Looking to possibly buy a 2006 Legacy GT with a manual

[Zangado1]

A small dealership around my area have a 2006 LGT for sale. Very clean second owner with 86.000 on it. Clean Car Fax as well. What kind of Subaru specific things should I be looking for even though there is no modifications done to the car at all? They are looking to get $13.000. I think the are high with that price as well.

[98legwag]

I would ask for a compression and leak down test. Also if it has the banjo bolt filter, it needs to go.

[Zangado1]

I would ask for a compression and leak down test. Also if it has the banjo bolt filter, it needs to go.
Thanks,is the banjo bolt filter visible without tools? I know it is the oil feed line for the turbo and it seems to be an issue with these LGT's

[98legwag]

Thanks,is the banjo bolt filter visible without tools? I know it is the oil feed line for the turbo and it seems to be an issue with these LGT's

To be honest, I am not sure since I have an H6. Someone with a GT should be able to answer that.

[86bratman]

It's barely visible, and all but inaccessible without removing the uppipe support bracket. I can probably snap a couple pics on my 05 tomorrow.

[Zangado1]

It's barely visible, and all but inaccessible without removing the uppipe support bracket. I can probably snap a couple pics on my 05 tomorrow.

Thank for your efforts. I would like to see what it looks like so I know what to look for. It just seems too good to be true to find this car with 86.000 miles on it. The Car Fax is not listing too much service history in detail. Curious if the turbo has been replaced or not since reading through the forum it seems to be an issue early on with these models.

[86bratman]

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This is on my 05, we're looking at the back of the head directly in front of the turbo. As you can see the stud on my uppipe snapped when I was removing the bracket to get to this stupid banjo bolt. Not a huge worry to me because the other bracket is intact and I've been running both this car and my swapped 97 without the smaller bracket.

[86bratman]

Also the biggest issue with the vf40 is it has a tiny impeller shaft, that coupled with poor oil supply from a clogged banjo bolt and not having a strict oil change schedule using synthetic oil is what takes them out.

[Huffer]

The banjo bolt is also sometimes called a mesh filter... basically it clogs up and starves the turbo of lubrication (and cooling) and KABOOM.

Other than that, it's a turbo AWD car - what else would be wrong? At 80k, it should have had a t-belt and other accessory belts and filters changed, and you should also check for clutch engagement. Very likely it was purchased by someone in their late 50s, who now cannot drive a manual car and probably traded it.

Check for sludge around the drain pan, rear diff plugs, on the axles etc. Look for weird scuff marks on the wheels, or brake dust staining - that usually points to someone who hasn't done either tire rotations, or doesn't wash the car.

[Zangado1]

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This is on my 05, we're looking at the back of the head directly in front of the turbo. As you can see the stud on my uppipe snapped when I was removing the bracket to get to this stupid banjo bolt. Not a huge worry to me because the other bracket is intact and I've been running both this car and my swapped 97 without the smaller bracket.

Thanks for the photo. I thought that is what it looked like the banjo bolt. Gotta dig in there to look for that at this dealership.

[Zangado1]

The banjo bolt is also sometimes called a mesh filter... basically it clogs up and starves the turbo of lubrication (and cooling) and KABOOM.

Other than that, it's a turbo AWD car - what else would be wrong? At 80k, it should have had a t-belt and other accessory belts and filters changed, and you should also check for clutch engagement. Very likely it was purchased by someone in their late 50s, who now cannot drive a manual car and probably traded it.

Check for sludge around the drain pan, rear diff plugs, on the axles etc. Look for weird scuff marks on the wheels, or brake dust staining - that usually points to someone who hasn't done either tire rotations, or doesn't wash the car.
Great points...Thanks for your opinion. I would have thought the T belt is a little later in the service to do list like around 100.000. But im going to see if there are any markings under the hood or service decals.

[Zangado1]

Glad I stayed away from that LGT I was looking at. Under the hood all of the plastic fasteners were missing holding the engine cover on top of the motor. And the plastic air intake that fastens to the upper radiator shroud were also missing. The trans was hard to engage between gears as well. I also notice where the front seats fastened to the floor on top of the carpet it was rusted real bad. Shady car for sure. I thing the car fax was photo shopped! Thanks guys im still looking....

[Alphius]

Just to add, timing belt service is not only mileage based but also age as it is a rubber component. Rule of thumb on a Subaru (backed up by the owner's manual) is 105,000 miles or 105 months. So a 2006 should've had the timing belt replaced once already regardless of mileage.

[Zangado1]

Just to add, timing belt service is not only mileage based but also age as it is a rubber component. Rule of thumb on a Subaru (backed up by the owner's manual) is 105,000 miles or 105 months. So a 2006 should've had the timing belt replaced once already regardless of mileage.

So difficult to find one of these cars that has not been modified. The service records were not available for the car either. It started out in Florida until it hit 20.000 miles then went to upstate New York. It had 86.000 on it and they wanted $13.000 for it. I think it was previously modified and someone put all the factory components back on it to get the better trade in value. Im on my second timing belt now on my BK and the car has 266.000. Im looking at 06 and 07 WRX/STi's now as well. Im learning to be patient.

[Alphius]

On your 95 BK, if you've changed the t-belt at 105k and 210k, and it is 20 years old, you're averaging quite a bit more than 105 months between changes. Of course on that car, if the belt breaks it's simply an inconvenience since it is non-interference. I knew of a one-owner Subaru one time that was still on it's original timing belt with 220k miles and 13 years of use, so maybe they are a bit overbuilt. ;)

Patience is a virtue, especially when you're looking for a nice, unmodified turbo Subaru! I have confidence you'll find what you are looking for eventually. I would much rather have a well-sorted, comfortable, quick LGT over an STI, but that's just my personal preference.

