EJ22T into a BD: What all is needed?

[grayguy]

What all is needed to get an ej22t into a BD and running. I know I need, the motor, turbo cross memeber, custom exhaust, custom IC piping (FMIC) and associated gauges. The things I am not sure about are: Do I need a different fuel pump? And what would be needed as far as the ECU goes? Is it possible to get the Stock Turbo ECU to run the engine in a BD?

The first stage of this would be done as cheap as possible, hence why I asked about the stock turbo ECU, cause I don't have the money to go fullblown stand alone ATM, and it's not really nessecary on a mostly stock ej22t. Basically, for atleast a while, I would want to be running nothing crazy, just slightly more boost from the stock turbo (or possibly wrx/sti take off?) nice 3inch exhaust, and a FMIC setup. Any and all information is welcome.

[Huffer]

Did you read the sticky?
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?t=3347

[grayguy]

Yes. I know actually getting it in the car wont be an issue. I'm more concerned with the wiring aspect.

[AJM]

Wiring, I don't know alot about, but yes, you should upgrade the fuel pump ,and if you;re planning on running more boost, maybe upgraded injectors too.

[grayguy]

The whole OBD1 motor into my OBD2 car thing is kinda worrying me.

[Wiscon_Mark]

The whole OBD1 motor into my OBD2 car thing is kinda worrying me.

Minnesota doesn't have emissions testing/inspections do they?

[grayguy]

no emissions testing here

[grayguy]

Ok, I just got done talking to my ej22t genious friend about some things, and I have a lot better Idea of what i think I want to do now.

I'm thinking use the EJ22T short block, and the ej25 heads and intake manifold. I'll build a custom Up-pipe to go to a TD04l turbo. I want to run a FMIC, so that's obviously all custom piping. And all custom 3inch exhaust. I am still not certain on injectors. Some say my 2.5 injectors are the same as the STI pinks, others say I need something else, does anyone know for sure?

As for management, my friend suggested using MAF Translator with a good AF meter and MAP sensor. That puts me at about $760ish for managment. this management seems very user friendly and has lots of features. He also suggested I use a GM boost control Solenoid ($60 dealer part from the typhoo/cyclone blazers of the early 90's) to electronically control boost. The nice thing about the MAF Translator is I could apparenly tell it that I want a certain AFR and PSI at any given RPM, and the computer would figure out how it needs to adjust the fuel curve to get the desired affect.

I would hope to begin withrunning around 10psi on this setup, and once I knew everything was going correctly, I would eventually turn it up to the 15-16psi range.

Thoughts on this setup/idea? Has anyone here run the MAF translator management?

[sheepdog]

Not sure about your management stuff, I've never messed with any of those. However, I do know that the N/a ej25 injectors are NOT the same as the STi pinks.

[StatGSR]

well we pulled the 22t heads off.. we needed a little breaker bar to get the head bolts off but it worked out fine...
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/05/Teardown2-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/05/Teardown4-1.jpg

[sheepdog]

saweeet. I can't wait until I'm rebuilding myself an ej22t. What all are you doing to the motor? It looks like it might need a cleaning :wink:

[Plays_with_Toys]

What are the head bolts supposed to be torqued to?! All these engines laying in a garage is making me antsy to start my project!

[grayguy]

I'm not sure what the heads are supposed to be torqued too, but we seriously needed that much to get them off (keeping in mind that pipe flexed a fair amount)

I'm going ej22t short block (stock internals for now) with the ej25 heads and intake mani. I already picked up a WRX tmic, and I just bought a 16G (TD05) turbo too. Hopefully this project will start rolling faster after I finish up finals this week.

[AJM]

The Sti Pink run in excess of 500 cc's wile...I think 2.5's run around high 3's to low 4's. I know the 2.5 fuel rails are larger than an ej22's.

Someone correct me if i'm wong on the 2.5 injectors.

[AJM]

On a side note, I love how light subaru motors are. Really, for a guy like me it's no problem to carry 'em around. :grin:

[grayguy]

I'm pretty sure i'm going to run 650cc SR20 nissan injectors like my friend is doing on his ej22t. I still have to discuss that setup with him though.

[Huffer]

Should get that block dipped to remove corrosion. Have the crank balanced too...

Looks like a great project!

