Hella Supertones or Whiteline rear sway bar?

[Payback45]

Sunday is my birthday and the B-day cards are filled with money and I want to buy something for my car. I have enough to buy a rear sway bar from whiteline (BSR12XZ) or the Hella Supertone Kit. Cant buy both which is the dilemma.

On the one hand the sway bar is an easy instal.
On the other hand it is more expensive. $174

On the other hand the Hella is only $64 and I would have cash left over.
The only problem is the instal. I am a Ubernoob when it comes to electrical stuff.

So I am torn between the two.

An advice?

[jg09]

Go with the sway bar. You'll be happy that you did, trust me.

[Airgne]

sway bar, but the hella's are easy as hell to install.

[Huffer]

Swaybar. More bang for buck.

[peugoby]

Swaybar. More bang for buck.

x2. For the money, you're going to enjoy the sway bar a lot more.

[Payback45]

So with the sway bar what will i feel that will be so great?

[Huffer]

I can't believe you'd ask that question. If you didn't know, why would you even contemplate getting one?

The Whiteline RSB will reduce your car's body roll dramatically - Hella supertones will just make a bunch of noise.

[Payback45]

Because I haven't had one before and I have no idea what the difference will be. that is why I ask. I guess I should know how it will feel before i buy it?

[99SUS SFD]

So why do you even want to get one?

[Payback45]

why not? Why do any of us modify our cars? better looks and performance. Am I wrong?

I didn't think I would get so much crap for asking about a sway bar.

[winston856]

Hellas are hella easy to install.

Tell you what, I"ll give you my hellas and you buy me a WL sway :grin:

[Payback45]

I think I will pass on that deal

[warrior]

Dude, get the rear sway bar.. I ordered the adjustable street one but they didn't have any shipped me the adjustable race one.. right now it's at I think 22mm and wow.. the back end is so tight and doing doughnuts in the snow is yeppppy!

Add some whiteline control springs and kyb gr-2s and you're suspension is top notch. Now i need some solid endlinks and a front sway bar :twisted:

[Payback45]

I have the H&R, KYB set up installed. Will I need to upgrade end links or anything else?

[rougeben83]

I have the H&R, KYB set up installed. Will I need to upgrade end links or anything else?

For the rears, not really. Unless youre one of the unfortunate ones that ends up getting some clunking with the rear bar...but I haven't heard of the WL bar doing that, only the IPD ones (which unfortunately I have).

[Payback45]

SpeedElement over at NASIOC told me this;

"Id recommend them. The stock ones are weak and flex with larger bars.

KLC26 rear endlinks are $118 shipped".

So what should I believe?

Has anyone ever had any problems with the stock Endlinks with the WL bar?

[jg09]

Because I haven't had one before and I have no idea what the difference will be. that is why I ask. I guess I should know how it will feel before i buy it?

Long story short: Less sway, more even weight over the tires, faster, more planted cornering.

[Payback45]

That is awesome. I hope it feels great.

[jg09]

That is awesome. I hope it feels great.

Cough...cough...That's what she said...

Seriously, though, most people who buy Legacys (or at least Outbacks) get at least a new rear anti-sway bar for their first mod. Many get front and rear with awesome results. The anti-sway bars are the Legacy's downfall.

I built 3/4" anti-sway bars for my old Camry after I retired it to a beater rally car. It's amazing.

[Huffer]

You don't need upgrade endlinks unless you plan on seriously abusing it.
Donuts in the snow isn't abuse.

[Payback45]

More than likely I will be just driving it around town. A grocery getter. I am not into auto X or anything like that. i just want a little more control.

Looks like I will be going with the sway bar.

Also I should have mentioned earlier that i also have front and rear strut bars. If that matters.

[99SUS SFD]

why not? Why do any of us modify our cars? better looks and performance. Am I wrong?

I didn't think I would get so much crap for asking about a sway bar.

I dunno, I just wouldn't get into purchasing a part without knowing what it will do/supposed to do before purchasing it.

[Reason]

You can have fun with a sway bar. You dont need to auto x. What the hell can you do with a horn? Didn't your mama till you not to toot your own horn?

[Payback45]

why not? Why do any of us modify our cars? better looks and performance. Am I wrong?

I didn't think I would get so much crap for asking about a sway bar.

I dunno, I just wouldn't get into purchasing a part without knowing what it will do/supposed to do before purchasing it.

Well that is why I am asking questions here about what it will do to the car. I am trying to educate my self on the sway bar.

[HeresMyMind]

go with the strut bar. I'd go with the horns just cause i tend to use mine daily

-B

[Payback45]

I will more than likely be getting the sway bar. I guess I have been swayed.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Definitely sway bar. I'm really happy with my IPD bar/endlinks package.

