Gen2 and gen3 compatability

[Uncle Charlie]

Hi I'm a new member looking for a bit of info if any one out there can help.

I have a 2000 model gtb rfrb wagon which I believe is a gen 3 8 bolt bell housing.
Unfortunately have some issues head gasket.
I have come across a 97 gen 2 engine that will get me sorted. But it is 4 bolt bell housing and I'm unsure if it is possible to do the swap. Both cars are personal jap imports as the twin turbo models were not commonly available in Australia.

Thanks for reading

Dave

Also can you upload pic from iPad?

[Dead91silvia]

Hi I'm a new member looking for a bit of info if any one out there can help.

I have a 2000 model gtb rfrb wagon which I believe is a gen 3 8 bolt bell housing.
Unfortunately have some issues head gasket.
I have come across a 97 gen 2 engine that will get me sorted. But it is 4 bolt bell housing and I'm unsure if it is possible to do the swap. Both cars are personal jap imports as the twin turbo models were not commonly available in Australia.

Thanks for reading

Dave

Also can you upload pic from iPad?

I dont know the twin turbos motors super well, but I'm pretty sure that would be a down grade. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, the 3rd gen should be OBDII and the 97 is OBDI. not sure that it will be an easy swap. I know the turbo systems are vary different from 2nd to 3rd gen.

However, the motor will 'fit'. You would just use only 4 of the bell housing bolts, rather then all 8.

Take some pics and toss them up! Photobucket, imageshack, or Flicker is the best way to do it.

[1055]

96 was the introduction of obd2 formally, and mandated by all auto makers that distributed cars in the united states.

You shouldn't have an issue with putting a 2g motor (specifically from a 97) in your 3g. That being said, I wouldn't advise it. I would find a 3g, or newer and go from there.

[rkrenicki]

Well, he is talking about JDM imports into Australia.

We know the JDM 96 GT-B (2nd Gen) was OBD-I and the 98 (3rd Gen) was OBD-II. The only question mark is JDM 1997 model year.

[Yamazaki]

It's still a downgrade. Forget the EJ20R, get an EJ208 like your car deserves. Unless you have an A/T. Then forget the EJ20H and get an EJ206 like your car deserves.
Oh, and there was no such model as the RFRB Legacy. You have a GT-B E Tune.

[Dead91silvia]

^ This man knows his JDM cars, I would take his advise.

[Uncle Charlie]

Thanks guys I will asses my options. I'm keen to upload some pics of the car as soon as I work it out.

Yamazaki . Is it a fairly straight forward change to the 208 as suggested. ?
One mechanic said something about having to drill out the head on the gen 2 and also manifolds won't line up. It just confused me . Lol
Again many thanks.

[Uncle Charlie]

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[1055]

Well, he is talking about JDM imports into Australia.

We know the JDM 96 GT-B (2nd Gen) was OBD-I and the 98 (3rd Gen) was OBD-II. The only question mark is JDM 1997 model year.

Somehow... I completely overlooked that one sentence anout Australia. Oops :lol:

[Yamazaki]

Thanks guys I will asses my options. I'm keen to upload some pics of the car as soon as I work it out.

Yamazaki . Is it a fairly straight forward change to the 208 as suggested. ?
One mechanic said something about having to drill out the head on the gen 2 and also manifolds won't line up. It just confused me . Lol
Again many thanks.
I'm sorry, I just know numbers, models, figures, etc. I am not a mechanic and have no experience doing swaps or anything.

However, would you mind posting interior pictures? I have a feeling that your car isn't a GT-B, but a GT instead and interior pictures will confirm that for me. Better yet, what does the model code on the ID plate say (ID plate is located on the passenger side of the engine bay near the strut tower). The first five characters will be: BH5C5 followed by either a '9' or a 'C'. If it's '9', then it's a GT. If it's 'C' then it's a GT-B (E tune). Since you inferred your car is a manual, then the last character should be 'D'. If it's a 'P' or 'T', then your car was originally an automatic ('T' being sportshift and 'P' being the regular 4EAT).

While you are looking at the ID plate, take a look at your engine code. That's the engine that I would suspect would give you the least trouble with a swap since it should be a plug-and-play (i.e- that's the engine you have now). But if you're going through all that trouble in the first place, why not just replace the headgasket on your current engine?

[Uncle Charlie]

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[Yamazaki]

Okay. You have a '98 GT wagon. Automatic transmission. You aren't looking for an EJ208, you are looking for an EJ206. As long as you stick with a '98 or '99, the engine will be plug-and-play. There were some changes with the '00, and I don't know if it changed enough to make a difference with wiring compatability.

[Uncle Charlie]

Thanks for your help. I'm not gonna bother with the 97 engine. The mechanic here has a in guy in japan (i think) that buys the cars then removes the engines and ships a container here. He reckons the buyer there will get what I want. Should I be asking him to look out for a 98-99 EJ206?
Thanks again

[Yamazaki]

Okay, I just looked up your engine information (I don't have those memorized like the model codes). You actually have a GT-VDC (which is kind of cool). That's what the 'S' means at the end of your engine code whereas everybody else has an 'E' (I'm speaking about Japanese-spec vehicles). So while I'm fairly certain that any '98~'99 EJ206 should work without any problems, I am not certain about your VDC system. I know that the VDC system does some engine control, but I don't know the "nuts and bolts" of the system and how it interacts with the engine.

I still don't understand why you wouldn't just replace the headgaskets on the engine you have now.

[Uncle Charlie]

Well now I know where the badge came from. It was in the car when I bought it , under back seat. I didn't know there was a GT VDC model. Thought the badge maybe from another car , there was a lot of crap in it lol.


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Rebuilding the original engine was the plan. But the price from mechanics here is extreme. (Quotes to rebuild $4500-$6500aus. &. Just fix head gasket up $3500 if heads don't need work))I found the engine from the 97 model on eBay for well under half. I wanted an easy semi cost effective swap to keep the car on the road, and get a decent rebuild done when funds permitted.

I think you're right the fixing of it will be the way to go. I'm gonna have to wait till I find the right mechanic and got enough cash

Are these really that costly to work on?
Thanks