What is your favorite sport

[Reason]

This was an discussion between friends and figured I see what the general direction is on this forum.

[JordanIsHere]

Where's F1 and WRC? You need an "all motorsports besides NASCAR" category!

[Reason]

I took a list of the most popular sports. Sports the have the highest ratings or gross the most in ticket sales, there's the list. I'll make a mediocre sport list, f1, rally cricket and badmitting :lol:

[subyluvr2212]

Out of the options given, I chose soccer. But I'm by no means an avid player or follower (haven't done either in years).

I'm still by no means a sports fan though. Am I opposed to exercise and good sportsmanship? Absolutely not. What I am opposed to is the capitalization and corporate greed that is now associated with most sports, because that's not the point.

I still prefer weightlifting over any other type of physical activity, though I haven't pumped iron in years. I would like to start back up again once I graduate from college and have time to do so.

[auspex]

i grew up playing basketball, soccer, baseball, football AND hockey....what can I say, I was a ridiculously hyper kid....and still prefer PLAYING baseball over any other sport.

As for watching goes...I can't watch baseball for more than 10mins w/out falling asleep. Unless, of course, it's October. College football's where it's at for visuals.

-mike

Nascar a sport? Isn't it just a fast paced desk job?

[Reason]

lol choose whatever guys. All I ask is what sport you like to/watch or play the most. ALL athletes are over paid. But these same athletes bring in revenue for the teams. But that's a whole different debate in a whole new thread.

My question is very simple, lets not make it difficult like any other question here :smile:

[Reason]

racing as a sport is ridiculous, I consider it more recreational or a hobby. It takes NO athletic ability to drive a car. But I won't get into that at this time.

I know what you mean. I pretty much rather play than watch any sport. I can watch gold for short periods but love hitting the driving range.

[subyluvr2212]

It takes NO athletic ability to drive a car.

Bite your tongue. Hard. But I won't get into that right now either. :lol:

[AJM]

Hockey for a sport to watch, live or on tv.

Baseball coming in a close second.

As far as my personal sport, I will forvever be a strength althlete.

[Reason]

It takes NO athletic ability to drive a car.

Bite your tongue. Hard. But I won't get into that right now either. :lol:

I stand by what I said. Stamina and discipline yes, athleticism no. Most people don't have it to be a driver but it can be acquired. Athletic ability is a natural skill that can be had.

A quick example, I'll break this down easily. Put Micheal Jordan behind a wheel for a year. He may not be the best driver but I'm sure after a year driving he would do just as good as any of us. Put Jeff Gordon in some shorts and hand him a rock. Do you think in a year he will be soaring across the free throw line tongue waving or banging 3 pointers from 23 feet away? I don't think so. I can give examples all day long.

[badbasser98]

A quick example, I'll break this down easily. Put Micheal Jordan behind a wheel for a year. He may not be the best driver but I'm sure after a year driving he would do just as good as any of us. Put Jeff Gordon in some shorts and hand him a rock. Do you think in a year he will be soaring across the free throw line tongue waving or banging 3 pointers from 23 feet away? I don't think so. I can give examples all day long.
:smt042 That was great :grin:

[Huffer]

However, hi-speed driving does require extraordinary eye-hand coordination and the ability to track multiple moving objects (also at widely varying speeds, some stationary), while also making decisions regarding the appropriate mechanical motions to make.

Similar to any bio-mechanical "sport" the only difference is the "athlete" is utilising an external motion-mechanism.

I think WRC drivers are the best on the planet, next to F1.

As for sports - I love rugby.

[Superu264]

:lol: Just saw the "I'm a fairy and cant handle sports" option


Baseball, no question. As much as I love [American] football its not in my heart like baseball is. And believe it or not Philadelphia is a great baseball town, its just that our team sucks balls and has only made the playoffs once in 24 years.

[dodik]

[quote="Huffer"]However, hi-speed driving does require extraordinary eye-hand coordination and the ability to track multiple moving objects (also at widely varying speeds, some stationary), while also making decisions regarding the appropriate mechanical motions to make.

you haven't been on FDR in a rush hour now have you???

[Wiscon_Mark]

If anyone votes NASCAR, I'll e-choke them.

[Huffer]

However, hi-speed driving does require extraordinary eye-hand coordination and the ability to track multiple moving objects (also at widely varying speeds, some stationary), while also making decisions regarding the appropriate mechanical motions to make.

you haven't been on FDR in a rush hour now have you???

