Muse's '02 H6 VDC "Blitzen 6" - the un-update!

[Graver]

where are you guys getting the dead pedals? I wants one

[Yamazaki]

where are you guys getting the dead pedals? I wants one
There's a global announcement in the forum menus. Check out amgarrety's too. He has a great design in his.

[amgarrety]

where are you guys getting the dead pedals? I wants one
There's a global announcement in the forum menus. Check out amgarrety's too. He has a great design in his.

As much as I like my design, I think the STI logo would be much better suited for him :wink:

Sorry for the off track post. I can't wait to see these calendar pics for the Blitzen6!

[Graver]

I see no global announcements :(

NM FOUND IT. Now to get STi or SLi................

[Yamazaki]

No pictures today - I got lazy.

Also, I'm frustrated with the headlight leveler on the passenger side. I've checked all the wiring, and it should work! Of course, I checked the wiring for my new cluster and that should've worked too...

There seems to be a pattern with the stuff I do electrical work on... :smt012

[amgarrety]

When you figure that out, let me know. I still don't have my headlight levelers working yet.

[rkrenicki]

I was going to work on mine tomorrow, but I unfortunately got roped into traveling the day.. I hope to get some time this week to figure out my levelers.

[Yamazaki]

I got another 12v accessories plug to install tomorrow. We'll see how that turns out.

[Yamazaki]

Alright, so I don't think I can put enough spacer on the hub to make the wheels look good and still be safe. Is it possible to extend the lug bolts so I can fit more spacers? I did a search online and just got results for German cars and their hub setup seems to be different so that was useless.
Any ideas?

[98legwag]

I just did a Google search and found this: http://www.andysautosport.com/subaru/19 ... ds/ichiba/ (http://www.andysautosport.com/subaru/1997_2004_outback/wheels/wheel_studs/ichiba/)

[Yamazaki]

Okay that's what the German cars had too. I clearly don't know how the hubs are setup then. I thought that the factory bolts were welded to the hubs.

I'll have to check it out more closely....

[98legwag]

I have no idea either.

[02_Legacy]

I wonder if they make something like wheel adapters only with the same bolt pattern? that would work. Also the wheel studs are pressed in, you can press the old ones out and install longer ones. Replacing wheel studs is a common procedure.
I don't know how the lug bolts would work though :smt017

[wentz912]

The factory wheel studs are just pressed through the back of the hub, not exactly rocket science. You should be able to find 5x100/5x100 wheel "adapters" out there somewhere. I think H&R makes some.

[Yamazaki]

I had the opportunity to drive the car today and discovered two things:
1) The headlight levelers fixed themselves. I haven't done anything to them since I gave up last time, but they work now.
2) When I switched the doors from the GT limited, I forgot to switch the lock cylinders. I had to crawl in through the trunk! (I had the spare keys, which don't have a keyfob)

Looks like I have some things to do this weekend.

[rkrenicki]

You made it through the opening in the back seat? haha

[Dead91silvia]

Oops... LOL... I remember when I had my first S13. It came with shaved door handles, I cant tell you how many times I looked my keys in the car! HAHAHA! Never again...

[Graver]

ive had to climb through the backseat before....its not fun

[Yamazaki]

This is what I did today. I love it because any big plugs (like the one for the nav system we have) don't get in the way of the shifter like they do with the outlet under the radio.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3439_zpsn0aao5d4.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3440_zpsxvegmuwi.jpg.html)

[elislider]

handy dandy

[rougeben83]

This is what I did today. I love it because any big plugs (like the one for the nav system we have) don't get in the way of the shifter like they do with the outlet under the radio.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3439_zpsn0aao5d4.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3440_zpsxvegmuwi.jpg.html)

how does that install onto the plug? Just clips on? I need one (for the minivan :grin: )

[Yamazaki]

how does that install onto the plug? Just clips on? I need one (for the minivan :grin: )
there's wiring, a fuse, a relay, and stuff included in the package. the instructions made it easy. The only issue I had was that it was for the 4cyl Legacy and apparently there's a rubber cap in a location that doesn't exist on the 6cyl Legacy. I found a different location and extended the wiring to fit.

[Yamazaki]

A couple quick updates:

1) I finally got the rear 2pot adapter brackets. I went to put it all together when I realized I didn't have the right size rotors. The auto parts stores near me said they don't have them in stock.... so no change there.
2) I got an adapter bracket for the front license plate so it'll fit centered and look normal. But I don't have long enough screws, so I'll have to go tomorrow.... so no change there.
3) The foglights stopped working. The fuse is fine, so I have no idea what is wrong.... so that needs to be fixed.
4) Somebody dented and chipped paint off of the rear driver side door in the parking lot of Leesburg outlet mall.... so that needs to be fixed.
5) The right taillight was damaged... so that needs to be fixed.


So in all, nothing new except progress has gone backwards as I need to make repairs. Lovely.

[amgarrety]

2) I got an adapter bracket for the front license plate so it'll fit centered and look normal. But I don't have long enough screws, so I'll have to go tomorrow.... so no change there.

Where did you find that?



3) The foglights stopped working. The fuse is fine, so I have no idea what is wrong.... so that needs to be fixed.

Maybe my soldering job didn't hold up very well? I find it hard to believe, but I wouldn't rule it out because I'm not used to soldering upside down. Even still, the connection is shrink-wraped, so even if the solder broke, the wires should still be held together.



4) Somebody dented and chipped paint off of the rear driver side door in the parking lot of Leesburg outlet mall.... so that needs to be fixed.
5) The right taillight was damaged... so that needs to be fixed.


Wow, right after a new paint job? I would be so pissed off it wouldn't even be funny. That would probably make me want to strangle someone.

How bad is the damage? Do you have any photos? I kind of want to see what happened to the tail light as well.

[Yamazaki]

2) I got an adapter bracket for the front license plate so it'll fit centered and look normal. But I don't have long enough screws, so I'll have to go tomorrow.... so no change there.Where did you find that?

3) The foglights stopped working. The fuse is fine, so I have no idea what is wrong.... so that needs to be fixed.
Maybe my soldering job didn't hold up very well? I find it hard to believe, but I wouldn't rule it out because I'm not used to soldering upside down. Even still, the connection is shrink-wraped, so even if the solder broke, the wires should still be held together.
4) Somebody dented and chipped paint off of the rear driver side door in the parking lot of Leesburg outlet mall.... so that needs to be fixed.
5) The right taillight was damaged... so that needs to be fixed.Wow, right after a new paint job? I would be so pissed off it wouldn't even be funny. That would probably make me want to strangle someone.

How bad is the damage? Do you have any photos? I kind of want to see what happened to the tail light as well.
I got the bracket from Kartboy.
I don't think it was the soldering job. Even the switch doesn't get power to the 'on' light. The whole system is down.
I was angry. I wanted to be able to know who did it so I could take a baseball bat to all of their windows...


Anyway, I just put this on. So the car finally has an identity!
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/DSCF3512_zpsclv362fn-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/DSCF3513_zpsjtnflsnl-1.jpg

[amgarrety]

FINALLY. I missed that Blitzen badge :P

It's hard to tell what your fog light problem might be just from the diagram. It looks like if it were to be a fuse, it would be either 26 or 27. It could be a relay, either your ignition relay (you can rule that out if your electronics still start up) or your fog light relay. I'd doubt that though. Would there be a possibility that your fog lights were never reconnected when your bumper was reinstalled after paint? Even though, by the looks of it, if you had both fog lights unplugged, your switch would still theoretically light up because they are two different circuits. Or is there any chance the fog light switch itself might be unplugged?

[Dead91silvia]

Cool! So where is the Boxer 6 badge?

[Legacy89]

Time to break out the multimeter! :P
The best way to start troubleshooting is at the source.
Battery-fuse
Fuse-relay
relay-fogs

Measure it in those parts and you will eventually find the problem.
Swap fuses and relays to easily rule out any problems with them.

[Yamazaki]

Well, the foglights were on when we left the house yesterday, but after we went through an inspection station, they didn't work anymore. I didn't see anybody do anything weird or unusual to the car, so I am very certain that it's just a coincidence and something else must've happened that i didn't notice or realize yesterday, but that's the only thing that I can think of.



