mechanical Clutch installation
-I found and installed the Steering column back plate
-Installed Blinker/Windshield wiper arms
-Purchased DRL Module
-Purchased Fuel Pump Controller
and I've been chatting with a guy in Minnesota about buying his:
-Brembo's
-5x100 Brembo adapter
-and his '04 STI ECU

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/Myleggywhereitstandsnow7_zps77835022-1.jpg
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https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/Myleggywhereitstandsnow2_zps5b9a94c3-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/AlyssaTEINs_zpsad758149-1.jpg

Besides installing those parts that will come in shortly...hopefully shortly... What I need to do to get it running is...:
-Buy new Oil Filter, install fluids, all necessary stuff
-Install the new Radiator
-Bolt in my yucky stock TMIC(I want a Process West TMIC)
-Install new Brake Lines and '05 ABS Sensors
and lastly reinstall my '11 STI Fuel Pump!

[Red85Celica]

Car looks great! Hopefully you get all the parts to finish it soon. We have a lot of legacys in the nw that need to meet up.

[1996Battlewagon]

Glad to see you got it back and are doing the work yourself. It'll be together soon enough.

Also, this is a public forum so here goes... sister?

[Aki]

So badass! Looks great in WRB.

[rallywagon]

Glad to see you got it back and are doing the work yourself. It'll be together soon enough.

Also, this is a public forum so here goes... sister?

Hahaha,
no man, sorry she hasn't been formally introduced...SL-I, meet Alyssa, my girlfriend

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/Alyssa_zpsa0a8a5ab-1.jpg

[rallywagon]

Car looks great! Hopefully you get all the parts to finish it soon. We have a lot of legacys in the nw that need to meet up.

Ya man great idea! I just met a fellow SLI member "slavik.86" selling parts on craigslist today!

[slavik.86]

Good to meet you man and thanks for the dp. Good luck with the car and let me no if I can help in any way.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

[rallywagon]

Good to meet you man and thanks for the dp. Good luck with the car and let me no if I can help in any way.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

It was good to meet you too! When I get back from Cali I'm gonna do those brake lines
so it'd be nice to do it with someone whose already had the experience doing it.

[rallywagon]

Alright-Slavik.86 so graciously hooked me up with a fuel pump controller
and how to approach doing an ABS delete-he also lent me his bender.

Tomorrow I'm gonna do it and here's the diagram
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/254481_585398188140144_1473124049_n_zps4-1.jpg

[BDAlex95]

Looks legit, lol

[foohfooh]

bbwhahah! ^

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Looks like it belongs in a Subaru manual.

[rallywagon]

All brake lines are removed from the bay

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/68451a1f366f48148333464fb6da1e80_zpsc5b8-1.jpg

Dash Removed
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zps2a1a988e-1.jpg

First Line made from the bay to the firewall
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zps2bbb46da-1.jpg

T connection from MC to Front Left Brake-today I'll make a line that goes to the Proportioning Valve
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zps23bc2ba2-1.jpg

Front Left Brake
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zpsd2ee3a19-1.jpg

80% finished
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/ScreenShot20130315at114258AM_zpsedb6b6b1-1.jpg

Such a great helper :)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/ScreenShot20130315at114250AM_zpsbe9f1237-1.jpg

[grayguy]

So why do people get confused about the subaru brake line thing, is it not just like every other car in the respect that one port on the MC is Front and One is rear?

[rallywagon]

So I'm gonna bolt the p.v. Right next to my ECU and so everything will be nice and tucked out of the bay

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zpse49497d5-1.jpg

[Zac]

Good Progress man, are you planning for a full wire tuck?

[kiyo1990]

Wow, impressive you are rocking this out. Looking good and nice job placing the lines.

[rallywagon]

Thanks guys, yes full wire tuck indeed.

Last night I picked up some '03 WRX parts to get this thing rolling
-Rear Sub-Frame
-Rear Axels
-Rear Control Arms
-Rear Hubs, Rotors, Brakes, Pads
-Front Hubs, Rotors, Brakes, Pads

Here's some pictures from today of getting it put in.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/11_zpsdc7a3803-2.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/21_zpsd7602793-2.jpg
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https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/31_zpse4fb7d9d-2.jpg

Man, it sucks to not have this beast on a lift
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All installed
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Back in the Garage
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I also ordered the '04 STI ECU today!

Once it's shipped in this week I'll be able to try and start her up for the first time in over a year!!!!

[Garrison]

Damn that's fly dude, well done.

[rallywagon]

Thanks, today I'll throw on the radiator, install the TMIC, go buy some fluids, put the fuel pump back in, and just be ready for when that '04 STI ECU comes this week, then I can try to start it for the first time :)

[Dead91silvia]

Looks like she's coming together well. Get as much done as you can when you can and that way you have little to do when you the time comes to drive it.