What's FDR?

[dodik]

FDR is east side highway in manhattan

[Huffer]

Then, no, I haven't been on it. :neutral:

[Plays_with_Toys]

A quick example, I'll break this down easily. Put Micheal Jordan behind a wheel for a year. He may not be the best driver but I'm sure after a year driving he would do just as good as any of us. Put Jeff Gordon in some shorts and hand him a rock. Do you think in a year he will be soaring across the free throw line tongue waving or banging 3 pointers from 23 feet away? I don't think so. I can give examples all day long.

Ummm... your example is skewed. Put michael jordan behind the wheel for a year and yeah he'd probably be like any of us after a year (I don't believe that, because most athletes have a special talent of mental focus, but barring that, let's continue the example). Now, after that year, would michael be as good as the other great Michael, Michael Schumacher? No. Would jordan be able to scream through the hockenheim ring at several hundred miles per hour with perfect lines, not locking up the brakes or spinning out, and could he last an entire race behind the wheel of a car with no power steering? Probably not. And neither could we.

Compare apples to apples please. Obviously a race driver after a year of basketball training would not be as good as jordan, but he would have improved in those skills. Just the same a basketball player would be better at racing but not better than schumacher. Also, the fact that most basketball players can't soar past the free throw line or sink 3 pointers tells me that even those paid to train aren't nailing your goal.

By the way, I must be a fairy because sports are just meh. Why watch when you can do. I love to cycle, but watching it is boring as heck. I love rally (which I consider a sport, it takes strength, endurance, resistance to the elements, etc...) but I doubt I'll ever soar down a backroad at 90mph with someone telling me whats coming up.

[JordanIsHere]

racing as a sport is ridiculous, I consider it more recreational or a hobby. It takes NO athletic ability to drive a car.

Correction: NASCAR as a sport is ridiculous, and takes no athletic ability. I can think of a few NASCAR drivers that are physically just too damn fat to fit in the seat of an F1 car.

I think Formula one and WRC drivers are extremely athletic, just in different disciplines than most athletes. In addition to what Huffer stated, F1 cars can pull up to 5 G's through corners, and it is a tremendous strain to withstand for the distance of a race. There's a reason why Michael Schumacher was the highest paid athlete in the world during the peak of his career.

Also keep in mind that NASCAR is only popular in the US. Underwater basket weaving gets better ratings in the rest of the world. Formula one will probably never catch on here, mainly because of the time zone. Most people don't want to get up at 7 am to watch a race. But on a worldwide scope the ratings and ticket sales of Formula 1 absolutely trounce NASCAR.

I know you didn't want to discuss this, but you pushed one of my buttons so I had to get my say in!

[Huffer]

All I know is, when I drive 8hours straight @ avrge 65mph, I'm knackered. Props to any driver who can maintain 100mph+ for that length of time, even going around in a circle, and still get up the kahoonas to sit through a press conference deserves SOME credit.

All I ever got was a hard bed in a cheap hotel! and McDs for din-dins!

[badbasser98]

If anyone votes NASCAR, I'll e-choke them.
<= realizes its too late to change his vote :-?

:lol:

[Reason]

All I know is, when I drive 8hours straight @ avrge 65mph, I'm knackered. Props to any driver who can maintain 100mph+ for that length of time, even going around in a circle, and still get up the kahoonas to sit through a press conference deserves SOME credit.

All I ever got was a hard bed in a cheap hotel! and McDs for din-dins!

Yea no doubt props to anyone who can do that. But like I said, with proper training anyone can do that.

And Mr Young, you pushed your own buttons buddy. I'll be the first one to admit NASCAR not a sport. I can't stand it and anyone who says other. I put it down because the list I found it was listed, thats the only reason.

PS where is Lee taking you this evening? anywhere nice? :lol:

[Plays_with_Toys]

But like I said, with proper training anyone can do that.


still don't agree. Harkening back to my other post.

I remember them talking about how alot of racers (F1/lemans) experience more G-forces than astronauts, and we all know not everyone can be an astronaut because of the fact they can't handle the G's.

Nascar isn't a sport because it's not even racing. I don't think too much of drag racers either. "oooh go fast in a straight line" Fun to watch the cars, but not the drivers.

[Reason]

*sigh* It still doesn't take athletic ability. Because Frank can handle roller coaster than Timmy that makes him a better athlete? I doubt it. Racing any type of racing is a whole different "skill" vs athletic ability.

