HELP aSAP! MOMO WHEEL!

[MRLancaster]

I have BH and I am putting in a wrx momo wheel. Its gone great until we got to the aibag. The two prong airbag wire thing doesnt line up with the legacy. Anyone get past this?

[Huffer]

Yep, you got the wrong wheel/airbag combo...

You can try to splice plugs (personally I would warn against this) or you can see if the SRS charge will swap from your stock wheel to the MOMO one.

[httrdd]

I do not think the SRS will swap out. You are going to have to find on with the 3 prong and sell that one. I would also say no to splicing.

[MRLancaster]

hm... :(
Will the JDM Legacy one fit on without modifications?

[MRLancaster]

What if I found someone who's good at splicing. I wouldnt mind paying that instead of a new wheel. I wouldnt dare try splicing it myself.

[httrdd]

Here is a discussion about them and splicing although this one was about a 97 fitment.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17175&hilit=momo (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17175&hilit=momo)

[httrdd]

Oh and just take out your airbag from the Leggy and try and fit it in the Momo. If it works you are good.

[MRLancaster]

Oh and just take out your airbag from the Leggy and try and fit it in the Momo. If it works you are good.


I was wondering about that.....If i just put the legacy into the momo....but wasnt sure if that was possible. Didnt know if once you took out the airbag, then it wouldnt be able to be used or not.

[httrdd]

Yea the airbag will come out in onepiece and will not be ruined. The screws are safety torques on the side of the wheel that hold it in.

[MRLancaster]

So if i swap it wont deply on me or anything when I take it out? Just being sure

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

as long as the battery is not connected to the air bag it will not deploy. But try not to use a lot of force, because they have "sensors" in them that may go off if it is beaten on! There was a kid in the collision lab that kicked the B-Pillar of a Mitsubishi and the side air bag deployed! haha

[httrdd]

Yea disconnect the battery! All you have to do is take out the two screws from the side and it comes right out.

[Huffer]

WTH, you removed your stock steering wheel and installed a new one without disconnecting the battery?!? Crazy...

[MRLancaster]

I had the battery unplugged from the start.
I want to keep the momo piece....so i guess i swap the airbag itsself. Not the front cover....or is that not possible

[Huffer]

it likely won't fit, so dismantle the stock airbag from your old wheel and see if it will fit into the MOMO cover.

Just FYI, my 98 Legacy accepted a 2003 WRX wheel fine, except I had to swap over the cruise control stalks. But the harness was plug n play.

[dodik]

i posted in you other thread on LGT can you post pics i might be able to help, i got another airbag laying around yellow momo from 02 wrx i believe and my stock one and a few spare connectors lol

[MRLancaster]

I will take it apart tomorrow. And will post pics of everything for you

[blackstar]

this happened to me too... :smt017 .... If you look at the rear of the air bag you can see that there is a green (might be black) alignment piece to plug the connector into --> take that green plastic piece out very carefully by squeezing the two ends together and wiggle out slowly.
I ended up taking the little black piece outta my Legacy bag and put it into the WRX bag - mainly to keep the little pins aligned when I plugged the connector in.
Works great, I have no air bag light warning light when driving around
- You also could go get the little wiring harness from the WRX that plugs into the bag - then snap that one into your Legacy harness.

[MRLancaster]

this happened to me too... :smt017 .... If you look at the rear of the air bag you can see that there is a green (might be black) alignment piece to plug the connector into --> take that green plastic piece out very carefully by squeezing the two ends together and wiggle out slowly.
I ended up taking the little black piece outta my Legacy bag and put it into the WRX bag - mainly to keep the little pins aligned when I plugged the connector in.
Works great, I have no air bag light warning light when driving around
- You also could go get the little wiring harness from the WRX that plugs into the bag - then snap that one into your Legacy harness.