I just picked up a clean title, never modified 05 Legacy GT Limited with 131k miles for $3,000. The downside is that it has a 5EAT automatic, a bad turbo and spun rod bearings. I've torn down the engine and just waiting on my new turbo and shortblock to arrive for reassembly. They do seem to fetch quite a high price in nice condition, especially here in the PNW.

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[Zangado1]

On your 95 BK, if you've changed the t-belt at 105k and 210k, and it is 20 years old, you're averaging quite a bit more than 105 months between changes. Of course on that car, if the belt breaks it's simply an inconvenience since it is non-interference. I knew of a one-owner Subaru one time that was still on it's original timing belt with 220k miles and 13 years of use, so maybe they are a bit overbuilt. ;)

Patience is a virtue, especially when you're looking for a nice, unmodified turbo Subaru! I have confidence you'll find what you are looking for eventually. I would much rather have a well-sorted, comfortable, quick LGT over an STI, but that's just my personal preference.

I just picked up a clean title, never modified 05 Legacy GT Limited with 131k miles for $3,000. The downside is that it has a 5EAT automatic, a bad turbo and spun rod bearings. I've torn down the engine and just waiting on my new turbo and shortblock to arrive for reassembly. They do seem to fetch quite a high price in nice condition, especially here in the PNW.

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Awesome find....I would rather find an LGT myself unmolested but it is hard. Especially a wagon (both in a manual as well) The wagons in a manual LGT are like a unicorn! The WRX/STI's are more available here in my area. Im seeing a lot of unmolested ones at small dealerships for sale. I feel a lot more secure buying one of these cars from a dealer since they have so many hidden issues like banjo bolts for one. I heard a story of a guy who bought an 06 LGT private and after he had the oil changed a week later after the purchase there was a rod knock. Here he found out the previous owner put a heavy weight oil in it just to sell it. Im keeping my BK for my daily/work car. But after selling my S60 Volvo im ready for another Subie but turboed.

[Zangado1]

Good news. Found an 05 LGT "Limited" sedan in REGAL BLUE PEARL. Only two upgrades that I can notice from a good inspection being a SPT short intake. And a Invidia down pipe. All else looks stock on the car including the exhaust and suspension. Have all the service records from the previous owner so im pretty comfortable with the purchase. 100.000 it just turned and the timing belt is a gates put on at 91.000. I will have pictures sometime next week after they put on new Fel-Pro valve cover gaskets that are barely an issue but were brought up by the service manager. Im making them put them on to seal the deal. Im just wondering why every LGT I have have looked at that the top plastic engine shrouds are always unfastened with no hardware. Is this the norm to have these unfastened? Thanks guys....:smt048

[Alphius]

Nice to hear you found one! Can't wait to see some pictures. My engine cover was unfastened too... I think people for some reason lose the clips. Doesn't make sense to me either. There's 4 clips and they are $2.10 each at my local dealer so I ordered them up along with all my gaskets. Part number is 909130051 if you are interested.

Mine sitting next to my friend's 08 Spec.B and my 99 Legacy GT with a turbo swap and 6-speed.
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80k mile 2011 STI shortblock going in, along with 15k mile rebuilt heads and a 3k mile VF40. All new gaskets. Should be a good engine.
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[Zangado1]

Nice to hear you found one! Can't wait to see some pictures. My engine cover was unfastened too... I think people for some reason lose the clips. Doesn't make sense to me either. There's 4 clips and they are $2.10 each at my local dealer so I ordered them up along with all my gaskets. Part number is 909130051 if you are interested.

Mine sitting next to my friend's 08 Spec.B and my 99 Legacy GT with a turbo swap and 6-speed.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2015/01/aNn1VTYh-1.jpg

80k mile 2011 STI shortblock going in, along with 15k mile rebuilt heads and a 3k mile VF40. All new gaskets. Should be a good engine.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2015/09/ChTwKNdh-1.jpg

Awesome! Thanks for the part numbers for the cover. Im reading up on all the possible issues that these 05-06 LGT's have. Seems like the "Banjo Bolt" is the most common issue. Looks like frequent oil changes are the way to go with these cars. The previous owner on the car fax has Subaru dealer oil changes out the wazzooo! It seems that the passenger side valve cover gasket and CV boot give out frequently as well from the heat pumping off the turbo. And wheel bearings are a common failure too. This car has a recent new clutch and also had the 5 speed repaired back in 07 at the Subaru dealer when it was in double digit miles which tends to show up as an issue in some cars. But this trans is smooth and silky for sure. Subaru Dealer maintained from the day it was purchased and im getting all the original invoices from this Ford dealer im buying it from when I pick up the car this week because the original owner is a friend and business associate and traded it in for a new SUV. I don't see any red flags that's why I pulled the trigger! I just saw a LGT in my area on Craigs List that has the STI swap. It must be a Subie wet dream come true! http://delaware.craigslist.org/cto/5205274335.html

[98legwag]

Wheel bearings can be an issue too. But the hub/bearing assembly on the 4th gen is a bolt on part.

[86bratman]

I forgot about the wheel bearings, my 05 needed both rears done when I bought it @ 129k. They aren't that hard for a diy'er I probably have about an hour and a half in each side.

[98legwag]

Yeah, the 05-06 were really bad. It was "redesigned" for 07. From what I have heard it was bad enough that Subaru would replace bad rears on 05s and some 06s up to 100k or 8 years under warranty.

