DIY: Installing MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT

[winston856]

So today I decided to install the MSD 8239 Coil pack on to my Phase 1 EJ25D.

I took some pictures and I followed liquidracing's method so I'm going to copy it from the huge MSD thread and post it here.


so, i was going to go with all MSD, and i will. for now though, i opted for a nice little neon coil. picked it up for 40 bucks with a connector. here is the low-down on the neon "upgrade"(three pin ONLY, haven't done foot work on four pin yet) Rolling Eyes

1)if you look at the two coils side-by-side, arranged with the connector to the left(just like if it were in the car, you at the front, looking at it, facing towrds the firewall), you will see the two "bumps" on the coil pack laying horizontally, with spark plug ports out either side. these are the individual "coils". there is a port in the middle on the left side, with 3 pins in it.

2)with these factors still inplace, walk around to the passenger-side of the car, staying at the front quarter-panel(driver's side for you east pond drivers). look at the connector port on the coil. you will see three pins. from RIGHT to LEFT, they are numbered 1, 2, 3, respectively, although there is no formal inscription of any kind on the connector, or port.

3)cut the connecter off your car between the snap and the coil pack, prefferably closer to the pack as i want you to throw it away when your done. Shocked remove coil and connector from your car.

4)take said connecter that you just cut, and lay it down next to the neon connecter. throw away the coil you cut the connector off, it's pretty much just a paperweight now. Cool

ready for the fun part? Very Happy

5)the connector diagrams are the same, EXACTLY! wiring-wise anyway.
yeah, it's that stupid simple!

6)looking at the pins, on the neon connector, they are read from LEFT to RIGHT:1, 2, and 3(the reason it's not the same as the port, is that it's a mirror image of the pins on the port)

7)looking at the pins on the subie connector, they are read from RIGHT to LEFT:1,2 and 3

8)pin 1 is for cyl numbers 1 and 2

9)pin 2 is "12v signal in"

10)pin 3 is for cyl numbers 3 and 4

11)literally take the neon connector and subie connector and connect the wires, number for number: 1 to 1, 2 to 2, 3 to 3. now you have a universal connector/adapter to use on your msd, accel, or neon coil, without killing the wiring on your car, although the subie coil has to give it's life for this connector. Very Happy

12)just plug into the neon coil and your off.

wow, this is sounding like a diy, but, is it? i mean, yes and no.

Now on to the pictures, just follow the method quoted above completely and install with the MSD facing towards you so the harness port is facing the drivers side, which is opposite the way it is on phase 1's. I installed it facing the right way and the car just backfired when I turned it over. The bolts are M6 x 2". Also if you have a phase 1 block, you'll need later wires I believe from a phase 2 so I purchased NGK wires for a 1999 Legacy GT, they fit perfectly.

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[Huffer]

Nice... I might have to try this out myself. So your driving impressions?

[winston856]

Nice... I might have to try this out myself. So your driving impressions?

Put this in today and had the tank topped off so I'll see what my MPG are over the next week or so.

Starting: Starts up about the same as before, perhaps a little quicker but it's more sure of itself and doesn't ramp up to 1500 rpm like it used to. Goes up to 1000 or so now.

Idling: Smooth, perhaps moreso than before, minimized hesitation I was having off idle sometimes.

Driving: Got my low end power back, I already have a lightweight flywheel so I have to rev more than a car with a stock flywheel when taking off from a stop. Driving around town @ 25MPH I BARELY have to have my foot even touching the pedal and the car maintains speed. Then I ever so slightly, like a few mm's move the pedal down and I pick up speed. Throttle response has improved quite a bit. Got more ooomph in 5th on the highway as well.

Power is smooth throughout the band and revs higher easier/smoother and pulls harder in the upper RPM's than before. It basically pulls harder everywhere in the powerband moreso now than with the stocker on there. My car is also smoother now, less vibration from the engine especially in the lower RPM range.