My GT-B is just about done, I'm just waiting on a windshield and then I can do a proper road test so I know what it feels like to be close to a start up for sure!

[Red85Celica]

Pac NW subie meet! I need to get my turbo gt here and fixed so I am not left out.

[chrish8r]

I bet the reality of being this close to having an even sicker car is setting in.

I cant wait to see it started up!!

[rallywagon]

I bet the reality of being this close to having an even sicker car is setting in.

I cant wait to see it started up!!

Honestly that's been on my mind all day today-it's almost like, the fact that
it took so long for anything to happen makes the hype disappear and makes this seem
like the extra power won't even be worth it. But today I thought more about how..."holy crap, this
thing is actually gonna be sick" haha-this motor was built for a car that currently weighs 500 more pounds
then my Legacy-not to mention the VF52-bigger turbo. and with as low of a compression rate as this motor
is, the tune-ablity is gonna rock. I'm praying that the motor doesn't have any issues-the Crank spins fine so I know
I did the timing correctly therefore I won't have to deal with bent valves, now I just need to do a compression test
and plug in my OBDII to a laptop to check that my sensors are running correctly. I really am optimistic
that this motor will run great but I'd be really upset if it didn't...not gonna be excited to tear into it again...

Anyways, today I installed all of the fluids-didn't do the fuel pump yet but I don't really know why Outback said it wasn't correctly installed.

The 2004 STI ECU was sent out at 8AM this morning from Minnesota so hopefully it'll be here by Friday-that's the last step on my list.
Please if you care too, pray that everything goes smoothly. It's been a really long and difficult wait for me-over 500 days I think..

Thanks!

-Zach
facbeook.com/Zwingfilms

[rallywagon]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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[rallywagon]

Swapping from the '98 to the '05 worked very smoothly
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/dashesssss_zps8da65ff7-2.jpg

I like to clean up my wires whether they are tucked under the dash or not
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/wiresorganized_zpsb92b9b48-2.jpg

Awesome
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/Dashpic_zpsd7a10265-1.jpg

[rallywagon]

Alright so today I cranked the motor several times to see how it responds(even though I haven't swapped yet to the '04 STI ECU from the '05 LGT)
and it cranked well and there seemed to be no issue and the fuel pump worked but the immobilizer system kept spark from occurring. To verify this
we pulled a plug to see and there was zero spark.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/ScreenShot20130322at123415AM_zps85239fbc-2.jpg

Thant being said, either tomorrow or Saturday I'm going to rewire my Harness and plug it into the new ECU and hopefully it works!!!

[redlegacygt]

Awesome man, i love how that dash looks in there! how much modification was there to get it to fit?

[1996Battlewagon]

Dude man, good going. That dash swap is awesome! I have never seen that: it's always WRX/STi swaps.

[rallywagon]

The Dash went in pretty well even though I still am using my '98 Dash Reinforcement bar. It's not 100% secure
seeing that on the sides it's about 2 inches shorter and the back lifts up and down but this is a pretty easy fix.
When it comes time to put my roll cage in-getting this dash to be secured will be really easy to do.

So today I'm gonna rewire my harness and plug it into the ECU! wish me luck

[rallywagon]

I need help, I rewired everything correctly for the new ECU - plugged it in and now my car is put into alarm mode. Just for people who don't know, I have an 05 LGT harness (immo system) merged with the 98 and I'm using an 04 ECU to bypass the immobilizer system, I tried turning the key 3 times within 5 seconds but it did nothing. I don't have a wireless key fab either so that sucks. Anyways, before the at was put into alarm mode the car starter cranked and the fuel pump worked but no spark because of the immobilizer system. Now that it's in alarm mode and the new 04 STI ECU is installed-I don't get crank or fuel... Don't know what to do.

EDIT:

Here's the post I made at a new thread:

Alrighty, so basically, I'm in the FINAL steps of turning my car on for the first time and I'm having some difficulty.
Here is some information of how the car is set up;

My '1998 Subaru Legacy has an EJ255 motor in it. The wiring is an '05 LGT Wiring Harness merged with some
'98 Accessories and the '05 obviously comes with an immobilizer system. When I bought this harness/immo. system,
the guy forgot to give me a lot of the parts-So instead of repurchasing it all over again and then having to take my
car to a dealer to get it programmed, I decided to just buy an '04 STI ECU to bypass the immo. System. With this new
ECU there are somethings you have to rewire and you have to take the canbus system into account. I rewired Ignition,
fuel signals, I cut A/C, I cut the two Immobilizer wires, and I rewired some other random things that needed to be rewired.
Maybe cutting the immobilizer wires was something I shouldn't have done but just let me know.