[grayguy]

For the time being I'm not taking the short block apart. In 1-2 years when i can afford a tranny, it'll get pulled back out and get rods/pistons, and lots of balancing. For now it's keeping the stock bottom end. I will defiently be spending some time cleaning eerythign out the best I can before re-assembly though.

[grayguy]

Well update time: I got my heads back from the machine shop, I just got my oil/water pump yesterday. I still need to drill/tap my heads and then the motor can go back together. I went with the ACT clutch. Tonight I got my FMIC all figured out, and it's pretty much ready to go. I am also working on the dash and HVAC relocation, but I'm not quite done yet. Here's the FMIC pics:

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/06/FMIC-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/06/FMIC5-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/06/FMIC3-1.jpg

[tekkitan]

nice!

[grayguy]

Dash roughed in:

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/06/Dash-1.jpg

[kkushner4474]

how are those gauges held in

[auspex]

how are those gauges held in

love and tenderness, baby!!!!!



dear god, let this thread keep alive w/sweet tales of 22t bliss. I'm ready for more power soooo bad and the 22t is the only way that I can tell if you're going to be buying piece by piece.....

[Sarra]

lmao I love how the circulation controls (heat, ac) look almost like they're a part of the stereo!

That's a pretty nice shot of the FMIC, low key. Are you going to do anything to prevent damage to it from FOD?

[backpack09]

Wow. How are you planning to run your IC piping? space is soo tight up there.

[grayguy]

The gauges are pretty much pressure fit in ATM. I still need to work that out.

I'm not sure what you mean by "FOD?" But there wont be anything infront of the intercooler if that's what you mean?

The IC piping. It comes off the FMIC, drops down under the fog lights, bend back up and through the hole in the engine compartment that the stock one goes in. Then on the other side, it does the same except I need to drill a 3'' hole where the battery used to be.

[Sarra]

FOD as Foreign Object Debris or Foreign object damage. Though, it looks like it'll be pretty well protected...

[Reason]

What work do you need to do to the heads to make it work with the block?

[StatGSR]

^ he just has to tap em for oil or coolant (for the turbo), i forget, one needs to be taped, but one needs to be taped the other you can just remove a bolt for.

besides that and getting the proper HG its a bolt on affair i belive.

[glee60]

Umm yay? Why haven't I been involved in this... jerks. :smt076 (Kidding)
Random teaser of my progress in VW land, I just got my block back it's so cleeeean and so 0 mileish! :shock:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/GLEE60/Raddo/DSC01307.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/GLEE60/Raddo/DSC01309.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e172/GLEE60/Raddo/DSC01308.jpg
So, Mr Max... I need to have a talk with you about details... I may be getting motor funds verrry quickly...

[grayguy]

Umm yay? Why haven't I been involved in this... jerks. :smt076 (Kidding)

Mr Max... I need to have a talk with you about details... I may be getting motor funds verrry quickly...

Honestly, not too many people have been very involved. I usually work on this thing late at night after work. Usually when other people are out there, we just end up sitting around and drinking and starting large fires for my drunken roommate.

Engine funds for the VW or legacy?



I started on my IC piping today. Looks like the stock fogs are going Bye-bye.

[phi11]

grayguy, is this going to be running by the, mnduluth trip?

[grayguy]

I don't know when the duluth trip is, but I've hoping to have it done with in the next month. Right now I'm at a stand still cause I can't find a picture of where I need to drill/tap my head for the coolant and oil, and I'm not about to take a drill to my newly-rebuit heads with no idea what I'm doing.

On a side note, does anyone know what type on oil fitting thing I need to put into my oil pan?

[glee60]

Fair enough. Scooby motor funds of course! Hopefully my VR6 is sold and if that's the case it's going straight to an ej22t mmm.... "t" goodness.

[grayguy]

ej22t:AWESOME! Your not gonna get one around here though, we pretty much cleaned out the area.

I got my zeitronics today, and I might be buying a differnt turbo, I haven't decided yet.

[glee60]

You are correct sir, mid July I'm moving to Montana... which hopefully will have a plethora of them!

[glee60]

Updates sir! The people demand updates!

[grayguy]

Updates...I'm waiting on parts, and information right now. I'm thinking of just springing for a new Forced Perfomance 18G, but i am still undecided.

[grayguy]

Links shipped from New Zealand yesterday...now we wait...

[deadlydave]

document this well, I want to do the same thing :grin: .