Sound: Exhaust is more prominent, I expected that because now I'm getting a cleaner more powerful combustion and you hear it in the exhaust. Sounds a little more beefy now like it's got something under the hood.

[97legacygt]

Cool. Its nice to have detailed pictures. Defiantly need to do this soon.

[winston856]

Your welcome.

This is definitely an easy mod, the wiring is about as straightforward as it gets; I'm a beginner at wiring. It's very useful with stock subaru maps because they're on the rich side from the factory so I expect a rise in MPG from this.

[anothernord]

Is there a difference between the a stock neon coil and the fancy red MSD? Is one better than the other?

I figured from reading the giant thread that flat pins are better, so I would be getting the coil with flat pins regardless.

Here's the MSD I was lookin' at: http://www.shop.speedunlimited.com/Shop ... rid/126429 (http://www.shop.speedunlimited.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/32401/vpid/4732573/vpcsid/0/rid/126429)

[winston856]

If I remember correctly the Neon coil is very close in power to the MSD, but the MSD is still more powerful.

PM Reason, he'll hook you up :)

[anothernord]

Thanks for the reply, I'll check with Reason, hopefully I have enough in the budget for this mod.

what do these things do???

[winston856]

what do these things do???

Provide a more powerful spark in your ignition system which means more complete combustion which translates into more power and better MPG.

[liquidracing]

Is there a difference between the a stock neon coil and the fancy red MSD? Is one better than the other?

I figured from reading the giant thread that flat pins are better, so I would be getting the coil with flat pins regardless.

Here's the MSD I was lookin' at: http://www.shop.speedunlimited.com/Shop ... rid/126429 (http://www.shop.speedunlimited.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/32401/vpid/4732573/vpcsid/0/rid/126429)

iirk, the msd is 40000v and the neon is 34-36000v. :wink:

[liquidracing]

winston, did you ever use your coupon to buy the large herb chicken mediterranean deLite pizza? :razz:

Nice job. me likey! and yes, i have verified, to myself, a mpg rating that is +3-5mpg average. this is over the course of 4 tanks of 87oct, from the same shell station(yeah i know bush owns stock in shell :evil: , but, it's GREAT gas!) no additives, except the seafoam i did two weeks ago(after tank#2) i think that actually netted the extra 1-2mpg overall, afterall.

2-3mpg for the msd
1-2mpg for the seafoam

no matter. Winston856 FTW!

good job.

[liquidracing]

"I installed it facing the right way and the car just backfired when I turned it over"-winston856

oh, shyte! did i have pins 1 and 3 reversed? because mine faces to the passenger side. i'll have to review the topic. whoops?

[winston856]

"I installed it facing the right way and the car just backfired when I turned it over"-winston856

oh, shyte! did i have pins 1 and 3 reversed? because mine faces to the passenger side. i'll have to review the topic. whoops?

You might have, it's all buttoned up and working fine so I'm not gonna change it. However it would have been nice to install it the other way :smile:

[tougemachine]

I just finished doing this to my 96' 2.2L. Well I stole the coil from the junkyard (yes yes, shame shame) and I got the plug wire ends free. But I accadently took the wrong connector, so I went back this morning and got the right one for 5 bucks. So total it cost me...well, 5 bucks.

As for the coil, I love it. It feals like I just added a bigger throttle bodie or sumpthin. :-)

[KnifeyMcShanker]

I just did this yesterday. Ended up being like $75 for the MSD pack and $2 for the connector at the junkyard. The bolts from the Neon worked fine to mount the MSD pack, but only one hole lined up. Going to get a metal plate and make an adapter soon.

This was a very easy mod, took me (with no real electrical experience) about 2 hours to do. I used a hacksaw to cut apart the old coil and take the connector off (mine was actually attached to the coil and not on a wire to it) so I could make an adapter and not actually cut the car's harness. Soldered everything together and made sure there was shrink wrap and electrical tape around all the bare wires, and it plugged in fine. I made the mistake of crossing wires 1 and 3, but just flipping the pack 180 degrees fixed that.

Now, hopefully this will fix my misfire issues :razz:, the coil is the only thing I haven't checked and/or replaced in the air/ignition system so far.

[Reason]

hmmm I'm wondering if maybe I wired up the coil wrong, maybe that's why I'm having engine knock.

[KnifeyMcShanker]

Well, assuming you have the middle wire correct, there's really only 2 ways to wire it. One way won't work at all and one will be right.

[Reason]

Yea thats what I did. One way didn't work I switched 1 and 3 and it fired up. I was wondering since I have the coil on reverse would it mess with the firing order.

[tougemachine]

This will work on a 95 impreza 1.8 right. My friend just picked one up with a broken clutch fork for 800 bucks. Drove it home 70 miles. Its a project for sure tho.

[KnifeyMcShanker]

Hmm, i have my coil on reverse to what everyone else has been doing and it's working fine...

I don't really think that would change anything in the order, one wire fires 1 and 2, and the other fires 3 and 4. if you mix up the wires and rotate the coil 180 degrees I don't think that would cause anything bad to happen. You could always redo the wiring and turn it back and see if that helps...

[Reason]

Hmm, i have my coil on reverse to what everyone else has been doing and it's working fine...

I don't really think that would change anything in the order, one wire fires 1 and 2, and the other fires 3 and 4. if you mix up the wires and rotate the coil 180 degrees I don't think that would cause anything bad to happen. You could always redo the wiring and turn it back and see if that helps...

That would be a good idea, but it's too cold for that lol. The problem is recent, so I doubt it might be the problem, it was a thought.

[anothernord]

I wired my neon coil in reverse so the plug faces the passenger side; It worked perfectly the first time. I just switched the two outside wires. (Yellow to Black - Red to Green - Blue to Blue)

I will have to try it the other way and see if there is any difference.

[hellaGT]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/11/IMG_0636-1.jpg



So, does that black plug come with the pack?
Is that the plug off a phase 2 like you stated above?
Is that a plug for a neon that you spliced to work with the car's plug?

I think my distributor is going bad so I'm bumping this thread

[iampetro]

double bump

love the diy but need some "for dummy's" questions answerd.

where does the coil go?

what does "neon" coil mean?

when doing this is it easy to change spark plugs at the same time?

please and thank you

:smt026

[decke48]

double bump

love the diy but need some "for dummy's" questions answerd.

where does the coil go?

what does "neon" coil mean?

when doing this is it easy to change spark plugs at the same time?

please and thank you

:smt026
1) right in the middle of the intake manfold where the stock one is
2) the coil is designed for the dodge neon
3)change the plugs on subarus is taking the washer bottle out and the intake box to get access to the plugs. its not hard just a different way to do it

[anothernord]

So after 6 months with the neon coil, I have noticed that the ECU seems to be adjusting to the increased fuel burn, and adding more fuel and thus I am getting slightly worse mileage. I wonder if there is any way to "tune" this correction out without a full blown EM.

[jey]

So after 6 months with the neon coil, I have noticed that the ECU seems to be adjusting to the increased fuel burn, and adding more fuel and thus I am getting slightly worse mileage. I wonder if there is any way to "tune" this correction out without a full blown EM.

You can try a piggyback fuel controller like an S-AFC, though the ECU seems to learn around that too at times.

[anothernord]

What about a RRFPR? Or is that only for forced induction?

[jey]

What about a RRFPR? Or is that only for forced induction?

Indeed it is. As the name implies the Fuel Pressure Regulator increases fuel pressure as manifold pressure increases.

[Minjin]

So after 6 months with the neon coil, I have noticed that the ECU seems to be adjusting to the increased fuel burn, and adding more fuel and thus I am getting slightly worse mileage. I wonder if there is any way to "tune" this correction out without a full blown EM.
This doesn't make any sense. If you really think you are getting a "better" burn, your o2 sensor would show a leaner reading more often, causing the long term fuel trims to adjust to compensate. That's quite possible if spark performance has actually improved. But if the car is making more power, you would be using less throttle to get the same driving performance as before, negating any effect the fuel trims might have. If you are getting worse gas mileage, it's because your driving has changed or there is some other unrelated negative factor.