[Zangado1]

Yeah, the 05-06 were really bad. It was "redesigned" for 07. From what I have heard it was bad enough that Subaru would replace bad rears on 05s and some 06s up to 100k or 8 years under warranty.

So now I have found out my car has a up pipe and down pipe both Invidia. My check engine like came on and it is a P0420. My Subie Guru said I need to buy an access port to be able to use the car to a reliable state and eliminate codes and monitor the vehicles performance. These cars are finicky with bolt on's so he said it was a good idea to use it and be informed. Anybody have any good info or direction to go in regarding these Cobb or Perrin etc programmers?

[86bratman]

Personally I would spend the money on a tactrix cable and an e-tune from one of the vendors on legacygt.com before I would spend money on an accessport. the Cobb ots maps are too generic, and it costs more money to get a Cobb protune than an open source protune.

[Zangado1]

Personally I would spend the money on a tactrix cable and an e-tune from one of the vendors on legacygt.com before I would spend money on an accessport. the Cobb ots maps are too generic, and it costs more money to get a Cobb protune than an open source protune.

Im lost on the tactrix cable and an e-tune? This form of tune is better and cheaper than the Cobb or Perrin equipment available? Still safe and reliable as well?
This is all new to me coming from a BK with a 2.2 N/A

[86bratman]

Do a google/yahoo search for subaru open source tuning, you'll find a lot more resources than I can spout out for you. The e-tuning route is a little more involved from the users perspective, but you get a tune that is custom mode for your car, your mods, your fuel availability, and your altitude than what you'll get from a Cobb off the shelf tune.

[Zangado1]

Do a google/yahoo search for subaru open source tuning, you'll find a lot more resources than I can spout out for you. The e-tuning route is a little more involved from the users perspective, but you get a tune that is custom mode for your car, your mods, your fuel availability, and your altitude than what you'll get from a Cobb off the shelf tune.
Thanks im going to look into this a little more to learn the options to what is available and what im getting into....

[Zangado1]

Looking for some swap/conversion info for the 05 LGT suspension. What years of WRX/STI strut shocks will swap over? The thread on "Threads Of Note" here is not available. Thanks...

[86bratman]

None are a direct swap, and honestly not worth it. There are as many suspension options for the 4th Gen legacy as there are for the wrx/sti platform.

[Zangado1]

769 im going to search for a new set of Bilsteins or Koni's with a set of springs as well. Your right,There is no sense in going the "Save a buck" route with all of the options available for these cars that I am starting to see online.

[86bratman]

Check on upgarage.com for used jdm Bilstiens, they're generally cheaper than you'll find usdm sets even after shipping to the states. When I get around to the suspension on my car that's probably where I'll be shopping.

[Zangado1]

Check on upgarage.com for used jdm Bilstiens, they're generally cheaper than you'll find usdm sets even after shipping to the states. When I get around to the suspension on my car that's probably where I'll be shopping.
Nice link....Just found out today when I did my oil change at the dealer that my car has no Cat on it. It has the Invidia up/down pipes without the Cat going back to the factory exhaust that the previous owner put back on when he traded it in. In my state of Pennsylvania we have an inspection every year along with an emissions test. Im being told by the dealership that the only way around having no cat is using the car for less than 5000k a year to be qualified for an "exempt" sticker. Do the access port units trick the test in anyway or am I forced to buy some type of Cat that can be put in and taken out once a year to pass this stupid testing?

[86bratman]

I've heard of catless tuned cars passing emissions tests, but if they do a visual inspection you'll fail hands down.

[Zangado1]

I've heard of catless tuned cars passing emissions tests, but if they do a visual inspection you'll fail hands down.

Im thinking with all of my tuner shops around me and some other local car crazy peeps. I might be able to find a local shop that can slip me through. Or maybe just get a low back preasure high flow cat that can be easily removed when need be. I have an awesome exhaust guy near me that I have been using over the years that will do that work for sure. What is your thoughts on a Cobb V2 used vs buying a used or new V3?

[Alphius]

Wow, that looks really nice!

Except for the tan interior. ;)

[86bratman]

I honestly haven't looked much into the features of the accessport versions. I like my tuning like I like my phones, open source lol.

[Zangado1]

Wow, that looks really nice!

Except for the tan interior. ;)

Thanks. It's already been a bitch trying to wipe down everything to clean from the previous owner. The A/C is smelling kind of stale as well. Going for a cabin filter this upcoming Saturday. It's funny how my friends are thinking my 95 BK is now for sale since I got this LGT. Sorry not giving that car up either. Subie addiction is official!

[Zangado1]

I honestly haven't looked much into the features of the accessport versions. I like my tuning like I like my phones, open source lol.

Im still reading up on all the tuning options and hand helds as well. Im happy to hear about the reliability factor with these tunes over years and miles later. But at the moment I have a check engine light that is a P0420. Im kind of scared to drive the car knowing that if another code is thrown from something else like a turbo or oil issue im not going to know about it and it could turn catastrophic. This why my next purchase is going to be a Cobb V2-V3 unless I can get the time to get to a local tuner shop like http://rttuning.com/ to plug into my port and tell me if im safe to drive the car since it had a Cobb access port married to it from the previous owner who already sold it im being told from the Ford dealer I got the car from. Or maybe they can do an open source protune like you 86bratman have been saying?

