SPT knockoff or the real thing??

[oncesir]

I found this auction on ebay and the price is substantially lower than any SPT axle back that Ive seen advertised. Here is the link, if you have any experience with this please edumacate me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-L ... dZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Subaru-Legacy-GT-Sedan-Sport-Muffler-2-5-96-99-exhaust_W0QQitemZ330104558351QQcategoryZ33636QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[2.5GT]

it looks just like stock, cept for the tip.

for that price, i say go ahead.

[Huffer]

That is SPT stuff.

[Reason]

That's real, looks just like mine did.

[d1giPhux]

Why does the exhaust sound so 'tin can' like at low rpms? All the Exhaust clip videos ive seen of this exhaust on subarus.. in the low rpm range, you can hear a 'ticking' sound.. and a 'rattle' type noise.. not very appealing. In the higher rpm range it sounds okay.. but still, i think my stock exhaust sounds better because it does not have the 'buzzing' sound.

Anyone else have any clips to prove me wrong?

[Reason]

You are hearing the heat shields. It's NOT the muffler.

[d1giPhux]

I dont know.. sounds like the muffler on all the clips i hear.. it just has a very metal tin sound to it? Yours didnt sound like that at all.. even without the header you had on your car? I'd like to pick one up.. i just dont want to sound riced out and annoying.

[d1giPhux]

So yea, i just picked one up for about $115 shipped from Mike @ bosal. Looks like they got a huge overstock that subaru gave them the go ahead to sell. So if you want to pick one up for $105 shipped.. give him a call!

Mike Yatkowitz
1800-631-7271 x 227
Myatkowitz@bosalusa.com

Hopefully this thing doesnt sound like a rattle can.. but for the price, couldnt turn it down!

[voorhees]

spoke w/ Mike today, the Ebay listing is his. Call him directly, he has 77 left as of now. Dealer want $300+ for same item(suprise). Thanks for the direct line!

[d1giPhux]

Yea, i gave him a call earlier.. cool guy. Still has a ton of these left.. so if you wanna get one for cheap.. here is the chance! Mine already shipped out today. Super cool!

[2.5GT]

Yea, i gave him a call earlier.. cool guy. Still has a ton of these left.. so if you wanna get one for cheap.. here is the chance! Mine already shipped out today. Super cool!

When you get it on, let us know asap.

I might just go ahead and get one, if its that cheap :eek:

[Reason]

I dont know.. sounds like the muffler on all the clips i hear.. it just has a very metal tin sound to it? Yours didnt sound like that at all.. even without the header you had on your car? I'd like to pick one up.. i just dont want to sound riced out and annoying.

Why do you ask and I tell you how it sounds when I had it on my car you say well I dunno. :roll:

That muffler sounds like stock, it's a little DEEPER at WOT.

[sansMYSTi]

That is really cheap. Too late for me :cry: .

[oncesir]

I just got off the phone with Mike. Super nice guy. Ill get the axleback tomorrow if brown does something for me. This is a great deal. If I get the chance and can figure out my dig camera I'll take some sound clips once I install it.

[d1giPhux]

I just got off the phone with Mike. Super nice guy. Ill get the axleback tomorrow if brown does something for me. This is a great deal. If I get the chance and can figure out my dig camera I'll take some sound clips once I install it.

Nice.. i was going to do the same thing as well. Mine gets in tommorow too.. so hopefully the install wont be too long. Do you need any gaskets or anything, or it straight bolt up? What size bolts hold the old axle-back on?

[oncesir]

Ill figure the install specifics out tomorrow. I work at a dealer so spare parts/gaskets arent hard to come by. 9 chances out of 10 you can reuse the old parts w/ no ill effects.

[Huffer]

Nice.. i was going to do the same thing as well. Mine gets in tommorow too.. so hopefully the install wont be too long. Do you need any gaskets or anything, or it straight bolt up? What size bolts hold the old axle-back on?

You should get a new gasket and new stainless steel bolts & nuts. Just measure up the boltholes on the SPT one, and go out to the hardware store.

Remember this is a direct replacement part. It'll fit fine if you still have a stock midpipe + stock hangers.

[Reason]

Mine came with gaskets, no bolts though. I have a bin of bolts so there was no problem. I would do anti seize on the bolts. I started doing that when I got my SPT muffler. It made it so easy replace or adjusting over time.

[d1giPhux]

Nice.. i was going to do the same thing as well. Mine gets in tommorow too.. so hopefully the install wont be too long. Do you need any gaskets or anything, or it straight bolt up? What size bolts hold the old axle-back on?

You should get a new gasket and new stainless steel bolts & nuts. Just measure up the boltholes on the SPT one, and go out to the hardware store.

Remember this is a direct replacement part. It'll fit fine if you still have a stock midpipe + stock hangers.

Im hoping it comes with the gaskets..and if it doesnt have new bolts.... looks like the old bolts around going back on.. unless they break! Anyone have a clue what size the bolts are? Or what the thread pitch is?

[2.5GT]

Mine came with gaskets, no bolts though. I have a bin of bolts so there was no problem. I would do anti seize on the bolts. I started doing that when I got my SPT muffler. It made it so easy replace or adjusting over time.

Do you happen to have any pics on the car?

[Reason]

Best angles would be these http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php ... no+numbers (http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?t=2980&highlight=dyno+numbers)

[ooberdoob]

i wonder how it'd be on my wagon?

[Plays_with_Toys]

i wonder how it'd be on my wagon?

Probably 6-8 inches too short. There is a specific wagon exhaust.

[Huffer]

Actually I think it would fit fine.

I have a midpipe from an outback wagon on my GT sedan. Bolted up to the cat and the stock axleback without any issues.

[Plays_with_Toys]

but the tip off the muffler is shorter on the sedans. There are two different part numbers for SPT axlebacks. One is for wagons and one for sedans.