[anothernord]

One thing I overlooked: The neon coil itself might be going bad. I need to get a real MSD anyway.

[winston856]

*snip*



So, does that black plug come with the pack?
Is that the plug off a phase 2 like you stated above?
Is that a plug for a neon that you spliced to work with the car's plug?

I think my distributor is going bad so I'm bumping this thread


If you get the MSD pack through Reason, he can probably get you that black plug which he gets off neon's in the boneyard since the MSD is for a neon. The other plug is the stock subaru one.

[cj91legss]

So would this also apply to a BC?

[Huffer]

Part links if anyone cares:

http://www.shopatron.com/img/product_images/424/c7785747c1b5674bb72609b7a0f76631.jpg
http://www.msdignition.com/product.aspx ... terms=8239 (http://www.msdignition.com/product.aspx?id=5079&terms=8239)

# Works with stock ignition as well as MSD Ignitions
# Flat terminal connection only
# CARB E.O. Approved

Coil Specs
Turns ratio: 77:1
Primary resistance: .051 OHMs
Secondary resistance: 12K OHMs
Inductance: 7mH
Maximum voltage: 36,000 Volts

[green97gt]

maybe i missed something... but isnt this just a red coil pack?

for true MSD do you not also need the MSD box?

seems kinda like those honda guys buying the red MSD dist. cap and saying "it feels like the car has nitro, or something"

[Huffer]

You definitely missed something. Read up.

[Navi271]

I just did this DIY the other day. Pretty straight forward, awesome DIY. The differences with phase I or phase II engine wiring was confusing tho. I just guessed and checked. I got it wrong the first time and then I just switched the outside wires around and it worked just fine! The middle wire stayed connected to the middle wire on the MSD coil clip. I put the coil facing backwards because I didn't want the wires getting in the way of the other stuff like the acceleration pedal wire and cruise control wire that connects to the throttle body.
- I got the MSD coil from ebay for like 70 bucks. The clip I got from here on the classifieds: https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14056
- Got NGK wires and plugs from: http://www.ngk.com/default.asp?KID=3166&gclid=CMXr8-nr-ZsCFRPyDAodeHWX_g
- I got the bolts ((M6 x45mm) 45mm is very close to 2") from some car parts store here in town.
- I had to get the phase II wires since I have a phase I engine and the original wires don't fit the MSD coil.
After driving around for a few days I notice there is a small increase of power at about any speed. Just seems to GO now whenever I need it to. Starts the same and still ramps up to like 1500rpms like usual for me. Idling and city driving does seem smoother tho, not as much vibration. The sound is definitely upped a notch! With the UEL headers and axleback exhaust the 2.2 rumbles! I can hear it in the cockpit better now and I LOVE IT! Here's a pic.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/07/IMG_0368-1.jpg

[hrdrifter]

so basically you need the connector from your stock coil pack and one from a neon?
what is the difference from phase 1 and 2?

[ten80]

Hey, your link to the NGK website is borked. Would you mind telling us the model of NGK spark plugs you used?

Thanks!

[Navi271]

so basically you need the connector from your stock coil pack and one from a neon?
what is the difference from phase 1 and 2?
The stock coil pack wires are directly connected to the coil pack with a connector a few inches down the wires and since you want as much slack in the wires as possible you just cut the wires right next to the stock coil, so once i spliced the new connector on i guess i do have 2 separate connectors. i'd keep it in just in case you have to swap in a subaru coil pack again.. you know if maybe it dies since it's not a subaru made product lol
With this mod the phase 1 and 2 difference is the coil pack. The coil pack has different plug wire connections so they have different spark plug wires for each of them. You want to buy the phase 2 plug wires, the ones with connections that are skinny and long, not the fat and short ones.