[86bratman]

I have one of these, https://www.scantool.net/obdlink-lx.html, and an app on my phone that communicates with the reader in real time. I can monitor everything the Cobb can, but on any car I choose to plug that adapter into. I can read my 05, 99, the wife's fusion, or any of my friend's obd2 compliant cars because it's not married to one car. There are cheaper adapters on eBay but the quality control sucks, I went through 3 10 dollar pos adapters before I said screw it and bought a good one.

[Zangado1]

I have one of these, https://www.scantool.net/obdlink-lx.html, and an app on my phone that communicates with the reader in real time. I can monitor everything the Cobb can, but on any car I choose to plug that adapter into. I can read my 05, 99, the wife's fusion, or any of my friend's obd2 compliant cars because it's not married to one car. There are cheaper adapters on eBay but the quality control sucks, I went through 3 10 dollar pos adapters before I said screw it and bought a good one.

Pretty nice alternative to monitor whats going on. There are so many of these hand held and plug in adaptors out there with prices to match. Definitely a good investment to play it safe when a check engine light shows up.

[98legwag]

Do yourself a favor and upgrade the noodle 16mm rear sway bar. But the mounts for the rear sway bar are week and should upgraded too. I have the AVO rear sway bar reinforcement brackets with a JDM 20mm rear sway. It helps.

Edit- check out http://www.croooober.com/cparts/search. Its Up Garage as well. I find it easier to use.

[Zangado1]

Do yourself a favor and upgrade the noodle 16mm rear sway bar. But the mounts for the rear sway bar are week and should upgraded too. I have the AVO rear sway bar reinforcement brackets with a JDM 20mm rear sway. It helps.

Edit- check out http://www.croooober.com/cparts/search. Its Up Garage as well. I find it easier to use.

Sway bar is deffinately in my future reading about the lame stock ones fitted to our cars. I have to do the full suspension set first since the dude before me stripped the aftermarket suspension and put it back to stock. Now it rides like a Cadillac with a manual trans. Looks like the Bilstein Hd set up with Spec B top hats is the best all around set up if you want a nice ride. The coilovers in my experiences in other peoples cars that have them fitted seem to be too rough all around town for me along with these shitty rough roads here in Pennsylvania im not putting up with pot holes and crevices being that low to the ground. Looks like about $900 for the struts/shocks/top hats and the additional hardware/bushings not including the lowering springs. A lot to swallow at one shot but very worth it.

[98legwag]

Look into the Koni inserts too. They are more cost effective and a good upgrade.

[Zangado1]

Look into the Koni inserts too. They are more cost effective and a good upgrade.

I had a set of adjustable Koni's on an old 80's GTI I had back then (showing my age) And they were the kind that you opened the hood and had a small plastic knob that fit into the palm of your hand to adjust them only in the front. They were awesome. Reading on here it seems that there is some type of fabrication involved to slip them into your housing? Not sure about that task. I have GR-2's on my BK now with Tein lowering springs and am very happy with them. I have maybe read one guy's feedback on here that put a set of those GR-2's on a fourth generation LGT. He said he likes them and loved the price. Im open for ideas since we have so many options. But the photos are helping as well.

[98legwag]

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/koni-shock-strut-epic-engineering-spring-install-145744.html?t=145744&highlight=koni

[fwa2500]

One of my friends has Konis and Swift springs on his Spec B and swears by them, I have heard nothing but good things about the inserts. I opted for KYB struts when I re-did the suspension on my 3.0R with a further upgrade to Konis somewhere down the road, though I did seriously consider the Bilstein HDs. I really was not a fan of how soft and floaty the stock Bilsteins felt, there was so much roll, dive and squat...

[98legwag]

I really was not a fan of how soft and floaty the stock Bilsteins felt, there was so much roll, dive and squat...

I am still surprised by this. My Bilsteins feel pretty good. I would like to get some Pinks at some point. Or maybe KYBs with Epic/Eibachs if I can find a set.

[fwa2500]

It might also be that I was so used to how stiff the wagon was between the coilovers, swaybars, endlinks, strut bars and such so take my suspension opinions with a grain of salt, lol.

[98legwag]

That is very true.

[Zangado1]

I am still surprised by this. My Bilsteins feel pretty good. I would like to get some Pinks at some point. Or maybe KYBs with Epic/Eibachs if I can find a set.

Im liking the options that the Tein Street Basis have to offer. You get the adjustability of ride quality and the option of ride height as well with the spanner wrench. Where the Koni require some prep work and the Bilstein are kind of soft after a while. The Street Basis are a decent price as well and use the OEM top hats. Im not interested in camber settings or a rough coil over ride so these might be the ticket. Anybody have these Tein street Basis on here that have any feedback?

[Merc6]

There is more than one banjo Bolt filter. One hides behind the timing cover, it's got a raised head so it can't be easily removed.

Also what version of Spec B shocks did you have? There were a few variants that went from stiff to soft as people complained their "GT" car was too stiff. People really buy GT cars then sit up and complain they don't ride like 90's Buicks.

[Zangado1]

There is more than one banjo Bolt filter. One hides behind the timing cover, it's got a raised head so it can't be easily removed.

Also what version of Spec B shocks did you have? There were a few variants that went from stiff to soft as people complained their "GT" car was too stiff. People really buy GT cars then sit up and complain they don't ride like 90's Buicks.
That's how my LGT rides now with the factory suspension..Like a 90's Buick. Haa Ha great analogy. Been in plenty of Le Sabres and Limited's.

[Merc6]

That's how my LGT rides now with the factory suspension..Like a 90's Buick. Haa Ha great analogy. Been in plenty of Le Sabres and Limited's.

I had a 98 Buick Century so yeah I miss the seats most. No mater how aggressive I drove, everyone was still sleep when we got to where we were going.

