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Muse
02-19-2017, 03:12 PM
Forgive me, father, for I have strayed.

Well, here it is. The first non-Subaru car I have owned in... well, several automotive iterations.
It is a 1993 Honda Civic Del Sol Si.
1.6l D16 Single-cam Vtec engine mated to a 5-speed manual transmission. The top does not leak, the windows all work, the tires are new, and it has no rot. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, however. There are a few issues to resolve, such as the fenders on both sides being dinged or smashed, depending on which side you're looking at, as well as needing a New turn signal housing. But overall, I think I have spent my $1500 well.2140
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Go Mifune
02-19-2017, 09:27 PM
Very happy to see you have a new toy! Should be a lot of fun.

Muse
02-20-2017, 05:28 PM
Well, not at first. I'm gonna keep it fairly stock at first and commute in it. I've just gotten a new job at a machine shop that's about four times further than my previous delivery job. But I'm not gonna leave it bone stock. For starters, I'm gonna get fiberglass fenders, because, ricecar.

okay, not really. I'm buying them because they're far cheaper than replacement metal fenders.

I also want a few interior bits. Shift knob, maybe an aftermarket steering wheel.

rkrenicki
02-21-2017, 05:33 PM
You need an R2D2 on the back.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/02/ShawnCrosbyAKAObiShawnputheartsoul0mc_Q4-1.jpg

98legwag
02-21-2017, 06:26 PM
I thought these cars were so cool. Then I realized they were fwd. They lost a little coolness factor on that one. I do like that they designed the roof to fit in the trunk.

Muse
02-21-2017, 07:34 PM
I'm already plotting to measure it and see how much modification would be required to fit a Subaru drivetrain... And I haven't even gotten it home yet!

slaytalera
02-21-2017, 10:07 PM
Thats going to take a TON of work....Check out Girodisks Celica->Subaru conversion. I forget if he ever finished it but man was it a ton of work. iirc it was on nasioc

Muse
02-22-2017, 06:04 PM
Well, it's certainly not something that will be happening any time soon.

I tell you what, though, I get why people modify Hondas. Parts are friggin' cheap. And not just off-brand parts, too.

I went and got it registered on temp plates today. It is definitely not a speed demon, but it is peppy. My ears were frozen on the drive, but if you think I was gonna take my maiden voyage with the top up, you are fooling yourself. There is a bit of cowl shake, and the interior is less than perfect, but all in all, it seems to be a solid chassis.
The engine pulls strong, I was able to chirp tires in first and second without really trying. It does leak oil. Not sure where from yet, but it is the top of the motor. Probably valve cover gaskets.
Vtec is either broken or too subtle to notice. My mechanic says it could be either.

Muse
02-25-2017, 03:39 PM
Time for another round of Fun Facts With Muse!

Did you know that paper temporary tags react poorly with dihydrogen oxide? Be sure you keep them shielded from large quantities of dihidrogen oxide, which is often found in such places as car washes!


... Yeah, I am not a smart man. Back to the ol' Leggo for a few days, like it or not. And, man, what a difference there is between them. The Legacy feels so much heavier, but also feels far torquier. Torquey-er. Something. Also, the difference between a clutch with about 2k on it in the Leg, and one with 181k on it in the Sol. Night and day.

Go Mifune
02-25-2017, 05:38 PM
I had an '88 CRX-Si and at first was really disappointed with the acceleration until discovering that you just have to keep it near redline always.

Muse
03-07-2017, 04:09 PM
Took a few pics of the car today.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_151011_zps4yyjzv6h-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_151011_zps4yyjzv6h.jpg.html)
New carbon-fiber wrapped aluminum shift knob and cheapo seat-wedge cup holders:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_150753_zpsgpq4wvtg-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_150753_zpsgpq4wvtg.jpg.html)
The things that need repair:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_150723_zps6mfjfmfr-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_150723_zps6mfjfmfr.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_151022_zpswnlg4jqb-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_151022_zpswnlg4jqb.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_151027_zpslkazskb9-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_151027_zpslkazskb9.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_151035_zpsgshiepqj-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_151035_zpsgshiepqj.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170307_151042_zpsa342uo8f-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170307_151042_zpsa342uo8f.jpg.html)

rkrenicki
03-07-2017, 06:47 PM
Can your antenna not get it up?

Muse
03-07-2017, 09:48 PM
Nope. I'm thinking of getting one of those stubby antennas.

