Single Port UEL Headers

[Biggoose]

Does anyone have any clue where I might be able to find any UEL headers for an EJ22, I've been looking everywhere and can't seem to find anything, I've been able to find plenty of the dual port headers but none that are just single
If anyone can help me find some or give me some advice on where to get them, or even if anyone is selling them, please let me know; thanks

[ctbrighton]

Did you try google

Inferno fab

[Wiscon_Mark]

I believe speedyracer (ebay brand of knockoffs) had something at one time, but they're very hard to come by unless they're custom fabricated.

[nepbug]

I think infernofab's website is gone now, but they still are selling on eBay. It's actually a guy from over on USMB (sube101) that does them.
http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/top ... ated-post/ (http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/137850-uel-single-port-headers-updated-post/)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/subaru-2-2L-sin ... e4&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/subaru-2-2L-single-port-UEL-exhaust-headers-stainless-/221615818724?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3ASubaru&hash=item33995507e4&vxp=mtr)

Edited to add:
Oh and hey, Northglenn! I lived in Northglenn for 12 years of my childhood and my parents live there still.

[Biggoose]

Thanks; man I wish I had the dual port heads, that'd make this so much easier, and cheaper

And yeah I've lived here in Northglenn all my life lol

[Reason]

The single port UEL's sound better than the duals

[Wiscon_Mark]

I believe those a ton better quality than the eBay knockoffs, which are the only things cheaper than $260. Real Borla UEL dual port headers cost over $300 and still had issues.

[Biggoose]

So I guess with what you all are saying, those custom ones on ebay are probably my best bet.
Well, I guess I know where my next paycheck is going

[Reason]

The cheap headers are crap. Thin walls, shitty stainless steel, thin flanges, sometimes don't fit correctly and some warp and or crack. Save and buy better headers.

[Biggoose]

The cheap headers are crap. Thin walls, shitty stainless steel, thin flanges, sometimes don't fit correctly and some warp and or crack. Save and buy better headers.

Ok, so is there anyone who makes them or would i have to have them custom made?

[Reason]

This looks better than the knock of Borla Chinese crap that is being sold.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/221615818724?_mwB ... rmvSB=true (http://m.ebay.com/itm/221615818724?_mwBanner=1&rmvSB=true)

[Biggoose]

Ok, well from what i can find these seem to be some of the only ones I can find so I'll probably end up going with them

[Wiscon_Mark]

The cheap headers are crap. Thin walls, shitty stainless steel, thin flanges, sometimes don't fit correctly and some warp and or crack. Save and buy better headers.

Ok, so is there anyone who makes them or would i have to have them custom made?

I believe Shane was talking about the speedyracer models that I referenced, not the one you were looking at that's $300ish shipped (looks like he linked the same one).

[Biggoose]

Ok, thats what I had thought but wasn't sure

[Reason]

Mark is correct

[leggyD]

I bought those single port equal length headers from sube4x4 (ebay inferno labs). They are really good quality. The4 dudes at the muffler shop were very impressed when i brought it in

[Biggoose]

Ok, well sounds like I'm gonna have to get myself a set of these

[Wiscon_Mark]

You've actually got me jealous - I haven't seen UEL dual port headers that nice in a loooong time.

[Biggoose]

So if I am going to buy these, should I get a high flow cat?
I notice it says these collect into 2 1/4" piping, and I am pretty sure my stock is 1 7/8"

[LeggyxPower]

i was just going to say make some headers.... thats what i did , now they are just laying around...they are in no means perfect, but they do the trick

[Biggoose]

I would make some myslef but I don't know how to weld nor do I know anyone who can weld

[Wiscon_Mark]

So if I am going to buy these, should I get a high flow cat?
I notice it says these collect into 2 1/4" piping, and I am pretty sure my stock is 1 7/8"

You can probably get away with your stock cats, but if you want to do cats at the same time, I'd go with a universal high flow setup and have an exhaust shop weld the piping & bungs for the o2 sensors up - the Stromung high flow cat reduces the flanges to fit the stock exhaust (even though it's 2.25") so you'll end up with $350 spent while retaining the same exhaust restrictions.

And yes, stock is 1 7/8ths" on N/A Subarus.