Yeah the legacy harness is too big to fit into the airbag on the wrx. So i wonder....If i got the wrx harness, if that would directly connect to the legacy cable. where you slide the pen down and to the right or w.e I will get pics of what im talking about

[MRLancaster]

Alright now. Hopefully now that I have a pic (2.5gt's pic) We may be able to get somewhere. https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/IMG_47341-1.jpg :smt023
So yeah, the legacy one doesnt fit into the input of the WRX airbag. But has the same yellow connector to the main wire with the green in it.

[dodik]

i got some connectors in the trunk let me go take a look they might fit but dont hold your breath

[MRLancaster]

I wish I knew what year the wheel came out of....i think a bug eye.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/03220122511-1.jpg
Heres the wheel. Dunno if that limits anything down. :/

[dodik]

looks like a bugeye wheel 02-03 iirc 04-05 had red emblems
the distance between posts is about 1/8", the widest part is about 1/4", and 1/8" in the dimple area.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/Photo0064-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/Photo00651-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/Photo0066-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/Photo0067-1.jpg

[MRLancaster]

I will check today. :D Looks like it thought. :D

How much for it, if it is?

[dodik]

if it is the right one just pm your address, im going to post office tomorrow anyway.

[dodik]

by the way is that wheel really that worn? if so take a look at my mr1 thread i managed to redo mine when i bought it

[MRLancaster]

PMd. It looks to be the exact one I need. :) If not I can return it to your address that day.

[dodik]

no worries this came from a busted seatbelt that are garbage now but i have a second one so if it doesnt work just keep on shelf till some day maybe someone else might need it

[superu]

it likely won't fit, so dismantle the stock airbag from your old wheel and see if it will fit into the MOMO cover.

Just FYI, my 98 Legacy accepted a 2003 WRX wheel fine, except I had to swap over the cruise control stalks. But the harness was plug n play.


Just browsing and came across this thread.

Huffer, do you have some info on how you swapped the cruise stalk from your 98 Leg wheel into a MOMO wheel without a cruise stalk?

I got a leggo B4 JDM Momo but when I looked closely (luckily before dismantling the stock wheel), I noticed it didn't have the cruise lever. My 95 leggo has cruise, so I'm wondering if it's an easy fix to put the cruise lever in the momo wheel. I hope bracketry is there, and all I need to do is swap parts over, but I want to be sure before I tear into it.

thanks!
-mw-

[harrymaneuvers]

I just had to do this for a 02 WRX momo that I swapped...

It had cruise control on it already but... the bracket should be the exact same... It is one of the two brackets attached by spring bolts (the one on the right of the wheel)... You will just need to take that off... take out the screws that seperate the lower bracket (that holds the cruise control lever) and the upper bracket. Screw in your stock cruise control (after you cut a hole for it) into the lower bracket, screw the two brackets back together and then spring bolt them to the wheel.

It took me about 7 minutes.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/04/DSCN1847-1.jpg


In this image you can see the two metal sections... the lower one that the cruise control is screwed to and the top section that the airbag bolts into...

You undo the two bolts that are on top (like the one that has the hex wrench inserted into it) then you undo the two screws that hold the plastic cruise control on... Once you have your cruise control removed from your stock wheel, the Momo should have the exact same Metal brackets... you might need to use the lower bracket from your stock wheel... because that one fits the cruise lever already. The lower brackets were slightly different between my 99 legacy and the Momo... but they swapped out perfectly.

[Huffer]

^^ yep, that's it. Make sure you notch the JDM wheel for the cruise stalk first, and take your time. As long as your connectors are the same, it's a breeze.

[superu]

awesomeness, thanks!

[superu]

My update (trying to run a "non- STI '98-'00" Subaru Momo wheel on a 95 legacy. *EDIT** looking at page 1, it looks like I got a WRX wheel, although I thought it was from a legacy, B4?