Muse
03-31-2017, 09:10 PM
So, evidently BD spoilers fit Del Sols quite nicely.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/FB_IMG_1490839254347_zpszkw7jebj-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/FB_IMG_1490839254347_zpszkw7jebj.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/FB_IMG_1490839262659_zpsezm9djae-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/FB_IMG_1490839262659_zpsezm9djae.jpg.html)

So, I decided to try the junk spoiler from my old BE parts car.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170330_185917_zps235efxff-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170330_185917_zps235efxff.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170330_185935_zpsizvwmrkw-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170330_185935_zpsizvwmrkw.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170330_185927_zpsslwqwq5s-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170330_185927_zpsslwqwq5s.jpg.html)

Heeey... not too shabby. kinda tall for such a little car, but not insane...
except...
um...
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170330_190043_zpsfzkyamte-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170330_190043_zpsfzkyamte.jpg.html)https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/03/20170330_190053_zpszi1uq4du-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170330_190053_zpszi1uq4du.jpg.html)

Oh... only two bolts would line up, if I even had them... Curses, foiled again.

Go Mifune
03-31-2017, 09:14 PM
So that's a no? How did it work on that other Del Sol? It looks pretty good if it fits.

rkrenicki
03-31-2017, 11:55 PM
The other Del Sol had a BD wing. Muse tried a BE wing which is a tiny bit wider.

Muse
04-11-2017, 10:23 PM
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170411_205153_zpsjajq7joz-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170411_205153_zpsjajq7joz.jpg.html)

I IZ RACEKAR DRIVUR!

Well, not really. Not yet. two weeks until my first autocross. Got the helmet, now I have to get a midpipe and do my valve cover gasket. Gonna paint it up, while it's off. Metallic dark grey.

Muse
04-13-2017, 10:54 PM
Bent my fender vaguely back into shape.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170413_153058_zpspyc8z0bg-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170413_153058_zpspyc8z0bg.jpg.html)

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170413_153109_zpszcc6kqp6-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170413_153109_zpszcc6kqp6.jpg.html)

Dead91silvia
04-14-2017, 11:13 AM
I've actually wanted one of these cars for years. Almost got a CRX back in the day for commuting, but they switched jobs. I like this as a base. I think you will find it will be a good car just for getting from point A to B.

As for AWD.... Start looking at CRV setup. I think it was Dave Brown that built an AWD CRX not too long ago. Cool setup.

Muse
04-14-2017, 11:46 PM
I've actually wanted one of these cars for years. Almost got a CRX back in the day for commuting, but they switched jobs. I like this as a base. I think you will find it will be a good car just for getting from point A to B.

As for AWD.... Start looking at CRV setup. I think it was Dave Brown that built an AWD CRX not too long ago. Cool setup.

Actually, I'm not as convinced that AWD would benefit this car as I was before I drove it. It is a well-balanced FF setup, which I shouldn't be surprised about. Honda has had the time to get their shit figured out. AWD would add unnecessary weight to a car that is all about the power to weight. Naah, I think I'll have to just keep the AWD to the Subarus. And... maybe... just maybe... look into a VR6 swap for this. because the Honda motor is just not that amazing sounding.

Muse
04-16-2017, 11:37 AM
Had to get the valve cover gasket done, so I decided to paint it, while it was off.

Rob pressure washed the cover first, and got a good majority of the paint off, just doing that.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170415_153357_zps2rbxpsse-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170415_153357_zps2rbxpsse.jpg.html)


We then hit it with many coats of metallic grey, in the hopes of filling in the paint that didn't get blasted or sanded off, but it's still a bit crinkly looking.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170415_164641_zpsrzuxca9w-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170415_164641_zpsrzuxca9w.jpg.html)


Sanded the logo back down to bare metal, clearcoated everything multiple times, and installed it. Guh, now my engine bay looks even filthier for having the one nice piece.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170415_203221_zpstrnx9xjv-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170415_203221_zpstrnx9xjv.jpg.html)

98legwag
04-16-2017, 07:59 PM
There is a JDM Importer in Northern VA with a black RHD Del sol front cut.

Dead91silvia
04-17-2017, 01:30 AM
You can do a Type-R or GSR swap really easy in these cars. Like bolt in plug in setups, nothing like Subaru's.

Looks like it's had a new dizzy already! Thats good! lol... They eat those like 25D's eat HG's. haha

amusa
04-17-2017, 08:37 AM
I know my Honda's inside out. Never a fan of the Civic lines (Del So and CRX are Civics). If you want to go the cheap route I would thru a B20 motor in and swap the head to a VTEC (B16/B17/B18C/B18C1 or B18C5). Or if you want a bad ass motor I would look into a K motor.

ITR motor are still over price. For the amount your going to pay for a ITR I would just get a K motor.


Most Honda's are high revving motor.

Muse
04-17-2017, 04:57 PM
There is a JDM Importer in Northern VA with a black RHD Del sol front cut.
Don't tell me this! I'm busy trying to just keep it in running order.


You can do a Type-R or GSR swap really easy in these cars. Like bolt in plug in setups, nothing like Subaru's.