[Reason]

i wonder how it'd be on my wagon?

Probably 6-8 inches too short. There is a specific wagon exhaust.

No way, 2-3 tops

[SilentRacer]

wonder if we can do a group buy and get it even cheaper?

[d1giPhux]

wonder if we can do a group buy and get it even cheaper?

I think he told me they are already selling them as close to cost as subaru will let them... apparently. I mean $110 shipped for a brand new muffler isnt TOO bad. Specially since they were like $300 before. Im glad i never bought one for that price!

[Huffer]

They were listed as $212 approx on most Subaru parts sites. You overestimate.

[d1giPhux]

They were listed as $212 approx on most Subaru parts sites. You overestimate.

Well if you think that $100 isnt much money.. go ahead and send me a money order! I will appreciate the extra $100 more then you will! :lol:

[Huffer]

You missed the point. You said the mufflers were $300.
They're not. They retail for just over $200.

You're saving $100, not $200.

[d1giPhux]

im talking bout the manufacturers price... not your favorite sales site. haha. but good catch on the saving $200.. but still.. i saved money myself.

[2.5GT]

Post pics when you get yours d1giPhux :eek:

And and call that guy today, asking for a shipping qoute. I guess I'll jump onto this one too! :lol:

[d1giPhux]

Post pics when you get yours d1giPhux :eek:

And and call that guy today, asking for a shipping qoute. I guess I'll jump onto this one too! :lol:

It was $115 shipped for me.. shipping was like $12 or something! I will take some pics if i can when i get home of the exhaust! :grin:

[kkushner4474]

What upgrades can be expected from stock??

Is the exhaust wider than stock??

Any known hp gains or just a nice low rumble??

[2.5GT]

Post pics when you get yours d1giPhux :eek:

And and call that guy today, asking for a shipping qoute. I guess I'll jump onto this one too! :lol:

It was $115 shipped for me.. shipping was like $12 or something! I will take some pics if i can when i get home of the exhaust! :grin:

Haha $115.95 for me :lol:

Will expect to get mine sometimes next week or so :eek:

[Reason]

What upgrades can be expected from stock??

Is the exhaust wider than stock??

Any known hp gains or just a nice low rumble??

You may get little gains, it sounds nicer than stock.

[SilentRacer]

I think the stainless steel alone is definitly worth it, everything under my car is rusted.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/rageingspirit/rustyunderbody.jpg

[Reason]

Silentracer, make sure you can order one for your BE.

[SilentRacer]

Silentracer, make sure you can order one for your BE.

More possible fitment issues?

[Reason]

It's a different part number. I'm not sure what the BE muffler looks like. But I'm pretty sure it won't fit.

[Wiscon_Mark]

More possible fitment issues?

BD hangers =/= BE hangers

[ryankenn]

I had a BD chassis axle back on my BE ( Corazon from Japan, up for sale soon ) that I just paid to have welded to the stock exhaust instead of bolted up. It still is close enough any exhaust shop can fix it up for you in 10 mins.

I am currently using a crappy Dynomax Turbo as the Corazon straight through design was too loud once I went to 2.5" one high flow cat with the header. Is this SPT design a straight or "angled" through type, for is their a turn inside that forces the exhaust to flow through at least some sound deadening fiberglass/baffles.

[d1giPhux]

Here are 2 pics of the exhaust i snapped quickly. I need to get a gasket for it before the install.. because it did not come with one. What should i ask for when i go to get the gasket? I wonder how much it would cost me at the stealership.. because i doubt anyone else has stuff for subies around here.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/exhaust1-2.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/exhaust2-2.jpg

Oh yea.. and sorry.. not the best pics in the world, and its got my fingerprints all over it! haha.

[Huffer]

You can just take the pipe into an autoparts store and ask for gasket that fits... easy.

[Wiscon_Mark]

You can just take the pipe into an autoparts store and ask for gasket that fits... easy.

Yeah, and the dealership is unlikely to markup such a mundane part, either way, it's not going to be ultra expensive.

[Reason]

Just ask for the gasket as you would if you were just replacing it. I did it when I switched to my Borla axleback, it was the same gasket.

[d1giPhux]

Yea i figured it would be the same stock gasket anyways.. because it is an OEM muffler as it is. Cant wait to install it.. now if only this snow would melt! :lol:

[2.5GT]

How big is the tip?


Ohh I cant wait to get mine :eek:

[Reason]

Be a man and do it in the snow. Pwise2326 did his WRX suspension conversion in the dead of winter. It takes 10-15 mins to change that muffler. I did mine on my 15 mins break at work.

[Legacygt_97]

Just got off the phone with Bosal, should have mine by Tuesday. Mike also says he has 96 of the wagon models left in stock. They're $105 too. Ooberdoob and all the other wagon people, have at it.

[d1giPhux]

Well i dont really want to lay in 10 inches of snow to change my exhaust really.. i will just give it a few weeks for it to melt.. no big rush because i need to buy the gasket anyways and stuff. It wouldnt be so bad if i was able to snow blow the driveway.. but yea, it was wayyyyyy too heavy and the snow blower had none of that. I might do it this weekend.. we'll see. The tip is a bit bigger then the stock LGT exhaust.. i think it will look nice. If i dont get a new exhaust gasket.. i can just re-use the old one right?

[Reason]

The old tip fits inside the SPT tip.

[d1giPhux]

The olg tip fits inside the SPT tip.

Haha, nice. Didnt realize it was THAT much bigger.. seems like its only slightly bigger from looking at it.. altho i havent really had much time to fondle my muffler yet! :lol:

edit : DAMN.. the stealership wants $15 for a new gasket.. hmm, would it be bad to re-use the old one.. or could i not really?