No go. Connectors and wheel framing not the same.

the plastic pins in the steering column (at 12 and 6 position...12 o'clock shown above metal framing) did not line up with the [non-threaded] holes in the steering wheel frame (approx 2:30 and 8:00 o'clock positions.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030108-1.jpg

95 legacy wheel framing and wiring.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030093-1.jpg

MOMO framing
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030094-1.jpg

airbag unit size and shape differences
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030096-1.jpg

Legacy airbag and horn harnesses
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030097-1.jpg

Momo AB harness (horn plug different and on steering wheel framing)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030098-1.jpg

legacy cruise bracketry in sito
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030101-1.jpg

Momo framing for cruise, and that was transferable. Successfully cut hole in plastic for cruise stalk.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030102-1.jpg

Final straw. Legacy wiring harness in rotation housing
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030103-1.jpg

cannot fit through momo framing correctly
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030104-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030105-1.jpg




SSSOOOOO, I guess I've got a 98-00 non-STI JDM, Subaru MOM steering wheel I will sell for $130 shipped (I paid $150, and have midified the housing to allow for a cruise control stalk).

[dodik]

why cant you just rotate those pins? or how do they not line up?

[MRLancaster]

thats a legacy momo, they have the silver ring

[superu]

why cant you just rotate those pins? or how do they not line up?

A: they don't line up and have a different spacing pattern (mine stubs are wider apart than the holes in the MOMO. :cry:
B: it'd make the ring (with the wiring contacts) out of allaignment. :neutral:

[superu]

thats a legacy momo, they have the silver ring

Ahh. Well that's cool, but it's deffinitely not compatible with a/my second gen (95) legacy's bits. :smt012
I tried and tried but in the end I'd have cruise, maybe a horn but no airbag...IF I could have gotten the wiring through the wheel and mount the wheel on the column.

This one'll be rebounded back on the market.

$130 shipped (hole is cut for cruise control stalk)

[MRLancaster]

thats a legacy momo, they have the silver ring

Ahh. Well that's cool, but it's deffinitely not compatible with a/my second gen (95) legacy's bits. :smt012
I tried and tried but in the end I'd have cruise, maybe a horn but no airbag...IF I could have gotten the wiring through the wheel and mount the wheel on the column.

This one'll be rebounded back on the market.


I know the WRX ones fit on 2nd gens no mods needed.
Hey Dodik, do you know if the legacy airbag will fit in the WRX wheel? That way it may work
$130 shipped (hole is cut for cruise control stalk)

[dodik]

maybe find a used clock spring mechanism from newer model? do you have u-pull yards in your area?

[MRLancaster]

Last post messed up.

I know the WRX ones fit on 2nd gens no mods needed.
Hey Dodik, do you know if the legacy airbag will fit in the WRX wheel? That way it may work

[dodik]

well outback woodgrain airbag is the same as red or yellow MOMO, legacy or standard outbacks have slightly different shape of the cover and fit but look ugly. from what i got he needs to find a new clock spring <-- not sure if the right name. for that wheel and see if he can install that.

[MRLancaster]

So is the clock spring behind the yellow cover on the hub or w.e

[dodik]

or can you swap the airbag charges? are they the same size? if so swap those between you old and new and just enlarge holes on the wheel to fit over the pins.

[geckoboy86]

I'm gonna be in the same boat superu is in. My 95 wheel is the same way and almost all momo wheels I have seen look just like the one he bought.
Crap.

[MRLancaster]

Just pick up a bugeye wrx wheel and you should be set.

[geckoboy86]

A WRX wheel will have the same issue with those pins...

It seems that some 95 BDs have a different steering wheel that have buttons for horns and have a different frame.

EDIT: After going through all the 95s in the members ride, I found out 2 things.
1. Most of those users have almost no pics
2. When they do have steering wheel pics, they have the same style wheel as superu and myself.

[superu]

maybe find a used clock spring mechanism from newer model? do you have u-pull yards in your area?

like 4.5 hours away :(

[superu]

or can you swap the airbag charges? are they the same size? if so swap those between you old and new and just enlarge holes on the wheel to fit over the pins.