[Zangado1]

808 The latest picture after I blacked out the grille. I had the car looked over at a Subaru dealership and the only thing they see that could be replaced is rear bushings for inspection. Im pretty satisfied that I found a good solid car knowing that these 05's have a lot of issues. You guys on here have been great with exposing what to look for over time.

[Merc6]

Just talking about his on the other forums, the front of you car is 90% better than mine. The gap between hood and bumper seems to be normal for us. As for cat, the STi Up is oem looking(duh cause you just called it OEM) so it could pass 50/50. not much to gain from the aftermarket ones especially if you keep the stock VF40. How anal are they when they look? VA they were like you have a single cat and rear o2 is still in the downpipe, "Pass". My DP is 2 pieces and the rear half is a Perrin cat.

I was able to get to my engine and take pics.

The back of the head by the turbo banjo was already talked about above. Most easiest one to get to, and you are about to find out why I say such a thing.

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there is actually another one on the other head at the front corner of the engine tucked away nicely behind the timing cover. Only one way to get to it, You might as well change the timing belt at that point.

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[Zangado1]

Just talking about his on the other forums, the front of you car is 90% better than mine. The gap between hood and bumper seems to be normal for us. As for cat, the STi Up is oem looking(duh cause you just called it OEM) so it could pass 50/50. not much to gain from the aftermarket ones especially if you keep the stock VF40. How anal are they when they look? VA they were like you have a single cat and rear o2 is still in the downpipe, "Pass". My DP is 2 pieces and the rear half is a Perrin cat.

I was able to get to my engine and take pics.

The back of the head by the turbo banjo was already talked about above. Most easiest one to get to, and you are about to find out why I say such a thing.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2015/10/DA81AB287666488ABA0FDEEC25FC5291_zpsldts-1.jpg

there is actually another one on the other head at the front corner of the engine tucked away nicely behind the timing cover. Only one way to get to it, You might as well change the timing belt at that point.

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Great pictures Merc..Got another question for you about our cars. Do you know if there is lighting down under the dash in the foot well area. Because I have no lights down there at all. When its early in the morning I want to plug in my Cobb and there is no lighting down there so im using the I Phone light to plug it in. Im wondering if they are there or burned out?

[Alphius]

There are no footwell lights from the factory.

[Zangado1]

There are no footwell lights from the factory.

Thanks. Wasn't sure about that.

[foohfooh]

Hmm. I vote neon blue ... ;)

[Merc6]

There are no footwell lights from the factory.

A project that I never got around to. Was going to link it to puddle lights on the doors originally. I also debated on making a constant on led like the ford truck mirrors but didn't want to cause a leak and have condensation.


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[Zangado1]

A project that I never got around to. Was going to link it to puddle lights on the doors originally. I also debated on making a constant on led like the ford truck mirrors but didn't want to cause a leak and have condensation.


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They do make a kit for our cars to replace the interior lighting with L.E.D's though. I cant remember what page someone uploaded their DIY on "What have you done to your fourth generation today" Post.

[98legwag]

They do make a kit for our cars to replace the interior lighting with L.E.D's though. I cant remember what page someone uploaded their DIY on "What have you done to your fourth generation today" Post.

I believe Diode Dynamics makes a kit. RRev has a kit. Mine was pieced together on superbrightleds.com. I like the set I have. I also got the RRev Extreme LED reverse lights and they are fantastic. RRev also makes a really bright LED panel to replace the light in the trunk.

[Zangado1]

I believe Diode Dynamics makes a kit. RRev has a kit. Mine was pieced together on superbrightleds.com. I like the set I have. I also got the RRev Extreme LED reverse lights and they are fantastic. RRev also makes a really bright LED panel to replace the light in the trunk.

Awesome thanks...

[Merc6]

Diode I believe is the vendor now. Before it was yourLEDshop. I did map, dome, plate, puddles and trunk(not pictured) I think it was like $50-$60 5 years ago still working.

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[Zangado1]

Diode I believe is the vendor now. Before it was yourLEDshop. I did map, dome, plate, puddles and trunk(not pictured) I think it was like $50-$60 5 years ago still working.

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Really makes the car go to another level of awesome...Thanks. Since I have the Invidia up and down pipe with the factory exhaust will I have to install the unequal length header with and after market exhaust to get the "Subie Rumble" like my 95 BK or the cat back will give me the rumble without the header? My boy tells me the cat back will give me the rumble without the header...Thanks Merc6

[98legwag]

Just get a catback. It should have uel headers stock.

[Zangado1]

Just get a catback. It should have uel headers stock.

Thanks wasn't sure if I needed the header like my 2.2 in my BK. I miss the sound while driving the LGT. Too quiet for me except for the turbo spool.....

[Merc6]

Really makes the car go to another level of awesome...Thanks. Since I have the Invidia up and down pipe with the factory exhaust will I have to install the unequal length header with and after market exhaust to get the "Subie Rumble" like my 95 BK or the cat back will give me the rumble without the header? My boy tells me the cat back will give me the rumble without the header...Thanks Merc6
Y/W.... more below

Just get a catback. It should have uel headers stock.

This all the way up the 4 gen build for GT cars. An axle back may actually be enough depending on how loud you want to go. I went with Xo2 cans and was fine for a bit. I got bored then deleted the resonator in the midpipe. Years later I ended up adding resonators to the mid pipe because cold morning starts were brutal on the neighbors.