[grayguy]

well, I don't have any pics ATM, but the motor is reassembled, and may be back in the car tommorow or sunday. I still need injectors, Exhaust, and a turbo. I'm probably gonna build my own 3in TBE, I'm using SR-20 injectors (not sure on size yet) and I'm going with a Forced Performance, EVO3 16G. There's the update for now.

[StatGSR]

so i take it you got the heads all tapped and what not? btw im comin down on tueday. so we have to drink beer and look at the car sometime haha.

[grayguy]

so i take it you got the heads all tapped and what not? btw im comin down on tueday. so we have to drink beer and look at the car sometime haha.

yeah, the heads are taken care of. and, THE MOTOR IS IN THE CAR NOW!!!

Yeah, jeremy and I both called you last night, if I remeber correctly, I called you a lawn fairy. Call me when you get to town.

[grayguy]

Update: Sorry about the lack of pictures, My little sister stole my camera...I'll get them up asap.

The car is Wired! My subie wiring god of a freind wired the standalone last week, everything is basically ready to go, I just need to hook up the GM boost control Solenoid when i get it. I also need to wire up the autometers.

Ok, so here's an important lesson for you. WRX STUFF IS NOT A SIMPLE BOLT ON! I ended up buying full aftermarket exhaust for a 97-01 WRX. The uppipe barely hits the bottom of the passenger side head. The bigger issue is the fact that the stock WRX turbo's outlet goes straight into the TB. So, I'm in the process of clocking the outlet 180degrees. Oce that's done, I am going to have to cut up the uppipe and get it all to fit in there well. I hope to do that tonight or tommorow night.

Sorry for the novel and no pics, I'll try to get some up later this week.

[grayguy]

Here's some pics:

Engine back in
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/EngineBackin-1.jpg

Battery relocation: I used 2 kicker distribution blocks, one for the engine bay end, and one for all the grounds in the trunk. I think this made for a nice clean looking installation. Oh, and don't worry, I'm not using that battery, I'm gonna pick up a closed/sealed battery. Either an optima or a stinger.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Battery1-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Battery2-1.jpg

Here is where I mounted the zetronics LCD. I was not to happy to discover that I have to buy the EGT and boost sensors for it seperately...So until I have $200ish to drop on those 2 sensors, this thing is virtually worthless...

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Zetronics-1.jpg

And here's my friend T-leg in my garage. We were putting 3" TBE exhaust on it. I was hoping that having a running T-leg next to it would motivate my car to get it's self running...it didn't work :-(

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Tlegs3-1.jpg

But, now that the hardest part (as far as I'm concerned) is done!!! Thanks to my wiring genius friend, my links and zetronics are wired!

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Wiring-1.jpg

And finally, this is my uppipe I was ready to finish up when my welder crapped out, and I got angry and drove my truck over a tercel.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/Uppipemockup-1.jpg

And the "Anger Managment"

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/09/yotavsyota-1.jpg

So that's where my car sits. I'm bringing my welder into the shop today and hopefully I'll have it fixed soon so I can finish all my pipework.

[deadlydave]

awesome job man. Good luck, keep fighting the good fight.

[SPR]

haha love the turd on turd action lol. great pic.

nice to see it coming along so well! the wiring is truley the hardest part. looks great thou cant wait to see this thing run! if you lived anywhere near me, id bring you my welder in a heart beat in an exchange for a ride lol. good luck with getting it going!

[grayguy]

I got a lot of stuff done this weekend, here's the picture worthy stuff:

IC Piping

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/10/ICpiping1-1.jpg

Hot Side

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/10/ICpiping2-1.jpg

Cold Side

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/10/ICpiping1-2.jpg

And the ECU and Wideband. It fit nicely into the stock ecu spot, with some minor adjustments of course.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/10/ECUs-1.jpg

I'm still shooting for Start up by this weekend, but we'll see how that goes.

[Reason]

What do you have left to do?

[sharky nrk]

wow just wow - awesome thread

it is definately not good for my desire to no spend money on the Leg but that looks so so tempting to try

[grayguy]

What do you have left to do?

I'm going to get my Stainless Steel Lines made today after class, those are for my Oil feed, Water feed, water return, and Power steering lines.

