Looks like BS, but is it really?

[Wiscon_Mark]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 65939&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33577&item=7981065939&rd=1)
Tell me what you think? Is this all around BS or is it imitating something that might actually work if it weren't a cheap POS?

[Tokio]

do a google for:

subaru sti "positive charging system"

...and youll have your answer.

[Wiscon_Mark]

so I'm guessing by the lack of results that made any sense that its BS? I thought so...
Thanks Jesse for making me make myself feel like an idiot. :wink:

[Reason]

It's funny the crap they sell on eBay. What's even more funny the people who buy the crap. Theres a few of you who fell for the "STi" oil cap and the "STi" strut brace. Come on, $35 "STi" struts brace?? there should be no second glance. $15 "STi" oil cap? GReddy (Trust) is $55 I think, an STi one would be like $85!! (I don't really know) For real though, don't be stupid....

[Wiscon_Mark]

Well, what I meant (I wasn't even paying attention to the STi logo, I couldn't care less about that) was do those voltage stabilization systems work? I've seen a few places that say they do. I may have even seen it in autosport magazine, but my curiosity had nothing to do with the STi bullshit. They're probably just as much as a hoax as their 'name'.

[cehinz78]

I bought one from boxer4racing and paid over $100 for. I didnt see much of a difference but they say on some vehicles it works and others it dosent.

[Tokio]

honest, it wasnt my intention to make you look bad...

...and from my experience...high-tech grounding systems only work for those teams who take the time with a multimeter and test every-f@$%ing possible ground on the entire-f@$%ing chassis, engine...etc.

...does it work? if you put the time in it. should you expect much? NOT AT ALL. $100 for half a HP?!? skip macdonalds for a couple of weeks and you have the same effect...and you save money at the same time.

...heres a good tip...take a multimeter...and do some voltage drops across your battery, grounds, altenator, starter, radiator fluid,etc.

cleaning up the surface of your battery does wonders sometimes...its called parasitic draw...and its a bitch.

[2deadlegs]

I've said it before and I will say it again...stickers are the way to go for your HP needs.

You know the old saying..if it sounds too good to be true....

[Wiscon_Mark]

GUYS! I knew this particular product was BS. I was asking if the technology was proven, just out of sheer curiosity. Thanks Tokio, for answering my question.

[SubaruGenki]

No, I think we should flame mark some more......




j/k, never hurts to ask mark.

[sheepdog]

Just so you guys know,

Grounding kits can definitely be worth the money. My friends WRX gained 3-4hp and various other advantages unrelated to raw hp numbers from it.

This thread has a bit more

http://www.eastcoastboost.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2092&highlight=

[Wiscon_Mark]

I was thinking of making a custom one, what are all the points i need to ground? And how should I make my own grounding plate? Obviously I want to use copper or gold for conductors.

[Pwise2326]

Thats pretty much what I did, minus the grounding plate as seen in the HKS circle earth kit. Somewhere on www.scoobymods.com (http://www.scoobymods.com) I read a mod on doing a single line grounding kit (multiple lines running from the negative terminal of the battery to different points -- one of the strut mount bolts, on the intake manifold, etc etc.). Unfortunately I can't find the post again, but it looks a lot cleaner than playing connect the dots around your engine bay. I wasn't really looking for HP gains, just to brighten the headlights a little bit which it made quite a difference (on the stock headlight wires, it will look a lot nicer when I replace them all). Best thing you can do is just go around the engine bay, find all your stock grounds and clean them up. Clean up the contact surfaces - wherever there is a ground on the body, you're going to notice that the contact surface of the body is covered with PAINT! so much for metal to metal contact. Get on it with some sandpaper around the area and remove the paint just underneath the area of the washer and bolt of the ground. Put some dielectric grease on it to keep the metal from rusting. You'll notice a difference just from cleaning up the stock points and greasing them up. Cleaning up the battery terminal works wonders as well just as Tokio said, you can pick up the little wire-brush cleaners from sears for 2 bucks.