[Reason]

go with the strut bar. I'd go with the horns just cause i tend to use mine daily

-B

Spoken like a true ricer :lol: :wink:

[HeresMyMind]

go with the strut bar. I'd go with the horns just cause i tend to use mine daily

-B

Spoken like a true ricer :lol: :wink:

no, i just run into lots of deer on the back roads where i live so I'd like a horn that doesnt sound like a sick clown car

-B

[Supdood]

Sway bar all the way.
Anyone wanna hook me up with links to the swaybar/lowering springs? I'm horrible with Google

[HeresMyMind]

www.boxer4racing.com (http://www.boxer4racing.com)

-B

[Colorado_Outback]

That is awesome. I hope it feels great.

Cough...cough...That's what she said...

HAHAHA... Classic.

[Payback45]

So is the consensus of the group that I dont need new end links and the guy on NASIOC is just trying to get me to buy more stuff?

[Reason]

I would get new endlinks. What's the point of a new beefy bar if you have the cheap flexible plastic endlinks?

[Payback45]

what endlinks would you recommend?

[rougeben83]

I would get new endlinks. What's the point of a new beefy bar if you have the cheap flexible plastic endlinks?

The BE rear endlinks are not plastic, they're sealed, heim jointed steel units like on the STi.

And the only cases I've heard of these kinds of endlinks breaking (more likely the heim joint with the bolt will pop out of its socket) is either you tweak the car's suspension (ie accident) or you run a really big bar. 22mm is not a big bar at all. I'm talking about 27-29mm autox units that some sti's run.

In your case, the only reason why I would buy new endlinks is if you get the clunking issue.

[Payback45]

Well some say get new endlinks and some say dont. After looking at the prices for new ones I think I will wait. If my links fall apart I will have to have a new pair rushed to me damn the expense!

I dont plan on running the car hard I just want a bit more control in my turns.

[jg09]

I just want a bit more control in my turns.

Hmmm...that's too bad, since the new rear anti-sway bars will give you TONS of control compared to what you have now. :lol:

Just be prepared to re-learn how to drive the car after you get them.

[rougeben83]

Well some say get new endlinks and some say dont. After looking at the prices for new ones I think I will wait. If my links fall apart I will have to have a new pair rushed to me damn the expense!

I dont plan on running the car hard I just want a bit more control in my turns.

Are you deciding by committee now? It's your car. Just pick the one that feels right in your gut and live with that.

[phi11]

I can't believe you'd ask that question. If you didn't know, why would you even contemplate getting one?

The Whiteline RSB will reduce your car's body roll dramatically - Hella supertones will just make a bunch of noise.

the hellas have saved me many times from an accident.
not just noise.

[jg09]

I just think it's kind of funny that people jumped on him and gave him shit for asking about what anti-sway bars will do for his car.

[Reason]

I just think it's kind of funny that people jumped on him and gave him shit for asking about what anti-sway bars will do for his car.

Agreed, to many forget what a forum is for. This is a place to learn about your car, it's not a pissing contest or NASIOC.

[Payback45]

Well I didn't think I was in the wrong for asking questions. So thanks for seeing my side.

Is the sway bar really going to be that dramatic? If and when I get the adjustable bar what setting should I start with?

[warrior]

Forget Hella's.. I have them, they're a waste of time.

I'll be selling mine to get this:

http://www.skene.org/K1200RS/horn/index_horn.htm

It's a motorcycle horn with a mini compressor attached to it. It's louder, more efficient, smaller and costs a whopping $40.

:cool:

[Huffer]

Well I didn't think I was in the wrong for asking questions. So thanks for seeing my side.

Is the sway bar really going to be that dramatic? If and when I get the adjustable bar what setting should I start with?

You already have springs so the change isn't going to be *that* dramatic given that you don't really push your car to begin with (you mentioned above that you use your car daily but it's a grocery getter).

[jg09]

Is the sway bar really going to be that dramatic? If and when I get the adjustable bar what setting should I start with?

Just experiment around and see what you like best

[Kraziken]

Forget Hella's.. I have them, they're a waste of time.

I'll be selling mine to get this:

http://www.skene.org/K1200RS/horn/index_horn.htm

It's a motorcycle horn with a mini compressor attached to it. It's louder, more efficient, smaller and costs a whopping $40.

:cool:

Have you tried them?

I used them on an errant jaywalker. They hopping up 3 or 4 inches into the air was worth the purchase to me.

Of course I have mine hooked up in conjunction with the stock horns. :grin:

[ScaryFatKidGT]

just get a train horn like that one guy on here dont remember where i saw it

[Payback45]

I bought the Sway bar last night. Before the prices went up. I will write back after the instal and report what I think. I still want the Hella's but they will have to wait.

[subaru_terrence]

I got both hella and WL RSB, the sway bar was just awesome!

I installed the sway bar with group A endlinks as well. cornering is so much better!

This is kinda OT but I have the 20mm adjustable rear sway bar, when i was doing the installation, it had 2 holes but i didnt know what was the difference between the two so I just picked a random one and bolted on.

Can anyone tell me the difference?
The reason I asked because the bar didnt come with any instruction. :(

[Payback45]

I am starting to get concerned about the stock endlinks. I am sure upgrading them couldn't hurt but I dont want to spend to much on them. Is there a cheap pair that will do the job?