[Zangado1]

Y/W.... more below


This all the way up the 4 gen build for GT cars. An axle back may actually be enough depending on how loud you want to go. I went with Xo2 cans and was fine for a bit. I got bored then deleted the resonator in the midpipe. Years later I ended up adding resonators to the mid pipe because cold morning starts were brutal on the neighbors.
Crazy how many cat backs are available for these LGT's. My car has no cats at all so once I find one it sounds like it is going to be a little loud. My BK has a cat but no resonator and the UEL Header as well. And I have a Magnaflow and love how it sounds. You cant even hear the car idle but when you are throttled up it is still enjoyable and not obnoxious. I have been on you tube listening to lGT's with cat backs and it is hard to make a decision. Price is optional as well starting at $300 -$900 for full systems. I don't have to worry about neighbors:smt020:smt020

[98legwag]

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/exhaust-audio-video-clip-compilation-thread-102170.html

Just to add to your decision.

[86bratman]

Most of the cheaper exhaust systems have garbage fitment. One muffler hanging lower than the other and both too far down in the bumper cutouts. Those things can be dealt with by any competent exhaust shop, but they add to the cost of the exhaust. Just something to consider.

[Alphius]

I'm a fan of Nameless Performance. They're reasonably priced, their products are excellent quality, and they are local to me here in WA state. :)

[Zangado1]

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php/exhaust-audio-video-clip-compilation-thread-102170.html

Just to add to your decision.

Thanks...I really like the Magnaflow I have on my BK. Looks like they sound great to me on the catless LGT as well. Im not a fan of the dual tips on our cars or the overly larger outlet tips like on the HKS. A lot of choices out there for sure.

[Zangado1]

I'm a fan of Nameless Performance. They're reasonably priced, their products are excellent quality, and they are local to me here in WA state. :)
Im on the East Coast. I found these guys while shopping around and a lot of locals here in the East have bought these.
http://www.gimmickmotorsports.com/product/catback-exhaust-3in-stainless-steel-05-09-legacy-gt/
http://www.redline360.com/dna-exhaust-subaru-legacy-gt-CBE-LEGACY-T2-SS
Here is a you tube clip: https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Arm3Fy_ubMA9Q5BPibu4HnGbvZx4?p=dna+motoring+legacy+cat+back+exhaust&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-yie8&fp=1

[86bratman]

If you look closely at the gimmick catback you'll see its almost identical to the DNA catback. The only difference is that gimmick engraved gms in the tips. Both are made in the same Chinese plant and shipped to their respective distributors, and both will have the fitment issues I mentioned earlier.

[Merc6]

I ended up with aero cans and unknown(not a brand name at all like "Nameless") resonators. I am going to swap the resonators out for a muffler to quiet it down some more once the car is running strong.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3Xmrjux5g

[Zangado1]

If you look closely at the gimmick catback you'll see its almost identical to the DNA catback. The only difference is that gimmick engraved gms in the tips. Both are made in the same Chinese plant and shipped to their respective distributors, and both will have the fitment issues I mentioned earlier.

Ok so that means stay away. It sounds like the Magnaflow might be my route since im happy with them now. And being a reputable outfit since these no-namer's that I posted might lead to issues down the road.

[Zangado1]

I ended up with aero cans and unknown(not a brand name at all like "Nameless") resonators. I am going to swap the resonators out for a muffler to quiet it down some more once the car is running strong.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU3Xmrjux5g
Sounds a lot tighter. Not too raspy....My personal taste (no offense) I don't like the dual tip outlet look.

[86bratman]

If I were to purchase either of the two you posted it would be the DNA catback, simply because it's almost half the cost for the same product. I would just go into it knowing that I was going to have to visit an exhaust shop to have the hangers reworked. For me that would be about $40 at the shop I take my cars to, your cost may vary depending on your relationship with shops.

[Zangado1]

If I were to purchase either of the two you posted it would be the DNA catback, simply because it's almost half the cost for the same product. I would just go into it knowing that I was going to have to visit an exhaust shop to have the hangers reworked. For me that would be about $40 at the shop I take my cars to, your cost may vary depending on your relationship with shops.

Well they are Stainless which makes you wonder how did they price them so cheap using that material. I have an awesome cheap exhaust place here that wouldn't be an issue. I like the blue tips as well.

[86bratman]

Bulk purchasing and cheap labor have a lot to do with it I'm sure.

[Zangado1]

Bulk purchasing and cheap labor have a lot to do with it I'm sure.
Just shopping around looks like a minimum of $800 for any system that is a mainstream brand. That including Nameless Performance as well. But you get what you pay for....
Our lug pattern on our cars is 5 x 100 right?

[86bratman]

Yes it is 5x100.

If I was going to spend the money on an exhaust my money would go to the SPT catback. But I also like that it's not terribly loud like some of the other options. I don't want my car screaming at everyone while I'm just cruising through town.

[Zangado1]

Yes it is 5x100.

If I was going to spend the money on an exhaust my money would go to the SPT catback. But I also like that it's not terribly loud like some of the other options. I don't want my car screaming at everyone while I'm just cruising through town.

I just looked it up $1001.95 since its a genuine Subaru part.....

[Merc6]

Bending hangars isn't that bad, it's just awful if you are trying to do this under a car on jack stands.

Dual/Quad tip isn't for everyone. Actually debating on it for the DD as well.

[98legwag]

I like the dual/quad tip look. But I got my TurboXS mufflers for a steal. I am very happy with the sound and the quality of them. Mine are 10 years old and have nearly zero rust on them.

[Zangado1]

Another question for you guys. This time about the floor mats. What Subaru rubber weather mats or Weather Tech floor mats will swap out of other models that will work in our fourth generation Legacies? Im looking into a set but would like to see what Craigs List has to offer first?