The Blitzen badge looks a little crooked to me, but there are holes that it fits into, so I know it's on there exactly as it's supposed to be...
Other badging and wind/rain guards to be attached soon!

[rkrenicki]

Rain Guards! I have been trying to locate those for a BE for a bit...

[Yamazaki]

They aren't Subaru though. They're from the US. Check out the first post.

[amgarrety]

Yeah the Blitzen badges have always been slightly crooked, and that always bothered me, but hey, it's authentic and that is all that matters.

[cloproductions]

Could you post a picture of the license plate adapter you used? I did a google search for a "kartboy license plate adapter" but i didn't find anything. thanks in advance.

[Yamazaki]

The rear brake brackets were from kartboy. The license plate adapter was something I did from the license plate mount that the car came with originally. I'll post a picture some time this week.

[Rubie_25GT]

Excellent looks good so far. I've started to appreciate the third gens more after this and the s401.

[Yamazaki]

Thanks!

[Yamazaki]

Here are my fixes for the Japanese bumper/US license plate issue:

Front:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3515_zpserzw7xa2.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3515_zpserzw7xa2.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3517_zpsoijuqknm.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3517_zpsoijuqknm.jpg.html)

Rear:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3520_zps2kxtoi46.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3520_zps2kxtoi46.jpg.html)

[Dead91silvia]

That looks really good!

You need to take this car out for a photo shoot with Mike's car. I still have these images in my head of the multi-color lowered outback! haha

[Caboobaroo]

I've been keeping up with this and it's awesome! My better half has a '04 BEE that is starting to get modified as she recently got the bug :lol:

Just picked up a set of JDM power folding heated mirrors for $100 on Craigslist.

You sir, are an inspiration :grin: Hope I can get ours to be half as awesome as yours.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/b4635bf680c7f963fb9093a441fb37ed_zpsdf26-1.jpg

And a picture of my garage queen :cool:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/12/094b590a829a66efc264c80c1054ab03_zpsf331-1.jpg

[amgarrety]

Caboobaroo, you sir should make some build threads for your cars. I'm extremely interested in all 3 of your cars listed in your signature.

You darn H6 owners and your power :/ your cars are, by default, twice as cool as our H4s :razz:

[Yamazaki]

Caboobaroo: Thanks for the compliment! I have been inspired by many others on this thread and received great ideas from them, so check out others as well. And I agree with amgarrety, start up some build threads!


You darn H6 owners and your power :/ your cars are, by default, twice as cool as our H4s :razz:
Well, I don't think twice as cool. But I do think the H6 is 50% more cool than the H4's... :lol:

[1996Battlewagon]

You darn H6 owners and your power :/ your cars are, by default, twice as cool as our H4s :razz:
Well, I don't think twice as cool. But I do think the H6 is 50% more cool than the H4's... :lol:

Wouldn't it actually be a quarter as cool?

I tell people I have a car with a dual cam flat six and they assume its a Porsche. Oh yeah! Little do they know it's a car principally operated by old folk.

[chuckthefuk]

Wouldn't it be 1/3 better ?

[amgarrety]

Nah, it would be 50% better. He has 150% of the pistons I have.

Unless you go by liters. Then it would only be 20% better.

And then you still have to factor VDC into it.

[chuckthefuk]

but he only has 33.3% extra pistons :-p

[Yamazaki]

Nah, it would be 50% better. He has 150% of the pistons I have.

Unless you go by liters. Then it would only be 20% better.

And then you still have to factor VDC into it.You know what though? It's an auto and your car is manual. So I get points taken away for that. My dream is to swap the trans someday.... and supercharge it. But that's just dreaming.


The correct rotors get delivered tomorrow, so hopefully I can put on the rear 2pots and finish the brake lines before we leave for Japan.

[Yamazaki]

What is the pipe and the electrical connection coming out of the air box next to the throttle body? I had plans for the intake, but I dont want to mess anything up...
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3521_zpsq1ascbyp.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3521_zpsq1ascbyp.jpg.html)

[harrymaneuvers]

Pipe is one of your crank breather tubes I think. And I am pretty sure that the sensor is for your intake air temp.

[Dead91silvia]

If you get an intake thats made for it, it should have a fitting for it.

If not, you can just make it fit. Pretty easy, I know its well in your skill set. :smt023

[Yamazaki]

I can't find any intakes for the H6, so I was going to make a pipe out of the throttle body and have a cone filter where the air filter box is now. Then I was going to get an H4 inlet so the air goes straight to the cone. But I don't know how to make something that fits those things on it....

[Dead91silvia]

I just went out to look at my H6 OB... Thats not hard at all to make work.

It's just a rubber fitting so that makes it super easy to retro-fit. The only hard part is getting the bend from the intake to the wheel well right.

After that, it's just drilling it the right size. I'm sure it wouldnt be a big deal at all. I might even play with it tomorrow if it doesnt snow.

[Yamazaki]

I just went out to look at my H6 OB... Thats not hard at all to make work.

It's just a rubber fitting so that makes it super easy to retro-fit. The only hard part is getting the bend from the intake to the wheel well right.

After that, it's just drilling it the right size. I'm sure it wouldnt be a big deal at all. I might even play with it tomorrow if it doesnt snow.
Drilling? Wheel well? What? No no, the air would get fed by the thing going over the radiator. But I have to get one from an H4 because they don't go into the wheel well.

[Dead91silvia]

So are you just trying to do what I was going to do with my BD? Basically use an intake style tube, but leave the air filter box?

If thats the case, the idea I have will still work.

[Yamazaki]

I was thinking something along these lines:

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/07/intake2-1.jpg

[Dead91silvia]

Oh, yeah thats what I was thinking as well. That would be pretty easy with the right tube coming from the TB.

[Legacy89]

Not to be a buzzkill or anything but that dividerplate won't do much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi2yo4UqPI

[Yamazaki]

Finally have the STi Genome exhaust installed! Had the resonator removed as well so it's kind of loud when you get on it. Also installed the BNR32 rear 2pots and left the "Nissan" on them so it looks a little weird since the front 4pots say "Subaru".
Pictures tomorrow.


The only major thing left is the rear wiper assembly....

[amgarrety]

Awesome! I'm glad that exhaust is fixed. I bet it looks much better now.

[98legwag]

Sweet. Any chance of a sound clip/video of the exhaust?

[Dead91silvia]

Finally have the STi Genome exhaust installed! Had the resonator removed as well so it's kind of loud when you get on it. Also installed the BNR32 rear 2pots and left the "Nissan" on them so it looks a little weird since the front 4pots say "Subaru".
Pictures tomorrow.


Now that makes me happy! :grin:

Pics are demanded!

[dodik]

here is an intake idea
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/03/SNV31656-1.jpg

[Dead91silvia]

^ Dont think that would be much of a performance gain... Sucking way more hot air from there.

[Yamazaki]

Picture time!

Exhaust:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3537_zps5mr1f8fy.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3537_zps5mr1f8fy.jpg.html)

Old rotor/New rotor:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3531_zpshtffd9p7.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3531_zpshtffd9p7.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3530_zpscgfyhcgj.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3530_zpscgfyhcgj.jpg.html)

Caliper w/bracket and SS brakeline:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3533_zpse3kov87v.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3533_zpse3kov87v.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3532_zpsb8mcrzga.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3532_zpsb8mcrzga.jpg.html)

Side view:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3534_zpsinmpzqxg.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3534_zpsinmpzqxg.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3536_zpseqridxfn.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3536_zpseqridxfn.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3535_zpsyclxiuly.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3535_zpsyclxiuly.jpg.html)

[Dead91silvia]

Sweet! Love the exhaust! But... is it just me, or is it off center to the left? It might just be the angle of the pic...

And you are right, the red fronts and black rears are a little funny looking, but what a conversation starter!

How much are those brackets? The GT-B and GT might get those someday soon.. :grin:

[amgarrety]

Hahaha your wife seems just as interested in the photoshoot as you :P

[Yamazaki]

Hahaha your wife seems just as interested in the photoshoot as you :P
Yeah, I saw the calipers lined up perfectly for a shot and said "Let me take a picture real quick". She was like "yeah, whatever. let's go, I'm waiting."

