Headers

[subyj]

Ive been wanting a set of UEL headers for my bh outback but know nothing about them.
I hear a lot of people going with borla but are there any others out there?

Thanks

[1996Battlewagon]

Do it: http://www.speedyracer.com/exhaust-part ... -STAINLESS (http://www.speedyracer.com/exhaust-parts/headers/1999-2005-SUBARU-IMPREZA-25L-RS-SOHC-HEADER-STAINLESS)

[subyj]

Looks good and good price but are they unequal length?

[1996Battlewagon]

Yeah. Whenever you read "Borla Knockoffs", these are them.

[subyj]

Oh ok awesome

[subyj]

Have you used these?

I want that sti rumble and i heard the only way to get that is it the headers are unequal length

[1996Battlewagon]

I've owned two sets and currently am running them with a full exhaust. It sounds like a demon who found out his stock in marshmallows just dropped a dozen points right after his broker suggested a heavy investment and he's out for blood.

[subyj]

Lol nice! I think ill take your word for it and buy a set

[1055]

Ive had better luck with the dna motoring ones than the speedy racers... better fitment.

[kyledupreez]

i bought a set off of ebay fitment wasnt great but i bent them... and i think they are cracked now after 20k miles?

going to buy another set but probably spend more then a $100 this time. haha let me know if anyone has one that hasnt cracked. i was going to buy another ebay one and while they make my header back have them double the welds and beef them up or something.

[Blitzen_wishin]

Am I correct in thinking this would fit a BE?

[chuckthefuk]

yes

[Wiscon_Mark]

Pretty much will fit any non turbo EJ series motor that has dual port heads up to around 08. I believe they started changing things before the FB engine conversion. I know the '10 Legacy has an EJ motor but different heads.

[foohfooh]

what about years prior? like a 96 OB? its still a ej25. for some reason when I look at compatability things they all start in 97 (on ebay at least) anybody know the reason for this?

[chuckthefuk]

96 ob 5mt are ej22e and 96 Ob 4eat are ej25d. 97+ ob r all ej25d

[Wiscon_Mark]

what about years prior? like a 96 OB? its still a ej25. for some reason when I look at compatability things they all start in 97 (on ebay at least) anybody know the reason for this?

Because of a lack of information about earlier models, most likely.

90-95 EJ22s are dual port. 96ish-01 EJ22s are single port.
All EJ25s are dual port.

The reason I say 96ish is because 96 was a hybrid year for heads, so some may have dual port heads, some don't. It's a very simple matter of looking under the engine, it's very obvious.

[1055]

Also dont let it be forgotten that there is a difference in exhaust ports between phase 1 and phase 2 2.5's regardless of dohc or sohc.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Also dont let it be forgotten that there is a difference in exhaust ports between phase 1 and phase 2 2.5's regardless of dohc or sohc.

But there's no applicable difference in the context of headers.

[1055]

Yes there is. Especially if you're going the cheaper route. The patterns are slightly difference. Try and put phase 2 headers on a phase 1 engine or vice versa.

Ask me how I know :lol:

[chuckthefuk]

How do you know? and do u have pictures? I've run the same headers from P1 to P2 and vise versa. even the Chinese headers don't discriminate between phases.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Yes there is. Especially if you're going the cheaper route. The patterns are slightly difference. Try and put phase 2 headers on a phase 1 engine or vice versa.

Ask me how I know :lol:

I think you've just run into the typical situation most of us have: quality control is junk. I don't really believe there's any difference in the exhaust ports themselves, or the J-pipe connection.

And I've put the same headers that were on an EJ25D onto my EJ22E and then they went on an EJ251. All fit fine.

[1055]

Interesting. Back in the day when borla made real borla headers (not the cheap bullshit ones they are trying to pass off now) I purchased a set that didnt fit. They informed me that I had purchased a set designed for the phase 1 engine. It had a shallower depth (didnt clear the steering rack external lines) and the front holes were off about 5/16 of an inch on either side. I bought another p2 set and sure enough the collector was deeper and the bolt holes were different.

I dont have any pictures, this was years ago.

I also ran into this issue about a year ago with both speedy racer and dna motoring uel headers.