[Merc6]

I take it legacy sedan/wagon/outback same years


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[Merc6]

I got the Subaru ones but weatehrtechs are better. I still got salt on the carpet around the edges where my DD it never gets in the carpet.


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[Zangado1]

Looking on Craigs List there are a lot of people selling the Rubber Subaru ones and a couple Weather Tech ones as well. Wasn't sure which ones are swappable .......Thanks Merc6

[Merc6]

Trunk one may differ from wagon and sedan. Never been in a wagon before. Only sedans when I was in Maryland. I don't actually know any 4 gens outside of the forums around here.


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[98legwag]

The Subaru all weather mats in my 09 sedan came out of an 05 wagon. Granted its just the front and rear floor mats.

[Navi271]

Oh neat! I never saw this thread, and I didn't know you bought a 05 LGT Limited. I also have one and have been dealing with a lot of crap with it, so I'll help out if I can.

[Zangado1]

Oh neat! I never saw this thread, and I didn't know you bought a 05 LGT Limited. I also have one and have been dealing with a lot of crap with it, so I'll help out if I can.

What kind of crap? My key fob is pissing me off now by not letting me open my trunk with it. But I can open/lock doors and set the alarm.

[Navi271]

Well, I highly recommend you take out the banjo bolt by the turbo and check the filter! My car still had a filter, and it was almost completely clogged (I'm at 143k though). I think it was the cause of the core of my turbo to start leaking a lot of oil. It sounds like yours is better taken care of than mine, but I think it would be good to check to make sure. You can either replace the filter if it's caught a lot of debris, or remove it altogether.

Are you pressing and holding the trunk release button? You have to hold it for a while, about 5 seconds or so and then the trunk will open. It won't actually pop open, but it'll be unlatched so you'll be able to lift it open. When I got my car I didn't realize you had to hold the button for so long...

Also did you figure out the P0420 check engine light you had? It's not a good idea to be driving around with a catless or upgraded downpipe without a tune for it.

[Zangado1]

Well, I highly recommend you take out the banjo bolt by the turbo and check the filter! My car still had a filter, and it was almost completely clogged (I'm at 143k though). I think it was the cause of the core of my turbo to start leaking a lot of oil. It sounds like yours is better taken care of than mine, but I think it would be good to check to make sure. You can either replace the filter if it's caught a lot of debris, or remove it altogether.

Are you pressing and holding the trunk release button? You have to hold it for a while, about 5 seconds or so and then the trunk will open. It won't actually pop open, but it'll be unlatched so you'll be able to lift it open. When I got my car I didn't realize you had to hold the button for so long...

Also did you figure out the P0420 check engine light you had? It's not a good idea to be driving around with a catless or upgraded downpipe without a tune for it.
Thanks..I do realize that you have to hold the trunk button down longer than the door functions. Im going to take it apart and check the contacts. As far as the P0420 I have no cats at all. So I went and bought the Cobb V-3 and now everything is good watching the hand held unit through it's operation. The previous owner of the car gave me a two inch bundle of service history with oil changes out the wazoo all from the Subie dealer but at 10200k and knowing the timing belt/water pump were done at 95.000k I am deffinately looking into either removing or replacing the banjo bolt filters with knowing the history of these 05's

[Navi271]

Ah okay. Yeah check the key fob. I have an aftermarket alarm/remote start and my key fob has a little screen on it, and of course it's cracked and broken, the functionality is still there tho.
We're you still thinking of putting the stock exhaust back on to pass inspection?

Honestly after reading through everything it looks like all the main issues have been said, you bought a well taken care of car, and you know what you're doing. Just keep taking care of it and it'll be just fine. I guess the one thing I can think to check is the lower control arm bushings. They're made of rubber and like to crack and tear on our cars.

[Zangado1]

Ah okay. Yeah check the key fob. I have an aftermarket alarm/remote start and my key fob has a little screen on it, and of course it's cracked and broken, the functionality is still there tho.
We're you still thinking of putting the stock exhaust back on to pass inspection?

Honestly after reading through everything it looks like all the main issues have been said, you bought a well taken care of car, and you know what you're doing. Just keep taking care of it and it'll be just fine. I guess the one thing I can think to check is the lower control arm bushings. They're made of rubber and like to crack and tear on our cars.

Yea when I had the safety check done at the dealer for my first synthetic oil change after I bought the car the only thing they said they found was the lower control arm bushings needed replaced but I don't need them until inspection in march they said. Its not my daily driver so I pretty much use it on the weekends for a little boost treat! As for the exhaust it is the original but it has no cats on it.. The dude who had it before me said he had a full Invidia which he took off to sell to a friend. He said when he traded it into the dealer that they would give him a better trade in value if the car was all back to original. So in time the suspension is my first thing then the exhaust im going to upgrade as well.

[Merc6]

Slight overkill but you could upgrade to a flip key or the 1 piece key just before flip. Did all but program the remotes to the car (self done) and chip to immobilizer (dealer intervention unless you dreamel your working keys for the chip). I also have an aftermarket alarm so the buttons working isn't that high up there. That trick to get to into that menu is a bit of a pain if you do get a new fob and reprogram it.

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[Zangado1]

Now im having a problem with exhaust fumes inside the cabin. Even with the HVAC off they are still pretty wicked. It is worse with the HVAC on though. I can't open the sunroof to the rear tilt or open all the way or im going to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Not really sure where its coming from because there is no sign of an exhaust leak while operating the car. It gets worse when you are on the throttle though. It has the Invidia up and down pipes if that will help in the diagnosis.