[1996Battlewagon]

Photos are cool. But, they don't tell an audible story. ;p

[Dead91silvia]

Hahaha your wife seems just as interested in the photoshoot as you :P
Yeah, I saw the calipers lined up perfectly for a shot and said "Let me take a picture real quick". She was like "yeah, whatever. let's go, I'm waiting."
That sounds about right... haha

[Yamazaki]

Checking in from Japan. Bought some stuff for the "Blitzen" and my Impreza. They're just little "dress-up" parts, but I think they'll be a nice touch. Can anybody think of any other items that I should think of getting while I'm here? I'm running out of ideas.

[rkrenicki]

An S402 to go with your S401?

[kimokalihi]

What nissan are those brakes off and are they cheaper than subaru wrx 4pot/2pots?

[admiral snackbar]

What nissan are those brakes off and are they cheaper than subaru wrx 4pot/2pots?

Z32 300zx

[Dead91silvia]

Checking in from Japan. Bought some stuff for the "Blitzen" and my Impreza. They're just little "dress-up" parts, but I think they'll be a nice touch. Can anybody think of any other items that I should think of getting while I'm here? I'm running out of ideas.

A rear window for my BD? And an extra Blitzen wing likes yours for me? :roll:


:smt005


I think you have just about anything I can think of JDM for all you cars. What about a JDM Blitzen 6 intake system and a front sway bar?

[Yamazaki]

What nissan are those brakes off and are they cheaper than subaru wrx 4pot/2pots?
I got them from a BNR32 GT-R. They were MUCH cheaper than the STI (GC) or WRX (GD) equivalents.
An S402 to go with your S401?Ha! I wish!
I think you have just about anything I can think of JDM for all you cars. What about a JDM Blitzen 6 intake system and a front sway bar?
Actually, the Outback H6 has the same engine/drivetrain as the Blitzen6. The Blitzen models, generally speaking, are just standard models (in this case, an RS30) with a Porshe designed body kit.

[Dead91silvia]

I know they are about the same, but I figured that since they have the Blitzen in Japan, they might have an aftermarket intake available for them. Kinda funny if not...

[amgarrety]

The thing with the intake setup on the Legacy is that Subaru did a really good job with it. Aside from the (removable) power robbing stuff, it's not a bad set up at all. I can imagine intake upgrades might be scarce over there, aside from your usual short ram that you can get over here.

[Yamazaki]

There are a lot of intake upgrades available, but they are all for the turbo models. The H6 got no love in Japan. It's near impossible to find anything for it. There just aren't enough RS30/GT30/Lancaster 6s out there to justify making aftermarket support for them.

[Dead91silvia]

bummer

[Yamazaki]

I got some bolt caps for the license plates and pink LED strips to match the pink LED door light when the doors open. I also caved and got new speakers for the front doors. The rear door speakers still work well so I won't change them.

I also finally switched out the wiring on the driver's side. So the the heated mirror works on that side again. And the fender side blinker was wired up while I had the fender off. However, the passenger side is still unwired and the turn signals flash very quickly, so I guess I need to add a resistor somewhere.

I'll post pics of the door later. I'm not a fan of all the pink lighting, but the wife likes it so all is well. Although she said it looks like "Bosozoku Hello Kitty style".... :-? weird.

[hansvonaxion]

Don't you need brackets to fit the Nissan 4/2 pots?

And you need to swap the hubs for 2 pot rears, right? Or is that just for the second gen?

Do the pads from the subi 2 pots fit?

Wouldn't mind rear pots myself but not if it's going to be a PITA.

[Yamazaki]

The bracket in the picture I posted is all you need. I thought it was the same for 2nd Gens as well. It actually wasn't as bad as I expected.

[hansvonaxion]

Oh sorry I was being daft. When you add the cost of the bracket I guess it works out similar for Nissan calipers (at least in Japan). Oh and perhaps the hub swap is just for second gens, has to do with the handbrake housing fouling the caliper I believe (or maybe I'm thinking of USDM Legacies?), but it's probably OK on your third gen H6.

When a globe blows or you have the wrong type of globe it can cause the indicators to flash too fast so if one is still unwired that's probably the cause and it'll be fine once you wire it up.

Unrelated but on my old bike when the battery was low on charge it would act nuts, the horn would go off when I turned on the indicator, the opposite side indicator would come on etc. It was hilarious.

[Yamazaki]

The car hadn't been driven because I've been gone and waiting for these to show up:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3635_zpscfhqgbpv.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3635_zpscfhqgbpv.jpg.html)
Yay for a more accurate speedometer!

And here's what the door LEDs look like:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3636_zpsi0knop5t.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3636_zpsi0knop5t.jpg.html)

Also, for you guys crying for a sound clip; prepare to be disappointed. It sounds awful.:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/DSCF3638_zpsq4srj8bs.mp4)

[Zac]

need a sound clip when its under load!

[98legwag]

I like it. It kind of sounds like a Porsche.

[Yamazaki]

The wife finds it kind of annoying. I'm used to my Impreza, and even I think it's a bit noisy. It isn't deep and resonating though, like the S401. It's more high pitched and raspy, like a strung-out Honda.

I'm open to ideas for solutions...

[Legacy89]

Well, my 2,5 gained a throaty deep rumble with just a short-ram and stock exhaust.
Think the raspyness will increase if you remove or change the cat.
But an additional resonator might help against that.

[amgarrety]

It does sound like a Porsche, which is really cool depending on your preferences. I am a Porsche guy so I love it. Maybe adding a resonator might get you the pitch you're looking for. I'm not an exhaust guy though so I could be wrong. It's my understanding that a resonator can lower the pitch.

[Reason]

The H6 sounds different from the 4's. I dont think it sounds bad, it should get a little deeper once it breaks in. Or you can just put a cherry bomb in the mid pipe and call it a day.

[Dead91silvia]

I cant listen to it... :-(

[Reason]

Fail!

[Dead91silvia]

Fail!
:smt019

[1996Battlewagon]

These things have too many cats. Have you looked under there? There's like a billion of those greenie tight-wade things.

Thus, they only seem to sound "cool" when fully unplugged. I say go back to stock.

[rkrenicki]

The car hadn't been driven because I've been gone and waiting for these to show up:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3635_zpscfhqgbpv.jpg.html)

Yay for a more accurate speedometer!


Are those the Continentals that you were telling me about? I can't quite make out the label, but it looks like the Sumitomo's I was looking at.




And here's what the door LEDs look like:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3636_zpsi0knop5t.jpg.html)


That actually looks pretty cool.. the color is obviously not my first choice, but those with Red or Amber would be good..

[Yamazaki]

These things have too many cats. Have you looked under there? There's like a billion of those greenie tight-wade things.

Thus, they only seem to sound "cool" when fully unplugged. I say go back to stock.
I haven't removed any catalytic converters. I would like to find headers for the H6 (and then remove the cats while I'm at it), but I've come up empty time and time again. There's just no aftermarket love for the H6. :-(


Are those the Continentals that you were telling me about? I can't quite make out the label, but it looks like the Sumitomo's I was looking at.
Yes sir, they are. You convinced me. I got the Sumitomo HTR A/S PO1 for both the Impreza and the "Blitzen6".


That actually looks pretty cool.. the color is obviously not my first choice, but those with Red or Amber would be good..
Yeah, I'd do it in blue personally, but the wife thinks there's enough blue in the garage as it is...
I think I'll be doing it on the Impreza though.

[elislider]

I got the Sumitomo HTR A/S PO1 for both the Impreza and the "Blitzen6".
Those are great tires! I had them on my green legacy. I did research at the time and they were the top rated all-season for the price.

[Dead91silvia]

Lol... I can listen to the clip with my phone but not my laptop!

I don't think it's that bad. I bet it sounds pretty cool under a load.

[rkrenicki]

Yes sir, they are. You convinced me. I got the Sumitomo HTR A/S PO1 for both the Impreza and the "Blitzen6".

Let me know how you like them. I am going to buy my tires here pretty soon, and for some reason I can't find the Sumitomos locally anymore.

I may end up going with Falken Ziex instead due to their local availability... but if you really like them, then I will pay the extra for shipping and local mounting.

[amgarrety]

Let me know what both of you think of those tires. I might take the PZ900s for the short term just to get tires on my rims, but I don't necessarily want to keep them on there for long. The inner sidewall thing has me worried.