Looks like it's had a new dizzy already! Thats good! lol... They eat those like 25D's eat HG's. haha
Yeah, it's got a new distributor, wires, HG, water pump, timing belt, replacement (junkyard) timing cover, and now, a new valve cover gasket.

I know my Honda's inside out. Never a fan of the Civic lines (Del So and CRX are Civics). If you want to go the cheap route I would thru a B20 motor in and swap the head to a VTEC (B16/B17/B18C/B18C1 or B18C5). Or if you want a bad ass motor I would look into a K motor.

ITR motor are still over price. For the amount your going to pay for a ITR I would just get a K motor.

Most Honda's are high revving motor.
I do love the high-revving nature, but I really don't like the sound of a 4-cylinder Honda. Not deep enough for me. That's why I would dream of a VR6 swap. The noise, more than any torque or power increases. And, yeah, a J swap is possible and would keep it Honda, but, first off, screw the purists, and second, I could fit a VR6 under the hood. A J-series v6 would require a chopped up hood.

Go Mifune
04-17-2017, 08:48 PM
I dunno, this Toyota with a Honda K24 sounds like pure sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yebepjb_Ow

amusa
04-18-2017, 05:40 AM
I do love the high-revving nature, but I really don't like the sound of a 4-cylinder Honda. Not deep enough for me. That's why I would dream of a VR6 swap. The noise, more than any torque or power increases. And, yeah, a J swap is possible and would keep it Honda, but, first off, screw the purists, and second, I could fit a VR6 under the hood. A J-series v6 would require a chopped up hood.

You can throw a J motor. My builder is doing one right now with a J35 mid engine Del So. It's allot of pre-markup and fab work. I think the issue you will have is the hood clearance with a J motor.

Muse
04-20-2017, 05:28 PM
Well, it may be harder to be original in a Honda... but it is super easy to find stuff to do to them.

Got a type R style polyurethane lip for $35. Fitment is pretty good, and I like the way it looks.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170420_150240_zps6r2ec1bp-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170420_150240_zps6r2ec1bp.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170420_150254_zpssdwytufz-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170420_150254_zpssdwytufz.jpg.html)

Muse
04-24-2017, 04:28 PM
I WAS THE WORST!!!!
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/Untitled_zpso4llg8gqpng-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/Untitled_zpso4llg8gq.png.html)
I don't really care, I had a blast, and the car looked great with my crappy tape numbers.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170423_184915_zps6kanixdy-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170423_184915_zps6kanixdy.jpg.html)
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/04/20170424_162631_zpsrtniezoh-1.jpg (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/SubaMuse/media/20170424_162631_zpsrtniezoh.jpg.html)

Go Mifune
04-24-2017, 06:29 PM
I WAS THE WORST!!!!


Only because I wasn't there. Nonetheless, you are now an official race car driver with bragging rights. Going to go again? Does the +1 mean you killed a cone?

98legwag
04-24-2017, 07:43 PM
You were out there having fun. That is all that matters.

Muse
04-24-2017, 11:01 PM
Only because I wasn't there. Nonetheless, you are now an official race car driver with bragging rights. Going to go again? Does the +1 mean you killed a cone?
Oh, I murdered it. It was tragic.

To be honest, if I had been properly hydrating, I could've stayed longer, and definitely would've gotten better times. But I was overexcited when I left the house, and didn't bring water or sunscreen. So, I left pretty early, and didn't get as many runs as everyone else.


You were out there having fun. That is all that matters.

Absolutely. I am definitely going back.

98legwag
04-25-2017, 10:15 AM
I have a couple more things to fix on my car. Then I plan on going to a few autox events this summer.

Muse
05-05-2017, 12:16 AM
Someone caught a few shots of me out on the track!
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2314

Pretty sure this is the run I aborted, due to getting sick.

Go Mifune
05-05-2017, 01:26 AM
That looks pretty intense, especially that top photo. Look at you go, and a tow hook! Can't wait to read about your next time! There used to be a thing in autocross where you'd inflate the hell out of your rear tires so that the back end would lose traction and rotate much quicker. Don't know if that's still done. Had an autocross book I bought in 1988 that recommended it.

Muse
05-06-2017, 10:09 PM
There was a Miata that took that a bit too far. Guy didn't hit any cones until after his lap, but he was already getting sideways as he broke the timing beam, and took out half of the stop box. His first comment was about dropping the tire pressure.

Go Mifune
05-07-2017, 05:57 PM
There was a Miata that took that a bit too far. Guy didn't hit any cones until after his lap, but he was already getting sideways as he broke the timing beam, and took out half of the stop box. His first comment was about dropping the tire pressure.

Sounds like he couldn't handle the pressure. Haha!

Muse
05-07-2017, 09:57 PM
Sounds like he couldn't handle the pressure. Haha!
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2017/05/EsoEstaCheveregif-1.jpg