[Wiscon_Mark]

I did clean the battery terminals up, but i haven't had a chance to test the headlights yet....
So, when you have the grounding plate, does the plate still connect to the negative terminal on the battery? Or does it just connect all the grounds together and you rely on the one ground from the battery to the body to bring it all together? It seems that it would make sense to have a plate and then connect that plate with some 6 guage wire or something with more capacity to the negative terminal.

Here's a scoobymods link:
http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showth ... =grounding (http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=2002&highlight=grounding)

And here's some of the stuff they're selling on Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... gory=33692 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7980130059&category=33692)

Just an example, obviously the bidding is over, and I wouldn't reccomend eBay stuff because you can make a custom one cheaper. The price may look attractive, but look at the shipping!!! :shock:

[Tris_STi]

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic. ... ground+mod (http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=1520&highlight=diy+ground+mod)

Try that. . .

And . . .

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic. ... hlight=diy (http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=18572&highlight=diy)

Boom. I can report good results with this, as long as you don't spring up any electrical problems later.

I've grounded the Tranny, the Starter, the Tranny Ground, and the alternator, via its mounting bracket. All done with 4G wire, in varying lengths to the newly replaced (with 4g wire) negative ground/battery.

[Tokio]

although cleaning your terminals is always recommended, i was talking about cleaning the top plate of your battery, where the parasitic draw occurs. chemicals, grime, and anything else that didnt come on the battery when you bought should be removed.

as for a grounding kit adding 3-4 hp to a rex... ill believe it when i see it. perhaps the new ground kit was restoring lost hp due to a shitty OEM ground circuit.

and, on that attached forum, anyone who thinks grounding kits will produce upwards of 10 hp... and to blabber about dyno proven results... is an idiot. :roll: period. if you gain anything more than a hp or two... its because you were losing hp to a crappy ground circuit (which probably could have been recovered by cleaning and tightening some points).

is it worth $125+ for a kit?

[Wiscon_Mark]

No, it absolutely isn't worth 100 bucks, but you can buy all the parts and fabricate your own plate (or do what peaty at scoobymods did, see that link) and make your own for about 10-15 bucks most likely if you buy bulk wire.

[Tokio]

oh yeah!, DIY is the way to go absolutely, just realize you arent really going to really notice any major gains unless your car is in bad shape. but, everything adds up too. :-D

[Wiscon_Mark]

oh yeah!, DIY is the way to go absolutely, just realize you arent really going to really notice any major gains unless your car is in bad shape. but, everything adds up too. :-D

yep 8)
Personally, i think it might give the alternator a bit of a break, improving mileage, if only a little bit. But with better exhaust, nicer driving, a good air filter, etc, it'll add up. If you want to gain HP by cutting down on electricity, turn off your radio, fans, heat, A/C, lights, etc when you're racing. Which is bad for the car anyways, FYI.

[Plays_with_Toys]

I was thinking about doing this, but all the wire I can find is 8g. I didn't think this'd be sufficient. Also, do the gains only come if you use gold connectors, or can you use stainless?

I was at walmart and found some plain black 8g wire with connectors attached, various lengths from $3-8. Which I figure is what it'd cost to buy connectors and wire seperately.

Also, I saw something at a store, that attaches to your fuel line just before going into the motor which ionizes your fuel and breaks apart the molecules for more surface area for the molecules to spark. Anyone heard of this?

[Wiscon_Mark]

It sounds like BS....but you can give it a try. If it does make any difference, its probably very little. Of course you can say this about a lot of the products on the market. How much does it cost?

[Plays_with_Toys]

I think it was $12-$20.

[Wiscon_Mark]

yeah, probably junk, but...if you want to, it won't really put a big hole in your pocket. try it out if you feel intrigued.
And 8 guage wire is quite thick. It would do the trick well....if you have good wire. The current stuff grounding in my engine is more like 16-18 guage wire so I think 8 would be a big step up. if you wanted to use a plate, you could use 8 guage for all the components of the engine to the plate and then use 4 guage wire to connect it to the battery....

[Plays_with_Toys]

I won't buy it. Not for a while if I do. I'm probably getting the impreza wheels this week and it sounds like one of my wheel bearings is on its way out and I still need to replace my front struts. :roll: