Impreza vs. WRX vs. STi

[Plays_with_Toys]

So this thread got me kind of riled up:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthr ... ?t=1134016 (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1134016)

I can't stand how off kilter alot of the turbo guys are. They get insulted when you call a WRX an impreza, or when you call an STi an impreza/wrx. This WRX has STi badges, which I think is fine, others are calling it rice. I remember alot of people on my toyota forum put TRD badging on the sides of their 4runners despite toyota never releasing a TRD package on the older 4runners. Its a stamp of pride in your not so stock car/truck.

Whats your guys' opinions? Can anthony (xcntrk75) put STi badging on his swapped legacy, or is that also posing? You can see my last post on that thread and how rediculous I think the whole impreza/wrx/sti thing is, but maybe I'm the one who's wrong?

your thoughts are up for debate.

[Huffer]

My perspective:

Every WRX or STi is an Impreza.
Only turbocharged (and thus AWD) Impreza's are WRX's.
STi badging is reserved for vehicles with STi tune parts, HP outputs or possibly exterior items.

Every Subaru enthusiast should know that the STi was originally marketed as "Subaru Impreza WRX - tuned by Subaru Technica International" - thus it was just a WRX that STi had taken, and played with a bit.

The whole debate over what cars are allowed to wear which badges is pretty redundant. If the car can walk with stock STi's, then it can wear the STi badge as far as I'm concerned.

Shoot, someone should start calling their car a "Impreza TWE/PDX/Cobb"...

Personally, I like to debadge cars as much as possible.

[95legacy]

Sometimes I think it can be a little much, but I have the STi grill badge on my Legacy, and right now there aren't any STi parts on it, but why not its a Subaru tuning company, I drive a subaru and i modify my car so why not.
Peace,
Kyle

[Perdue]

that VF30 WRX is probably a lot faster than the majority of the STi's on that site, and has a lot less money in it. Hence why I never even posted a thread on NASIOC stating I bought a Dodge and traded in the subie. I didn't want to hear the comments about stupid rednecks drive trucks and thanks for ruining our ozone and all that crap.

Everyone on there running a rich tune probably gets the same gas mileage and puts out more pollutants than my truck ever will. Refering to the song by Tool...they pissed on my black kettle a few too many times.

[SilentRacer]

This all comes from the logic that if you have certain badges (STI, WRX) and don't have the engine but get beat by a slower car, then its embarrasing to the owners that have those cars. I think correct badging makes it easyer for opponents to see who they're messing with before they try. Ofcource if your running a sleeper, then you can have no badges.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Badges are lame, but the STi owners saying thier car is ONLY an STi and not an Impreza are complete dubasses. It's technically an Impreza tuned by STi.

So I pretty much agree with Huffer 100%

Xcntrk can call it a Legacy STi if he wants, but I don't think he would...

[Wiscon_Mark]

that VF30 WRX is probably a lot faster than the majority of the STi's on that site, and has a lot less money in it.

True, and if you're drag racing, that's all that matters.

But I'd choose an STi for it's suspension, diffs, and tranny (+ a fast engine from stock) over upgrading the piss out of a WRX any day. Stock reliability FTW.

[blackgtbeauty]

+2 with Huffer.

this got me a little fired up (i'm legacy99black on nasioc btw), as i have sti stickers on my car because i have the strut bar/seats to back it up. i don't see STi as a car, I see it as a company.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Yeah, it's the performance division of Subaru. Not a car.

[shazapple]

Personally I wouldn't put a STi badge on my car, even if it were deserving of one.

STi is a company not just a trim level, so its justifiable to have one on your car if it has STi parts.

I like badges, why wouldn't I want someone to know my car is a Subaru Legacy? Cars look too plain in the back without some badging (especially Impreza's) I don't like trim badges, but maybe thats cause I drive an L :lol:

[Wiscon_Mark]

That's why you get JDM tails that say Legacy on them.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2006/07/JDMTails-1.jpg

:grin:

[OutbackGT]

Judging from his extensive list of modifications, he's got to be putting down STi-like power figures. I'd say he's deserving.

[Project LGT]

It's like the Neon SRT4... you can call it whatever you want but at the end of the day, its still a neon

[Wiscon_Mark]

Judging from his extensive list of modifications, he's got to be putting down STi-like power figures. I'd say he's deserving.

Yeah, but then should you call it an Evolution as well? Or maybe call a Mustang 5.0GT an STi too, because the power figures are similar?