Here's the DILEMA;
Before I got my '04 STI ECU, I tried cranking my motor with just the '05 LGT ECU plugged in just for the fun of it.
The motor/starter would crank, and the fuel pump primed each time and squirted fuel to the motor but no spark due
to the immobilizer issue I was having, when my '04 STI ECU arrived in the mail-I rewired/repinned the necessary things
and plugged my harness in, after I did that my cluster('05 cluster) illuminated a Security light and now my motor won't
crank and it won't fuel. I did some research and found that if the car feels like it's security is being breached-it will cut
fuel, crank, and spark. So I tried the opening closing your door, turning your key 3 times in 5 seconds thing and nothing
has worked so far. Also I don't have a key fab or power locks right now.

If you have any information or advice, please leave your response below and if you feel you have an extensive amount
of knowledge on this, feel free to give me a call any time of the day at (253)720-8945

I'm just a guy who wants his Subaru back :( She hasn't been driven for a year and a half and I have this beastly motor in her
that's just waiting to crank over-YOU can help me...PLEASE HELP ME....hahaha

Thanks,

-Zach
facebook.com/Zwingfilms

[Red85Celica]

The immobiliser is bypassed with the 04 ecu...you aren't using a chipped key to match the immobiliser system with the sti ecu? When I worked for toyota, a key had to be registered/programmed to the ecu to start it otherwise it would just crank.

Might be worth a shot, try disconnecting the negative cable with the key in the on position, wait 30 sec and reconnect. My '97 gt will just flash the lights if the battery is reconnected without the key in the ignition. Can't remember if it won't start or not.

Kinda hard to guess what's going on cause of the modifications. I'll give it some thought and let you know if I can think of anything else to try. Also make sure your battery is in good shape.

[rallywagon]

Thanks man, I'll try that out in the morning, do you think that if I took it to a shop that has a computer-they can just reflash my ECU to match my key? The key
I currently have has the RFD chip inside married to the '05 ECU but I didn't think that mattered if you get a new ECU...idk thoughts?

[Red85Celica]

Subaru might be able to program the key, but I guess the car has to be towed there...and if its anything like Toyota you will need a master key to program it or any spare sub/valet keys. I am not sure if there is a way to program the key without a scan tool. Also not sure if an aftermarket shop can do it.

Just out of curiosity, can you plug the ecu that you first tried back in and try to start the car a few times, and if you have access to a code reader see if there is a diagnostic code for unmatched key code or something else.

[Red85Celica]

I wonder if subaru uses an immobiliser ecu like Toyota... It's a seperate one from the actual engine ecu.That's what the key should actually be programmed to. Sorry for the irratic thoughts here I'm thinking of this stuff sitting here on my lunch break.


I cut the two Immobilizer wires, and I rewired some other random things that needed to be rewired.
Maybe cutting the immobilizer wires was something I shouldn't have done but just let me know.


Was this done prior to trying to start the engine with the 05 LGT ECU? If so maybe reconnect these wires and retry.

are you in Dupont or Seattle? I am not even sure where dupont is...

[rallywagon]

I'm located in DuPont, and yes I've unplugged and plugged back in the LGT ECU and the STI ECU and tried it without either, after i noticed that it wouldn't crank I cut the immobilizer wires. I'd be willing to tow it to a dealer of that's what it takes

[Red85Celica]

Scan those ecu's for codes first. I'm not sure if O'Reilly or AutoZone rent scan tools or not. If I have time this week perhaps I can drive out there with mine. Might be going to pick and pull with dead91silvia so maybe we could go to the Tacoma location and then to your place if your home.

[lord flashheart]

dont send it to the dealer.


no cranking is usually fairly easy to diagnose even on swaps. because the starter is controlled by a VERY simple system.

if you have a check engine light when key is on
this means the ECU is getting power and can be connected to.
if you dont have a CEL got some wiring and fuses to check.

as far as wiring goes to crank our cars, you basically need
1) check engine light.
2) connection between battery and ignition switch.
3) connection between ign. switch and starter relay
4) connection between starter relay and starter selinoid (on starter)
5) connection between ecu and clutch switch.
6) connection between clutch switch and starter relay.
7) connection between ecu and starter relay.
8) (+) and (-) cables to the starter.
9) connection between ECU and ign. switch

[kiyo1990]

Wow bro, that is so damn impressive! May I ask where did you get the old pulley set on your car? I love it

I hope you figure out that no start. Just go back over all your connections and give it a day to to breathe and clear your mind

[rallywagon]

Scan those ecu's for codes first. I'm not sure if O'Reilly or AutoZone rent scan tools or not. If I have time this week perhaps I can drive out there with mine. Might be going to pick and pull with dead91silvia so maybe we could go to the Tacoma location and then to your place if your home.

Hey, text me tomorrow and I'll give you my address, my number is 2537208945. Also, Slav-another sl-I member is coming over tomorrow as well-we'll have a little local reunion!

[Red85Celica]

Probably will be Tuesday since that's my day off.

[rallywagon]

dont send it to the dealer.


no cranking is usually fairly easy to diagnose even on swaps. because the starter is controlled by a VERY simple system.

if you have a check engine light when key is on
this means the ECU is getting power and can be connected to.
if you dont have a CEL got some wiring and fuses to check.

as far as wiring goes to crank our cars, you basically need
1) check engine light.
2) connection between battery and ignition switch.
3) connection between ign. switch and starter relay
4) connection between starter relay and starter selinoid (on starter)
5) connection between ecu and clutch switch.
6) connection between clutch switch and starter relay.
7) connection between ecu and starter relay.
8) (+) and (-) cables to the starter.
9) connection between ECU and ign. switch


Alright, thanks man

[rallywagon]

Wow bro, that is so damn impressive! May I ask where did you get the old pulley set on your car? I love it

I hope you figure out that no start. Just go back over all your connections and give it a day to to breathe and clear your mind

Thanks man-I don't remember about the pulley set

[Red85Celica]

Legacy meet and greet and fix lol.

[rallywagon]

So since I wasn't able to get the car started I spent my time doing other things-I lowered the Tein's so there's now 10 threads left
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/image_zpsb4bd2999-1.jpg

Then I cambered the wheels and installed two 5mm spacers on each front wheel
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Getting pretty flush! Next is just to get some XXR 530's

I also installed a K&N STI Intake and I'm gonna put the COBB SF Intake on the WRX
I also installed a COBB Turbo Heat Shield...
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[Red85Celica]

I need to raise my tein coils on the front of my wagon. The tires keep hitting pulling the fender lip down. Your tires look like they are fitting nicely with camber plates.

[redlegacygt]

Looking great man, are you still using the wrx side skirts as well?

[Dead91silvia]

FYI: Thats gonna rub like a B***H when you hit a corner hard. I had the rears like that on my BD and they rubbed at 90mph in a corner... No good for me...

I might be rolling down with Brad when he goes down. Might bring my GT-B... :smile:

[rallywagon]

RedLGT- I just had one side skirt from like a 2011 STI I think-driver side. Gaurdline made a facebook post that
said whoever got to their shop first was able to pick it up for free and it just happened to fit my car nearly perfectly.
Now I just need to get a passenger side skirt and a lip.

Brad - Thanks, I pulled my fender liners so I'm sittin pretty solid
not saying that it won't rub - Dead91silvia but I'm just exploring my options - and yes, please do bring your GT-B
if you guys could make it down today that would be much better-if not tomorrow still works

[Dead91silvia]

I wouldnt run without liners... I did that with my Silvia for about a month and it killed my fenders with all the rocks getting tossed in and making reverse dents.

I'll see about the time... Brad asked me yesterday when I was coming back from my girls in Eastern WA...

[rallywagon]

alright

[chuckthefuk]

so whats the verdict with the security mode?

[rallywagon]

Still not sure Chuck, but I have a feeling that when I repinned the main relay wire, it possibly isn't connecting to the ecu because the fuel pump relay ticks when I turn the ignition on but I don't really feel the brown main relay ticking, we'll check it tomorrow when red and dead come over tomorrow.

[Dead91silvia]

Still not sure Chuck, but I have a feeling that when I repinned the main relay wire, it possibly isn't connecting to the ecu because the fuel pump relay ticks when I turn the ignition on but I don't really feel the brown main relay ticking, we'll check it tomorrow when red and dead come over tomorrow.

HAHAHAHA!!!! That made me laugh!

[rallywagon]

Haha dude you better bring the GTB, I really wanna see that thing, FYI I'm filming Steve Zakuani from the Seattle Sounders tomorrow morning so make sure to call before your thinking about coming down-it should only take a coupe hours-text me your number so I can contact you if I need to please, thanks dead

[Red85Celica]

We were going to take both wagons out there, stopping by UP garage t o h ave deads friend look at the gtb boost issue then probably going to pick and pull then your place. We will probably leave early, 8am.

[nikolaus.conrad]

We were going to take both wagons out there, stopping by UP garage t o h ave deads friend look at the gtb boost issue then probably going to pick and pull then your place. We will probably leave early, 8am.
Pics or it didn't happen :wink: Wish I could join everyone lol

[Dead91silvia]

We were going to take both wagons out there, stopping by UP garage t o h ave deads friend look at the gtb boost issue then probably going to pick and pull then your place. We will probably leave early, 8am.
Pics or it didn't happen :wink: Wish I could join everyone lol

I'll take one... :smt023

[nikolaus.conrad]

We were going to take both wagons out there, stopping by UP garage t o h ave deads friend look at the gtb boost issue then probably going to pick and pull then your place. We will probably leave early, 8am.
Pics or it didn't happen :wink: Wish I could join everyone lol

I'll take one... :smt023
You're a pal Robin :smt023

[Red85Celica]

Guess who got picked up and got to ride all the way back to his house in the gtb?