[2.5GT]

The olg tip fits inside the SPT tip.

Haha, nice. Didnt realize it was THAT much bigger.. seems like its only slightly bigger from looking at it.. altho i havent really had much time to fondle my muffler yet! :lol:

edit : DAMN.. the stealership wants $15 for a new gasket.. hmm, would it be bad to re-use the old one.. or could i not really?

You can reuse your old one, as long as its not beat up :lol:

[d1giPhux]

Yea.. but the real question is.. will it be all melted / mashed onto the muffler so that i would have to scrape it off or something? Guess i could always use permatex.. but eh.. i dunno yet.

[Reason]

If you never touched your exhaust most likely you won't be able to use it. It may just fall apart in your hands. $6-9 at pep boys go get one.

[d1giPhux]

If you never touched your exhaust most likely you won't be able to use it. It may just fall apart in your hands. $6-9 at pep boys go get one.

There are no pep boys around here.. called all the other local auto places.. they dont have anything and cant order them.. i was like wtf. and yea, no way that gasket is good.. so i guess i'll just bite the bullet at get one from teh stealership... i mean, either way, i still need to get PB blaster.. cause those bolts are on tight as hell and not movin.. plus.. not much room under there.. i dont wanna break anything either =X

[Reason]

They MAY break, buy some bolts just incase. If you dont use them this time you will another. I have buckets of bolts from my Legacy. So if I get another one I'm all set :wink:

[Wiscon_Mark]

Just got off the phone with Bosal, should have mine by Tuesday. Mike also says he has 96 of the wagon models left in stock. They're $105 too. Ooberdoob and all the other wagon people, have at it.

I'm really tempted to sell my STi muffler for an SPT one...I could use a little less volume at times, since my parents like to use the car occasionally...oh well.

[2.5GT]

[quote="Legacygt_97":26vkbrec]Just got off the phone with Bosal, should have mine by Tuesday. Mike also says he has 96 of the wagon models left in stock. They're $105 too. Ooberdoob and all the other wagon people, have at it.

I'm really tempted to sell my STi muffler for an SPT one...I could use a little less volume at times, since my parents like to use the car occasionally...oh well.[/quote:26vkbrec]

Go for it, for the price It's almost a steal :eek:

[2.5GT]

One question.

Im planing to run 2.25'' pipe from the cat down to the muffler.
But what's the stock size at the Cat's flange? Is it smaller than 2.25?

[Reason]

The pipe for the SPT isn't 2.25" if you didn't know.

[2.5GT]

The pipe for the SPT isn't 2.25" if you didn't know.

The muffler shop will make it 2.25'' :grin:

[Reason]

So you plan on cutting off the whole pipe and welding up a new one? It would have be cheaper getting a universal and having them fit it.

[2.5GT]

So you plan on cutting off the whole pipe and welding up a new one? It would have be cheaper getting a universal and having them fit it.

Yeah, run 2.25'' from the cat down to the muffler. for $115, Im not complaining.

[Reason]

I'm talking about the pipe on the muffler. From the axle to the muffler. It doesn't make sense.

[d1giPhux]

Yay for rust and rounded bolts... uh yea, without a lift.. how the hell do you get a nice and rounded bolt off? Both of the bolts on my muffler at pretty much tore the hell up..

edit : solved my own problem.. well at least on one of the nuts.. pipe wrench for the win!

[d1giPhux]

well.. its on! Sounds great too.. just like stock for the most part.. very quiet.. but has a bit more of a rumble / low sound to it! really nice!

Seems to hang a bit lower, as well as sticking out further.. but overall.. very nice!

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/sptexhaust1-1.jpg

[2.5GT]

I'm talking about the pipe on the muffler. From the axle to the muffler. It doesn't make sense.

Yes, the axle back pipe will be cut off, using just the muffler.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Even so, the internal diameter on the muffler would remain the same, you'd be bottlenecking. If you want 2.25" don't get this muffler, get a universal.

[2.5GT]

Even so, the internal diameter on the muffler would remain the same, you'd be bottlenecking. If you want 2.25" don't get this muffler, get a universal.

The muffler shop will weld another piece to the muffler to attach to the 2.25''
Still I'll go as plan, and I already order the axle back, so :grin:

[Wiscon_Mark]

I was talking about inside the muffler. You're having it gutted, or what?

[2.5GT]

Im just going to leave it as it is. see how it sounds.

[Reason]

Im just going to leave it as it is. see how it sounds.

What we are trying to say is no matter what the inside of the muffler is going to be the stock size unless it is gutted.

[JLav211]

Do any of you guys know if they have this exhaust for the BE?

[Wiscon_Mark]

Do any of you guys know if they have this exhaust for the BE?

There is an SPT exhaust for the BE, but you'll have to check and see if they're blowing those out or not.

[d1giPhux]

Weird.. my host was down. Guess you can see the pic now.

[2.5GT]

Weird.. my host was down. Guess you can see the pic now.

sound clip? :grin:

[d1giPhux]

Weird.. my host was down. Guess you can see the pic now.

sound clip? :grin:

I'm gonna try to get one as soon as my damn camera batteries recharge.. haha. it only sounds a LITTLE deeper then stock.. not much really. Its quite nice though.. i feel like i got a little extra pull to the car too.. but maybe its just my imagination?

[warrior]

i feel like i got a little extra pull to the car too.. but maybe its just my imagination?

It's your imagination. Just like when you wash you car, you feel as if its quicker.

Don't be thinking like them Honda boys and gaining a whole 10WHP by adding an after market muffler.

[d1giPhux]

But back on topic.. i didnt gain any whp at all from this.. but at least it sounds a little more solid then the other LGT muffler did.. its pretty nice looking too! Never expected to gain anything from it.. other than buying a cheap $100 upgrade that looked a bit nicer. I just couldnt turn down the cheap price!

