AT > 5Spd MT?

[InSaNe AzN KiD]

Has anyone performed this? How much does it usually cost etc. ANY and ALL information would be excellent :)
Thanks Guys
-Eric

[sheepdog]

All I know is that swapping my 66' mustang from an auto to a manual was a BIOTCH and a half, more like 3/4. You have to install all the clutch linkages, pedal, and anything else that tranny needs that the others dont. Not to mention you would need a new center console.

Also, that was on my mustang, which is like an erector set. I dont know how complex it would be exactly, and its most certainly not impossible, but I'm willing to bet its more trouble than you want to deal with.

[Wiscon_Mark]

bitch and 7/8ths I'd say....
It'll be a lot of money for the transmission and a lot more for installation. I'd say ~5000 bucks total with everything, but it could be more. Depends on how nice your mechanics are.

[Tris_STi]

This fixes all, keep in mind, costs vary, as parts can be had at ANY price, remember. Build your own price list, to be fair about it.

INSNAZNKID, you know what I've said about all this. . .

www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/swap/swap.html (http://www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/swap/swap.html)

Its an ENTIRE writeup and journal, including part numbers where available, and cost estimates.

[Tris_STi]

bitch and 7/8ths I'd say....
It'll be a lot of money for the transmission and a lot more for installation. I'd say ~5000 bucks total with everything, but it could be more. Depends on how nice your mechanics are.

Please don't say anything else, then.

Trannies start at ~$435, in many places.

Mechanics? You wouldn't want to do the work yourself, being a Subaru enthusiast and all?

The bitch is the wiring. This is a weekend project with two sets of hands, and a decent idea of what needs to be done. It all fits fine, it's just the cabin wiring for safety switches, etc, and the pedal box. Pedal boxes are the physical bitch.

[Reason]

X Kern (a member of the old boards) did a AT-MT swap on his 95 BD. He said he has no knowledge with car and it took him a few weeks. Most of it was due to locating parts.

[Pwise2326]

Thats aaaafirmative ghostrider. X-kern would be the guy to talk to, he's on AIM under Xander Kern. Another good person to talk to would be AFBeefcake and Disturbed Beast as they did a swap on Dan's BD GT.

[Wiscon_Mark]

[quote="Wiscon_Mark":3dpxwgk4]bitch and 7/8ths I'd say....
It'll be a lot of money for the transmission and a lot more for installation. I'd say ~5000 bucks total with everything, but it could be more. Depends on how nice your mechanics are.

Please don't say anything else, then.

Trannies start at ~$435, in many places.

Mechanics? You wouldn't want to do the work yourself, being a Subaru enthusiast and all?

The bitch is the wiring. This is a weekend project with two sets of hands, and a decent idea of what needs to be done. It all fits fine, it's just the cabin wiring for safety switches, etc, and the pedal box. Pedal boxes are the physical bitch.[/quote:3dpxwgk4]

Well, now that I look like the worlds biggest jackass, I'll leave this thread forever too. I was just giving the estimate of how much it would cost with installation. I know that transmissions aren't terrible. Anyways, :offtheair:

[belladonna]

i've been thinking about swapping mine as well. autos just freak me out. everytime it clunks or something i think there's something wrong. :P

tris - that link you posted is excellent! :)

[sheepdog]

If your going to do a tranny swap, you might as well just save your money and do it with an engine swap. Itll be much easier if you have the whole front half of the car gutted. I can imagine the wiring is a bear; it seems to be a constant curse for us legacy guys. :(

[Tris_STi]

Bella - Yes, It'll soon be my swap bible. I'm printing out pages of it at work each day, putting it together manual-style, to make things easier later, and to study.

Sheepdog-
Yes, we suck when it comes to wiring, but then again, so does every car. There's no such thing as simple wiring when you've got a cabin with amenities, and of course, an ECU that controls your fuel, timing, etc. It comes with the territory. :?

I'm actually looking forward to this, when I get the time. Of course, that time has to be soon, seeing as my AT won't last forever. Haha, I love the look on people's faces when I tell 'em I'm swapping --they thought my AT would be the last time I'd do this! hahaha. Idiots.

[slip]

Import Performance Trans has a lot of very interesting upgrades for the 4EAT. Everything from high-stall converters to full-manual controllers that give you complete control over up & down shifts via push buttons. Anyway they are at least worth checking out if you are thinking about doing a 5-spd swap

http://www.importperformancetrans.com/subaruauto.shtml (scroll down)

[belladonna]

okay, i've been thinking about this some (and sorry if this information is on the site tris posted) and i have a few questions

isn't the turbo legacy tranny the same as all the other 1st gen legs?
would i need the ecu from the manual equipped car for my own?
do the auto legacies have the clip on the steering column for the clutch switch sensor? or would i have to get the sterring column from a manual equip. car?
my dif is geared at 3.9 and i know some legacies were 4.10...are there some manual legacies with my gear ratio so i wouldn't have to swap that too?

i know, a lot of questions. sorry if the answers were somewhere else and i'm asking dumb questions....