[Huffer]

Dunno - there's still a level of eye-hand coordination and decision making that goes on.

Just because you train a chess champion to drive a car doesn't mean he can do even a TSD rally - there are certain moves that need to be done quicker than others... but training a rally driver to play chess? That's "more" possible.

[Reason]

I would think training the body to move quicker or at a precise time would be easier than train the mind to do strategical "moves", some people just don't have the brain power. You practice those same moves over and over again you will get the turn eventually. Remember the hard jump on Level 8 on Super Mario brothers?? lol j/k

[Plays_with_Toys]

I would think training the body to move quicker or at a precise time would be easier than train the mind to do strategical "moves", some people just don't have the brain power. You practice those same moves over and over again you will get the turn eventually.

I think you just proved everyone else's point and weakened your argument. Having said that I agree. You shoot enough 3 pointers and run enough sprints and your body will learn those moves.

Really, the only sport that requires athleticism is soccer and ultimate frisbee. Period. Every other sport requires the exact same amount of athleticism which isn't much. Soccer and ultimate are the two true sports in that the athletes are always constantly running. Seriously. Name me one fat soccer player. I can name 10 football players now and a few basketball players to boot.

[/argument] :lol:

[JordanIsHere]

All I know is, when I drive 8hours straight @ avrge 65mph, I'm knackered. Props to any driver who can maintain 100mph+ for that length of time, even going around in a circle, and still get up the kahoonas to sit through a press conference deserves SOME credit.

All I ever got was a hard bed in a cheap hotel! and McDs for din-dins!

Yea no doubt props to anyone who can do that. But like I said, with proper training anyone can do that.

And Mr Young, you pushed your own buttons buddy. I'll be the first one to admit NASCAR not a sport. I can't stand it and anyone who says other. I put it down because the list I found it was listed, thats the only reason.

PS where is Lee taking you this evening? anywhere nice? :lol:

You're an asshat. That's all I've got at the moment :lol:

[Reason]

Everyone is trying to compare the 2. sports and motor sports are different. How am I weakening my argument? You can run all the sprints you want and I'll put money on you won't run a 4.2 -40. You can do all the calve excerices known to man and I doubt you could slam dunk. Spend hours a day every day for a few years and I doubt you could even have a .250 batting average in the MLB (I'm saying you in general). Can you train for a few years and be a great circle racer or rally driver?

[subyluvr2212]

Did you know that they measured the circumference of Juan Montoya's neck in both the off-season and when he was racing?

His neck increased in diameter 3 INCHES while he was racing, because it was dealing with the G-forces.

You indeed do not have a valid argument Reason, sorry to say. You say that a bit of training and Michael Jordan could drive as good as anyone else. Sure. But he's not gonna be near as good as someone who's been racing for 20 years. Now, if he had dedicated 20 years of his life to racing, he'd be a world-class racer, possibly right up there with Schumacher, if he was motivated enough. Likewise, if I trained hard enough, and worked out enough, and practiced enough for decades at soccer, I could be the next Beckham (and be banging Posh Spice :grin:).

Everything worth doing takes years of dedication. Give me another lifetime after this one, and I'll do something else besides cars, just as well.

[Reason]

It's funny how some of you try to argue the point. Driving takes skill I won't deny that, but it's not athletic ability, next please.

[Reason]

That's what I'm trying to say subyluvr2212. Give anyone 20 years in a car we will be good. It's different in like baseball, basketball, football and so on. I won't say you can't be a great soccer player if you had the years under your belt. You may have athletic ability. MOST people don't MOST (I say anyone) people can drive with the right training and years under the belt. How is this not making any sense?

[stanz]

this poll blows purely for having nascar in it lol. but i voted basketball for game one tonite! go lebron! 22 years old and in the finals. he looks and plays like a 30 year old already. a close second was hockey because the first west coast team in history the DUCKS won the Stanley last nite! GO DUCKS!!! congrats to the veteran Finn Selanne...14 years and he finally got one!

GO CAVS!

[Reason]

It's always good to see a country that lives hockey lose a championship to Americans lol

I'll take NASCAR off to make everyone happy.

[stanz]

It's always good to see a country that lives hockey lose a championship to Americans lol

I'll take NASCAR off to make everyone happy.

another canadien team stunted! they havent won since like 93 or somethin!!!

