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Benfolio
04-26-2008, 01:34 AM
Read about it, used some info from the MSD coil write-up, and came up with this cheap and quite easy mod since my stock coil was on it's way out anyways.

The car: USDM 1997 Legacy 2.5GT Phase I 2.5L

The coil: eBay coil from a 2000 Neon. Any '95-2000 will work, but as it's been said the flat pin newer style coil is better because it will STAY plugged in better, has a lock, and with a newer coil you have a better chance of it having lower miles, or whatever. Got mine off eBay for $27 shipped, including the connector and plug wires, which you WILL NEED if you don't want to spend the money on new wires.
The connector you will need on any car, on a Phase I motor you will need the Neon's wires to convert your own or a set of Phase II ('98-'99) wires. If you have a Phase II, congrats, you can skip the next few steps
after taking off the wires.

First thing I did was label the wires by cylinder. Front passenger is cyl 1, rear passenger is cyl 3, front driver's is cyl 2, rear driver's is cyl 4.

Take off the plug wires, and for you Phase I owners that want to reuse your old wires, pull off the boots on the coil end. Easiest way to so this is spray some lube or oil in there, ESPECIALLY on the Neon boots, since they are angled and that connector is gonna be a PITA to get out of the boot.
Step two is take off the Neon's boots.
Once you get them off you'll see how the connector ends are crimped to the wires, and how the lead in the center of the plug wire is bent back along the wire to contact the connector.
Pry apart the crimps and take off the ends on both wire sets. Swap Neon ends onto Subaru wires, re-crimp TIGHTLY, and slide on the Neon's boots, again using lube if needed. I choose to silicone the ends of the boots on, since the Subaru wires are like this from the factory, plus I tore one because I didn't use lube. Whoops.

Okay, now you got your wire set!

Step two (or one for then Phase II motors) is replace the Subaru coil with the Neon coil. Unplug the connector from the engine harness and remove the 4 10mm bolts holding it to the intake.
Cut the connector on the stock coil about halfway down (or whatever you feel comfortable with, I left enough in case it didn't work and I had to re-wire my stock coil to get home).
Cut the Neon coil connector to a good length for splicing.
Now you're ready to splice! I used a quality butt connector with heat shrink tubing, I don't recommend just twisting them together.

The blue wire from the Subaru coil connector goes to the blue connector on the Neon coil. Red to green, and yellow to black. I crossed my fingers when I did it but it was right the first time, thanks to a hint in the MSD topic.

Subaru end
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/04/coil4-1.jpg

Neon end
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/04/coil3-1.jpg

Next is option for asthetic reasons, but there is always easier ways to attach the coil to your intake...

The Neon coil WILL NOT BOLT to your manifold, save for ONE bolt. And that bolt has to be LONGER than the stock bolts. The size is an M6X1.0X45MM metric bolt. You can hold the coil on by one bolt if you wish, I used one bolt and a couple zip ties for a few days, then fabbed a plate to mount the coil properly. I used a scrap peice of aluminum, and bolted the coil to the plate using the 45MM long bolts and nuts underneath the plate and drilled three holes to mount it to the manifold with three SHORT bolts (M6X1.0X10MM).
If positioned properly the coil will clear everything, and the nuts under the plate will clear everything, especially that little round nub on the manifold near the upper right corner, but just barely. You can always enlarge the holes to move the plate exactly where you need it.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/04/coil1-1.jpg

Plug everything in and start her up!

If you placed the coil like shown in the the pic, cylinder 1 goes to 4 on the coil, 3 goes to 3, 2 goes to 1, and 4 goes to 2. Confusing, I know.

But it worked! Started right up (seemed to crank a little longer than normal), and OMG the idle has smoothed out so much!
Can't tell if there's more power, and haven't filled it with gas yet to do a mileage check (have a full tank), but the smoother idle is worth every penny and the hour it took to do it.

Plus my misfire is gone!

P.S.
If I skipped anything let me know, it's 12:30 at night now and I got to be up at 6 for work. I'll make any adustments anyone can point out.

Plays_with_Toys
04-26-2008, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the write up!

I will add my $.02, the crimped ends on the sparkplug wires are kind of crucial. When I took off the neon crimped ends, they were a huge pain in the butt to get off, and then wouldn't crimp on that well. NAPA sells the crimp on ends for $1 a piece (roughly). I can't remember the part number, but searching on their website will yield it.

Beyond that, the coil pack fit on my car with the two upper bolts, though the coil pack is longer and taller, so the bottom bolt holes don't line up, and yes, I did have to purchase longer bolts.

4n70n1n0
07-25-2008, 02:26 PM
I was wondering what is the advantage of this coil pack ?

Plays_with_Toys
07-27-2008, 01:03 PM
The stock unit puts out 28,000 volts, and the neon pack puts out 34,000v

MCarp22
07-27-2008, 03:59 PM
If you use PT Cruiser or SRT-4 terminal ends, you get a straight terminal instead of the 90 degree guy.

http://www.modernperformance.com/images/DSC_1583.JPG

Also, accel makes a coil now that is cheaper than the MSD coil.

