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Soul Shinobi
11-13-2006, 07:01 PM
Well it's about time for me to do my first oil change on my relatively newly acquired 1992 Legacy L AWD. Right now it has over 253,000 miles (407,000+ km) and I'd ideally like to take it to 300,000 miles (482,000+ km) to make us all proud some day. This the first car I've owned but I've learned a lot already, and now it's time for the oil changing ritual.

I've already decided on a schedule, and that is changing oil in November, February and May. I've decided this under the recommendation of Chris Longhurst on his site www.carbibles.com (http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html).


Taking all these into consideration, my philosophy would be to totally ignore the distance and change the oil three times a year - about November, February and May. Move these dates a bit according to the severity of the winter. An average family car will do around 14,000 miles per year and about 2/3 of that will fall in the May - November period. At the end of that period, the car will have just about touched on the recommended oil change distance - but all done at reasonable temperatures and including long distance runs during vacations and good weather. During the Nov - Feb. period it may accumulate only 2 or 3 thousand miles, all low temperature starts and mostly short runs. The Feb. to May period is likely to be about the same.

About 10 or 15 years ago, an article in the ANWB journal (ANWB is the Dutch equivalent of the AA - or the AAA in the American case) reached more or less the same conclusion that distance was not very important. In their case they applied this to their road service fleet, which typically once started in the morning never got cold. In effect, they hardly ever changed the oil! I seem to remember 30,000 miles between oil changes being quoted. I also seem to remember that they had some kind of water or acid indicator attached to the end of the dipstick and went by that rather than distance.
I think changing three times a years is also appropriate for how much money I'm willing to put into this car. Now as for specifically what kind of oil I want to use, I'm really not sure at all. Potential low temperature is -10°F (-23°C) but that's just technical; realistically the coldest that it may be that will actually be driven in more than once would probably be around the teens (13-19) in Fahrenheit (-11 to -7°C). The car is N/A and I only drive it hard every once in a while.

What ever oil you guys might recommend for this potentially cold period I will use it for both the Nov. to Feb. and Feb. to May, but I also would like a recommendation for a summer oil as well (for May to Nov.). I live in southern New Hampshire, USA, it doesn't get terribly hot here, rarely more than mid 90's F (34-36°C) at its worst, and lows would be around 40°F (4°C).

I'm looking for a modest oil, but surely not dirt cheap. I do very much want to take good car of my car, but I simply don't have too much money to throw around. I don't know what a little or a lot to spend on oil is, I would think $30 is more than average for 5 quarts (4.8 needed) but still within what I'm willing to pay.

Moving on the the other item that is applied during an oil change--the oil filter. Quite simply, I was going to go with Bosch (about $5) unless you wish to recommend something better (up to about $10 perhaps?); I'm hardly in the know. Also, I have every intention the reapply the magnets that are on my current oil filter to my next one of course. If you haven't heard of doing this, it's done to help trap metal particles in the filter. In fact, on the Engine Oil Bible page of www.carbibles.com (http://www.carbibles.com) there is a section on taking computer hard drives apart to extract the extremely strong neodymium magnets that they contain, and I myself was the one who submitted the information and picture for that section to the site's owner.


Okay, for easy understanding of my wordy writing style, let's lay out the key points:
-Based on a recommendation from a gear-head's site along with sound evidence, the changing of oil in the periods between November, February and May is chosen.
-My N/A Legacy has over 253,000 miles (407,000+ km), I drive it rough every once in a while but overall want to take care of it.
-I need recommendations on an oil grade and brand for the two colder periods mentioned above.
-I need recommendations on an oil grade and brand for the warmer period mentioned above.
-I don't have a lot of money to spend but I surely will not go for the cheapest oil. My car is important enough to me for me to spend more than the average person, but I can't really go for the real high end. Maybe as much as $30?
-I intend to use a Bosch ($5) oil filter unless otherwise recommended (up to $10 perhaps).


EDIT: Also, a crush washer is another thing that needs to be applied during an oil change. I do have some, Subaru ones no less. I'm told that the flat side of the crush washer faces the drain plug and the rounded side faces the oil pan.

dansherman
11-13-2006, 07:07 PM
I've got 150,000 on my 98 outback and I change the oil every 3000 whether it needs it or not :lol: . I use valvoline high mileage, not sure how much it costs. I've used a few different oil filters, usually from $6-$10.

I can honestly say I've never even thought about how much I spend on oil changes. It just hasn't crossed my mind. Weird, especially considering how cheap I am.

Oh, btw: +1 on the crush washers.

Soul Shinobi
11-13-2006, 08:41 PM
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that. Yes, I do have crush washers, Subaru ones, no less. I'll edit the main post because I did mean to mention it.

Huffer
11-14-2006, 12:14 AM
You can get a bunch of oil filters from a Subaru dealership on Ebay for $6.80 a piece, with the crush washer, shipped. No real excuse not to use OEM filters really... :)

Use any oil, just change it every 3-4000 miles. It's not rocket science. Would you run yourself for 3 days without taking a dump? :wink:

Wiscon_Mark
11-14-2006, 12:24 AM
Oil is oil, but if you want to be picky, look for the oil with the SAE stamp of approval (it's a little black star with the SAE logo on the front of the oil container).

Otherwise, 5W-30 is the reccomended weight, and you should be good with frequent changes.

SHOfast
11-14-2006, 07:09 AM
If you search around I'm sure you will find that these Subaru engines are not picky about the oil they get. Sounds like 5w-30 (what Subaru suggests) will have no problems protecting your engine.

I think the magnets on the oil filter are actually a bad idea and nothing more than snake oil. If that is what you want to do to your car, go for it.