That's a no-go.. airbags are different sizes, AND different plugs.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030096-2.jpg

leggo
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030097-2.jpg

MOO
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030098-2.jpg

and the holes and pins are in different places.
95 leggo:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030103-2.jpg

MOMO:
(arrows point to pin on factory connection and to holes in MOMO... not compatible.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030104-2.jpg

[superu]

maybe find a used clock spring mechanism from newer model?

Is this whole yellow plate what you're calling the clock spring?
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030103-2.jpg

At any rate, the pins in this don't line up with the MOMO (see post above) and the wiring connection from this interferes withthe MOMO's frame.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030103-3.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030104-3.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030105-2.jpg

[superu]

Just pick up a bugeye wrx wheel and you should be set.
I know the WRX ones fit on 2nd gens no mods needed.

Hmmm, got proof ;)

I'd like to see pix of those wheel's guts.

Are you talking USDM WRX bugeye? Those have momos?

[superu]

starting to seem like not as plug and play, but with enough mods it'll work ;)

My OB tranny swap sort of went that route too. . .

[geckoboy86]

Just pick up a bugeye wrx wheel and you should be set.
I know the WRX ones fit on 2nd gens no mods needed.

Hmmm, got proof ;)

I'd like to see pix of those wheel's guts.

Are you talking USDM WRX bugeye? Those have momos?

96 and up will be no issue...
95s have a different set up it seems...

superu...let me know what all you have to go through to get this to work...I'll be traveling down this same road soon enough

[superu]

96 and up will be no issue...
95s have a different set up it seems...

That figures! :smt011


superu...let me know what all you have to go through to get this to work...I'll be traveling down this same road soon enough

I don't really have the ability to go junkyarding in my area., so I might just sell it for now. not sure...
Or back-shelf it until later...
It's kind of just cosmetic bling anyhoo, so not as important as getting the car running (tranny swap) and figuring out my rear diff upgrades (also requiring some other model parts pirating)...
so don't hold your breath....

Have you gotten into yours at all yet? Do you have a MOMO, if so what do it's internals look like?
You might be the leader on this one, than I can take your advices ;)

[geckoboy86]

Have you gotten into yours at all yet? Do you have a MOMO, if so what do it's internals look like?
Nope and Nope. When I first joined SLi, I did a ton of research on wheel swaps and noticed my wheel was different from everyone elses.
All Momo wheels that I have seen so far, both USDM and JDM, all have the same internals.


You might be the leader on this one, than I can take your advices ;)
I might have to then...but I got other things as well

AC fix
Another axle -GGrrr
Power Steering Pump
Suspension Swap - WRX
Exhaust -Still trying to figure out what to put on it.

And I have 2 swaps in mind
--Impreza RS front end if this deal goes through
--Shift selector (seems like I am gonna be the first to attempt this, putting a BE auto shift selector in a BD)

After all that:
New Cluster and trim – Back to stock
LED conversion
-Turnsignals
-Cluster
-Climate control
Paint headlights
Fix Rust
New Grille

[dodik]

yes clockspring is the hole plate here is a link to one a bit expensive though
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Subar ... 230b2464ff (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-Subaru-Outback-Legacy-Clock-Spring-Clockspring-OEM-/150510789887?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item230b2464ff)

when i said swap charges i mean actually unscrew them from covers and compare
unscrew the 4 corner nuts it will come out just dont drop them as they are explosive
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/10/Photo0032-1.jpg

[MRLancaster]

Just pick up a bugeye wrx wheel and you should be set.
I know the WRX ones fit on 2nd gens no mods needed.

Hmmm, got proof ;)

I'd like to see pix of those wheel's guts.

Are you talking USDM WRX bugeye? Those have momos?


http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php ... &view=next (http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=5457&view=next)

[superu]

Yeah, you've got a list...

steering wheel bling, not a high priority for you either ;)

I just thought, after driving my wifes car for the past couple weeks, maybe I'll just put it on her bugeye OBS :smt026 :smt023



Have you gotten into yours at all yet? Do you have a MOMO, if so what do it's internals look like?
Nope and Nope. When I first joined SLi, I did a ton of research on wheel swaps and noticed my wheel was different from everyone elses.
All Momo wheels that I have seen so far, both USDM and JDM, all have the same internals.