2.5GT : when you get yours.. you will very much like it. Take some pics after you mod the muffler itself.. also, i suggest if you are getting cutting / welding done.. have them shorten the length of the muffler by like one inch or something.. hmm, altho, then the hangers might not line up right.. but it does stick out further than the LGT one.. which is kinda.. ehh, i dunno. its aiight i guess.

[2.5GT]

i Just like to twist your panties so i can see you scream like bitches. :lol:

But back on topic.. i didnt gain any whp at all from this.. but at least it sounds a little more solid then the other LGT muffler did.. its pretty nice looking too! Never expected to gain anything from it.. other than buying a cheap $100 upgrade that looked a bit nicer. I just couldnt turn down the cheap price!

2.5GT : when you get yours.. you will very much like it. Take some pics after you mod the muffler itself.. also, i suggest if you are getting cutting / welding done.. have them shorten the length of the muffler by like one inch or something.. hmm, altho, then the hangers might not line up right.. but it does stick out further than the LGT one.. which is kinda.. ehh, i dunno. its aiight i guess.

Yeah, I think Im going to wait til I get my header, then run 2.25 from there to the muffler. It's gonna be awhile tho, my lack of fund kills me :lol:

And yes, I got it just for the hella cheap price! :lol:

[rougeben83]

2.25" lol. Think out of the box people, get 2.5"! :grin: :grin:

[badbasser98]

.. also, i suggest if you are getting cutting / welding done.. have them shorten the length of the muffler by like one inch or something.. hmm, altho, then the hangers might not line up right.. but it does stick out further than the LGT one.. which is kinda.. ehh, i dunno. its aiight i guess.
Did you get the wagon version? I don't remember seeing any that stuck out further than stock...

[Wiscon_Mark]

2.25" lol. Think out of the box people, get 2.5"! :grin: :grin:

I like my torque, thanks ;)

(Actually, I'm halfway between 2.25 and 2.5 with my Exhaust)

[d1giPhux]

.. also, i suggest if you are getting cutting / welding done.. have them shorten the length of the muffler by like one inch or something.. hmm, altho, then the hangers might not line up right.. but it does stick out further than the LGT one.. which is kinda.. ehh, i dunno. its aiight i guess.
Did you get the wagon version? I don't remember seeing any that stuck out further than stock...

No, they gave me the sedan version.. but it sticks out further than the LGT stock exhaust.. the LGT stock exhaust sits right under the little groove in the lip, and this one comes out just about 1-2" further. not much.. but its definitely out further than stock.. i hope they didnt send me a wagon one.. i dont think they did though.. i told them it was for a sedan! :smt017

2.5GT : when you get yours on.. let me know if its out a bit further than the stock one.

[2.5GT]

.. also, i suggest if you are getting cutting / welding done.. have them shorten the length of the muffler by like one inch or something.. hmm, altho, then the hangers might not line up right.. but it does stick out further than the LGT one.. which is kinda.. ehh, i dunno. its aiight i guess.
Did you get the wagon version? I don't remember seeing any that stuck out further than stock...

No, they gave me the sedan version.. but it sticks out further than the LGT stock exhaust.. the LGT stock exhaust sits right under the little groove in the lip, and this one comes out just about 1-2" further. not much.. but its definitely out further than stock.. i hope they didnt send me a wagon one.. i dont think they did though.. i told them it was for a sedan! :smt017

2.5GT : when you get yours on.. let me know if its out a bit further than the stock one.

I just got off the phone with mike, he said i should be getting mine in like 2 days! woot! :lol:

[KungFuMonkey]

Can't wait to see the wagon version!!

[d1giPhux]

If anyone wants to check out a video of the exhaust in action.. you can also see how much it 'sticks out' as well from this:

http://www.designlabx.com/subaru/exhaust/exhaust4.swf

[2.5GT]

If anyone wants to check out a video of the exhaust in action.. you can also see how much it 'sticks out' as well from this:

http://www.designlabx.com/subaru/exhaust/exhaust4.swf

very nice sound.

and you said cut it about 1-2''? to tuck the tip in a little?

[d1giPhux]

nah, i didnt cut it at all.. was saying if you were going to cut yours.. you might want to do that.. but, now that i look at it in the vid.. doesnt look like its sticking out that bad. :lol:

[2.5GT]

yeah, i might to need get rid about an 1'' or so by looking at that vid.

hows it sound like at high speed cruising?

[d1giPhux]

Deeper / better than just revving. Its pretty nice man.. you will enjoy it. Its just a little bit deeper then stock.. but sounds sick in the higher rpm range while driving.

[KungFuMonkey]

My friend just bought a 98 silver LGT; he signed up under Tominator, but is still waiting for approval. He bought the spt axleback and wanted to share some pics.

By the way I have two pictures of this exhaust on the wagon, and they look really tucked in. I am wondering if that person have the sedan version on.

Tominator:
Here are some pics of the exhaust on my 98 LGT. The exhaust is awsome and absolutely a steal at $105, my shipping cost $12 so the total was $117.00. Mike from Bosal is a great guy to deal with, if anyone is in the need of a new exhaust/muffler then they should get this.

I just got the Legacy a week ago and the first thing to go was the gay straight-pipe from the previous owner. Here is the Bosal next to the gay straightpipe. This muffler is so much quieter than what used to be on.



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The welds are great, the finish is fantastic and with the exception of the tip sticking out 2 inches past the lip under the bumper, it fit perfectly. As one guy earlier stated it hangs down a little low so I just used the rubber hanger things to tuck it up a little bit. It turned up really nice and looks better tucked up.

[oncesir]

well.. its on! Sounds great too.. just like stock for the most part.. very quiet.. but has a bit more of a rumble / low sound to it! really nice!