Huffer
11-14-2006, 09:15 AM
Sorry, forgot to mention that an oil change can be as cheap as $16 and change. $6 oil filter, $10 for 5qt container of 5w30 Castrol GTX. Your labor is free.

Soul Shinobi
11-14-2006, 12:25 PM
I think the magnets on the oil filter are actually a bad idea and nothing more than snake oil. If that is what you want to do to your car, go for it.

I assure you no damage can be done by putting magnets on the oil filter, and people have found it to work well. In fact on http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html the author tries it himself and cut the oil filter open afterwards to find metal particles stuck to the insides of the filter.

SHOfast
11-14-2006, 01:53 PM
Sadly the test to see if the magnets are effective is badly flawed and not logical. I could say that adding an additional oil filter into the system right before the existing oil filter is very important because it will have particles caught in the media. It does not show that the final clean oil is in any better condition than it would be if it only runs through the existing oil filter, and it likely increased the backpressure in the oiling system.
Adding the magnets to the 'dirty' side of the system only shows that there are magnetic particles in the oil. It does not show that any additional contamination is removed from the oiling system. I would say todays oil filters will catch all of the particles as they were designed to, there is no need to do any additional magic to the oil.

Soul Shinobi
11-14-2006, 02:39 PM
While much of what you're saying is true, the prefilter apprehension of metal particles can still help the cleaning process--not in any outrageous way of course, just a bit, but to many people every little bit counts. Catching metal particles before the filter obviously keeps the filter a bit cleaner, longer. So it filters like new, longer. It is in fact like adding a filter for metal particles before the primary filter, but the better part is that it has the potential to actually give a mild increase in flow due to the primary filter being a bit less clogged and the magnets themselves of course offering no resistance to the oil flow.

Huffer
11-14-2006, 04:01 PM
You could throw a bunch on the bottom of the oil pan too...

Soul Shinobi
11-14-2006, 04:15 PM
Yes, I've heard of people doing that. I've even heard of people putting a magnet inside the oil pan. However, I think it's ideal to put them on the oil filter because the oil filter is disposable.

wcw2
11-14-2006, 07:31 PM
At least in GM cars, factory auto trannies come with a magnet inside the pan. I'd add a magnet to the oil pan anyday, just haven't found a nice big cheap one yet. Aren't the diff plugs magnetic too? I know my rear diff plug had a nice coat of metal slime on it when I last changed my gear oil.

Huffer
11-14-2006, 09:42 PM
diff plugs are magnetic.

GM's have magnetic oil drain plugs. Subaru's should have them too, really.

warrior
11-15-2006, 11:21 AM
diff plugs are magnetic.

GM's have magnetic oil drain plugs. Subaru's should have them too, really.

They make them, I got one for $10!

http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/foru ... hp?t=95305 (http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95305)

Soul Shinobi
11-15-2006, 12:17 PM
Wow, I think I might actually go for those sometime.

By the way, why is it exactly that Subaru OEM filters are so well recommended? Just curious.

Huffer
11-15-2006, 03:44 PM
Wow, I think I might actually go for those sometime.

By the way, why is it exactly that Subaru OEM filters are so well recommended? Just curious.

Subaru filters are made by Purolater, and there's an intangible sense of certainty that goes along with using a filter that is still used on brand new vehicles... Subaru could stand to lose a lot if it skimped on the oil filter.

Soul Shinobi
11-16-2006, 10:37 PM
All right! My first DIY oil change and it went well... And also took forever, but that's my fault. I was very very pleased to find Purolator Pure One filters at the local PepBoys and I grabbed 5 bottles of Castrol GTX 10W-30 at VIP Autocenter because it cost less there. While changing the il I was anal and perfectionistic as usual and did well to make sure everything was clean and such.

Now the car runs a bit smoother, and starts right away and very smoothly. I'm sure that low oil and trying to start on a decline was the reason I was having starting trouble yesterday.

EDIT: I was temped to go for the Castrol GTX High Mileage formula because I lost a bit of oil (down below the low mark) but it cost a lot more and I think more marketing rather than R&D dictates up the price.

Huffer
11-16-2006, 11:10 PM
Just an FYI, you can still pick up the 5qt containers of oil at Walmart or K-Mart. Most of the autostores are only selling 1qt containers (and at higher prices) because they're forcing customers to buy the same, for more.
Also, oil manufacturers are producing less of the 5qt containers.

My Castrol GTX 5qt costs $10.99 + tax (so $12 all told).

Soul Shinobi
11-16-2006, 11:14 PM
Thanks for the information. I paid $13.95 (2.79 each, it was 2.99 at PepBoys) and there is no tax because New Hampshire is the best state in the union hands down. :wink:

EDIT: Okay, that did sound just a tad mean, I can't help but to clarify I was just joking. http://bbs.legacycentral.org/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif But really, we don't have a sales tax. Although there is a meal tax on food prepared for you.

Wiscon_Mark
11-17-2006, 01:12 AM
Not a tad mean at all.

But I have to disagree and say that Wisconsin pretty much kicks NH's ass :grin:

I also like the 5qt. containers, and we get them whenever they're on sale.

rougeben83
11-17-2006, 11:18 AM
2.39/qt Motorcraft 5-30w semi-synth :grin: I've had good luck with them in the minivan and they hit the pricepoint :twisted:

Wiscon_Mark
11-17-2006, 11:19 AM
Quick math tells me that the 5 quart is cheaper.

Huffer
11-17-2006, 12:41 PM
^^ easier to carry too. :D
And I can reuse the older container to take my used oil back to the store the next time for recycling.