Maybe they were all just shitty to begin with :lol:

[kiyo1990]

I have a DNA headers set from ebay and love it. Reasonable price, good build, and perfect fit

[covaliov]

i have a dohc 2.5 engine do u think they'll fit?

[1996Battlewagon]

There's a fabricator on USMB who is now making UEL headers for both single and dual port EJs.

http://www.infernofab.com/

http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/top ... available/ (http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/134330-uel-dual-port-headers-now-available/)

Quality looks outstanding. Thought I might drop this in here.

[chuckthefuk]

i have a dohc 2.5 engine do u think they'll fit?

yes

[coreyh29645]

Ive had better luck with the dna motoring ones than the speedy racers... better fitment.
I am thinking of buying a header. I looked at the DNA site and all I see are for imprezas. Am I wrong thinking they are the same?

[Grimmrican]

I just added these headers to my BE today actually. Rest of the exhaust is still stock until next week. Just the headers alone u can hear a very small growl u kinda have to listen for it. But I had these on my BK as well and sounded awesome. I love every minute of it.

[1055]

Ive had better luck with the dna motoring ones than the speedy racers... better fitment.
I am thinking of buying a header. I looked at the DNA site and all I see are for imprezas. Am I wrong thinking they are the same?

They are the same. You can buy them off ebay listed for the legacy.

[coreyh29645]

Ive had better luck with the dna motoring ones than the speedy racers... better fitment.
I am thinking of buying a header. I looked at the DNA site and all I see are for imprezas. Am I wrong thinking they are the same?

They are the same. You can buy them off ebay listed for the legacy.
i could not find any dna headers on ebay for subarus

[1055]

Ill have to do a bit of searching. If you're local to ct I have one for sale actually. I won't ship it though.

[coreyh29645]

yup i live in ct. where are you and how much are you looking for?

[1055]

They're at my shop in milford. I live in west haven. They were used for 2k miles before I swapped my car. Asking $165

[coreyh29645]

well i would like to keep it local. i will have some $ next week. could you meet me somewhere? not sure where milford is exactly

[1055]

West haven is closer to stafford than milford. Exit 43 off 95.

[coreyh29645]

ok. i will let you know when i have the cash.

[subyj]

Wow, forgot about this thread, i got lucky and found some uel Borlas at Summit Racing, ill probably put them on in the next day or two, when ever my sce gaskets get delivered

[ScaryFatKidGT]

Get speedyracers

knockoffs you just need a crowbar and or ratchet straps to make them fit where genuine borlas should fit right up

[ScaryFatKidGT]

There's a fabricator on USMB who is now making UEL headers for both single and dual port EJs.

http://www.infernofab.com/

http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/top ... available/ (http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/134330-uel-dual-port-headers-now-available/)

Quality looks outstanding. Thought I might drop this in here.Holy crap those are more than real borlas... I wonder if the 4-1 sounds or performs different compared to the 4-2-1's

[1055]

With the power level most people are dealing with, it won't be a noticeable difference.

[1996Battlewagon]

Yeah, I doubt it would be any different in regards to power. You'd probably get less of that sewing machine sound with the USMB ones though.

[Muse]

So, I have a 1997 2.2l Brighton... I'll need single-ports, correct?

[1055]

Yes.

[Muse]

Gratzee.

[Grimmrican]

My 95 2.2 had duel ports. All original. Best thing to do is to actually look under there and confirm if its single or duel

[1055]

That's because your 95 is a phase I 2.2. anything after 96 is certainly a phase II, and dependng on build date for 96 could be either pI or pII

[Wiscon_Mark]

Technically, 96/97 was just a head redesign, not a new phase. PhaseII EJ22s started in 99. Completely different block, heads, etc.

[Grimmrican]

I was gonna say, I thought phase ii started with the 3rd gens... Something new we all learn everyday lol

[1055]

Phase II EJ22 motors are intereference, single port head motors... which we saw introduced in 1997..

[1055]

The biggest difference between phase I and phase II is interference vs non interfernce.. also dual vs single port exhaust and the vastly different valve covers

[Wiscon_Mark]

Phase II EJ22 motors are intereference, single port head motors... which we saw introduced in 1997..

See my post:


Technically, 96/97 was just a head redesign, not a new phase. PhaseII EJ22s started in 99. Completely different block, heads, etc.