[rallywagon]

Was it Zach?

[Red85Celica]

Hahaha! I believe it was! All the east coast guys are going to be jealous.

[chuckthefuk]

who cares about gtb's when theres a BK XT in the making.

[Dead91silvia]

who cares about gtb's when theres a BK XT in the making.

LOL... I'm thinking the one with the BK XT that is not on the road yet. :smt023

[Granny]

Wow haven't looked at your build in a long time. It's funny seeing how similar our builds are. Keep up the good work.

[rallywagon]

Really considering tinting my headlights with a yellow film
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[chuckthefuk]

mmm love the shots.. going to steal these and SLi them up!

[98legwag]

So much awesomeness.

[grayguy]

Very nice pictures, please no yellow lights, they're disgusting

[nikolaus.conrad]

I like the yellow lights!! I say keep 'em! MOAR RALLY STANCE :wink:

[rallywagon]

Thanks Chuck, Granny, Nick, and Grayguy

Grayguy-sorry but I think I'm gonna have to do it-I'm all about being unique and I also think it gives the car a meaner look.

I photoshopped some more angles for you guys to see it - I want everybodies feedback before I do it though - just so I feel better about my decision

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/yellow2_zps49847a48-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/yellow3_zpsfb897628-1.jpg

Keep in mind-I'm getting Gold XXR 530's so that'll change the look

[Dead91silvia]

No Yellow! Your gonna look like a Civic!

[kiyo1990]

I say if you want yellow, do bulbs. That way you can have the look and not have a civic look at same time

[nikolaus.conrad]

Get a pair of USDM headlights and tint them yellow, or brainstorm a way to make the lenses easy to swap? Just incase if you don't like it.


Or vinyl wrap!! So you can peel it off if they clash with your wheels at all.

[Red85Celica]

Yellow city lights since the jdm projectors have them.

[Dead91silvia]

I say if you want yellow, do bulbs. That way you can have the look and not have a civic look at same time

Now thats a good idea right there!

You can do what ever you want, it is your car. I take in what everyone says, look around to see what looks good and what isnt. Sometime I do it ans there are times I dont. I'm not a fan of it, but thats me.

[Red85Celica]

But whatever you do don't use blue or red bulbs...been there done that, cops don't like it.

[grayguy]

Where I am yellow headlights are illegal (yay!) It's only legal for the fogs (boo)

[rallywagon]

I like the idea of trying it out with USDM's - that way I'm not risking anything

[rallywagon]

Alright, since I didn't receive any crank or fuel after rewiring and installing the new ECU,
I borrowed Kody Cannadays-The guy with the white lifted Legacy.
The ECU didn't make a difference so yesterday I decided to completely start over on my
B137 harness which is also merged to a very important wire coming from B135
From reading through the '05 LGT wiring schematic/manual I discovered that this one green
and red wire controls not only your fuel pump relay, but not 1 but all four ignition coils.

So, were back on a roll-I bought an '04 STI Pigtail set off ebay for $50 and pulled B137 out and
so I taped off each wire, labeled the number and in Google Docs, I typed out the Number, Color, and function
for both the LGT wires and STI wires. My car is down at a friends house in Yelm so I can't be working on it all the time,
but yesterday I got decently far.

FYI, the reason I'm using a whole new pigtail-is because it was more reliable than relying on the pins I switched around

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/pigtails1_zps06be32f6-1.jpg
I wasn't able to finish the LGT side of things because I had to get home
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https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/pigtails2_zps526d8d39-1.jpg

When I become 200% positive that I did everything correctly, I'm going to cut/solder/heatshrink/and electrical tape
and I'm going to make sure all of my grounds are good. I really hope that this solves the problem..otherwise I don't know
what else to do beside spend more money-send 2 untouched ones to Brian at iWire and end up spending another $1k...
Lets just hope that that's not the case...I'm just a guy who wants to drive his car...that's all.

[rallywagon]

So...I can't seem to make enough progress to keep my momentum going with this '04 ECU.
Honestly, it just complicates things and is waisting my time...so-Mike at PIA just told me that
he could deactivate the immobilizer system no problem-with that being said, yesterday I rewired
it all back to '05 and got rid of the '04 setup. I regained my fuel prime and crank and after the immobilizer
system is inactive-my car will spark and ultimately fire up.

Something strange...after putting everything back to '05-I plugged my test mode connectors together to see
if all the relays were clicking and what not and we found 2 things that weren't good.

1. My Check Engine Light didn't flash at all-it stayed consistently illuminated which is odd
2. My flyby wire(electronic accelerator/throttle control-whatever you wanna call it) didn't buzz like it usually does.