Hey, your link to the NGK website is borked. Would you mind telling us the model of NGK spark plugs you used?

Thanks!
LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61

[hrdrifter]

i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1

[ten80]

LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61

I didn't know if your link was supposed to go to the specific page for the correct wires, or if the MSD coilpack would work with stock wires, hence my asking for a part number. NGK lists FX54 as the part number for a 1997 LGT, but the OEM coilpack has female connectors for the spark plug wires whereas the MSD's connectors are male. However, I suspect that FX61 will also work for me.

[Navi271]

i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1
ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

This is a PHASE 1 coil pack

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr277/Navi271/IMG_0140-1.jpg

This is a PHASE 2 coil pack

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr277/Navi271/IMG00033-1.jpg

Notice that phase 1 and phase 2 coil packs require different wires and phase 1 coil packs are a bit smaller than their phase 2 counterparts. Just to repeat, if you have phase 1 then you WILL have to get newer phase 2 wires. If you have phase 2 then you can just use the stock wires if you don't want to upgrade those.




LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61

I didn't know if your link was supposed to go to the specific page for the correct wires, or if the MSD coilpack would work with stock wires, hence my asking for a part number. NGK lists FX54 as the part number for a 1997 LGT, but the OEM coilpack has female connectors for the spark plug wires whereas the MSD's connectors are male. However, I suspect that FX61 will also work for me.

if your OEM coil pack has female connectors i think that would be phase 1. i think.... and if have a phase 1 engine and you just put in your exact car in the fields on the NGK website you'll probably get the upgraded phase 1 wires. I know for sure tho that MSD coil 8239 WILL work with the 1998 subaru legacy 2.2L NGK wires (#FX61) because that's what i'm using right now.

Now that I'm looking at the website I see the part numbers change according to how big the engine is. FX54's are PHASE 1!!! don't get those, you can tell by the picture that pops up on the left, or by clicking on more info and you'll still see the picture on the left. The picture is the exact same thing you will get, it's not some generalized picture they put with everything which is kinda nice.
Looks like the part numbers you should be looking for are FX61 for 2.2L, and FX50 for a 2.5L. I don't know if getting the wrong ones makes a difference at all so I wouldn't try it..
Also just found a part number FX58 for a 1999 legacy 2.2L phase 2 that should work.. I've learned that you should do lots of research on something before you do it when it comes with cars so if there's any question about anything then try to figure it out before purchasing or taking apart anything.. hope this helps a little bit more!!

[anothernord]

^^ Good post. That will really help avoid confusion for people looking to do this mod.

[RedEvilWgn]

am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

Solder and Heatshrink wrap your connections!

[anothernord]

am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

Solder and Heatshrink wrap your connections!

+1

Soldering so so much more reliable than just crimping, especially in something as sensitive as the ignition system. Sometimes I am guilty of not using shrink tubing, and using electrical tape but I always solder.

[Navi271]

am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

Solder and Heatshrink wrap your connections!

+1

Soldering so so much more reliable than just crimping, especially in something as sensitive as the ignition system. Sometimes I am guilty of not using shrink tubing, and using electrical tape but I always solder.
agreed, sometimes i don't even use solder when it's just small electrical stuff, but i went all out on this one! I crimped, soldered, shrink tubed, and wrapped it in electrical tape.

[Soul Shinobi]

ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

This is a PHASE 1 coil pack

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

This is a PHASE 2 coil pack

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

Notice that phase 1 and phase 2 coil packs require different wires and phase 1 coil packs are a bit smaller than their phase 2 counterparts. Just to repeat, if you have phase 1 then you WILL have to get newer phase 2 wires. If you have phase 2 then you can just use the stock wires if you don't want to upgrade those.
Incorrect. Sorry but I do have to correct this. The following information applies to the US market:

Engines:
All Subaru 2.2L engines from 1990 to 1998 are Phase I. 1999 and later they are Phase II. Same goes for the 2.5L engines, EXCEPT the Legacy and Legacy Outback models get the Phase II 2.5L one year late for 2000; Impreza and Forester models got Phase II for 1999.