[2deadlegs]

Bella... www.bbs.legacycentral.org (http://www.bbs.legacycentral.org)

I say "screw safety switches!" Just make sure your car is in "N" before starting it. Use a non-hydro clutch set-up.

Skip all the bullshit...zoom zoom 1-4 and cruise in 5

[scottzg]

tleg tranny is hydraulic and pull style (or was it push style and the cable is pull) i ferget. The gears are hardened. they're 3.9 instead of 4.11. It's a better tranny, but not a whole lot better.

your ecu is fine.

no idea, sorry!

are you fwd? I'm pretty sure all awd cars (except turboes) are 4.11 and fwd cars are 3.9.

[belladonna]

i am awd and 3.9 :lol:

2dl - thanks for the link! i'll check it out this afternoon. grr. i should probably just join that forum too actually :lol:

thanks for answering the questions guys 8)

[Tris_STi]

tleg tranny is hydraulic and pull style (or was it push style and the cable is pull) i ferget. The gears are hardened. they're 3.9 instead of 4.11. It's a better tranny, but not a whole lot better.

your ecu is fine.

no idea, sorry!

are you fwd? I'm pretty sure all awd cars (except turboes) are 4.11 and fwd cars are 3.9.
Yeap. 4.11 ATs, but FWDs are 3.7, IIRC. AWDs are 3.9 NAs..

[scottzg]

Yeap. 4.11 ATs, but FWDs are 3.7, IIRC. AWDs are 3.9 NAs..

My 1990 fsm says that fwd is 3.7 and awd is 4.11, regardless of at/mt. Could it have been a production change?

[Disturbed_beast]

HHHHmmmmm, well that interesting since i just had a AT to JDM forster Trannsmission and i paid about $500 give or take, just be sure when you get one get the wiring harness for it and oh if it's not a Legacy transmission have fun with that wiring :violent1:

[scottzg]

Okay, Scotty convinced me that I was "being mean, and I'm a very very bad maaaann!" So, here's why, kiddos:

LEGOS!

You can't, CANNOT, physically mate an EJ engine with an EG (that's FORESTER, folks.) Transmission. It will not work, under any circumstances. The bellhousings DON'T FIT. Clear?

GRRRR. :x ..and I'M the dick. DB, quit lying to increase your e-penis. I'll always be here to call you out. Good luck on the turbo swap.

ehh?

foresters have ej engines too. eg33 is the svx engine code. The eg33 bolts up to the ej transmission. It even shares ej22 pistons, bore and stroke.

I don't think he was lying... what would be the point?

[Tris_STi]

Okay, Scotty convinced me that I was "being mean, and I'm a very very bad maaaann!" So, here's why, kiddos:

LEGOS!

You can't, CANNOT, physically mate an EJ engine with an EG (that's FORESTER, folks.) Transmission. It will not work, under any circumstances. The bellhousings DON'T FIT. Clear?

GRRRR. :x ..and I'M the dick. DB, quit lying to increase your e-penis. I'll always be here to call you out. Good luck on the turbo swap.

ehh?

foresters have ej engines too. eg33 is the svx engine code. The eg33 bolts up to the ej transmission. It even shares ej22 pistons, bore and stroke.

I don't think he was lying... what would be the point?

Foresters aren't EJ engines..

[Wiscon_Mark]

D_B dosn't seem like the type that needs to increase his e-penis, Tristan...but you couldn't possibly be wrong, so we seem to have a dilemma :P :lol:

[Tris_STi]

D_B dosn't seem like the type that needs to increase his e-penis, Tristan...but you couldn't possibly be wrong, so we seem to have a dilemma :P :lol:

You may be right, but I'm never wrong.

[gator gt]

[quote="Tris_STi":3ekxyby9]Okay, Scotty convinced me that I was "being mean, and I'm a very very bad maaaann!" So, here's why, kiddos:

LEGOS!

You can't, CANNOT, physically mate an EJ engine with an EG (that's FORESTER, folks.) Transmission. It will not work, under any circumstances. The bellhousings DON'T FIT. Clear?

GRRRR. :x ..and I'M the dick. DB, quit lying to increase your e-penis. I'll always be here to call you out. Good luck on the turbo swap.

ehh?

foresters have ej engines too. eg33 is the svx engine code. The eg33 bolts up to the ej transmission. It even shares ej22 pistons, bore and stroke.

I don't think he was lying... what would be the point?

Foresters aren't EJ engines..[/quote:3ekxyby9]

ooo, I don't know much about Foresters, but I could have sworn that the 2.5XS has the EJ25 in it.....

and the 2.5XT has the de-tuned STi motor in it. (albeit, with diff heads.)

JDM Forester motors and trannies.....nope, not going there.

EG is the SVX and EZ are the H-6 plants.

GGT

[cj91legss]

hahaha at $5000 to do the swap... i did the swap in my 1991 l wagon... it only cost me 430 bucks... and that was for a whole parts car... just look at wrecking auctions for one... it's alot better to do that. and swap everything over yourself..... it may take awhile but it's well worth it...