[Yamazaki]

So after driving all day on the new size tires I have a few observations:

1) These tires are quieter and more comfortable than the previous ones.
2) The much bigger diameter rubs in the wheel well when I do semi-hard turns and whenever I hit a big bump.
3) Accurate (within 2mph) speedo again.

Because of all of that I will remove the Bilstein shock/STi spring setup and put the original Outback suspension back on until I remove those spacers.

[rkrenicki]

I agree on the quietness and comfort, it may be early to say it.. but I feel that these are the best tires I have ever owned.

Its too bad that the Bilsteins are coming off though.. :(

[Yamazaki]

So the Outback suspension is back on. It feels like I'm driving a semi-truck. I took some interesting pictures too. I'll post them later after I've uploaded them.

Oh, and the Cusco brace doesn't fit. Even though this is the one for the "non-turbo", I'm guessing the H6 has a different downpipe layout from the H4 because they are in the way. The oil pan seems to be also.

[amgarrety]

Subaru doesn't have some sort of special brace for the Blitzen6? I find it hard to believe that the Blitzen6 was an H6 with a body kit only.

[Yamazaki]

Mechanically, ALL the Blitzens were basically the RSK/RS30 (and GT-B/GT30) with a body kit. Sure, some had an upgraded LSD (M/T models) or front 4pots ('02-'03 models), but that's it as far as "special" mechanical stuff goes.

[LibertyFLS]

Picture time!

Exhaust:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3537_zps5mr1f8fy.jpg.html)

Old rotor/New rotor:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3531_zpshtffd9p7.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3530_zpscgfyhcgj.jpg.html)

Caliper w/bracket and SS brakeline:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3533_zpse3kov87v.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3532_zpsb8mcrzga.jpg.html)

Side view:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3534_zpsinmpzqxg.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3536_zpseqridxfn.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3535_zpsyclxiuly.jpg.html)


Very nice.

Columbia MD huh? I lived there from 86-96 and then headed West, never looked back. Personally I hated it there, the HoCo cops were the most..... never mind. I did like Baltimore and DC though.

Anyhow, I see you have Nissan Z32 rear calipers, did they bolt right up with just the bracket? What about Z32 fronts? Reason I ask is that I have a complete set I got for my M45 (which definitely bolt up) but they've been sitting in a box for 6-7 months now and I'm not sure I'll put them on the M or not as I'd rather have a true aftermarket BBK on that car. If the Z32 calipers fit the Subaru, I might not mind sticking them on (grinding off NISSAN letters).

[rougeben83]

the front z calipers need an adapter made by Global Z. They use the Legacy GT 05+ front rotors.

[Yamazaki]

Well I don't know about Z32 brakes, but if they're the same as the BNR32 brakes, then yes. They bolt right up with the bracket (and you have to remove the old bracket). I was under the understanding that BNR32 front brakes bolted right up without anything though... that they're identical to the FHI 4pots. I could be wrong about that though. I already had the fronts so I didn't look too closely at them.

[LibertyFLS]

R32 and Z32 calipers in the rear are identical, the fronts are only slightly larger and made of steel on the R32 vs. Z32 which came with either steel or aluminum, they are a little smaller than the R32 version, but we're talking like hardly noticeable. I had a set of R32 fronts and Z32 rears on my Q45, I was actually the first guy in the States to do the R/Z32 conversion on a Q45, there is a long writeup on VIPstylecars.com about it. For the M45 I just got a full Z32 set rather than get the R32's from Japan since they're so similar.

But like I said, they're sitting in a box for more than 6 months, so maybe I could actually put them to use. So I need brackets from Global Z and the Legacy GT 05+ front rotors and that's it for the front? Where did you get the brackets for the rear calipers?

Thanks!!

[Yamazaki]

The rear brake brackets were from kartboy.


Anyway, here are the pictures I promised earlier in the week:

Proof that the car was riding on the bump stops:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3647_zpsnnsb6oks.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3647_zpsnnsb6oks.jpg.html)

Those damn spacers:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3648_zpsuipxns4b.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3648_zpsuipxns4b.jpg.html)

With Bilstein/STi suspension, rubbing of the tire after I put the correct size on:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3650_zpsjd8hqmcg.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3650_zpsjd8hqmcg.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3649_zpsf0ofq4cy.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3649_zpsf0ofq4cy.jpg.html)

The rubbing would've been worse if I had left the suspension on longer than a couple days and not drive so carefully with it. I think I need to get a set of US Legacy GT struts/springs... Maybe that'd work better. I took a closer look at the spacers and it looks like I would have to essentially replace the entire rear sub frame with one from a Legacy if I'd like to run those Bilsteins ever again.

And I still haven't found a place I trust to install the rear wiper motor yet...


I'm starting to get discouraged... Why the hell couldn't Subaru just make the RS30 for here?!

[amgarrety]

Sorry if you already mentioned it, but what is the problem with installing the rear windshield motor?

[Yamazaki]

I'm not comfortable drilling in metal. There is an existing hole for the motor assembly, but nowhere to bolt it to. I'd have to drill a place to bolt it to and I'm not going to do that for fear of messing that up.

[elislider]

The rubbing would've been worse if I had left the suspension on longer than a couple days and not drive so carefully with it. I think I need to get a set of US Legacy GT struts/springs... Maybe that'd work better. I took a closer look at the spacers and it looks like I would have to essentially replace the entire rear sub frame with one from a Legacy if I'd like to run those Bilsteins ever again.

And I still haven't found a place I trust to install the rear wiper motor yet...
I'm starting to get discouraged... Why the hell couldn't Subaru just make the RS30 for here?!
Every time people talk about lowering their Outbacks, I tell them this. If you expect to be able to lower an outback like you would an L/GT, you're gonna have a bad time. The geometry is going to get screwed up if you drop it too far. the only "real" way to do it is to pull all the chassis lift parts out of the car. that means: front and rear crossmembers, transmission crossmember, driveshaft. if its a manual, also some of the shift linkage parts.

[dodik]

you can run your bilsteins no problem just need 1"min top hat spacer. I actually think of making some for my ohlins coilovers.

[Yamazaki]

you can run your bilsteins no problem just need 1"min top hat spacer. I actually think of making some for my ohlins coilovers.
Hmm, I am intrigued by this.

I wouldn't be riding on the bump stops if I did that?

[Dead91silvia]

you can run your bilsteins no problem just need 1"min top hat spacer. I actually think of making some for my ohlins coilovers.
Hmm, I am intrigued by this.

I wouldn't be riding on the bump stops if I did that?

That sounds like it would work just fine, but you would need to do it to both front and rear... I would think...

[Nate_B4_Blitzen]

you can run your bilsteins no problem just need 1"min top hat spacer. I actually think of making some for my ohlins coilovers.
Hmm, I am intrigued by this.

I wouldn't be riding on the bump stops if I did that?

Damn your Blitzen6 project looks AWESOME! :smt023

I have posted my 2003 Blitzen in the for sell forum… I am trying to give a Member the chance to buy it before I transfer from Okinawa, Japan…

BTW, Please Skype me whenever you get the chance.

-Nate

[dodik]

i was referring to spacers like in the link below, not sure if 1" will be enough thats something you should guesstimate as i never had bilsteins on mine
http://www.subtle-solutions.com/product ... a54c704e2f (http://www.subtle-solutions.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25_64_92&products_id=138&osCsid=398081c17db312404817c6a54c704e2f)

[Yamazaki]

Got the electro-illuminescent gauge cluster installed. No pictures though. It looks just like rkrenicki's.

I've done everything big except the rear wiper now.... I guess there's no more avoiding it. I'll try to get it installed (even if not wired up) before the February meet. I just wish I could find a shop I could trust around here.

[Dead91silvia]

Do you have the wiper switch for the column from a wagon? Let me know if you need one, I know where a few are.

If you want to wait till I'm there, we can get that done. Shouldnt take too long to do, I mean the drilling and such. The wiring should be a breeze for you.

[Yamazaki]

Do you have the wiper switch for the column from a wagon? Let me know if you need one, I know where a few are.

If you want to wait till I'm there, we can get that done. Shouldnt take too long to do, I mean the drilling and such. The wiring should be a breeze for you.I've already got the column from a Forester (It has 'intermediate' setting. The wagons don't) and installed it. I just need the wiper control module (separate from motor) and wire everything up. I can get one, I just haven't yet.
I may wait for you to get here to install the wiper motor. But I want to do it very precisely. I want it to match the S401 as closely as possible.

[wentz912]

Do you have the wiper switch for the column from a wagon? Let me know if you need one, I know where a few are.

If you want to wait till I'm there, we can get that done. Shouldnt take too long to do, I mean the drilling and such. The wiring should be a breeze for you.I've already got the column from a Forester (It has 'intermediate' setting. The wagons don't) and installed it. I just need the wiper control module (separate from motor) and wire everything up. I can get one, I just haven't yet.
I may wait for you to get here to install the wiper motor. But I want to do it very precisely. I want it to match the S401 as closely as possible.


I don't like being "that" guy, but do you really mean intermediate setting, or intermittent? Was curious why my wagon doesn't have that setting, good to know that none of the wagons did!

[elislider]

intermittent for the rear? or intermittent for the front wipers?

[Dead91silvia]

Do you have the wiper switch for the column from a wagon? Let me know if you need one, I know where a few are.

If you want to wait till I'm there, we can get that done. Shouldnt take too long to do, I mean the drilling and such. The wiring should be a breeze for you.I've already got the column from a Forester (It has 'intermediate' setting. The wagons don't) and installed it. I just need the wiper control module (separate from motor) and wire everything up. I can get one, I just haven't yet.
I may wait for you to get here to install the wiper motor. But I want to do it very precisely. I want it to match the S401 as closely as possible.


I don't like being "that" guy, but do you really mean intermediate setting, or intermittent? Was curious why my wagon doesn't have that setting, good to know that none of the wagons did!

There are a few different configurations. I'm assuming that Yamazaki is referring to having adjustable intermittent front wipers. Few cars got them. All Subaru's do have an 'intermittent' setting, but not all are adjustable. Rears also have an 'intermittent' setting, but not adjustable... As far as I know.

[Yamazaki]

Oops. Yeah, I meant 'intermittent'. And it's for the rear. I was talking about installing the rear wiper after all....

[98legwag]

What year Forester is the switch from? I have been thinking forever that I want an intermittent rear wiper.

[Yamazaki]

I got mine from an '05. You need the switch AND the control module. If you keep the wagon module, the intermittent function won't work. I found this all out when I did this to my Impreza.

[98legwag]

OK. Thanks.

[Dead91silvia]

What year Forester is the switch from? I have been thinking forever that I want an intermittent rear wiper.

If it's for your 98 BK, you will need one from a 2nd gen, I'm thinking.

[elislider]

ah ok intermittent rear wiper. my legacy doesnt have that (i'm pretty sure) but it seems foresters do
TIL.

[rkrenicki]

EDIT: nevermind, I didnt read a few posts up, hah!

[Yamazaki]

Ordered some dynamat in the hopes of reducing some wind/road/general noise. I'd like to be able to hear the speakers and/or passengers as clearly as when the car is sitting at idle.

We'll see how well that turns out.

[rkrenicki]

Have you changed your front window gussets? I know I had some wind noise before I replaced both sides with new ones. I know they redesigned them sometime in the 03MY to last longer, but mine were just starting to make noise.

[elislider]

my 03 Legacy had terrible wind noise from the driver's side mirror, i just rolled the window down, squeezed the triangle bit together, and rolled the window back up. the rubber actually seals against the window now, problem solved.

[rkrenicki]

That rubber triangle is what I was talking about. Subaru calls it the Gusset panel.

[drtylggy]

Dynomat is very good. How much are you installing? I bought a small patch to reduce rattle with the sound system, the little bit made a large difference. It's heavy but it works like a charm.

[Yamazaki]

I actually have spare gusset panels (from the original doors). I have squeezed the part that I need to together, but it never stays very long. I decided to "restore" the extras by heating them up, clamping them, then letting them chill in the Mid-Atlantic cold of winter.

They didn't stay "restored" for very long. So then I pressed them in from the sides (where the metal is beneath the rubber) and now it seals with the window very well. But there is a gap between the mirror and the gusset and that makes a new wind noise. I'll come up with something eventually. I'm not paying money for new ones.

I got the Dynamat already. I thought I had ordered 72 sq ft, but I guess I only ordered 36 sq ft. I got the newer "Xtreme" Dynamat. It's supposed to be much lighter and just as effective. Got a 1/4" Dynaliner to go in the trunk as well. Hopefully it'll reduce the exhaust noise a little.
Also got a Sony XS-GS1720S while I was at it. But I don't know if I would rather put that in the Impreza or not.

[rkrenicki]

I messed with the gussets on my BG too many times, thats why when I bought the BE, I just went out and bought new gussets to be done with it. My old ones were not that bad, but I did not want to have to mess with them again for a very long time. I could bring down the ones I took off if you want them.

[elislider]

I think the 2nd gen and earlier ones didn't have any (or as much) metal reinforcement in them, but on the 3rd gen, theres definitely metal in the gusset piece, and you can bend it back together a bit. When I did it, its stayed nice and sealed for the last 6 months. who knows how it will be in the future

[Yamazaki]

I noticed I don't have any recent full-body pictures of the car. I'll change that this weekend.

[nikolaus.conrad]

I noticed I don't have any recent full-body pictures of the car. I'll change that this weekend.
Please do :smt023

[Yamazaki]

Pictures (I'll even go against my usual method and post non-thumbnails)

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/06/DSCF3660_zpsia9yzcla-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/06/DSCF3663_zpselycu6cr-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/06/DSCF3665_zpspy3acidb-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/06/DSCF3661_zpsj4jfsbci-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/06/DSCF3664_zpseq2mxpzq-1.jpg

[nikolaus.conrad]

Very very cool! Looks like it came from the factory!

[amgarrety]

Yeah it looks great in these pictures! Part of me thinks the higher ride height looks really cool for some reason. It's probably because I'm so used to the Blitzen being low to the ground normally.

Also, why are the doors only blue on the outside? :razz:

[rkrenicki]

Wow, that looks great! I am a fan of that ride height myself.

For some reason, I never noticed that your headlights lights are silver, it looks good on the dark car.

Is that a Totoro in the cupholder? lol

[Yamazaki]

For some reason, I never noticed that your headlights lights are silver, it looks good on the dark car.
That's because only the Blitzen had silver headlights. When I was gathering parts, I wanted everything to be Blitzen.

Is that a Totoro in the cupholder? lol
Yes. My wife loves Totoro.

[rkrenicki]

Is that a Totoro in the cupholder? lol
Yes. My wife loves Totoro.

Well, that is because Miyazaki films are awesome. :)

[MRLancaster]

Wow was nervous about the ride height until I saw pictures! It actually fits the car! This is one unique car! Amazing work! Very well done!

[Zac]

how much did the paint job cost?

[Yamazaki]

Thanks for the nice words guys. However, it's a bit disappointing in person. You'll see what I'm talking about at the meet.


how much did the paint job cost?Way more than I should've spent on such a poor quality job. I'll be having the whole car redone at some point. I won't be putting on the rainguards, moonroof wind deflector, and other badges until that is done. But I don't think I'll be able to do that until April-ish timeframe.

[EDIT: I changed the pictures in my first post to show the evolution of the car instead of just a bunch of parts]

[amgarrety]

My favorite headlights are definitely the S401 lights that are a dark or smoked chrome. The silver looks pretty good too, but I'm definitely a fan of the darker look.

[Yamazaki]

I installed the Dynamat in all the doors and put in only all the door speakers (front Sony, rear Alpine). The tweeters require some modification to fit and I don't even know what to do with the crossover boxes. So they'll have to wait.
I haven't driven it yet to see if it's more quiet. I figure if my wife notices and tells me, then I'll know there's a difference.

But she didn't know what was different when I swapped the old cluster for the BFM cluster, so who knows....

[rkrenicki]

But she didn't know what was different when I swapped the old cluster for the BFM cluster, so who knows....

Hah, my wife could not figure out the difference either, but then again she has not driven the car since I have done it.

In the past, I have stashed the crossover modules in the bottom of the door, as far away from any window mechanism as I could. I generally just double-side tape them to either the outside skin or to one of the inside ribs.