Phase II was 99, not 97.

And the 3rd gen Legacys didn't have the 2.2L. EJ25 only. The phase II EJ22 only existed in the 99 Legacy and the 99-01 Impreza. It was supposedly a bored out EJ20G block, completely different than the previous EJ22E engines that were made from 90-98. Sometime around 96/97 the heads were slightly changed and the compression ratio was increased, but it was not a radical redesign.

[Grimmrican]

Derp I knew that lol. Also aren't all 2.2 eng interference?? I can't speak about the 2.5 but I can assume they are about the same difference for some exceptions such as coolant passages and bore size and whatnot. Again I'm only assuming. Don't hold me to it lol

[phi11]

anyone have a review of the OBX EL header?
I've been thinking of getting this for the new car.

[chuckthefuk]

had a few customers come in with them. after a few years the welds tend to loosen up but the sound was a bit off. its expected since its EL.. much better performance then the china UEL on ebay.. but then again OBX is china :-/

[1055]

Derp I knew that lol. Also aren't all 2.2 eng interference?? I can't speak about the 2.5 but I can assume they are about the same difference for some exceptions such as coolant passages and bore size and whatnot. Again I'm only assuming. Don't hold me to it lol

No. The phase I 2.2 is NON interference.

[Grimmrican]

Really?? At work the computer says my old 95 2.2 was interference. But then again I wonder how precise the computers are :/

[1055]

If its alldata, don't trust it. Even mitchell and autodata are full of shit sometimes.

[Grimmrican]

Well I'm not sure what the program we use is but I already know not to trust most of it. Shit usually way off

[Muse]

So, wait... 97 had different heads, but was it non-interference still or did the redesigned heads change that?

[1055]

Once the heads became single port exhaust, the engines became interference engine. They upped the compression ratio.

[1055]

Which I have always known as phase I vs phase II but wisconsin mark is saying otherwise.

[Wiscon_Mark]

So, wait... 97 had different heads, but was it non-interference still or did the redesigned heads change that?

Yes, the change in heads made them interference motors. I read that the change of the valve shape could cause them to overextend themselves and knock on something.


Which I have always known as phase I vs phase II but wisconsin mark is saying otherwise.

The guys over at LegacyCentral always referred to 99 being the second phase EJ22 and there's a lot of EJ22 knowledge there, so I always trusted them.


Really?? At work the computer says my old 95 2.2 was interference. But then again I wonder how precise the computers are :/

There's a lot of misinformation out there about Subarus. I had a well meaning shop owner try to tell me that all Subarus after 95 had headgasket problems. I tried explaining to him that it was actually the 2.5L motors and they didn't start till '96, but it was like talking to a brick wall.

[kanner95bk]

I am going to get UEL's, that's already decided. I'm just having difficulty choosing between the speedyracer ones and the DNA ones. I'd sure love some advice guys!

[Tektic]

So Just to be clear The speedy racer ebay header does fit a phase one 1995 dual port head legacy L? It clears the PS lines and subframe? Is there an eL header that fits too or does that defeat the whole purpose of this mod? The wrx one obviously doesn't fit right?

[couchfuzzy]

Yes the Speedyracer header will fit without issue on the 95, the wrx one will not tho, unless youre running a turbo motor and subframe.. you could go with any dual port EL header for subaru 2.5L, the UELs will give you the rumble.. the EL headers will sacrifice some of the rumble for more power gains.. although small on the N/A motors

[Felipe]

99 single port 2.2l Phase2 motor ftw lol

But yeah i need some uel headers :0(

[Tektic]

Thanks, I'm Thinking EL is where it's at. MPG FTW!

My other car goes fast. The wagon gets parts because I cant help my self.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Out of curiosity, where did you find EL headers for a non-turbo motor? TWE used to make them, but I haven't seen any for a long time.

[Tektic]

I haven't... I was looking at the turbo headers by mistake.

[Perkul8r]

This set I found on ebay tonight made by OBX.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-Silver-Exha ... 3f&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-Silver-Exhaust-Header-Manifold-FitFor-1997-thru-2004-Legacy-GT-2-5L-Subaru-/111346107711?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2004%7CMake%3ASubaru%7CModel%3ALegacy&hash=item19ecbec53f&vxp=mtr)