[Zangado1]

So this week here in Pennsylvania the weather has been dropping below freezing overnight for the first time this season. I don't use my LGT as much as I should so since I bought it I have still been learning and reading up on the car here. You guy's have been very helpful as well (Thank you all). The other morning I walked by the front of the car on my way to get in my BK and saw a small amount of anti freeze under the front. Quick ran in the house got the keys and opened the hood to check the fluid levels and did not see any fluid looking into the radiator or the little reservoir up next to the intake manifold. So as anyone would I got worried and got a jug of Prestone on the way home from work. Topped it all off while letting the car run and it checked out ok. Took a bit for the heat to kick in but then again it's just idleing. So went to the Subie dealer 15 mins from my house today and had the fluid cleaned out (not a flush) and replaced with new fluid along with a preasure check and got a full clean bill of health by the tech. The leak that I saw was whoever had the car serviced before me forgot to replace the "O" ring on the drain plug. So im just putting this out there since all you guys will be changing your fluid for this upcoming winter so don't forget the little "O" ring. $84.00 including tax at the dealer..Not bad for some reassurance!

[Zangado1]

Got a question about the roll back feature. My 95 BK has the feature of putting the clutch and brake on sitting on a hill while at the light. When you let off the brake with the clutch in the car stays stopped until you release the clutch. My question is my 05 LGT does not do this. My car just rolls back. Is my car not working properly or is this feature not available on our fourth generation Legacies?

[Merc6]

Now im having a problem with exhaust fumes inside the cabin. Even with the HVAC off they are still pretty wicked. It is worse with the HVAC on though. I can't open the sunroof to the rear tilt or open all the way or im going to die of carbon monoxide poisoning. Not really sure where its coming from because there is no sign of an exhaust leak while operating the car. It gets worse when you are on the throttle though. It has the Invidia up and down pipes if that will help in the diagnosis.

My leak was the up pipe gaskets, you use the Grimmspeed ones, cheap ones that come with aftermarket exhaust or oem? Other thing to look at is the donut gasket at the end of the downpipe to midpipe. Over tightening the bolts with springs can cause it to leak. Also forgot I got the Grimmspeed aftermarket downpipe to stock midpipe adapter since you said downpipe as well. They very well may be the issue. Be careful as they don't come with gaskets as of January 2015 so the lead one and crush one is needed seperately.



So this week here in Pennsylvania the weather has been dropping below freezing overnight for the first time this season. I don't use my LGT as much as I should so since I bought it I have still been learning and reading up on the car here. You guy's have been very helpful as well (Thank you all). The other morning I walked by the front of the car on my way to get in my BK and saw a small amount of anti freeze under the front. Quick ran in the house got the keys and opened the hood to check the fluid levels and did not see any fluid looking into the radiator or the little reservoir up next to the intake manifold. So as anyone would I got worried and got a jug of Prestone on the way home from work. Topped it all off while letting the car run and it checked out ok. Took a bit for the heat to kick in but then again it's just idleing. So went to the Subie dealer 15 mins from my house today and had the fluid cleaned out (not a flush) and replaced with new fluid along with a preasure check and got a full clean bill of health by the tech. The leak that I saw was whoever had the car serviced before me forgot to replace the "O" ring on the drain plug. So im just putting this out there since all you guys will be changing your fluid for this upcoming winter so don't forget the little "O" ring. $84.00 including tax at the dealer..Not bad for some reassurance!

Yeah I kept a bunch of those washers up till I converted to fomoto valve. The taco Tuesday diarrhea oil flow got really old to me. Drivers side tire always got golden showered. If you go that route get with nipple.


Got a question about the roll back feature. My 95 BK has the feature of putting the clutch and brake on sitting on a hill while at the light. When you let off the brake with the clutch in the car stays stopped until you release the clutch. My question is my 05 LGT does not do this. My car just rolls back. Is my car not working properly or is this feature not available on our fourth generation Legacies?

Legacy is weird, you have to ask one of the guys on the sister forum if you can't get that info here. I haven't driven a manual 05 since 05 when I originally test drove it in San Antonio off San Pedro. The dual mass flywheel was usually swapped out with one of the wrx ones. Some car companies also do weird things with features. My Cruze doesn't have roll back but the Sonic and Spark do making the price of the car almost equal at a point.


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[Zangado1]

My leak was the up pipe gaskets, you use the Grimmspeed ones, cheap ones that come with aftermarket exhaust or oem? Other thing to look at is the donut gasket at the end of the downpipe to midpipe. Over tightening the bolts with springs can cause it to leak. Also forgot I got the Grimmspeed aftermarket downpipe to stock midpipe adapter since you said downpipe as well. They very well may be the issue. Be careful as they don't come with gaskets as of January 2015 so the lead one and crush one is needed delete rely.




Yeah I kept a bunch of those washers up till I converted to fomoto valve. The taco Tuesday diarrhea oil flow got really old to me. Drivers side tire always got golden showered. If you go that route get with nipple.



Legacy is weird, you have to ask one of the guys on the sister forum if you can't get that info here. I haven't driven a manual 05 since 05 when I originally test drove it in San Antonio off San Pedro. The dual mass flywheel was usually swapped out with one of the wrx ones. S car companies also do weird things with features. My Cruze doesn't have roll back but the Sonic and Spark do making the price of the car almost equal at a point.


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Thanks for answering all of that in one posting,Much appreciated bro!:smt023

[Zangado1]

Not too bad for an 11 year old car...1253

[Zangado1]

Just did the grille "Black Out" yesterday...1254