These kind of zip-tie anchors work great for keeping the new speaker wires away from mechanisms as well:

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o739/rkrenickisli/anchor_zps05934e3d.gif

[Yamazaki]

I got most of the trunk done and realized I only have two sheets of Dynamat left (granted, I used one sheet in the Impreza, but I thought there'd be leftover) and that's nowhere near enough to finish the rest of the car...

I am ordering more, but this is becoming more expensive than I had planned. The car better be damn silent on the inside after I'm done...

[rkrenicki]

Are you also doing the floorpan or just the doors and trunk?

[Yamazaki]

I'm doing EVERYTHING. Including the roof and firewall. I want that car sealed up in sound absorbing material. Well, that's the plan anyway. I'm not ordering anymore after this so I guess I'm going to cover whatever I can.

[hansvonaxion]

Hope you're not covering the whole surface, you just need to cover about 25% to reduce resonance, more than that is a waste of money apparently. You can use it in conjunction with a sound absorbing foam which will probably work out cheaper and give better results than covering everything with dynamat.

[rkrenicki]

I wonder what kind of weight that will add to the car as well. Dynamat isn't exactly light stuff.

[Yamazaki]

It isn't that heavy. I'd say I'm canceling the weight loss of the front and rear bumper beams. That leaves the hood, seats, and other little things as weight loss. So I still come out ahead.

[Yamazaki]

So did a marathon session with the car this weekend and finished all the Dynamat. I had heard it with just the doors and it was a little quieter, but not much. Now that the car is almost wrapped in Dynamat, it's actually really quiet. If I were to replace all of the seals around windows, I suspect it'd be near silent (you can still hear the exhaust, but it isn't overwhelmingly obnoxious anymore). I didn't Dynamat the roof or much of the firewall (due to it being a complete pain), but I am very happy with the result. And I don't notice the weight gain either.

And proof that it made a difference... my wife noticed.

[amgarrety]

And proof that it made a difference... my wife noticed.


Did you tell her to listen for it? Or did she say something on her own? Because only one of those options counts.

[Yamazaki]

Well, she knew I was working on making it quieter, but she isn't so easily influenced (if she were, I'd have an '03 Forester that I tried all week to convince her we need). You are actually the only other person to have heard the noise in the car, so I welcome you to ride in it again. You will notice.

[amgarrety]

I'm actually very curious to see how it sounds, because I think of the Legacy as a relatively quiet car already, but I had thought of seeing how much quieter I could get it so I could get the most out of a really nice and clear sound system.

[Dead91silvia]

And proof that it made a difference... my wife noticed.
Now that is impressive!

[Yamazaki]

So while I had the interior out and prepared for dynamat, I took some pictures.

There is an empty slot in the rails here:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/02/th_DSCF3669-1.jpg (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp350/yamazakisubaru/car%20parts%20accessories/My%20project/DSCF3669.jpg)

And that's because it is actually for the line for the rear wiper:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/02/th_DSCF3670-1.jpg (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp350/yamazakisubaru/car%20parts%20accessories/My%20project/DSCF3670.jpg)

And the line continues to the back:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/02/th_DSCF3671-1.jpg (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp350/yamazakisubaru/car%20parts%20accessories/My%20project/DSCF3671.jpg)

The interior torn out for the last time:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/02/th_DSCF36731-1.jpg (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp350/yamazakisubaru/car%20parts%20accessories/My%20project/DSCF3673-1.jpg)

[slaytalera]

Nice that they left the slot for the rear wiper....now if only it were viable to get a rear windshield with the hole already in it

[rougeben83]

you think taking out the roof liner can be a one-man job? That's the only spot on my care I haven't dynomatted...

[r3v_v3ng3]

Love your cars! you got all the goodies

[Yamazaki]

you think taking out the roof liner can be a one-man job? That's the only spot on my care I haven't dynomatted...
I happen to know that it is indeed a one-man job. I had to do it to replace the moonroof assembly.

[amgarrety]

you think taking out the roof liner can be a one-man job? That's the only spot on my care I haven't dynomatted...
I happen to know that it is indeed a one-man job. I had to do it to replace the moonroof assembly.

Even if it isn't, you'll have help later this week. Two people will definitely make it easier.

[amgarrety]

Dat body roll.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/02/JpIcBWAl-1.jpg

[kiyo1990]

FIX THAT ROLL!! jkjk I believe mine has more

That is cool you found that line for rear end

[Yamazaki]

Dat body roll.
Wow, that's bad. But at least I have a plan to do something about that. It's the recent revelation about the power (or lack of) that has me wondering what to do next.

[rkrenicki]

Dat body roll.
There was one point where Dead91silvia and I were joking about it three wheeling around a corner, heh.


It's the recent revelation about the power (or lack of) that has me wondering what to do next.
I feel bad that about this. This and pointing out amgarrety's different headlights..

[amgarrety]

It's the recent revelation about the power (or lack of) that has me wondering what to do next.
I feel bad that about this. This and pointing out amgarrety's different headlights..

You were on a roll, ruining everyone's hopes and dreams, weren't you? :razz:

[drtylggy]

You were on a roll, ruining everyone's hopes and dreams, weren't you? :razz:


Or did he make one, considering S401 lights are gems. Plus if Yamazaki ever needs a replacement, you've got him covered

[Yamazaki]

Well, right now I'm debating heavily whether I want to do something about the engine, or just give up on it and focus my efforts on a special project I am considering.

I'm leaning towards abandoning the H6 in favor of doing something to a different car.

[chrish8r]

Holy roll!!

My wagon probably looks like that. Haha

[MRLancaster]

Well, right now I'm debating heavily whether I want to do something about the engine, or just give up on it and focus my efforts on a special project I am considering.

I'm leaning towards abandoning the H6 in favor of doing something to a different car.


I mean the H6 runs, as long as the engine isnt destroying itself from within, I say start the new thing. ;) I will be gladly to help out!

[rougeben83]

still bummed I didn't get to see this up close, in person :-( Its the wife's car anyway right? I think you said before shed prefer more of a comfy DD than anything else...

[rkrenicki]

I just noticed that you changed the thread title with "slow" :(

I would not go quite that far, it held its own against the 5th gen. I know it has been a frustrating run with the car as of late, but I would not completely abandon the car quite yet, especially when you are pretty close to it being "done".

If it were me, I would finish the rear wiper, stick the outback endlinks back in, probably put standard exhaust back in, and then just finish up the interior bits and call it a day.

[amgarrety]

Yeah, I don't know who you're calling slow, but you left me sitting in place on the highway.

[kiyo1990]

I hope you done give up

[Dead91silvia]

Yeah, I don't know who you're calling slow, but you left me sitting in place on the highway.

This is true! LOL! I even tried to catch up with Mikes car! haha!


I got to drive the Blitzen yesterday and I thought it did just fine. I thought it was quite nice to drive in DC actually!

[MRLancaster]

It is a very fun and comfy car, don't abandon it. Hey, for a 12 year old or so car to keep up with a 13....I enjoyed it!

Garrety was too scared. ;)

[kiyo1990]

Hell if it can keep with a '13 then thats sickly impressive

[Yamazaki]

Okay, "abandon" is too strong a word. I mean that I'll just try to forget about all the things that are bothering me about it.

As for it's power.... look at the other cars I have. Sure I don't expect the H6 to compete with either of them, but I do expect it to at least do better that it does.

[MRLancaster]

Better said.

[1996Battlewagon]

I honestly believe it isn't the engine's fault: it's its reciprocal parts. The 4EAT always wants to keep it below its optimal rev range and there are so many restrictive catalysts that it never feels the way you know it "could". Don't get me wrong, it's a beautifully smooth operator and when mitigated properly, it can haul some serious ass but 95% of the time, it simply doesn't want to. I've come to that conclusion and for that reason, I would never put "performance" parts on my H6.

I bet you any money that the 08-09 3.0Rs "feel" the way we think our EZ30Ds were going to.

[MRLancaster]

The other H6 that was there behaved much peppier....so I think it's the engine.

[Yamazaki]

The other H6 that was there behaved much peppier....so I think it's the engine.
Truth. rkrenicki's BEE and my BEE both have the same engine (his even has more miles!), but his is far more responsive.
But my engine also makes a ticking noise.... and that can't be good.