BTW- xcntrk is making WAY more power than an STi. Think well over a 100HP more.

So should we call it a Corvette? :lol:

No, I think what would make xcntrk's car an "STi" would be the characterisitics that make an STi, like the 6MT, DCCD, EJ257, STi TMIC, etc...

But he doesn't share all that much with one besides the engine (or will, he had a WRX engine before when he was putting down those 330whp figures).

[JPaul99GT]

i see it as a company badge not a model. i think that if you have a legacy and it has an STi drivetrain. well you can put an STi badge on it. even if you just have some random go-fast bits made by STi... its your car and if you want to display the fact that you have modified it with pieces made by STi then you can. some people put dozens of stickers displaying the parts on their vehicle. this is the same.

if i swapped an EJ257 into my car, i would put feel justified in placing a nice, pink STi badge on the ass.

my $.02

[xcntrk75]

That threads a good example of what I regularly put up with on Nasioc. A downside of having in my LGT an engine, drivetrain, and performance parts out of the Impreza tuner market is having to put up with that community and forum.

As for the model debate; I didn’t even know it was open for interruption as SOA themselves make it pretty clear. The model is Impreza, period… Within that model group, 3 trim levels are available: RS (non turbo), WRX (turbo), and STi (specialty).

As several have mentioned, STi is a performance division moreover a model (like TRD, etc.) STi, the division, took an Impreza WRX and built/tuned this platform to their racing specs, then released the platform for production being sold as the Impreza WRX STi. But it’s still a WRX… Especially considering the latest body style in the US where the underlying 2.5l motor with AVCS equipped heads is the motor foundation now shared in both WRX and STi models (06+). Furthermore, if you take my new “STi shortblock” part number and plug it in a parts finder, you’ll be surprised to notice it’s the same block that’s found in the STi, new WRX, LGT, OB-XT, etc.

And for the curious… you will never see an STi badge on my car… ;)

[GrassyKnoll]

STI is just a tuning company. Basically, anyone who has a car tuned by STI has the right to wear the badge (if they want to). If they wear it without STI tuning, its rice and stupid IMO. Think of other cars. Mercedes has AMG, no reason not to call an sl55 an AMG. No reason not to call your 4.6l Mustang a Rousche. No reason not to call your amazinly disgusting skyline a NISMO ;).

[JPaul99GT]

well technically an SL55 is only an AMG, otherwise it would be an SL500.

[ooberdoob]

they are what they are made of...

impreza
impreza WRX
impreza WRX STi (no i will not cap my i)

and STi badging on any other car is only worthy if it has the main parts as STi, being engine, trans, or all the suspension of an impreza STi. Now, if you can get your hands on JDM legacy/forester STi stuff, then of course, but the same application rules apply.

[GrassyKnoll]

well technically an SL55 is only an AMG, otherwise it would be an SL500.

uhhhhh.... yes that's my point. you can still call it an sl55.

[legacy92ej22t]

I don't like badging in general and have none on my car. That being said, unless you have STi parts on the car then it is rice to have an STi badge or sticker/decals on it. If all you have is one or two STi parts (unless drivetrain or full suspension ect..) then I personally think it's pretty lame to run STi badges or sticker/decals.

I really don't like stickers/decals on cars at all though. Especially "tuner" stickers and decals, unless you're sponsored, then it's a necessity. Otherwise it just looks like you're trying to look like you're sponsered and end up looking like poser. Just my .02.........which is like $2,000,000.00 in regular people opinions.

J/K :razz:

The WRX and WRX-STi are both impreza, anyone who says differently is an asshat. Period.

[badbasser98]

That's why you get JDM tails that say Legacy on them.
...

:grin:
and then have a Legacy badge right under it... I hope they can figure out what model car it is now!

Mine is the same way, for now atleast. :oops: Hopefully I can get some work done next year. (since I may have a car to drive while the leggy gets some down time :cool: ).

To stay on topic, I really don't know how to answer this thread without going off topic more. So I will say this, whether is be an L, RS, 2.5i, WRX, or WRX STi, they are all Imprezas. The STi is a variant of the WRX, calling it a WRX is doing nothing other than calling it what it is. Calling a WRX or a WRX STi an Impreza is the same. We call our Legacy GT's Legacys, why? Because they are... We don't just call them GT's and flame anyone that doesn't. Most Impreza owner are spoiled kids that are too immature to realize their own stupidity... 'nuff said.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Matt- that Legacy badge on the body has since been removed ;)