Coil Packs: (looking at Legacy parts)
2.2L from 1990 to 1996 use similar coil packs.
2.2L from 1997-1999 have a new coil pack, in 1999 the spark plug wires changed (I think the coil pack should be the same).
What I know on the 2.5L is based on the plug wires for sale by Subaru. 1996 is unique, 1997 is unique, 1998 and 1999 are the same, 2000-2004 are the same, and 2005-2006 are the same. It seems 1996 has the old coil pack and 1997-2006 have the newer terminal style. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Navi271]

i wondered if anyone would find something wrong, i still don't exactly understand phase 1 and 2 stuff. I just know the different coil packs.
obviously you know more about that than i do, thanks for the info!

[anothernord]

i wondered if anyone would find something wrong, i still don't exactly understand phase 1 and 2 stuff. I just know the different coil packs.
obviously you know more about that than i do, thanks for the info!

Easy way to tell the 2.5L's apart:

Phase I = DOHC (big timing belt cover with spark plugs down on the side)
Phase II = SOHC (little timing belt cover with spark plugs sticking out at an angle)

[Soul Shinobi]

Easy way to tell them apart:

Phase I = DOHC (big timing belt cover with spark plugs down on the side)
Phase II = SOHC (little timing belt cover with spark plugs sticking out at an angle)
Make note: this applies to the 2.5L engines only.

[ten80]

i...
hope this helps a little bit more!!

it does, thanks a lot. FX54 OEM fittment wires do not fit and FX61 are too short and not designed for the tear-drop spark plug cover holes, so they wouldn't form a good seal with the spark plug covers. Looks like I need to order FX50.

EDIT- tried FX61 and they did not fit.

[Matty2Hotty]

Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.

[anothernord]

Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.

The BE has a 4-wire coil pack, so nobody has been able to get it to work yet.

[Matty2Hotty]

Dang, well msd needs to make one or something... Lame.




Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.

The BE has a 4-wire coil pack, so nobody has been able to get it to work yet.

[legacy98gt]

for a neon coil do you have to ground it? i saw that he did just wonderin if i have to? i think i will to be safe

[anothernord]

for a neon coil do you have to ground it? i saw that he did just wonderin if i have to? i think i will to be safe

Not sure exactly what you mean, I just connected the three wires and drove off; no problem.

[legacy98gt]

theres 4 bolt holes and only 3 places to screw it in, the onw with no hole it looks like you put a ground wire

[Reason]

I'll say it again, write MSD to get a coil pack made. I already wrote in regards of having two style coil packs made. The more people who write, the better chance of this happening.

[kevbot]

OK so, do I need to get NGK FX58 to do this mod on my USDM EJ25 Phase I?

Thanks a lot!
Kev-Bot

[kevbot]

Or is it NGK FX50?

[winston856]

The FX50 are what you're looking for. I bought some of a '99 Legacy 2.5GT and they fit perfect. :smt020

[kevbot]

NICE!! :smt006

[99gtlimited]

i think this is next on my list... good write-up!

[httrdd]

Pm reason. He is slow to get back to ya, but he gives good prices! :lol: :grin:

[bobbyjimmy]

One of the MSD coils on eGay, .99c start (not mine etc);
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-MSD- ... ccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-MSD-8229-Mitsubishi-Neon-BLAST-coil-round-terminals_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45f1668275QQitemZ300402770549QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

[lord flashheart]

can i have the coupon for the pizza for $7.99?

[Lone_legacy]

can i have the coupon for the pizza for $7.99?

Thats pure jokes man. I am still laughing and I saw this a few minutes ago.

[Benders]

Just curious, what year Neons have the correct coil pack for this mod when using the neon pack?

And also, would a coil pack from a 2.0L non turbo Second gen eclipse work? I know the Neon and Eclipse non turbo are both 2.0L and similar motors, but idk if they are the same.