[Cooper197]

This looks better than the knock of Borla Chinese crap that is being sold.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/221615818724?_mwB ... rmvSB=true (http://m.ebay.com/itm/221615818724?_mwBanner=1&rmvSB=true)

I have a set of these and can say that they seem to be very well made. I'd buy another set if I got a different car, and I'm sure I won't have to otherwise.

[USDM96SLI]

I actually just received two sets from this guy and im impressed as well. very nice guy, easy to work with, no one else makes them custom at least super hard to find. bends are all nice, welds are welded all around, very smooth and even welds too. craftsmanship is clear.

[Biggoose]

Ok, so I think I'll be ordering these this weekend, but I've just got one more question, do they just bolt right up to the stock piping or does it need to be modified, and will it need new gaskets?

[nepbug]

Bolt right up. I'm not sure if it comes with gaskets.

To muddy the waters more, the same guy sells equal length headers too. So, if you want more performance, but less rumble, those are an option.

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[Wiscon_Mark]

Looks like he does dual port setups as well (although only UEL).

Any opinions on "mild steel" vs. Stanless, guys?

[Biggoose]

So about how big would be the performance difference between the uel and the el?
would it be something noticeable or just something very minimal?
because if its not a big difference I'll probably go with the uel

[nepbug]

There is a thread on RS25 (or NASIOC, or maybe both) that has dyno plots for UEL and EL for comparison, for a dual port EJ25 at least.

The EL did offer a much better improvement.

Off the top of my head and probably not entirely accurate I want to say the numbers were:
Stock headers: 102 whp
UEL Header : 106 whp
EL Headers: 120 whp

If you don't have a strong desire for the UEL sound or strong dislike of the EL sound, then I would recommend going EL.

I've got a set of UEL I will be installing soon, but I actually might be selling them to get a set or equal-length headers.

[Kingbuttmonkey]

He is on FB, Inferno Fabrications.

[Biggoose]

So if I were to decide that I want to turbo my car, would it be possible to still use these headers and run a turbo?

[nepbug]

So if I were to decide that I want to turbo my car, would it be possible to still use these headers and run a turbo?

Yes, but you would have to fabricate a custom uppipe and maybe a custom downpipe.

Supercharging might be a better choice for forced induction on your car, unless you have a donor turbo engine/car that you are swapping in. Absolutely no exhaust changes needed to supercharge.

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[Biggoose]

Supercharging might be a better choice for forced induction on your car, unless you have a donor turbo engine/car that you are swapping in. Absolutely no exhaust changes needed to supercharge.

Ok, so I don't really know too much about superchargers, I somewhat know how they work, but I wouldn't know which one to get.
And another small problem I have with supercharging my car is I'm pretty sure superchargers are considerable more expensive than turbos, am I right on that, or do I just not know what I'm talking about? haha

[nepbug]

Ok, so I don't really know too much about superchargers, I somewhat know how they work, but I wouldn't know which one to get.
And another small problem I have with supercharging my car is I'm pretty sure superchargers are considerable more expensive than turbos, am I right on that, or do I just not know what I'm talking about? haha

It all depends, are you comparing a new supercharger kit to a used turbo setup? Then yeah, turbo is cheaper. If you compare a used supercharger setup to a new turbo kit, then the SC is cheaper.

Used vs used and new vs new setups will run similar costs, with SC builds being a little cheaper, but might be a bit more challenging because there are less examples out there (though there are several supercharger Subaru builds out there).

If you go with a used supercharger the one you want will be an Eaton M62 with the short snout/electronic clutch, this is the most compact version and fits inthe engine bay without much hassle. They were in some of the Mercedes C-class Kompressor vehicles, $300-$500 on eBay.

[Biggoose]

If you go with a used supercharger the one you want will be an Eaton M62 with the short snout/electronic clutch, this is the most compact version and fits inthe engine bay without much hassle. They were in some of the Mercedes C-class Kompressor vehicles, $300-$500 on eBay.

SO would something like this be worth taking a look at?
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4887899767.html

[nepbug]

SO would something like this be worth taking a look at?
http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4887899767.html

Well dang, that has damn near everything. You would still need to upgrade your fuel pump and figure out fuel delivery (might be as simple as a raising-rate fuel pressure regulator) and possible an ECU tune.

You could possibly cobble together a similar kit for less, but not much less and at a greater hassle. Definitely worth considering, but I'd read up a lot more first before committing.