I need to get the Outlet housing back on the turbo.
I need to wire my Intake Air Temp Sensor.
I need to route the PCV Valve to the intake(I'll install another catch can here in the future
I need to route the Vaccum from the valve covers to the catch can/intake
I need to Wire the Boost Control Solenoid.
I need to find (or probably build a coolant expansion tank)
I need to Wire my gauges, and hook up the boost guage.
I need to do the intial setup of the ECU
I need to put Oil, coolant, and power steering fluid in.
I need some luck.

[grayguy]

It RUNS!!!

...it ran...

...it leaked oil all over my floor...

...back to the drawing board :( :( :(

[Wiscon_Mark]

What happened?

[grayguy]

it either needs an oil pump seal, or a front Crank seal. Since I already have the motor pulled apart again, I'm just gonna do both.

Oh, and also, autometer mechanical temp gauges blow. I've owned 2 in my life, and I've had 2 leak from the sensor. So, no more buying autometer mechanicals.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Yeah, mechanical guages are the devil! I cringe at the idea of bringing oil or coolant into the cabin willingly...

[grayguy]

It runs, and left my garage under it's own power for the 1st time ever tonight. There's some kinks to be ironed out, and LOTS of tuning to do, but it runs. As far as I can tell boost comes on at about 2500rpm's too...I'm happy.

[deadlydave]

It runs, and left my garage under it's own power for the 1st time ever tonight. There's some kinks to be ironed out, and LOTS of tuning to do, but it runs. As far as I can tell boost comes on at about 2500rpm's too...I'm happy.

That's awesome man! Big time congrats. :grin:

[Wiscon_Mark]

Hurry up and drive it down here :grin:

Congrats!

[StatGSR]

^psh u come up to us, u should be coming to the ice races too...

[Wiscon_Mark]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to do that this year...

I figure the ice tires and a ginormous swaybar will make ice racing fun :grin:

[StatGSR]

^ well heres the date and info.
http://mnsubaru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18977

the first one as u can see is pretty full, so u would have to see if u could get a "floor" spot in one of the cabins, probably wana avoid 1-2 since those are going to be the "party cabins". but if u wanted to do that i would gladly loan u my badass cot for u to sleep on. lmk, and if u wanted to crash at my place in duluth the night before or after u are welcome to it.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Thanks!

Now let's get back on topic :wink:

[Canuck 2.5GT]

Updates? :lol:

[grayguy]

updates...well, my BOV wasn't working properly, so I couldn't do any tuning. I think it may work now, but it's gotten so cold lately that the un-tuned car wont start. I've been trying to play with the fuel map but I can't get it to start. So the next step is to figure out the furnace in my garage so I can get the car warm...

[grayguy]

updates...well, my BOV wasn't working properly, so I couldn't do any tuning. I think it may work now, but it's gotten so cold lately that the un-tuned car wont start. I've been trying to play with the fuel map but I can't get it to start. So the next step is to figure out the furnace in my garage so I can get the car warm...

[grayguy]

I drove it! For the first time in 8 months, my legy went out on the Road under it's own power! Lots of tuning to be played with, but it's getting closer!

[chipLRX-SLI]

thisis sweet man i am in the process of doing the ej22/25 swap myself and need anytips you can possible give

[grayguy]

thisis sweet man i am in the process of doing the ej22/25 swap myself and need anytips you can possible give

ej22, or ej22t? Ask anything you have questions about, and I'll see if I can answer them.

Last night the car started when it was just above 0 F out, so that's a very big leap forward.

[2.5GT]

Update this thread w/ pictars!! :eek:

[chipLRX-SLI]

it is just a ej22 it has a open deck , my plan was to use ej35 heads and a set of wiesco pistons that cme with ej25crank and rods

[grayguy]

Update this thread w/ pictars!! :eek:

What do you want pictures of? BTW, if anyone ever wondered what happens when you put RS2.5 Drop springs in a BD, this is it. It's sitting about 4-5 inches lower than stock height...insanely badass, but too low. I'm going back to stock springs after X-max.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/
[/list]

[2.5GT]

any clear pics on the turbo area, underneath oil pan area? :eek:

and any clips of this beast? :grin:

[chipLRX-SLI]

owe so sexy . would rs2.5 drop springs work on a wagon as well

[deadlydave]

That's not too low. Your fender liners haven't been ground into a pulp yet! :smile:

[grayguy]

Well it's too low to drive around Duluth MN, that's for damn sure! Hopefully this summer I will get some AGX's and Prodrives, for this winter tho, its' going back to stock... I'll try to get some more detailed pics up soon.