Seems to hang a bit lower, as well as sticking out further.. but overall.. very nice!

I agree about the sound, a little rumble at idle and a bit more while driving. Its just slightly audible from inside the car.

The exhaust hangs down waay too low for my taste. I modified a few exhaust hangers I had laying around and its sits perfectly in the bumper cutout and is much closer to the body. For $114 shipped Im not complaining. Glad I found this deal.

BTW Mike told me he has the SPT part for the wagon as well. It was on ebay when I originally saw and posted this question.

[d1giPhux]

So what the hell!?! is mine the only one sticking out too far.. grrr. thats kind of annoying me. I like how that one looks tucked into the wagon.. while i dont mind mine, i really want it to sit under the groove like the stock one. Also, where could i get some shorter hangers so that it wont sit so low?! Any suggestions?

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/sptexhaust2-2.jpg

total length from tip to inlet flange .. does this mean from the part where you bolt it up (the flange) to the tip of the exhaust? Just wondering..because i emailed Mike about this, and he told me to get him this measurement.. seems like its going to be a pain in the ass to do in this weather.. so we will see. Hope they didnt send me the wrong one.. or thats going to be a hugeeee pain!

[KungFuMonkey]

The exhaust seems to stick out more than yours from the side profile of Tom's car.

[Wiscon_Mark]

total length from tip to inlet flange .. does this mean from the part where you bolt it up (the flange) to the tip of the exhaust?

Nah, just from the muffler canister to the tip.

[d1giPhux]

total length from tip to inlet flange .. does this mean from the part where you bolt it up (the flange) to the tip of the exhaust?

Nah, just from the muffler canister to the tip.

So its where the pipe goes into the muffler, to the tip of the muffler correct?

edit : contacted mike at bosal.. and he did mean from the flange where it bolts up to the tip. thanks!

[2.5GT]

I should be getting mine today, if sooner than i can get it on. if not then tomorrow :grin:

[d1giPhux]

I should be getting mine today, if sooner than i can get it on. if not then tomorrow :grin:

Hells yea! Take some pics once you get it on.. i want to know if i got a wagon muffler or something! Oh also, if you run into rounded nuts on the bolts... yea, pipe wrench is your friend! And if you want to pick up some new nuts, they are:

m10-1.25mm

[2.5GT]

I should be getting mine today, if sooner than i can get it on. if not then tomorrow :grin:

Hells yea! Take some pics once you get it on.. i want to know if i got a wagon muffler or something! Oh also, if you run into rounded nuts on the bolts... yea, pipe wrench is your friend! And if you want to pick up some new nuts, they are:

m10-1.25mm

fo shizznit! :lol:

Im probably going to just put the axle back on as it is. I dont have enough money to run 2.25 from the cat and order the header. Since i dropped almost $500 on coil overs! :eek:

[2.5GT]

Every time i go do something to my car, the UPS man comes! :eek:
here some pics/comparisons..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00139.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00141.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00140.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00143.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00142.jpg

[Reason]

Here is a pic of my old SPT next to my Borla

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/EJ25Legacy/Leqacy%20crash/DSCF0171.jpg

[2.5GT]

thats a big tip...4'' you say? :eek:

[Reason]

fills the stock opening perfectly. I like the SPT mufflers, they are cute :wink:

[Sarra]

If I could get an SPT with a non-flared tip...

[d1giPhux]

wow.. that borla is WAYYYY too big in my opinion. Altho im sure it sounds nasty! Get some pics up of that SPT soon as u get it on!

[oncesir]

Also, where could i get some shorter hangers so that it wont sit so low?! Any suggestions?

My tip still sticks out like yours but doesnt look as far out since its tucked into the exhaust cutout on the bumper.

I modified 2 OEM Honda exhaust hangers(I work at the Honda dealer so spare parts arent hard to come by). I found an older VW hanger that worked perfectly as well. All 3 hangers were shorter than the OEM Subaru so its not hanging nearly as low as before. The hanger mods took about 5 mins and is self explanatory. Ill get some pics this weekend if anyone wants any.

[backpack09]

Here is a pic of my old SPT next to my Borla

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/
Reason,

did you modify the SPT one? End pipe, past the muffler is much shorter than digi's
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/exhaust1-1.jpg

2.5, is your car a wagon?
Your end pipe is the same length as digi's
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

[d1giPhux]

I emailed mike @ bosal about my exhaust.. he told me to measure the length of it.. so soon i will know if they accidentally send me a wagon one or not.. i dont think they did.. but it will be interesting to find out anyways.

How do you go about modifying the honda hangers to work? What WV hangers work as well? Can you get ahold of any of these? I think i want to bring the exhaust up a little bit! =]

[oncesir]

How do you go about modifying the honda hangers to work? What WV hangers work as well? Can you get ahold of any of these? I think i want to bring the exhaust up a little bit! =]

The Honda hangers have smaller eyelet holes so you have to enlarge them slightly. I used a unibit to enlarge them and some lube to help them slip over the hanger bracket. The VW hanger is literally the shape of an "O" and fits perfectly over the 2 hangers closest to the rear subframe/rear diff. Ill snap some pics in a few.

[oncesir]

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1004590_euhsa/MVC-860S.JPG

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1004591_ok5k3/MVC-861S.JPG

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1004592_nrfkw/MVC-862S.JPG

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

The VW "O" shaped hanger helped pull the exhaust up slightly but made very llittle difference. Ive taken several hard turns with no rubbing on anything despite the hangers being so close. One other nice thing, the hangers are very stiff so the exhaust movement is reduced. You can get those Honda hangers on pretty much any old civic/Accord. hth

[oncesir]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/04/sptexhaust1-1.jpg

If you compare the 2 you can see the Honda hangers make a noticeable difference.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

[d1giPhux]

Nice, thanks for the pic man! So basically any honda hangers will do? Did you use 3 honda hangers to replace the ones on the exhaust.. or 2 honda hangers and teh WV hanger? If i just used all honda hangers.. it should reduce the 'sag' correct? Hmm, might need to look into it. I wonder how much 3 of them would run me.