Jedi Taxi
07-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Looks like a good DIY. nice to see someone do it to a 2.5L.

I figured it would require a plate to properly install. still, good times! nice to hear that it fixed something. Mabye I should test out that accel coil. Might have shocking results. (har har)

mabye you should sell a convertion kit for the lazy guys who don't like the self develpment thing.

AJM
07-28-2008, 12:36 AM
95-96 2.2's don't need an adapter plate.

Any 98-99 Subaru wire set should work just fine for anyone doing one of these swaps.

Grafton
07-28-2008, 11:11 AM
95-96 2.2's don't need an adapter plate.

Any 98-99 Subaru wire set should work just fine for anyone doing one of these swaps.

what about 97?

Jedi Taxi
07-28-2008, 07:43 PM
Nah, 97's need an adapter plate, like the one benfolio made.

rad rex
07-29-2008, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the info on the adapter plate, looks like I didn't waste my 26.50 after all. So here's the stupid question, why do you need phase two wires? The phase one wires should just plug into the Neon coil.

emsalex
01-04-2011, 06:11 PM
just used this thread to get 6,000 more volts into my 2.5 thought it needed a 3 year bump!!


dig dig dig

prodriver1
02-07-2011, 03:23 PM
on my way to the junk yard to get the parts:) more juice for the ru :smt023

mike-tracy
02-07-2011, 03:28 PM
I did this to my 98 Impreza 2.2L and didn't notice any difference.

subleg69
02-08-2011, 11:34 AM
can this be done to a 03 2.5?

Reason
02-08-2011, 12:21 PM
I did this to my 98 Impreza 2.2L and didn't notice any difference.

Really? I HAD better idle, but now my wires are shot and my fuel senders are failing.

prodriver1
02-08-2011, 01:24 PM
I did this to my 98 Impreza 2.2L and didn't notice any difference.

Really? I HAD better idle, but now my wires are shot and my fuel senders are failing.
need parts? I have new wires and the GT parts car still has all fuel related parts accept the fuller pipe.

Reason
02-08-2011, 01:30 PM
I ordered new senders from subaru last week and about to place an order for a walbro fuel pump for shits and giggles.

bulldozer24
02-08-2011, 03:26 PM
After i did the neon coil pack my idle is all the way down to 650-700 rpm and it has smoothed out the acceleration.

emsalex
02-09-2011, 02:30 PM
i got a smooth idle, and i like to pretend i have more power,

jey
02-09-2011, 10:00 PM
I wonder if some of the observed improvement is just from "upgrading" from a worn-out coil pack. I changed mine out for a brand new one for the dealer and observed smoother idle and performance overall too.

anothernord
02-09-2011, 10:14 PM
I upgraded from the OEM Neon pack to an OBX aftermarket coil pack for the Neon, which is supposed to compare with the MSD in terms of voltage. There wasn't a huge difference from Neon to OBX, but in the process I switched to the flat pin terminals, which are FAR superior to the round ones, and got the peace of mind that a used Neon pack won't crap out on me.

prodriver1
01-03-2012, 12:16 PM
did this and got massive misfire! are you sure u got the cylinders #'ed correctly??if 1goes to 4 and 2 goes to 1 then how does 3 go to 3 and 4 to 2?? that would mean you need to cross the back 2 wires ?? wtf?

bulldozer24
01-03-2012, 12:59 PM
swap your outside wires

prodriver1
01-03-2012, 01:16 PM
swap your outside wires
:smt017 huh?

Reason
01-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Post pics of the wires,

bulldozer24
01-03-2012, 03:24 PM
swap your outside wires
:smt017 huh?

the wire harness that you spliced your factory wires into which plugs into the coil pack, swap the two outside wires with each other.

prodriver1
01-03-2012, 07:58 PM
swap your outside wires
:smt017 huh?

the wire harness that you spliced your factory wires into which plugs into the coil pack, swap the two outside wires with each other.
ooohhhh
blue and orange, and black and white are the two wires on the outside of the 3 wires on the neon plug, swap those, ok.

nikolaus.conrad
03-28-2012, 02:01 PM
Bump for cheap upgrades! I just did this to my car and I have noticed an improvement. The acceleration is much smoother, solid, and has a bit more power, I'm going on a small trip later today and I'll look for any improvements. I'm also driving the '96 25D with an automatic if that makes any difference.

Muse
07-16-2012, 04:57 PM
With the longer bolts issue, are the ones on the Neon long enough, or will I have to buy new ones? I can do this for free, as I am about to junk my old Neon as soon as I put my Legacy on the road.

nikolaus.conrad
07-16-2012, 05:23 PM
Use two bolts from the neon coil pack, the threads are the same.