If anyone knows that would be awesome. :)

I ask because my buddy has a spare stock coil pack from his 420A eclipse. Lol

[B's Legacy Wagon]

Dang, well msd needs to make one or something... Lame.




Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.

The BE has a 4-wire coil pack, so nobody has been able to get it to work yet.

Just asking to make sure. so if there is no MSD pack for the BE thats means no pack aswell for the BH-wagon. just clarifying as i got a 00' 2.5L Wagon.
I read threw the whole article thinking oh i cant wait to do this, untill i came across Matty's post. :smt022

[bigjoshsubyfan]

I"m thinking about doing this I have the coil and I just want to make sure its going to be safe. No one here said anything about changing plugs. There is one leggy with a 2.2 and he had to go to a colder range because he was burning them up. I have a phase 1 2.5. Again I just want to make sure i'm not going to hurt anything.

[DarkPhoenix]

Just curious, what year Neons have the correct coil pack for this mod when using the neon pack?

And also, would a coil pack from a 2.0L non turbo Second gen eclipse work? I know the Neon and Eclipse non turbo are both 2.0L and similar motors, but idk if they are the same.

If anyone knows that would be awesome. :)

I ask because my buddy has a spare stock coil pack from his 420A eclipse. Lol


That is the coil you want. The 420A that is in teh 2G NT DSMs is the same as the Neon R/T 2.0 from the same years.

[TheSiege]

Why hasn't anyone just linked to a couple of coils and wires saying "This is exactly what you need for 2.5, this is exactly what you need for 2.0" there's so much back and forth that reading all 3 pages has only confused me more.

[datdookie]

Woo! Just did this mod but with the round terminal, 8229. Got the wrong ngk wires(dont fit quite right) but made them work and my goodness does it feels much better. Smoother acceleration, feels a little faster and sounds beastier(uel headers, 2.25 piping to a magnaflow exhaust). Not sure if ill save gave because i just feel like smashing.

Oh and the wire i have are ngk fx58.

[csweston]

Dumb question, but does anyone know if they make the NGK FX50 in red? My current wires are red and i would like to keep it that way. However i havent been able to find any.

[4U2Envy]

NGK FX50's are blue, just installed a pair a few weeks ago.

[ronin777]

Has anyone installed an actual MSD box along with an MSD ignition coil? I'm planning to get one for my 96 2.2 (MT) and at first I was getting different answers. First time I called they told me I can use any of the 6 series boxes with any of their coils. Second time I called someone said they have nothing for me to use. Finally on my third call today, guy named Peter said I can use the 8239 coil, with an 8883 harness using a DIS-2 box, which finally made sense. I'm wanting to know if anyone has had experience doing an actual install on a 96 subie 2.2 just to get an idea. Also can anyone suggest where I can get it at a good price? Thanks.

[ronin777]

Ok, managed to get a used dis2 (pn 6211) off ebay, not too bad for $95 shipped. Got the 8239 coil at streetside racing for around $66 shipped and the 8883 harness for $25 (ebay as well). Installed the coil first (2 weeks ago), had to use the spark plug wires from a 98 outback but it worked. Haven't really noticed any changes in mileage but that's because I haven't changed plugs yet. I finally got the dis2 installed today and so far the car is running. Will start running it on a fresh tank starting tomorrow so I can check the mileage changes. Then when it's not too cold later on in the week I will change the plugs. I do need to get better plug wires though, I got the autocraft ones and they are only 7mm thick. MSD told me to get the 8.5 ones. Hope to see good changes. I'll post later. In the meantime I hope everyone has a great holiday season!

[Reason]

Ok, managed to get a used dis2 (pn 6211) off ebay, not too bad for $95 shipped. Got the 8239 coil at streetside racing for around $66 shipped and the 8883 harness for $25 (ebay as well). Installed the coil first (2 weeks ago), had to use the spark plug wires from a 98 outback but it worked. Haven't really noticed any changes in mileage but that's because I haven't changed plugs yet. I finally got the dis2 installed today and so far the car is running. Will start running it on a fresh tank starting tomorrow so I can check the mileage changes. Then when it's not too cold later on in the week I will change the plugs. I do need to get better plug wires though, I got the autocraft ones and they are only 7mm thick. MSD told me to get the 8.5 ones. Hope to see good changes. I'll post later. In the meantime I hope everyone has a great holiday season!

