BD/BGs?

[Apple]

k guys as some of you already know I just started here at Sl-i but I'm a complete and utter beginner at this car thing...mechanical and cosmetic.

Like what engine do I have and stuff I can look up but what is the difference between a BD and a BG legacy. Is there a website out there for this? or maybe a thread lol. I own three subs but heck if I know at all what to do with them.

-Clueless- lol

[Superu264]

BD is the 95-99 Legacy SEDAN
BG is the 95-99 Legacy WAGON

http://www.cars101.com/subaru_legacy_archive98_99.html

[ivwarrior]

Ok, I'll beat Mark to the correction.

BD=95-99 Legacy Sedan
BG=95-99 Legacy Outback Wagon (raised roof)
BK=95-99 Legacy Wagon

[deadlydave]

These are the chassis codes. If you look at the VIN for your car, you can see them buried in there.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Okay guys, I'm a little worried that you didn't link or at least mention SLI101, our wonderful section that contains all this information.


Ok, I'll beat Mark to the correction.

BD=95-99 Legacy Sedan
BG=96-99 Legacy Outback Wagon (raised roof)
BK=95-99 Legacy Wagon

And I have to correction you again, *sigh* :lol:

[Plays_with_Toys]

And I have to correct you again, *sigh* :lol:

hey me too.

[Sarra]

Did the 1996 Outback have the 2.5, or was it a 2.2?

[deadlydave]

Did the 1996 Outback have the 2.5, or was it a 2.2?

EDIT: It's not the 2.2, I had a brain fart. It's the 2.5. Thanks for the alert mark.

[ivwarrior]

Okay guys, I'm a little worried that you didn't link or at least mention SLI101, our wonderful section that contains all this information.


Ok, I'll beat Mark to the correction.

BD=95-99 Legacy Sedan
BG=96-99 Legacy Outback Wagon (raised roof)
BK=95-99 Legacy Wagon

And I have to correction you again, *sigh* :lol:

I did a copy/paste from YOUR post in the other forum for those dates, Mark.

[Wiscon_Mark]

I did a copy/paste from YOUR post in the other forum for those dates, Mark.

Actually, you attempted to clarify it, and changed the meaning slightly. No harm done, really, I was just kidding around.

I wrote 95-99 because there were raised roof wagons in Japan throughout the model years, although then I'd have to write 94-98...this whole international thing can get pretty complicated...eck.



Did the 1996 Outback have the 2.5, or was it a 2.2?

2.2.

uh, no, it's an EJ25.

[deadlydave]

oops, yea, mark's right. I was a zombie this morning, thanks for the save. post edited.

[Sarra]

That's what I thought (2.5 liter).

[Matt S.]

1996 5spd Outbacks had the 2.2, only the autos in 96 had the 2.5

1997 the 2.2 was no longer offered in the Outback.

-Matt

[peugoby]

1996 5spd Outbacks had the 2.2
-Matt

Are you sure about that? I've never ever heard that before.

[Matt S.]

Are you sure about that?

Positive.

That is also why the GT in 1996 was not offered with a 5spd(which didn't sit well with dealers).

No 5spd 2.5 combos anywhere in the line up for 1996.

FWIW, I believe the first year the Impreza was offered with the 2.2(95 or 96), they did the same thing.

[Wiscon_Mark]

The same thing? The Impreza didn't get an EJ25 until 1998, and that was RS only. I'm not sure what you mean. You mean the EJ18 in 95/96 was 4EAT?

And I really hadn't heard that either. Subyluvr, you're the Subaru geek, what do you think? :lol:

[Matt S.]

The same thing? The Impreza didn't get an EJ25 until 1998, and that was RS only. I'm not sure what you mean

I said:


FWIW, I believe the first year the Impreza was offered with the 2.2(95 or 96), they did the same thing.

When the 2.2 came out in the Impreza, I was thinking it may also have only been offered in the auto the first year, but that's a loooong time ago and my memory is slipping.

But the Outback 2.2/2.5 thing I am sure of. I'll find it somewhere and post it for those interested.

[Sarra]

Speaking of the EJ18, anyone know where I can get a complete long block for cheap? :lol:

What is it with Subaru and the 4EAT? The SVX only had the 4EAT, the 3 liter outbacks only come with 4EAT, and if what Matt S. is saying is true... Blah.

[Matt S.]

And for what it's worth, the 83-84 GL Turbo Coupe and Wagon were only offered in automatics :razz:

Here we are, from cars101.com:

1995: The first Outback is a 1995 Legacy L wagon with special trim. This 1995 model is not the Outback as we know it.

1996: First year for the 'real' Outback. Also first year for the 2.5L engine, which in '96 runs on premium fuel and is only available with an automatic transmssion. The manual uses the 2.2L engine and has the hill holder clutch.

1997: the Limited Outback was introduced. A sedan version, the Outback SUS (short for 'Sport Utility Sedan') was available in very small numbers in the New England area only. The 2.5L engine is tweaked for 1997 and has 10 more hp than the '96 plus runs on regular fuel, not premium. The manual tranmission now uses the 2.5L engine and the hill-holder clutch is discontinued. New separate door lock switch. All models have a non-functional 'hood scoop', it's just for looks.