[JordanIsHere]

http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/15-06-05

Read that. Also, I feel strongly that climbing the ranks in motorsports does indeed take a large amount of natural ability. This is why we see guys in karting who never make it up to the next level. And guys like Olivier Panis, he was in F1 for 10 years and only managed one victory. And this is why we see guys like Alonso and Hamilton just breaking into the sport and dominating. It's not all about training, and it never really has been.

I know you aren't going to change your mind, but I figured I would inform others and keep this thread as balanced as possible.

[Reason]

subyluvr2212 said this racer's neck grew 3 inches during the race season, so he naturally has to be an athlete right? Since I went back to work after my motorcycle accident I gain about at least 10 lbs of muscle so I'm at 190 does that make me an athlete? I'm getting paid to do it, and I am in competition with other Ironworkers from my class.

[Reason]

http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/15-06-05

Read that. Also, I feel strongly that climbing the ranks in motorsports does indeed take a large amount of natural ability. This is why we see guys in karting who never make it up to the next level. And guys like Olivier Panis, he was in F1 for 10 years and only managed one victory. And this is why we see guys like Alonso and Hamilton just breaking into the sport and dominating. It's not all about training, and it never really has been.

I know you aren't going to change your mind, but I figured I would inform others and keep this thread as balanced as possible.

Climbing ranks in motor sports is a natural ability? Are you serious? What natural ability helps these guys climb the ranks.

[Huffer]

Really, the only sport that requires athleticism is soccer and ultimate frisbee. Period. Every other sport requires the exact same amount of athleticism which isn't much. Soccer and ultimate are the two true sports in that the athletes are always constantly running. Seriously. Name me one fat soccer player. I can name 10 football players now and a few basketball players to boot.

[/argument] :lol:

Oh SNAP, no you didn't!

So Samo Hung isn't an athlete? That fatty martial artist was trained in chinese operatic DANCE and then went to do stunt movies with Jackie Chan. He's been in more fights (real and fake) and that does take a decent amount of athleticism. He might not be able to dunk a ball or hit a home run but I guarantee he's not unathletic just because he's 200lbs and 5'4".

[Huffer]

Climbing ranks in motor sports is a natural ability? Are you serious? What natural ability helps these guys climb the ranks.

Big wangs.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Sorry Shane, you went a little too far with your argument. Some people will ALWAYS be better than others at driving. Hand-eye coordination and the ability to "feel" the car is something that might seem natural to us (we're enthusiasts) but some other people will never have. There is a natural ability to driving.

That doesn't make NASCAR a sport though :razz: :lol:

[auspex]

My dad used to fly f-16's....serious speeds, serious g's, ridiculous amounts of training/practice.

Is he an athlete? I love the guy, but I'm thinking: No

He's sitting on his keister, for god's sake! I understand there is strategy and competition of sorts involved, but I can't seem to think of anyone sitting down on the job as an athlete.

Motorsports are the same in my eyes.

[JordanIsHere]

http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/articles/15-06-05

Read that. Also, I feel strongly that climbing the ranks in motorsports does indeed take a large amount of natural ability. This is why we see guys in karting who never make it up to the next level. And guys like Olivier Panis, he was in F1 for 10 years and only managed one victory. And this is why we see guys like Alonso and Hamilton just breaking into the sport and dominating. It's not all about training, and it never really has been.

I know you aren't going to change your mind, but I figured I would inform others and keep this thread as balanced as possible.

Climbing ranks in motor sports is a natural ability? Are you serious? What natural ability helps these guys climb the ranks.

Yes I'm serious! Obviously there has to be some sort of natural skill involved! Why else would some guys not make it through the ranks? Because they don't feel like it?

If there is no natural ability involved, why wouldn't ANY athlete who wants to be rich go "train" for 10 years, be better than Michael Schumacher and make $60 million a year?

Some drivers are better than others. Amount of training has little to do with this. Natural ability is the only logical explination.

Well, besides big wangs.

[deadlydave]

I can't help but notice Lacrosse wasn't listed. Of course, lacrosse isn't really a sport, because it is war.

[Reason]

Sorry Shane, you went a little too far with your argument. Some people will ALWAYS be better than others at driving. Hand-eye coordination and the ability to "feel" the car is something that might seem natural to us (we're enthusiasts) but some other people will never have. There is a natural ability to driving.