In the meantime with my Legacy not running-I lowered the front end on the WRX with TEIN Lowering Springs
Here's a picture just because I know you all love pictures :)

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/nice_zps4c637fc6-1.jpg

Anybody selling WRX struts with low miles-let me know. Also-any ideas on those 2 issues listed above? Thanks

[prodriver1]

yellow bulbs are European rally, Americans wouldn't understand how cool they are. they came from french road laws which said yellow lights were a little gentler on the eyes. i love the old 205 GTi's with yellow lights. over here people mistake them for being along the lines of neon underglow lighting. go yellow all the way :smt023

[Dead91silvia]

yellow bulbs are European rally, Americans wouldn't understand how cool they are. they came from french road laws which said yellow lights were a little gentler on the eyes. i love the old 205 GTi's with yellow lights. over here people mistake them for being along the lines of neon underglow lighting. go yellow all the way :smt023

Not completely true... Many Japanese vintage cars had them as well. I'm American, but my first love was Vintage Volvo's (50's-70's) and it was common to see then on Volvo's. Many people have used them over the years (lots of them in Africa). Mercedes Used they for a long time, up till the 80's. Also, how many of you remember Yellow fogs back in the 80's? I had a 84 Bronco II that had a set. It's not just a Rally thing, it was a fad that faded.

As for the solid CEL? That is normal, not odd at all. Get a scanner and see whats it for.

[prodriver1]

yellow bulbs are European rally, Americans wouldn't understand how cool they are. they came from french road laws which said yellow lights were a little gentler on the eyes. i love the old 205 GTi's with yellow lights. over here people mistake them for being along the lines of neon underglow lighting. go yellow all the way :smt023

Not completely true... Many Japanese vintage cars had them as well. I'm American, but my first love was Vintage Volvo's (50's-70's) and it was common to see then on Volvo's. Many people have used them over the years (lots of them in Africa). Mercedes Used they for a long time, up till the 80's. Also, how many of you remember Yellow fogs back in the 80's? I had a 84 Bronco II that had a set. It's not just a Rally thing, it was a fad that faded.

As for the solid CEL? That is normal, not odd at all. Get a scanner and see whats it for.
yep, fads in the 80's came from something, i have a nurburgring sticker on my car, not because I've been there but because its a cool European thing. i only know what topgear tells me as far as European laws, didn't know Scandinavian countries did it first. i only know why France did it, which would explain why some African countries did it as well.

[rallywagon]

It turns out that I have all the pieces required for the 05 setup.....John at Outback I guess didn't know what he was
talking about. The reason it won't crank is simply because the cluster(which is married to the immobilizer system)
isn't programmed for my car, so I need to take it to PIA and get it programmed to match and then I should get spark...

[chuckthefuk]

Wow.. after months of posting you finally have reassurance that what I was talking about is right.. Who would of guessed.. (sarcasm)

[Zangado1]

Yellow fog lights get my vote but not yellow headlights.......

[Garrison]

Wow.. after months of posting you finally have reassurance that what I was talking about is right.. Who would of guessed.. (sarcasm)
:smt005

[Muse]

I love the yellow lights on your car. Not many cars look right with it (God knows my wintergreen wagon would look horrible with them,) but your blue looks perfect with it.

[rallywagon]

Thanks Muse, hopefully it cranks right over when I take it in!

[rallywagon]

Just about ready to tow this thing to PIA. All that's left to do
is have Mike plug in the Subaru Select Monitor and marry the
Cluster to the ECU/Immobilizer system/key

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/02/Legacy1_zps82e16dbe-1.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/user/zachwingfield/media/Legacy-1_zps82e16dbe.jpg.html)

[Red85Celica]

Did you get you're car down to pia?

[rallywagon]

Yes I got my car to PIA yesterday and successfully everything's been married.
The ECU to Key to Key Receiver to Immobilizer system to Cluster.

We tryed cranking it over and got a great response! My car can't idle quite yet but
it wants too soooo bad.

There are 2 leaks is what it looks like -
A Fuel Leak in a line in the very rear end of the car somewhere
&
There's an Oil Leak coming from the motor somewhere
So far they're both a mystery - I can't exactly pin point them.

Also, my fly by wire isn't making any noise anymore and on the Subaru Select Monitor
it said that my Electronic Throttle Control isn't working which is really odd

Basically - my theory of why it's not firing right up and idling is because my car is
not getting enough air in the mixture and I'm losing oil pressure.

[rallywagon]

To see a VIDEO of the motor trying to start click on the link below!

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[Sub-Goon]

Congrats on all the great work and being so close to a payoff!

Did you have a HKS filter on at some point? I was thinking it was you, but maybe not. I went back thru a good number of pages, looking for a pic with one, but could only locate when you ran a red cone style.....