Also.. on a side note.. does anyone know if borla headers / cat made for an 05 baja would git the BD?

[2.5GT]

backpack09, I got a sedan :wink:

And all this "sticking too far out" business, i think I'll just wait and do some work to the muffler :eek: ....cut off about 1-2'' where the pipe between the muffler and the tip. I'll try to do that and get back at yall :eek:

[tominator]

when you say hanger are you refering to the rubber round things or the actual metal hangers that are welded to the exhaust? Mine is tucked up alot, maybe even more than oncesir and I just put the metal shaft in the middle hole of the rubber things. Then I used some zipties to make sure nothing popped out of place. The exhaust is really sturdy and does not rock much left and right, up and down.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

You might want to try this before you go buy hangers for a honda or you could always heat up the metal hangers and rebend them to make them fit.

[2.5GT]

Metal shaft? any pics under the car?

[d1giPhux]

Sorry.. didnt mean the metal hangers.. i meant the plastic 'hangers' or whatever they are called. Not going to do any fabrication what-so-ever. I mean.. i barely care that it sticks out.. i just thought it would be nice to tuck it in a little more to attract less attention. :cool:

tominator : how far does your exhaust stick out of the stock hole as opposed to the stock LGT muffler? Any side view pics?

[tominator]

Unfortunetly, I bought my car with a gay straightpipe that the previous owner put on it, so I dont know how much further the bosal sticks out than the stocker. If you scroll up towards the top of page 4, kungfumonkey posted some pics up for me, there is a side shot of the tip sticking out, click the pics and they'll get bigger. My car is the silver LGT.

[2.5GT]

Unfortunetly, I bought my car with a gay straightpipe that the previous owner put on it, so I dont know how much further the bosal sticks out than the stocker. If you scroll up towards the top of page 4, kungfumonkey posted some pics up for me, there is a side shot of the tip sticking out, click the pics and they'll get bigger. My car is the silver LGT.

It shouldn't be any farther out pass the rear bumper lip.

[d1giPhux]

Get some pics up 2.5GT! Yea, i saw those pics he posted up for you. Looks nice tucked in like that..

[2.5GT]

Get some pics up 2.5GT! Yea, i saw those pics he posted up for you. Looks nice tucked in like that..

i havent put it on yet :eek:

the muffler shop that did my espelir axle back, did a horrible job. and welded the pipe to the middle section pipe. so im going to have to cut that off before i can do anything. it soon be up i promise :wink:

[Wiscon_Mark]

You mean the rubber hangers...heaven help us if they were made out of plastic.

I think Kartboy makes some extra short hangers...

[d1giPhux]

You mean the rubber hangers...heaven help us if they were made out of plastic.

I think Kartboy makes some extra short hangers...

No thanks on the 'kartboy' $30 hangers.. i dont need it that bad. and yea.. not plastic.. rubber. Urethane would be even better.. but not at the cost of $30 each.. hells no. The honda ones sound like an idea.. i dont have a bit big enough to make the mod on them.. any other ideas of what i could use? Might be able to use the boiling water trick.. haha might be kind of hard tho on one end..

[Wiscon_Mark]

30 each?

I was under the impression that was a full set.

edit:

http://www.allwheelengineering.com/bask ... ass=KB-011 (http://www.allwheelengineering.com/basket/catalog.cgi?query_net_id=kartboy&query_class=KB-011)

[d1giPhux]

30 each?

I was under the impression that was a full set.

Thank god.. its a miracle! Only $7.5 for a piece of $.5 worth of urethane..or rubber?! :lol:

But nah.. its just not THAT big of a deal.. I mean.. if i was gonna blow that much money.. id just get the job done right.. no need to have things done right dammit! :lol: Ghetto fabrication is where its at.

[Wiscon_Mark]

...and buying it from a reputable guy that'll help you any way he can.

Plus I'd like to see you set up molds for those hangers and have them done without wasting many hours of your life and for 7 bucks...

[d1giPhux]

True.. im sure its not exactly cheap to make the molds.. but eh.. not worth $7.5 in my opinion.. i mean, thats nearly 1/3 the cost of what i paid for the whole muffler! haha. Anyways.. cant wait to see when someone else gets this exhaust on.. so i can see what it looks like. I think if i do replace the hangers.. i'm just going to get some honda ones and mod them..either that, or just leave it alone.. its not likes its hanging down super low..

When you installing yours 2.5GT ?

[backpack09]

You guys do know you can buy new rubber hangers at autozone right...

[oncesir]

Honestly the Honda hangers would probably work without modification but I did it to make it easier to install. Hit the local junkyard and I'd be shocked if they charged you $1.00 for 2 of em. Just my .02.

[2.5GT]

i say zippy tie it :lol:

[d1giPhux]

i say zippy tie it :lol:

Haha, you get yours on yet? Oh yea.. autozone for hangers eh? .. do they sell them for diff types of vehicles.. or generic types? I wonder if it would be possible to bring my hanger in and see if they have something similar but shorter.. would be a good buy! Id do up the junk yards right now.. except for the weather! =/

[2.5GT]

i say zippy tie it :lol:

Haha, you get yours on yet? Oh yea.. autozone for hangers eh? .. do they sell them for diff types of vehicles.. or generic types? I wonder if it would be possible to bring my hanger in and see if they have something similar but shorter.. would be a good buy! Id do up the junk yards right now.. except for the weather! =/

No, i haven't yet. But i'll post pics when i do.