That doesn't make NASCAR a sport though :razz: :lol:

Are you guys fucking retarded? Where did I say that racing involves no eye hand coordination?? I'm simply stating that physical and motorsports are two different things. Video games must be consider a sport since it involves eye hand coordination. Me typing this damn pointless response involves eye hand coordination.

[Plays_with_Toys]

Let me sum up my argument using yours.

Any given activity, given years of training and dedication can achieve "superior" results. Where you take that discipline is your own decision, but in no way could someone say after a year at some such activity (running, jumping, swimming, golfing, driving, etc...) could they be as good as the top in that certain field (running, jumping swimming, golfing, driving, etc...). Everyone has "natural athletic ability" if they are born with muscles and a spinal chord. Through your training you decide which of these muscles to strengthen. Lance Armstrong is legs and heart. Basketball is heart and legs too I imagine, power lifting is just about all muscles, but not much heart (because it is not very cardiovascular). Driving is mostly upper body and heart because of the endurance involved. Running is heart and legs.

I have a heart and muscles and a spine, but I don't see the point in most "sports". I could naturally train for any one sport, and given the right coaches, the right advice, the right nutrition I could just as well be successful with time in these activities. Most "athletes" are young because that's their peak physical condition; however, you can pick up a basketball at the age of 5, but there aren't a whole lot of people behind the wheel at that age, and the ones that are behind the wheel at a very young age are the ones at the top of the game (colin mcrae for example), just as the young ones who practice are often at the top of their game.... (ummm Carmello Anthony for lack of a better example).

[badbasser98]

*locks thread* oh wait, i'm not a mod anymore :razz:

[Reason]

The problem is you twist my words.

Your quote "Any given activity, given years of training and dedication can achieve "superior" results." -THIS IS FALSE

Reason be, Not everybody has athletic ability. It's not just being strong, quick, can jump high and endurance, it's all together how it is used. I been playing organized sports since I was 7, mostly football and baseball. I played football in 4 different levels, including semi pro. My father, 2 of my cousins and 4 of my uncles were football coaches. I grew up in this shit. I seen many type of people play. I seen guys that did not have to work for what they got. I seen guys want it so bad and never get to the level. NOT everyone has athletic ability trust me.

Your quote - "but in no way could someone say after a year at some such activity (running, jumping, swimming, golfing, driving, etc...)"

Not true, I also did not say that. I said most people with the training, hard work and discipline couldn't be top athletes, Key word is MOST.

I DID say that MOST people with the time and training could climb the "ranks" of any given motorsport.

Let me ask you this, I was a forklift operator before. Driving and all the controls and I had to push as much shit out on these trucks as fast as I could, why isn't that a sport? Because I don't wear a helmet and is not televised?

Motorsports is "sporty" due to the fact it's competition... that's it. Joe shmoe is fast than Frank fucker because his he maneuvered his car while sitting on his ass better than him. Motorsports is a hobby or recreation, no more.

I don't know what "abilities" you have so I can't say you can do what. Just because you have arms, legs and a cock means squat. That's plain and simple. Don't twist my words from my posts to try to argue a point. You like motorsports hooray, so do I, but it still takes NO athletic ability.

[legacy92ej22t]

Voted Football.

I like Hockey the best if it's live but on TV you just don't get the same feel for the game.

[Plays_with_Toys]

sport –noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

athletic–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.

from dictionary.com

:wink:

[Reason]

Voted Football.

I like Hockey the best if it's live but on TV you just don't get the same feel for the game.

I feel the same way. I used to go to hockey games with my grandfather when I was a kid. I watched a lot of game on TV with my uncle to back in the day. It is better in person, I feel the same way about baseball and basketball. Football on another hand I like on TV, I have TiVo so I can record and go back and watch a play as much as I wish. :twisted:

[Reason]

sport –noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

athletic–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.

from dictionary.com

:wink:

Good stuff, nothing about driving, thanks :wink:

[phi11]

GO TWINS!

[Plays_with_Toys]

sport –noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

athletic–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.

from dictionary.com

:wink:

[Reason]

[quote="Plays_with_Toys":3nkkuhqe]sport –noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

athletic–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.

from dictionary.com

:wink:[/quote:3nkkuhqe]

DRIVING is NOT an ATHLETIC activity. :roll:

[Wiscon_Mark]

Shane, you did imply that there was nothing special about anyone in the racing world, it was all practice. All I was saying is that this is false. People who are in the public eye because they are talented are there because they have lots of Natural Ability, and presumably didn't waste it - they got to the top by working hard.