[rallywagon]

Thanks, no I never had an HKS Filter

[Red85Celica]

Start with fuel Zach, your worrying about to much stuff. Like I mentioned on fb check your fuel lines aren't backwards, some cars you can get the return line hooked wrong because the lines are the same.

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[slavik.86]

I agree. If you no for sure you have spark move on to fuel. Once u no for sure you have fuel on to air. If you have all 3 your car will start. Im heard of stories were people stuff intakes, turbos, ect with rags for crap not to fall in and actually forget them in there. Your main concern right now is to make sure you have the 3 essential things (fuel, air, spark) that a motor needs to start/run.

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[Dead91silvia]

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[02_Legacy]

If you are getting codes for your throttle control I would start with that. I am not too familiar with Subaru fly by wire systems but i know same systems do a quick system check when the key is first cycled by moving the throttle plate through a specific motion. Watch the throttle plate as you cycle the key to see if it moves at all. Also, you can try creating a vacuum leak to see if it will start. If it is in fact the TB not opening enough to let the engine start creating a vacuum leak will provide enough air to the engine that it should start up.

[rallywagon]

Hey guys, it was in fact the fuel lines routed incorrectly.
After fixing that my car fired and idled for a good 7 seconds!

It idled until oil pressure dissapeared....basically the driver side head gasket
was installed incorrectly so I now have to pull the motor again to fix this issue

[Red85Celica]

take your time, don't rush. get a new gasket from subaru also, don't reuse the old one. Not sure about the newer motors, but also be careful of the cam cap bolts when you break them loose...they like to round off because they are in there so f'in tight from the factory.

[98legwag]

So so close. Can't wait. Great job so far!

[rallywagon]

Super convenient - I was able to get to the driver side head by just unbolting the driver side motor mount,
taking off the intake, and jacking it up from the header. I worked on it until I got to the Cam Sprockets which
I hate oh so much. Tomorrow I'll have to rent some tools to get these things off -really wish I could take off
these heads with out taking off the cam shafts.

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[Red85Celica]

Positive the leak is not coming from anywhere else and running down the block or anything? Oil leaks can be interesting to diagnose.

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[rallywagon]

lol, I have a video upclose of oil squirting out from in between the block and the head

[nikolaus.conrad]

So excited to see this thing run

[lord flashheart]

[quote="rallywagon"]Super convenient - I was able to get to the driver side head by just unbolting the driver side motor mount,
taking off the intake, and jacking it up from the header. I worked on it until I got to the Cam Sprockets which
I hate oh so much. Tomorrow I'll have to rent some tools to get these things off -really wish I could take off
these heads with out taking off the cam shafts.

99% of ALL DOHC engines require you to take camshafts out to get head bolts out.
cant hate on them too much, since they were designed to be worked on by skilled professionals with the proper tools...

never seen it done this way. just curious...
if the jack is holding the exhaust manifold up, which is attached to the head with studs... how are you going to take the head off
with the intake and exhaust manifolds?

congrats on finally getting it started.

[rallywagon]

Thanks - It was quite simple - I lowered the motor and then put a 2x4 on the jack which then supported
just the head- I loosened up the headers on both sides and used a crowbar to push the headers down and I
used a bungie chord to hold/lift the intake manifold up. Then once I got the exhaust manifold studs out from
the headers I was able to pull the head out. Today I installed a new head gasket and slipped the head right back
in. I haven't torqued down the head bolts yet though because I'm missing a 1/2" drive - 3/8" adapter - I only
have a 1/2" drive torque wrench and a 12 point 14mm socket that's 3/8" drive

[Red85Celica]

Any progress?

[Garrison]

Dang man, I would have thought pulling the engine would have been less work. I had mine out and back in for a flywheel job in a matter of ~5-6 hours.

[rallywagon]

Sorry for not updating - that night that I wrote that last comment I had gotten that adapter and
then torqued down the head-reinstalled everything.. But I installed the timing belt wrong...
I don't know if it has to do with me staying up at 3 in the morning to get it done, but my compression
now reads: DS: 80-80 PS: 90-90 So that really really sucks...
My plan is to now pull the whole motor, take both of my heads to Delta cams to have them rebuilt
and I'm also planning on having them grind/spray weld my cams to get some power out of this to make it
some what worth it to tear down my block again... I'm not feelin to hot about this.
Should I just get EJ257 heads on craigslist instead? Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks :(

[Garrison]

Depends on if you have the manifold, ecu, headgaskets, sensors, wiring harness, etc. for the EJ257 heads just lying around. If so HELL YES! AVCS is beast!

[02_Legacy]

don't you spin the motor over by hand before starting it? It saves you from bent valves.

I think that rebuilding your heads would be the way to go because then you know everything is good. Getting used heads can go either way, you may get good ones or you may get heads that need a rebuild anyway.