[mr_choung]

this muffler is tempting me. i got my magnaflow and it baffles. i wanna fix it by getting this muffler but that means it's going to be more quieter. magaflow is 2.5 and spt is 2.25. huh?????maybe i can get a sound clip but don't know where to host it so you guys can hear the baffle. photobucket? lmk

choung

[Reason]

this muffler is tempting me. i got my magnaflow and it baffles. i wanna fix it by getting this muffler but that means it's going to be more quieter. magaflow is 2.5 and spt is 2.25. huh?????maybe i can get a sound clip but don't know where to host it so you guys can hear the baffle. photobucket? lmk

choung

The SPT isn't 2.25, I'm pretty sure it's stock size.

[Wiscon_Mark]

this muffler is tempting me. i got my magnaflow and it baffles. i wanna fix it by getting this muffler but that means it's going to be more quieter. magaflow is 2.5 and spt is 2.25. huh?????maybe i can get a sound clip but don't know where to host it so you guys can hear the baffle. photobucket? lmk

choung

Magnaflow is 2.5? You can get it in many different sizes, I don't know what you mean.

The SPT isn't 2.25. I'm not sure if it's stock size either, but it's more likely that.

You can host it on photobucket, or putfile, or streetfire.

[tominator]

the inlet size of the Bosal is a stock 2.0"

[Reason]

the inlet size of the Bosal is a stock 2.0"

I thought it was 1 7/8" It was so long I don't remember.

[Wiscon_Mark]

the inlet size of the Bosal is a stock 2.0"

I thought it was 1 7/8" It was so long I don't remember.

Stock is 1 7/8ths. He's saying that it's not the same as stock.

[mr_choung]

the inlet of my magnaflow muffler is 2.5 but my catback is 2.25 so basically all 2.25 until it reaches the muffler then it's 2.5

so if the bosal is 2.0 inch in diameter, wouldn't there be more restriction which would lose hp??? still debating to buy this bosal or a used stromung single tip catback from a impreza rs for 300??don't even know if it fits

choung

[Reason]

the inlet size of the Bosal is a stock 2.0"

I thought it was 1 7/8" It was so long I don't remember.

Stock is 1 7/8ths. He's saying that it's not the same as stock.What I'm saying is I measured mine and it wasn't 2" it was less.

[2.5GT]

It's not 2'', it's stock sizing.

[tominator]

It's not 2'', it's stock sizing.

whoops! I guess I should have measured the inlet before I installed it. I did speak with Mike from Bosal and he told me that it was 2" I'm not sure if there is a difference between the 2.2 ltr and 2.5 ltr though.

[JMoney]

I shot this guy an email, but nothing back. Anyone have that problem? Maybe I'll just call him.

[tekkitan]

no BE love, huh? :)

[d1giPhux]

I shot this guy an email, but nothing back. Anyone have that problem? Maybe I'll just call him.

Yea.. he use to get back to me real quick.. but its been about 2 weeks since ive heard from him. Shoot him a call.. and maybe ask him about his email problems too?

[2.5GT]

Got the exhaust put on today at Meineke, they did a pretty good job too. compare to the shop that did my Espelir exhaust :roll:

And yes, the tip does stick out farther, but i got it cut and push back to the lip of the bumper. Looks pretty nice and noticeable gain in HP but not loud at all, compare to my Espelir exhaust :roll: :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00146-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00147.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00148-1.jpg

Out with the old :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/4A-FE/DSC00149.jpg

[d1giPhux]

Nice man! Looks tight! How much it cost for them to cut it / re-weld? Looks awesome! What type of hangers did they use? Stock subaru ones?

[brs1986]

will that fit on an 03 legacy with an NA engine?

[Plays_with_Toys]

nope. Different hangers and I think the pipe bends aren't as drastic in the BE's. There is an SPT muffler available for your car and you might contact the seller to see if he has the particular one you need.

[2.5GT]

Nice man! Looks tight! How much it cost for them to cut it / re-weld? Looks awesome! What type of hangers did they use? Stock subaru ones?

$55. and all stock hangers. it looks pretty good to me, no honda hangers whatsoever :eek:

[d1giPhux]

Anyone looking to buy exhausts from bosal.. make SURE you get them to give you the right one. Im actually in contact with someone right now who also recieved a bosal SPT exhaust as well from bosal, and they seem to have sent him one that is about 1.5" too short. I spoke with mike over at bosal this morning and he said that the shipping dept has been packaging the exhausts wrong. I've been talking with the guy with the 'too short' wagon exhaust.. and we figure we have both been sent the incorrect ones. The best way to tell is apparently the tip size. Wagons are 8.75" and Sedans are about 7.5" .


Edit:

Here are the measurements i have compiled from both a sedan and wagon so far:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wagon:

Front connection flange to tip of muffler (full length) : approx. 49.5"

From back of muffler canister to tip of muffler canister: approx. 26"

Muffler tip length: 8.5 - 8.75"

--------------
Sedan:

Front connection flange to tip of muffler (full length): 48.5

From back of muffler canister to tip of muffler canister: 24.5"

Muffler tip length: 7.5"

------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is a picture of someones wagon exhaust who apparently has the incorrect length:

http://tinyurl.com/yt8cbv

I'm really glad bosal has awesome customer service! Mike over at bosal has been great in communicating about the problem and helping me figure things out. Looks like i might be getting a new exhaust soon! :twisted:

Definitely one of the best companies i have ever dealt with!

[2.5GT]

why get another one? its the same muffler, just cut the tip and shorten it.

[d1giPhux]

why get another one? its the same muffler, just cut the tip and shorten it.

I dont have the money to cut the tip / re weld and such.. id rather just get a stock spec one.. plus, I'm only getting a new one because ive been talking with bosal about it since the day i got my exhaust.

[Wiscon_Mark]

why get another one? its the same muffler, just cut the tip and shorten it.