[rkrenicki]

How many miles are on the car now?

I wonder if the timing chain tensioners are going on your car, creating some chain slap (the noise) and some minor cam timing offsets (the minor lack of power)? I know that the chain itself is generally fine for a long time, but those tensioners are not so robust.

[Yamazaki]

It has about 153K miles on it now.

I would love to have the engine taken apart and rebuilt before fitting it with a supercharger, but that doesn't seem like it'll happen anytime soon. Even if I had the money, I would still need another car for the wife to use while the H6 was down.

For the time being, the car (and engine) are just going to stay as-is unless something unexpectedly bad occurs.

[dodik]

dood, I have thought that same thing over and over that just a bit tiny more power would do the trick nothing major like 200 at the wheels. But then again being a DD car you will be fixing it way more than driving it once you start messing with the engine. One thing I noticed after living with H6 for six years that if you do want it to move it will but you will waste a ton of fuel. Get it past 4.4k rpms from the start and it will move.

[amgarrety]

Or, drive a *non-turbo* H4 for a month, then report back to me. I bet you that H6 will have sufficient power then.

[rkrenicki]

Also keep in mind that your engine and drivetrain has about 30k more miles on it than mine has. I just hit 123k on the way back from the meet.

[Dead91silvia]

How many miles are on the car now?

I wonder if the timing chain tensioners are going on your car, creating some chain slap (the noise) and some minor cam timing offsets (the minor lack of power)? I know that the chain itself is generally fine for a long time, but those tensioners are not so robust.

I'm thinking Rob might be right... You might have a tensioner that is not working properly. Might be why there is a small hesitation when you punch it at a stop. Then again it might also need a set of plugs and those can do wonders.

[Yamazaki]

Also keep in mind that your engine and drivetrain has about 30k more miles on it than mine has. I just hit 123k on the way back from the meet.
Wait, really? I thought you had more than I did.

Anyway, I'm doing research on this...

...later. Much later.

[dodik]

im at 215k and still not afraid to floor it

[rkrenicki]

Wait, really? I thought you had more than I did.


Yep, bought her last February with just under 108k on the clock.



Anyway, I'm doing research on this...

...later. Much later.

I fully understand, besides.. you need to focus on your new project which I can't wait to see!

[Yamazaki]

I've been negligent in my updating.
Except for the lugnuts, I've had these things on for awhile now:
Black spline drive lugnuts; leather shifter trim; '05 STi steering wheel; KYB struts with H&R springs. Now I just need to learn how to take a decent picture.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/DSCF3923-1.jpg https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/DSCF3922-1.jpg

[Dead91silvia]

Nice! :smt023

[rkrenicki]

Very nice! Do you have the airbag and cruise stalk working? I can not remember if it was you or amgarrety who had the Airbag stuck "On".

[Dead91silvia]

I think it's the Blitzen with it on since he took the USDM seats out that have airbags. I remember that when I was over there in Feb... We talked about making resistors or something of the sort to make the dash bags work again with the JDM seats.

[amgarrety]

Yeah that must've been him. The extent of my airbag problems was that my light never turned off. So I just removed it. A very simple fix.

[Dead91silvia]

Then you both have the same problem...

[dodik]

I fixed mine with a 2 ohm resistor iirc, all that is needed is one resistor per plug stick one end in one pinout the other in the second one tape so it doesn't fall out and enjoy. mine has been in place for about 5 years now.

[Yamazaki]

Yeah I've known how to fix it. I did the same thing for the Impreza when I put the Recaros in back in '08. There's a number of little things like that I haven't got around to doing yet. There are other things that are higher priority in my life these days.

I hope to tie up all the little loose ends at some point and I'll definitely post it when I do.

[Lancaster6]

Did you rub at all with the KYB/H&R setup?

[elislider]

i have the resistors needed for removing seats with airbags. did it for my car, its very easy and flawless. can ship you a couple for $10 or whatever.

[Yamazaki]

i have the resistors needed for removing seats with airbags. did it for my car, its very easy and flawless. can ship you a couple for $10 or whatever.
I actually have what I need already. Like I said, I just haven't gotten around to actually putting it in. I still haven't put in the new gussets that rkrenicki got me either. There's a lot that I have to do, but haven't due to time and priorities.
Did you rub at all with the KYB/H&R setup? It did until I put spacers in. Now it only rubs if I'm trying to hammer it around a tight corner or hit a hard bump. What I need to do is get BEE front springs. I thought the weight loss from the Japanese bumper/hood would make it better, but the 3.0 DOHC is just so much heavier than the 2.5 SOHC engine.

[Lancaster6]

It did until I put spacers in. Now it only rubs if I'm trying to hammer it around a tight corner or hit a hard bump. What I need to do is get BEE front springs. I thought the weight loss from the Japanese bumper/hood would make it better, but the 3.0 DOHC is just so much heavier than the 2.5 SOHC engine.
Good to know! I've been tossing around the idea of using the set up on my BH, but wanted to double check as I have the H6 as well. A couple questions, what spacers did you use? I found that Subtle Solutions has a 3/8'' spacers for the front but I'm not sure if that would be enough. If you get BEE front springs would you keep the H&Rs in the rear? These are probably noob questions but suspension is a fairly new world I'm trying to acquaint myself with!

[Yamazaki]

I actually just put five washers on each bolt underneath the car. I can't fit my strut tower bar now though. I wish I had kept the original springs now. What I recommend, is to take the Legacy struts but keep the Outback H6 springs. It's what I am going to try to go back to. The rears don't rub at all right now, but I think it may look a little funny if I left them on and put the H6 springs on the front. I'll find out eventually.

Considering some of the extremely simple things I have yet to do, I probably won't get around to this soon. As long as my wife drives it, there isn't much problem. If I had to drive it everyday, then I'd change it right away.

[Lancaster6]

Ahh okay! Hey if it works that's sweet. I don't have a strut bar so I wouldn't have that issue. I do occasionally take turns a bit quick, on/off ramps I take at speed too...so I may go the route you suggested with legacy struts with the existing springs. I think that's what CarDoc did, I believe you "met" him in the new introductions area. His drop looks pretty groovy.

Hope he doesn't mind me posting his pic as an example. The more I look at it the more I really like it.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/cardoc_zps6da07c2a-1.jpg
Disclaimer: This is not my picture, all credit goes to CarDoc

[rkrenicki]

I am going to try Legacy struts with OEM Legacy springs instead of the H&R lowering ones. If it does not work out, then I will do it with the Outback springs

[Lancaster6]

I am going to try Legacy struts with OEM Legacy springs instead of the H&R lowering ones. If it does not work out, then I will do it with the Outback springs
I wonder how much lower you'll get with Legacy springs compared to the KYB/H6 spring set up. If it closes up that wheel gap just a bit more it'd be perfect. I don't want to slam my car but I am a sucker for lowered wagons. :smile:

[dodik]

for reference legacy kyb gr-2 struts with OEM H6 sedan springs
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/11/CAR014-1.jpg

[rkrenicki]

how big of a drop did that give you? the front tire is sort of blending in with the wheel well in that picture, but it looks like about 2 inches in the rear?

[dodik]

iirc it was about 2 inches in the back and probably same in the front, i havent had that suspension on for a couple years. front looks higher but its due to rear arch being lower on the body

[Bianrox]

That rear bumper is just awesome! I mean, the whole car is too but that BUMPER!! I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye out for one of those! (oh wait, 1200USD?)

Holy crap, I didn't know how rare this vehicle really was until I continued searching for Blitzen. Now I'm three times as impressed as I was 15 minutes ago.

Like wow

[Yamazaki]

Thanks man! I tried to make the exterior as authentic as I could (with exception of substituting the '02~'03 spoiler with the '00~'01 spoiler). Most people don't understand how rare/unusual the '02~'03 Blitzen look actually is. I appreciate your comment!

[rkrenicki]

I just noticed that you have a MT shifter boot on there, that looks really good on there.. When did you do that?

[Yamazaki]

Awhile ago actually. I got the shifter from MRLancaster on the day of the "jackstand incident".

[MmmCheese]

wanna trade those seats! lol whats up man its jesse from the meet today with the slammed forester... "beige1" lol

[Yamazaki]

wanna trade those seats! lol whats up man its jesse from the meet today with the slammed forester... "beige1" lol
Awesome, I'm glad to see you back!