[4n70n1n0]

Those springs are from a (GD)RS? or (GC)RS?

Congrats on the swap. Your legacy looks real nice and I can only imagine what kind of beast it is and how it handles.

[StatGSR]

^ they are aftermarket springs for a GC RS...

[what huh]

What made you decide to go with ej25 heads, b/c i have heard that it is worthless to do that. just curious

[AussieDan]

What made you decide to go with ej25 heads, b/c i have heard that it is worthless to do that. just curious
Where have you heard that? The ej25 dohc heads flow great, as well or better than usdm wrx heads.

[grayguy]

What made you decide to go with ej25 heads, b/c i have heard that it is worthless to do that. just curious

well idk where you got that info, but it's wrong. They are VERY good flowing heads. My friend with an EJ22T with a GT30r running about 22psi thinks that I'll be able to hang right with his car at 14-15 psi, just cause my heads are SO much better than his.

also, they happened to be the heads I had since m car started life with a 2.5 DOHC Phase 1

[grayguy]

So, my car developed rod knock...so...=

http://d-sce.com/g2/d/1376-1/DSC04219.JPG

[chipLRX-SLI]

owe rod nock bad :-( alcohol good :grin:

[Canuck 2.5GT]

Looking to throw a EJ22T in my LGT as well. Was the EJ22T/EJ25 hybrid a good setup as far as flowing enough?

[grayguy]

the ej22t/25 should flow very well. I'm not really sure yet though, I only made one good pull under boost (which was awesome BTW) before the motor started knocking. It would seem I need rod bearings, and hopefully nothing else was damaged. I'm gonna start the tear down as soon as I can, so we'll see....

[Canuck 2.5GT]

Oh man, I know how you feel. Rod Knock is quite possibly one of the worst sounds you can hear....so depressing. I remember when my RSTi did it back with the old Version 4 RA block.

Price wise, if you dont mind me asking, roughly how much did you spend so far with the short block + engine managment, all the other supporting mods etc... Would the price be compairable to swapping to USDM WRX? Reason I ask is I want to know if its worth the effort to build a hybrid when it is easier to just go straight usdm WRX everything (I know the block is not even in the same leauge as the 22t in terms of strength).

[grayguy]

Now that I've done it, if I could start over, I'd buy a totalled WRX and do that swap, possibly using my 22t short block. it would have been a lot easier and less time for sure. I honestly can't tell you want I have into this, I stopped paying attention cause it was depressing. I'd guess $5-8k.

For the time and money, I'd do the WRX swap, and then mod that.

[Ej22TIM]

any updates? how do you like the link? How much did you pay for it?
im lookin at gettin a link would you reccommend it?

[grayguy]

No updates. My garage doesn't have heat, so I've barely started to pull it apart.

Well I don't have anything to compare it to, but yes, I like the link. It's all relatively straight forward, and they also have a forum if you can't figure things out.

I spent the extra $90 to upgrade to a 5bar MAP sensor, so I Payed just under $1100 total. Yes, I would recommend it. You live in the cities, so you'd also have the benefit of being close to Piddy, and he knows tons about them. he's the reason I got one...

[grayguy]

So..updates....yeah...

Ok, basically this car pissed me off so much that I didn't even touch it again until August. I pulled the 22t, and put the 2.5 NA short block back in with intentions of running 8-9 psi and just driving it till it blew up or I could afford to build the 22t.

well, because the subaru gods hate me, I did all the work and spent the $$$ to put the stock shortblock in and I put it all back together and started it...and I have bad taping/knocking noises coming from my passenger side intake cam. AWESOME! And what's even better is one day when I was out trying to diagnose the issue, the car completely died. As in, it started and ran great (besides head noise) dependably, and then I shut it off and it never started again...just cranks cant cranks and never fires. At this point I say fuck this car, get busy with other projects, and haven't touched it cause I'm trying to get my 93' T-leg on the road for winter.

But, then I happened upon an awesome deal from a friend. I picked up his 22t with STi Rods and Wiescos, fully machined and ready to assemble, Plus I got his 93' T-leg rolling shell too. So, once the t-leg is up and running, the BD goes under the knife AGAIN, this time getting the built 22t, and I'll go back through the heads and make sure they are all fine....

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/11/DSC04313-1.jpg


And just cause I'm a dick and like to show off, here's my stack of ej22t's in my kitchen haha
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/11/DSC04318-1.jpg