I would bet that many serious drivers have a strict training regimen (not everyone though, and Nascar seems to be less so) so they keep in shape, and have the ability to make it through a race without tiring. You get tired, you can make terrible mistakes. Does that mean drivers are athletes? Maybe. They certainly have to have stamina.

Does it make them the same kind of athlete as a basketball player? No. But A basketball player is a different kind of athlete than a baseball player. Does it make them any better or worse? No, not really. It all depends on the person's point of view.

IMO, Nascar is not a sport and shouldn't be shown on ESPN, except maybe ESNews. It's extremely boring to watch, and not really a great show of Athletic ability or talent as it all comes down to THE CAR. Whomever does well does so at the car's mercy - if it's reliable, they have a shot. If it's not, they may be out. There's some strategy in blocking and such, but the sport is so based on luck (whoever doesn't blow a tire, engine, whatever) and starting position. I honestly never saw how the race was really very fair or talent based. Granted, there's a reason the same drivers do so well (great team, great car, good focus, good driving) BUT it still doesn't do much for me.

That's just my .02. I think it's reasonable, but people don't have to (and won't) all agree with it. I just change the channel when they put Nascar stuff on, problem solved. ESPN loses my viewership, and their ratings fall just a little. There are plenty of other people to boost it though, it's such a fast growing....event...

Potato, potato (pronounce it differently smartasses). Athletic, athletic.

[Reason]

You still aren't getting what I'm saying. I don't know where I said "sport drivers" are any worse than athletes. I just said they aren't, and Dan and Webster cleared that up even more. I also don't know why you are on this NASCAR tip, wtf are you talking about, I think that's the worse "racing" out there.

Yes a baseball player is different from a basketball player is different from a football player, but they are all in the same "class" Look at them as vegetables. You got your potatoes, carrots, peas and so on. Then you have Motorsports, the tomatoes of the mix. People think it's a vegetable but in fact it's a fruit.

There's your motorsports, I'm not saying it's any less of a "sport" I'm just saying THEY ARE NOT ATHLETS.

[Huffer]

What about the athletic training that motorsports drivers do to prepare for the races?

Does that make them an athlete or just an physically-obsessed videogame player?

[Reason]

That's how I see it, the only "training" they do it driving the car., not much athletic training there now is it?

I also said the same thing about video games, whats the difference, the car moves? how bout a simulator?

[Wiscon_Mark]

You still aren't getting what I'm saying. I don't know where I said "sport drivers" are any worse than athletes. I just said they aren't, and Dan and Webster cleared that up even more. I also don't know why you are on this NASCAR tip, wtf are you talking about, I think that's the worse "racing" out there.

1. I know exactly what you said. And nowhere did I claim you said they are worse than athletes.

2. Why am I on this Nascar 'tip'? Because Nascar IS the automotive event that's always under such hot debate, and the one that gets ESPN attention. Most of the arguments aren't about Rally Drivers, or F1, they're about Nascar. I agree, I think it's one of the lower forms of racing. I don't know how you didn't get that from my post.

I took a very netural post and pointed out that the view is going to be different for everyone, and that's OK. I don't know how you can make it out like I'm trying to argue with everyone. I think you're so wound up in the argument that you're reading way too much into people's posts and twisting their words.

Maybe it's time for a lock?

[Reason]

Trust me, it's my words being twisted. I took your NASCAR comments like I was trying to depend it or something. Lower class call it what you will, it's in motorsports, deal with it.

Theres no need for a lock, this is an off topic subject that is of topic. A bunch of guys arguing about sports (everyday life). If you don't like how this thread is going simply don't read it anymore.

[Huffer]

I still reckon motorsports drivers are athletes in some respect.

Much like a disabled wheelchair basketballer - they may only be sitting but their brains and limbs are still moving toward achieving a goal specified within the rules of a said competition.

It might not take much "traditional" Olympian/Greek/Roman athletic ability to do it, but the mental discipline it takes is more than what the average person deals with on a day to day basis.

I doubt that even if I received 10years of driver training would I have the patience to draft behind someone for 50laps of Monaco before waiting for a 1/10th sec gap to shoot the chicane.

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I'll go along with that Roger. Motorsport drivers are the handicapped athletes in the sports world :lol:

[Huffer]

Correction - in the TRADITIONAL sports world. ;)