Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I am starting the process of completely a 5 speed swap in my legacy. I have read the resources that are posted up referring to the swap, but I would like reactions from people who have done it to their cars. What would you have done different? Was there anything you would tell the next person what to do differently? Hope this can be a resource some day in the future. Thanks!

Chad

[mike-tracy]

If you're going to do the hardened shifter bushings, and/or the updated shifter linkage (for more availability of short shifters), it's a good time to do it now before the tranny is in.

[GTDrifter]

Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender

[nikolaus.conrad]

Short shifter!!

[csweston]

Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender

Id like to know more about this. I thought you just ground one of the pins on the ecu and it thinks its a manual?

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Harry I'm not getting a parts car when I have the majority of the parts.

[GTDrifter]

What all do you have...last you told me you were getting the trans and rear diff lol

Also csweston you could do it that way but I like it looking factory

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Right now I have...

Trans
Rear Diff
Clutch
Pressure Plate
Flywheel
manual starter

and for sh$$ and giggles a new alternator.

[Dead91silvia]

So you still need a pedal set, hard line, soft line, master, slave (if doing hydro), front half drive line (I think they are different)...

At least thats the parts I can think of from when I swapped my 240...

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

you can use the front axles. I am thinking about using hydraulics, so I will need a slave cylinder.

[nikolaus.conrad]

My yard is always packed, you and Harry could make a trip up here sometime. Just saying lol

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I need a pedal assembly, and an ECU from a Phase 1 EJ22 5 speed car.

[redlegacygt]

why the ecu? i know its easier but i believe some people have did some light wiring and its worked fine. They had a hard time finding an ecu.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

why the ecu? i know its easier but i believe some people have did some light wiring and its worked fine. They had a hard time finding an ecu.

I would like to do it the correct way of swapping ECUs, but if I cant find one then I will jerryrig it! lol

[r3v_v3ng3]

I don't know if the legacy's are the same but we did this on my bro's 99 impreza and he had to give up abs and cruise control (I don't know if that matters to you).

Don't you also need the 5 spd trans xmember?

[nikolaus.conrad]

There are a couple of posts about the difference between he ECUs for 5 speeds and autos but I can't remember where they are... PM Chuck, he would know. Also, why an OBDI? Your car should be OBDII lol

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I don't know if the legacy's are the same but we did this on my bro's 99 impreza and he had to give up abs and cruise control (I don't know if that matters to you).

Don't you also need the 5 spd trans xmember?

I've heard about that, and thats the reasoning for a manual ECU.


There are a couple of posts about the difference between he ECUs for 5 speeds and autos but I can't remember where they are... PM Chuck, he would know. Also, why an OBDI? Your car should be OBDII lol

I'm confused who said anything about OBD1?

[r3v_v3ng3]

The manual ecu didn't solve his problem. Its because the TCU is needed for the ABS (i think)
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f105/t86304- ... -swap.html (http://www.rs25.com/forums/f105/t86304-diy-auto-manual-swap.html)

[elislider]

im pretty sure if you swap ECUs without swapping wiring you lose ABS. the only TRUE way to do a auto->manual swap is to swap all the wiring and the ABS pump.

the psuedo "do-it-right" way is to tap the wiring/plugs that normally go to the transmission and wire in the clutch/neutral and reverse switches into the corresponding 4eat wiring, so at least you can keep reverse lights and cruise control

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

im pretty sure if you swap ECUs without swapping wiring you lose ABS. the only TRUE way to do a auto->manual swap is to swap all the wiring and the ABS pump.

the psuedo "do-it-right" way is to tap the wiring/plugs that normally go to the transmission and wire in the clutch/neutral and reverse switches into the corresponding 4eat wiring, so at least you can keep reverse lights and cruise control

I was having issues with the ABS, so I took out the ABS fuse. I'm not concerned about losing ABS, but I would like to keep the cruise control. I think I'm going to read over the legacy central thread for swapping transmissions this afternoon.

[nikolaus.conrad]

Sorry, read that completely wrong. haha

[redlegacygt]

here's a bunch of different info that i've dug up to help. its like i was saying, your ecu should work, its just a matter of the tcu/ abs. If you keep the TCU your ABS will work. To keep the cruise control, you need to wire in the neutral saftey switch so it thinks its in gear not in neutral since cruise control doesn't work in neutral... at least that's what i've gathered from the reading. Hopefully thats not too confusing.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7061 (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7061)

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6001 (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6001)


This is the motherload of all info right here. Hopefully this helps you out.

http://www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/swap/swap.html

[jjay03]

Posting here cause you guys seem the most knowledgeable yet about the swap. I have a 98lgt auto and have a complete donor car which is a 97lgt 5mt.

How much of the wiring do I swap and do I need to swap the abs block to get the abs to work correctly?
Thanks

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender

Well I'm taking Harry's advice, and I'm taking a complete drivetrain swap out of a parts car chevyman and I purchased.

[86bratman]

Chad, make sure you check the fsm for 99, where your parts car is a phase 2 the wiring could be different from the essentially phase 1 in the outback.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Chad, make sure you check the fsm for 99, where your parts car is a phase 2 the wiring could be different from the essentially phase 1 in the outback.

parts car is a phase 2 5 speed.