Manual transmission:
2.2 liter, 135 hp, sequential multi-port fuel injected, single overhead cam boxer engine with Hill-holder clutch
economy: 23 city, 30 highway regular unleaded fuel recommended
15.9 gal. fuel tank
30,000 mile tune up spark plug change interval, 60,000 timing belt replacement

Automatic transmission:
2.5 Liter 155 hp, dual overhead cam, sequential multi-port fuel injected engine (new for 1996)
economy: 21 city, 26 highway, Premium unleaded fuel recommended
15.9 gal fuel tank
Towing capacity - 2000#
30,000 mile tune up
60,000 timing belt replacement and spark plug change interval


Also from cars101.com, here is the info on the Impreza(Just so no one thinks the "noob" is nuts)

In 1995 the Impreza came in a wide array of models: base Impreza, L, 2.2L, LX, and Outback.
1995 is the first year for the Outback version of the Sport Wagon and also for the 2.2L engine to be used in the Impreza line.
There were two engines used in the 1995 impreza, the 1.8L and the 2.2L.


Impreza base model: coupe and sedan FWD (front wheel drive) or AWD
L model: coupe, sedan and sport wagon with 'active safety group' (AWD and anti-lock brakes with 4 wheel discs)
2.2L AWD model: coupe, sedan and sport wagon
LX 2.2L AWD model: coupe, sedan, sport wagon
Outback Sport wagon

The all new 1995 Outback Sport Wagon was a L Sport Wagon with the 'active safety group' plus special two-tone paint, Outback woven cloth seat material, raised white letter tires, cargo tray in the rear, roof rack, mud flaps, floor mats, and the Outback logos and graphics. The ground clearance was 6.3", the same as the L Sport Wagon.

As did all 1995 Imprezas, the Outback Sport came with either the 1.8L engine and manual trans, or the 2.2L engine and automatic transmission.
Engines: 4 cyl. boxer, sequential multi-port fuel injected, distributorless ignition

1.8L: 110 hp, 110 torque@4400rpm
2.2L: 135 hp, 140 torque@4400rpm

Manual transmission available with 1.8L engines. The only 1.8L with auto. trans was on the base Impreza model
Automatic transmission available only with the 2.2 L engines. There were no 2.2L with manual. trans.


Woo Hoo, two for two :wink:

[deadlydave]

Interesting. Thanks for the info. :smile:

I didn't realize the 'hill holder' was part of the clutch. In my haine's repair manual it looked like a part of the braking system.

Also, if the 2.2 was offered in the outback in '96, did it have a scoop? I've never seen a 96-99 outback without one.

[Wiscon_Mark]

I don't think any of the 96s had scoops, actually. An interesting point to note. Hell, if the 96 outback had the 2.2L, I want to get one!

Also, on the hill holder: The braking system is actually what holds the car in place, but the clutch is what activates it. You can't set the hill holder without having the clutch in. That's why the new Subarus with the hydraulic clutch system don't have a hill holder, only the cable clutch Subarus.

[deadlydave]

That must be why I roll like a noob in the baja-t on the hills. I was wondering about that.

[Matt S.]

Actually they still had the hill-holder for a while, at least on the Foresters, I believe they still do, even the Turbo's.

http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/Spr03/HillHolder/HillHolderHeader.jpg



Many drivers prefer the fuel efficiency and fuller control of a manual transmission in their vehicle. Driving with a manual transmission on hilly terrain can present challenges, though. Some drivers struggle to simultaneously work the clutch, brake and accelerator pedals to prevent rolling back after stopping on a steep hill.

Subaru has a solution for this challenging situation. 2003 Forester models with manual transmissions feature a unique device called the Hill-Holder™ System. Remarkable in its simplicity, this easy-to-use mechanism enables drivers to start the vehicle smoothly on uphill grades. It’s not an add-on accessory; it’s designed into the vehicle’s braking system, and cannot be retrofitted to earlier models.

When you stop on a hill, you fully depress the clutch pedal and brake pedal. As long as you keep the clutch fully depressed, braking force is retained by the Hill-Holder System, and you can remove your right foot from the brake pedal without fear of the vehicle rolling backward. When it’s time to go, your right foot will be free to depress the accelerator pedal as you pull away. As you gradually release the clutch, the brakes release automatically.

For a firsthand demonstration of a Hill-Holder-equipped Subaru, visit your authorized Subaru dealer. To request a full-color brochure on any Subaru model, call (800) WANT-AWD [(800) 926-8293].

http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/Spr03/HillHolder/PressureHoldValve.gif



Inside the System

The Hill-Holder System operates within the braking system of the vehicle. As you travel on a flat road or a downhill grade, a ball remains at the front of the system’s Pressure Hold Valve, and the valve remains open. When you stop on an uphill grade and depress both the clutch and brake pedals, the ball rolls to the rear of the Pressure Hold Valve, sealing the opening. The closed valve maintains hydraulic braking pressure even after the brake pedal is released.

http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/Spr03/HillHolder/Inactive.gif
http://www.mypersonaldrive.com/Spr03/HillHolder/Active.gif










The Impreza got something that I think is new for '08:

Incline Start Assist, manual only. Uses VDC to activate brakes and help hold the car from rolling backwards. Similar to the old Hill Holder

[deadlydave]

I'm pretty sure I've got the hydraulic clutch, and I know the baja turbo, at least mine, does not have the hill holder.

It is a good idea though, for the noobs like me.

[peugoby]

Wow that is an interesting piece of info on the '96 OB's. Thanks for shedding some light on that Matt S.!

Oh ya hill holder is ftw, love mine!

[Bimmerman]

Hill holder is only a BD-generation thing, at least for Legacys. Family has an 07 Outback 2.5i and 04 Outback, both 5spds, and neither have hill holder. My 95 Leggy does tho.

[Matt S.]

Hill holder is only a BD-generation thing, at least for Legacys.

Correct.

Foresters had them and still have them though with the hydraulic clutch.

[Wiscon_Mark]

I don't think the BC/BJ Legacys were excluded from the hill holder...