[Red85Celica]

Fix the heads and leave it alone. Welding and grinding cams is gonna be $$$! That's motor tuned will have plenty of power to roll a gutted wagon around. Dead,Slav and I now have given you this suggestion.

If you change the lift or duration of the cams then you might have interference issue with stock pistons.

[slavik.86]

Your heads do have avcs and are the same as sti heads. Why buy what you already have? And why dump more money into it when it has not even been started. I have a few machine shops I can recommend you. Go get your heads fixed without spending any extra cash and get your car running. If you feel like u need cams after that then u can always plan for a new project/motor build down the road. Taking your heads to delta right now will end up costing you well over a grand. Believe me iv haf work done with them. They do amazing work buy why keep dumping and dumping more unnecessary $$ into it when its never been ran? Just my advice but hey its your cash so your call ;-)
If you need some machine shop info let me no

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[Sub-Goon]

I would do a leakdown on each cylinder! Then you will be able to make an educated guess if its the HGs, piston rings, or valves! If you get air in the coolant, its HGs. Air out the exhaust or TB, its valves. And air out the dipstick its rings. Or combinations!

My guess since you reported the same numbers on the cylinders in a bank, its HGs. So if thats true whatever you decide to do, it'll improve. But I'd hate to drop $1200 on a pair of heads, even $600, plus soft parts, only to find out my rings were giving up the ghost!

What are the numbers supposed to be on that motor?

[Dead91silvia]

Your heads do have avcs and are the same as sti heads. Why buy what you already have? And why dump more money into it when it has not even been started. I have a few machine shops I can recommend you. Go get your heads fixed without spending any extra cash and get your car running. If you feel like u need cams after that then u can always plan for a new project/motor build down the road. Taking your heads to delta right now will end up costing you well over a grand. Believe me iv haf work done with them. They do amazing work buy why keep dumping and dumping more unnecessary $$ into it when its never been ran? Just my advice but hey its your cash so your call ;-)
If you need some machine shop info let me no

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+100,000,000

Slavik has told you, I have told you, others have told you. Just worry about getting it running. Treat this motor as it has just broke a timing belt of a normal car. Do a stock re-build on the heads and leave the cams alone. Pull it out, pull the heads, take then to the machine shop, get them fixed. Done, thats it.

Doing anything to the bottom end is NOT worth it ether. Doing set of heads is easy, just a bit spendy. Dont even think about the bottom end yet. Splitting a case is not an easy task.

Also, installing cams later, is easy. So just get it running.

[rallywagon]

AlrIIIIIIiiiiight, Alright, Alright, Alright haha I will not take my car to Delta for any cam work.

Yes Slav, any good machine shops that you know of that aren't so expensive would be great to know.
I'm not going to buy EJ257 heads that was a dumb idea.

Sub-Goon: Yes, I NEED to do a leak down test, how do you suggest I do that? Is there a tool I can buy at Shucks? Should I just
have the machine shop possibly do it for me? idk what do you think?


Here's some pictures from today

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The reason I'm not getting this stuff done too quickly is because I've been doing so much video/photography
to make money to be able to afford this! Here's a shot I took yesterday in Ellensburg just to show you a little of what I do

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[slavik.86]

You can pick up a leakdown tester from harbor freight for about $30. Its not the best tester quality wise but it will do the job and you dont really need to use it very often so thats what I would buy. You have to do the leakdown test with motor still assembled and timing belt on. There are some very nice youtube videos that explain how to do it. Its simple. And the machine shop cant do a leak down test because you wanna take your heads seperatly from the block or you will have a very nice bill from them for dissasembly. There are 3 machine shops here on pacific. There is one call pacific engine and machine. They are not the cheapest but they are good and do a lot of subaru work. I had a few sets of head done by them. Down side is they are always slammed and might take you some time to get your heads back. There is a shop right behind baxters auto parts on pacific. I had them do some simple things but no head work. They will be cheaper and probobly faster. There is also a machine shop in the napa store on pacific. I can not say anything about their work because iv never used them. They should be fairly cheap tho.

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[Sub-Goon]

Doing a leakdown is pretty simple, but takes time. You need a compressor that puts out more than 100psi. The tester has 2 gauges, 1 shows the incoming pressure, you dial that to 100psi. The second gauge shows you what your cylinder at TDC is holding. If it shows 80psi, the components are holding 80% OR leaking down 20%. Then its just detective work.... cover the exhaust port with your hand and remove, if you hear noise there's a leak. Do the same with the intake. And the dipstick. The 4th thing to check is to see if you have bubbles appearing in your coolant, but you already pull your motor! I guess you could check at the waterneck, just not the thermostat side!

You could be getting a lil it from a couple or all!

Good luck! I hope to hear the good news soon!