Start reading here:
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f7/t107101-so-you-want-supercharge-your-subaru.html

[Biggoose]

Well dang, that has damn near everything. You would still need to upgrade your fuel pump and figure out fuel delivery (might be as simple as a raising-rate fuel pressure regulator) and possible an ECU tune.

You could possibly cobble together a similar kit for less, but not much less and at a greater hassle. Definitely worth considering, but I'd read up a lot more first before committing.

Start reading here:
http://www.rs25.com/forums/f7/t107101-so-you-want-supercharge-your-subaru.html


OK thanks for the info, I'll for sure do my research before I do anything, but it sounds to me like I'm gonna be going with a supercharger rather than turbo

[nepbug]

OK thanks for the info, I'll for sure do my research before I do anything, but it sounds to me like I'm gonna be going with a supercharger rather than turbo
Oh, and those intake and output ports that he has may or may not work with your engine bay, you might have to make up some custom ones, that would be a visit to a machine shop.

[Biggoose]

Oh, and those intake and output ports that he has may or may not work with your engine bay, you might have to make up some custom ones, that would be a visit to a machine shop.

Ok, I'll keep that in mind

[nepbug]

Biggoose did you get my PM? I think I might have forgot to send actually hit the send button. Since I now realize how close you are I might have something you're interested in.

[Biggoose]

Biggoose did you get my PM? I think I might have forgot to send actually hit the send button. Since I now realize how close you are I might have something you're interested in.

No, I didn't recieve a PM from you,

[Butters32]

Hey guys! This is a great thread. I'm actually looking at getting a full exhaust system for my 1996 Outback (2.2 5MT). I'd want to keep it emissions legal here in Seattle. Dunno if that means I'll need to run with two cats. I'd like to shave some weight, too.

The Inferno Fab stuff looks great! My sticking point is whether to go with UEL or EL. I really do LOVE the boxer rumble that comes with UEL headers but if the performance gain of 20hp over stock (if indeed that IS true) is hard to pass up. Is that WITHOUT an ECU tune?

Anyone have any experience with both types?

[Biggoose]

So finally I decided it was time to place my order, I'll post up some pictures when I get them installed
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2015/04/Screenshot_20150402231040_zpssks9sbagpng-1.jpg (http://s1370.photobucket.com/user/szczepanskisteven14/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-04-02-23-10-40_zpssks9sbag.png.html)

[Wiscon_Mark]

Hey guys! This is a great thread. I'm actually looking at getting a full exhaust system for my 1996 Outback (2.2 5MT). I'd want to keep it emissions legal here in Seattle. Dunno if that means I'll need to run with two cats. I'd like to shave some weight, too.

The Inferno Fab stuff looks great! My sticking point is whether to go with UEL or EL. I really do LOVE the boxer rumble that comes with UEL headers but if the performance gain of 20hp over stock (if indeed that IS true) is hard to pass up. Is that WITHOUT an ECU tune?

Anyone have any experience with both types?

UEL increases power somewhat and gives you that "rumble" that we love so much. EL is better for performance - well designed EL headers can net big gains when combined with other mods that let the engine breathe (cams, PnP heads, etc). Without, I'm not sure there's a significant difference.

As far as emissions go - you'll need to keep 2 cats if they do a visual inspection. It's possible to pass a sniffer tests/CEL test with a good quality high flow single cat though. BTW - cats aren't really that heavy, so I wouldn't try to eliminate a cat just to shave weight off.

[lancerswimmer89]

Like he said, without headwork and cams, there isn't really going to be a noticeable difference in power between EL and UEL headers on our engines. I've run both setups on my car, and love my UEL cuz of the sound. If I decided that I wanted to get cams and better flowing intake manifold, i would deff go back to a EL. But if you're just rocking the bolt ons, a UEL is just fine.

[Swaggon]

Whats the deal with people saying that UELs rob power? I know that you would get more power gain from aftermarket EL headers but I thought well made aftermarket UELs should let you gain a little power even if it is less that ELs.

[nepbug]

Whats the deal with people saying that UELs rob power? I know that you would get more power gain from aftermarket EL headers but I thought well made aftermarket UELs should let you gain a little power even if it is less that ELs.

Yeah, there are dyno plots around. UEL gives you 2-3 WHP and EL gives you 14-20 WHP IIRC.

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