You might be the leader on this one, than I can take your advices ;)
I might have to then...but I got other things as well

AC fix
Another axle -GGrrr
Power Steering Pump
Suspension Swap - WRX
Exhaust -Still trying to figure out what to put on it.

And I have 2 swaps in mind
--Impreza RS front end if this deal goes through
--Shift selector (seems like I am gonna be the first to attempt this, putting a BE auto shift selector in a BD)

After all that:
New Cluster and trim – Back to stock
LED conversion
-Turnsignals
-Cluster
-Climate control
Paint headlights
Fix Rust
New Grille

[superu]

So, to clarify. . . .
This thing is called "Combination switch ASSY with roll connector", as per service manual
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030103-2.jpg
and that's the first BIG incompatibility with the [Legacy] MOMO I have and my BD steering column's bits...

I'm renaming the many many PDFs to collate them into one searchable and useful PDF, and I just came across the steering wheel page, so I had to share... :smt023
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/SNAG001-1.jpg

[bobbyjimmy]

Clock Spring = Roll Connector in Subaru speak.

[superu]

geckoboy86,

you're on your own buddy, I just put my Leggo MOMO on my wife's 03 OBS. It was a total plug-n-play application (well I did need to get a pair of screws to mount the cruise stalk on the frame as hers was mounted into plastic-threaded keepers)...

03 OBS, sans airbag
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030093JPG-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030095JPG-1.jpg

"98-00 non STI, legacy B4" MOMO
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030094JPG-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030096JPG-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030097JPG-1.jpg

She'll never even notice, it's so sleeper
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/05/P1030098JPG-1.jpg

[geckoboy86]

Ok...I am thinking of attempting this alittle sooner...

I only have one question. I know I need to swap the clockspring. Are the connectors on the cluster side of the clockspring the same for all the years?
I need to know if its plug and play or do I need to do some crazy ammount of wiring.

[geckoboy86]

Ok...I am thinking of attempting this alittle sooner...

I only have one question. I know I need to swap the clockspring. Are the connectors on the cluster side of the clockspring the same for all the years?
I need to know if its plug and play or do I need to do some crazy ammount of wiring.

[superu]

I cannot help.. I did not pull that thing off the column in either car to see the downstream side's connections... That would be nice if it's just a pull it out and unplug it from another harness in the column, then swap for an IMP one...

good luck!

[geckoboy86]

Im looking at a few Impreza forums to see about earlier GC8s. Unfortunatly it looks like people are having to do a hard wire of it.

[superu]

Im looking at a few Impreza forums to see about earlier GC8s. Unfortunatly it looks like people are having to do a hard wire of it.

F that!

I would rather run a stocker wheel than deal with hard wiring and airbag.. I guess in theory it's all good, but That's a system I don't want to screw with...
just my opinion, but I'm still interested in what you find out.. You might find out about another MOMO withthe same internals as our weird 95 legacys'.

:smt023

[geckoboy86]

Ok...Did some more research on it...
At the clock spring level it will not work...Its the same connector on both ends so replacing the clockspring as a plug and play wont work.

I dont want to hardwire (same fear as you, dont want to mess with that system) so I have an idea. I might see if I can change the connector on the car side by removing the pins from the airbag connector and then putting them in my stock airbag connector.

[superu]

Ok...Did some more research on it...
At the clock spring level it will not work...Its the same connector on both ends so replacing the clockspring as a plug and play wont work.

I dont want to hardwire (same fear as you, dont want to mess with that system) so I have an idea. I might see if I can change the connector on the car side by removing the pins from the airbag connector and then putting them in my stock airbag connector.

Hmmm, count first, I think there are different numbers, but I might be remembering incorrectly...
Then research your wiring diagrams very carefully!! but it sounds like a good idea! :smt026

two plugs, one for airbag and one for cruise control...
good luck