Because you can get the right one for free? It was their mistake.

[2.5GT]

[quote="2.5GT":r7k503zq]why get another one? its the same muffler, just cut the tip and shorten it.

Because you can get the right one for free? It was their mistake.[/quote:r7k503zq]

he has to send the other one back right?

[d1giPhux]

[quote="Wiscon_Mark":1yka3gyd][quote="2.5GT":1yka3gyd]why get another one? its the same muffler, just cut the tip and shorten it.

Because you can get the right one for free? It was their mistake.[/quote:1yka3gyd]

he has to send the other one back right?[/quote:1yka3gyd]

They are just sending me another one.. then i think they are going to have the wrong one replaced.. we will see though.. for now, they are just sending a new one.

[2.5GT]

make sure he doesn't charge you for it :eek:

[d1giPhux]

make sure he doesn't charge you for it :eek:

Yea, im not going to be charged either way, if they try to pull a fast one on me.. im just going to keep the second exhaust. haha. I'm pretty sure they are sending a return label however!

[2.5GT]

haha well lets us know when you get it... :eek:

[ooberdoob]

d1giPhux: what was that pic again?

i'm thinking about getting the muffler after all. i hope there are still some available. probably not.

[d1giPhux]

d1giPhux: what was that pic again?

i'm thinking about getting the muffler after all. i hope there are still some available. probably not.

The pic of the wagon was of the muffler that was too short, and my pics were of a muffler that was too long. You have a wagon right? I think they were only selling them for the sedan.. but they havent taken back their wagon muffler yet from me.. so if you are interested.. i will sell you my extra wagon muffler. (lets hope they dont come knocking for it) :grin:


Also.. getting some pics of my proper sedan muffler soon! I have it one.. just been lazy!

[Illnastyimpreza]

awesome deal !

I might pick one up for my 98 Legacy L wagon

so its stock piping size... a tiny bit more growl...


BUT are there any performance gains???

[Wiscon_Mark]

If you just slap it on an already stock system? Probably not anything significant, maybe 1 or 2 HP

[dplacencia]

Is this deal still available?

[2.5GT]

Is this deal still available?

contact mike directly and he'll give u teh awnser :grin:

[mikeye]

Anyone try to get a hold of Mike lately?

Deal is still available?

[mikeye]

Here's an update:

I purchased a BD5 SPT muffler from Mike last week on Wednesday and I got it today!

Great guy and great service from Bosal!

The cost of the muffler was $115 and $25 shipping to Canada. The package is huge! Also, it was amzing how Mike made sure I was not taxed by customs, so only $140US to my front door via UPS!

[Black_Adder]

In case anyone is interested in this muffler still, I just ordered one from Mike at Bosal. I payed $130 for the muffler (I payed with paypal so it was $15 extra), and shipping to Ottawa, Canada was $52.50. A bit more expensive for me, but still much cheaper than buying it anywhere else! He is shipping it tomorrow, and I should have it by next week.

[03LegacyWgn]

Here's an update:

I purchased a BD5 SPT muffler from Mike last week on Wednesday and I got it today!

Great guy and great service from Bosal!

The cost of the muffler was $115 and $25 shipping to Canada. The package is huge! Also, it was amzing how Mike made sure I was not taxed by customs, so only $140US to my front door via UPS!

sweet deal, any contact info for him? i do have the wagon but im crafty with a welder so i may just take the plunge or does anyone know the wagon part number?

[heyfrench]

I just purchased one tonight from Mike for my sedan for $125+shipping.

Anyone know if this should come with a gasket? And if they come with a warranty? I forgot to ask when I made the purchase and had to leave him these questions on his VM as it was after 5pm when I called back to ask.

EDIT: Got a response - NO gasket - 1 year warranty

And if anyone was looking for his contact info it is:
Michael Yatkowitz
Bosal USA/Bosal Performance
Sales
14 Troy Hills Rd.
Whippany, NJ 07981
Phone 800-631-7271 x227
Fax 973-428-8856
Direct Line 973-240-2227
myatkowitz@bosalusa.com
http://www.bosalna.com

[DLC]

This is a bump from the grave, but I contacted Mike today, because of this thread, and he has mufflers available. I'll be ordering one for my BK4 tomorrow, once I find out how much shipping is.

[legacy_outback]

couldnt believe there were still some left so i ordered mine today :eek: . cant wait till i get it!

[Benfolio]

Still debating if I should get one. He wouldn't discount it any more for me even though I get wholesale. $140 + shipping seems kinda steep for old product that they seem to want to get rid of.

[Reason]

Steep? You wont't find a brand new pre made muffler for your car anywhere else. I thought it was a pretty good price myself. I paid $155 shipped when I got mine.

[legacy_outback]

put mine on yesterday and im kind of dissapointed. i was expecting it to be a little bit louder. cant even hear it while driving. probably cuz my intake is so loud

[ccampbell2546]

So, how much louder than stock is this muffler? Enough to notice? My stock exhaust is in great shape, and I was wondering if this one would be any different. I have borla replicas already installed if that matters.

[legacy_outback]

I have borlas too and you can definately hear a little rumble but it just wasnt loud enough for me i guess. heres a link to mine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4_8Y_ZMPDQ

[DLC]

It's not a loud muffler, but it is certainly noisier than stock, especially after a few minutes driving. I expect it to be even louder if/when I get an HFC installed as well.

[Benfolio]

Steep? You wont't find a brand new pre made muffler for your car anywhere else. I thought it was a pretty good price myself. I paid $155 shipped when I got mine.

I'm just poor. Rather spend the ~$150 on a header. My GT wagon muffler actually isn't that quiet with just the Borla midpipe on it.... and I have that high-flow cat just SITTING there, not on my car yet. Ugh. Need header.