[Yamazaki]

So I finally got around to doing a few really simple things that I haven't done yet. I replaced the door mirror gussets, wired up the dimmer for the combination cluster, and replaced the fuel filler cap tether that had broken a long while ago. Tomorrow, I plan to install Baja springs, STi pitch mount, D type rear suspension brace, and a grounding kit.

That's the plan anyway. We'll see what really happens. At some point I really have to get that rear wiper motor mounted.

[Yamazaki]

Finally installed the Baja springs. This is the setup I should've been running the whole time. No rubbing at all, I have full range of motion, and it's comfortable. And it looks about the same height as a stock Legacy.

I also put on the STi pitchmount, but it's identical (down to the bushings) to the one that was already on the H6. The only difference is that the STi one has "STi" written on the top.

Items still to be done:
1) grounding wires
2) D type rear suspension brace
3) rear wiper motor mounting (still...)

[rkrenicki]

How different are the Baja springs from the original Outback ones? Or did you not compare them?

[Yamazaki]

I couldn't compare them since the Outback springs were traded for the H&R springs. However, I am fairly certain they are identical (the '03 Baja and Outback anyway).

[dodik]

nope baja springs are stiffer and taller, what struts are you running them on? My rear end is skyhigh, and with load of 700lbs on the car barely starts to drop.

[Yamazaki]

I was going off of this:

Baja Coil Springs (Part numbers: 20380AE39A, 20330AE44A, 20330AE45A). These are stock springs for the 2003 Baja and should be the same parts as the H6 Outback). I paid nearly $190 for these. They are brand new and have never been installed. I bought them with the intent of lowering my 2006 Baja slightly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v366/subaru_lumpy/Springs_zps045ecd09.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/subaru_lumpy/media/Springs_zps045ecd09.jpg.html)

[rkrenicki]

I dug around FAST for a bit and this is what I come up with for B12 chassis, Model Year "D" (Production dates: 20020101-20030630):

The only front spring part that lists "T.BAJA" also lists "S.SUS6, W.OBK6 and W.OBK6+LB" and is part number 20330AE33A (no side indicated).
However, "S.SUS6, W.OBK6 and W.OBK6+LB" also lists 20330AE54A (Right) and 20330AE55A (Left)

The rears are the same as the W.OBK6 and W.OBK6+LB, the sedan has different part numbers from the Wagon/Baja and looks to be the same between SUS and SUS6.

[dodik]

ok just did a quick search i went with 20380AE50A baja turbo springs 05-06 iirc. thats why they are taller

[Yamazaki]

So rkrenicki was in town a few days ago and helped me [i.e: did everything himself while I watched] do the rear trunk light mod and tied the front wiper heater to the rear window heater. Thanks!
I want to make it so when I hit the 'unlock' button on the keyfob, it unlocks all the doors instead of having to press it twice. That's how the Japanese cars are and it makes more sense. I plan to do this on the Impreza as well.

[Reuben]

Eh? They don't do all doors with the key fob for usdm's? That's odd!

[amgarrety]

We have 2-stage unlocking over here, which is a pain in the ass more than anything. Hitting "unlock" once unlocks the drivers door. Hit it again to unlock all doors.

[rkrenicki]

I have some time today to look at the diagrams for the keyless entry, I hope to have something for you later today.

[Yamazaki]

Hi, it's been a long while since I've been on. Not too much new going on, but I do have a question. What is the difference between these?:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/ ... 1784_98000 (http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Bosch-Oxygen-Sensor/2002-Subaru-Outback-AWD/_/N-jhsyyZ9l2xh?itemIdentifier=854597_125083_1784_98000)
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/ ... 1784_98000 (http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Bosch-Oxygen-Sensor/2002-Subaru-Outback-AWD/_/N-jhsyyZ9l2xh?itemIdentifier=854545_102074_1784_98000)

[rkrenicki]

The Bosch website calls out 15942 as the correct downstream sensor, I cant seem to find the other one.

[Dead91silvia]

Sometimes it's just the wire length. I think the heated ones (like what these are) cost more for some reason.

Those buggers are spendy. I did the up stream ons in my H6 before I sold it. $300 in sensors by the time I was done.

[dodik]

on H6 upstream are AFR sensors not really an Oxygen per say, but the rear ones are just that same old oxygen sensors i used a generic one couple years ago from amazon haven't heard any complains yet

[Yamazaki]

So I'm starting to wonder if I could really finish a grand restoration project if I started it, or if I should just finish the rear wiper and sell the H6 so that I can get a car that I will not be tempted to mess with. I've been looking at Mercedes most recently. We tested a CLK500, and the wife approved.

If I had some way of knowing that I could do the full project and not run out of steam and give up, I'd go for it. But I just don't think I have it in me. The days of the H6 may be numbered...

[amgarrety]

As much as I really like the idea of the Blitzen6, it might be best to go with a reliable and comfortable (and newer) car. Especially since it is your wife's car.

That's my personal opinion anyway.

[Dead91silvia]

My feelings on Mercedes is already known... I thought you were possibly getting a Celica? I like those much better. Super reliable also.

I can understand wanting something newer though. I'm going through that right now.

I do think you are selling yourself short of being able to go through the H6. I think you have the ability, and with the things you dont, I think you could learn it. I think it could be a fun project for ya.

[Yamazaki]

The Celica is only if I do the great restoration project because it would be temporary. That's the other issue - doing the restoration, I have to buy a cheap car that I won't hate. I think that will be difficult to do in and of itself. You know my bar.
However, if I sell the H6, I'll have about an extra 10K to spend. It may not be a whole lot, but it's the difference between a crap car and a decent one that doesn't need any modification.

[Muse]

an extra $10k? Please tell me that's not what you'd be looking at listing it for?

[Reuben]

The grass isn't actually greener on the other side of the fence, is all I'm going to say.

[dodik]

10k? to enthusiast only, after all its a 10yo car with mods that most local shops might not be able to replace if something brakes. Average folk probably is not going to pay that much.

[amgarrety]

10k? to enthusiast only, after all its a 10yo car with mods that most local shops might not be able to replace if something brakes. Average folk probably is not going to pay that much.

I hate to agree with this, but I must.

[Yamazaki]

Well, all of these are about the same, except that none of them are VDC models:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale ... ex=6&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=21044&endYear=2004&modelCode1=SUBOUTBK&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2001&makeCode1=SUB&engineCodes=6CLDR&engineCode=6CLDR&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BSUB%5BSUBOUTBK%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=361414053&listingIndex=6&Log=0)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale ... ex=7&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=21044&endYear=2004&modelCode1=SUBOUTBK&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2001&makeCode1=SUB&engineCodes=6CLDR&engineCode=6CLDR&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BSUB%5BSUBOUTBK%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=353262321&listingIndex=7&Log=0)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale ... ex=4&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=21044&endYear=2004&modelCode1=SUBOUTBK&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2001&makeCode1=SUB&firstRecord=51&engineCodes=6CLDR&engineCode=6CLDR&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BSUB%5BSUBOUTBK%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=360469396&listingIndex=4&Log=0)
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale ... ex=6&Log=0 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=21044&endYear=2004&modelCode1=SUBOUTBK&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=2001&makeCode1=SUB&firstRecord=51&engineCodes=6CLDR&engineCode=6CLDR&searchRadius=0&mmt=%5BSUB%5BSUBOUTBK%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=355677593&listingIndex=6&Log=0)

And that's just a handful. I came up with the price because that seems to be what a BE/BH H6 is going for.

My car can offer everything these can and more stuff that an average person can appreciate (like rear wiper).

[dodik]

i totally see your point, i recently started to look at values myself as soon i will need to upgrade to a newer car and it puzzles me. my car in current condition according to KBB is about 3500 at best the problem is its hard to find one for that price everyone seems to be asking more and looking on subaruoutback.org people are actually paying those prices.
i mean i got mine for 10k ish 7 years ago it had 86k miles on it the car was five years old. Not in a million years will i pay for a standard grocery geter 10k that is 10yo or older.

and rear wiper on a sedan is for car people most people i see in suv's and wagons don't even have or know how to use rear wiper