[subaru_terrence]

i guess you can look for the moog rear endlinks

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/sho ... adid=12604 (http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12604)

[Huffer]

Cheap pair is your existing ones.
Listen to rougeben - he more than likely beats on his car far more than you do and his advice is worth listening to.

[Payback45]

i guess you can look for the moog rear endlinks

http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/sho ... adid=12604 (http://www.subaruoutback.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12604)

After going to that site I am sold on the Moog rear Endlinks. $26.97 per end link. And they look pretty beefy. IS there any way these will not work with the whiteline sway bar?? Does anyone know?

Another question, Am I going to have any clearance issues with the new sway bar and my Stromung cat back?

[jg09]

As for compatibility with the Whiteline rear anti-sway, there shouldn't be any issues, but don't destroy the original packaging and throw away the receipts just in case (but we do that for all our parts anyway, right?). And about the clearance with the cat back, I can't say for sure, but I'd assume no issues would arise.

[Payback45]

We shall see about that.

[03LegacyWgn]

what endlinks would you recommend?

Ive got the Group A end links wich cost me 80 canadian from touge tuning
and im runing the stock rear bar in my BH

[rougeben83]

I got both hella and WL RSB, the sway bar was just awesome!

I installed the sway bar with group A endlinks as well. cornering is so much better!

This is kinda OT but I have the 20mm adjustable rear sway bar, when i was doing the installation, it had 2 holes but i didnt know what was the difference between the two so I just picked a random one and bolted on.

Can anyone tell me the difference?
The reason I asked because the bar didnt come with any instruction. :(

The one towards the end is the "soft" or "20mm" setting, the one going towards the bend is the "hard" or "22mm" setting.

Start with the stiffer setting, then really push the car to its limits. Back off if you find you're getting too much rotation...at least that's how they say to try them out anyway.

The Outback guys are popping their endlinks because that IPD 22mm bar is actually a little thicker than the equivalent WL bar, and it has shorter ends...basically the extra suspension articulation they have coupled with the increased stiffness of the IPD bar is just putting a lot more strain on the stock length endlinks.

Don't forget to grease those Moogs every few months. They'll squeak otherwise.

Oh and I just replaced my miata endlinks with the WL ones...after 2 years of midwest corrosion, one of the heim joints started to get a little bit of freeplay.

[1996Battlewagon]

I am not into auto X or anything like that.

Dude, don't knock it until you try it!!!

Glad you went with the sway bar. Just make sure to play around with the adjuster to find your happy place.

[Payback45]

I have a question about installing the sway and end links. Do I need to remove the rear wheels to install the bar and links? Would it be better to take it to a lift and do it my self?

I am expecting the links today from fedex and ups says the sway bar is supposed to be here today but I doubt it.

[Grafton]

back your car on ramps or a lift that's what i'd recomend

[Payback45]

So I dont need to take off the tires?

[jg09]

You shouldn't have to. Unbolt the bar from the bushings, unbolt the end links, and take it out. Installation will be the opposite.

[Huffer]

I have a question about installing the sway and end links. Do I need to remove the rear wheels to install the bar and links? Would it be better to take it to a lift and do it my self?

I am expecting the links today from fedex and ups says the sway bar is supposed to be here today but I doubt it.

back the car up onto ramps - unbolt the endlinks. Lift, turn and twist the swaybar out, install new one in reverse. Bolt endlinks back up.

Done.
DON'T do it on a lift - it's easier to do it when the wheels/suspension are preloaded.

[Grafton]

i was thinking of the kind of lift that the cars wheels sit on... sorry for my lack of clarification

[Payback45]

I got it installed last night and what a difference. I have it on the softer setting I think 20" but there is a big difference. Cornering is so much better and tighter. So far I am very happy with it. I will bump it up the the harder setting in a few weeks.

[jg09]

Now didn't I tell you that you'd love it?!

[Payback45]

I would recommend taking the tires off when you do it. I think it would be a bitch to do it with out taking them off. I am curious to know what the other setting will feel like.

[jg09]

Um, didn't he say somewhere else that it's already in?

[Huffer]

Threads were merged. Read before you post.


I got it installed last night and what a difference. I have it on the softer setting I think 20" but there is a big difference. Cornering is so much better and tighter. So far I am very happy with it. I will bump it up the the harder setting in a few weeks.

[Payback45]

What is the OEM size of the rear sway bar on a BE?

[rougeben83]

my L had a 13mm. Outbacks got 18mm

[Airgne]

you got it wrong ben. its a coat hanger for the BE

[Payback45]

13 is so small.

[rougeben83]

13 is so small.

cant you measure yours?

[Payback45]

I meant that it is a small bar compared to what I just put on. Not doubting you.

[rougeben83]

I'm saying you already have yours out, you can easily measure it.

I'm not sure if the GT's have the same size as the L's.

[Payback45]

True but I thought I would ask anyway. I have alot of free time on my hands.