Damn you beat me to it. I was planning on doing this. I've been talking with someone at MSD about this for some time now. Actually started talking to him this past summer a few times then wrote.back for a.second confirmation a few weeks back. I'll post up the part numbers if they are any different from what you got. Did the tell you you may need the tach harness?

[Reason]

It was Rick who I recently talk to. And those part numbers you were told are the same. And the tach/fuel adapter that he said I may need is PN 8912. So if you have issues get one of those. Iamcurious on how this will turn out.

[Soul Shinobi]

Can you take a second to explin exactly what you're doing? Are you adding a part in addition to the coil pack?

[Reason]

Yes sir, short version, it cranks up the juice a bit, and is fully adjustable.

[Soul Shinobi]

I'm going to have to demand pics and a wiring diagram when you're done! :grin:

[Reason]

Wiring is pretty simple if you buy the harness mentioned.

[Soul Shinobi]

The plug wires mentioned, would the MSD ones be better than the premium NGK offering we often discuss here?

[ronin777]

Hi Reason, sorry for the late reply, just read your posts today and I hope you had a great holiday. My tach works fine without the adapter, so you shouldn't need one either. I just changed the plugs today, it's been about 4 weeks since my last post and I am still getting about 22-23 mpg, I think it's because I still have the old plugs. It's been cold here in the DC areal lately so I've been lazy. I'm glad I finally changed the plugs though, I just discovered the car still has the old bosch platinum plugs which is a no no when using MSD. Hope I have better results with this tank, I got the NGK laser iridiums gapped at .050 (experimenting). I'm still searching around for low resistance spark plug wires to replace the ones I bought. I've got my eye on the magstar wires (Advanced Auto parts) but I'm still researching. I wonder if the 7mm NGK wires would work? The guys at MSD recommends using the low resistance wires but said they don't make any for my car. Oh well, I'll post this week's gas mileage later. Have a good week!

[Reason]

Accel makes custom low resistance wire. Pro sports or something like that. There claim 250hms per foot. I was actually going to try to collect various wires to measure the ohm resistance on multiple wires made for our cars.

[ronin777]

Accel makes custom low resistance wire. Pro sports or something like that. There claim 250hms per foot. I was actually going to try to collect various wires to measure the ohm resistance on multiple wires made for our cars.

Hi again Reason,
If you can can you post your results? I am an idiot when it comes to using my multimeter (I need a crash course, lol!) and so I am totally useless for that. I did read a post at srtforums and they seem to favor granettelli wires but they're so damn expensive.
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f77/spark-plug-wire-comparison-read-before-purchasing-wires-414289/

Lemme know what you think. And by the way I am serious as far as learning how to REALLY use a multi-meter so I'm open for a crash course if anyone would be kind enough.

[Reason]

Yes thats the same thing what I wanted to do. So if people want to send me used wires I'll take them. I'll take new ones too from all different models. I'll post up results of new and worn wires.

[ronin777]

Just a quick update. Been running the dis2 w 8239 coil on my 96 outback for approx 2 mos now. I noticed that the mpg didn't go up as much as I was hoping for, I was only getting about 2 mpg over what I normally get if not the same. Then about 3 weeks ago I noticed that when I run between 3000 or 3500 or more rpm I get a misfire. Called tech support and they think I'm experiencing some arching and advised me to change the el cheapo autolite plug wires I'm using. They said I should be using wires that do not go above 800 ohms. Today I got a hold of a set of Accel superstock spiral ignition wires (supposedly at 500 ohms). Didn't get a chance to have it checked with an ohm meter, just took a leap of faith and installed them. Feels a lot better with the Accel wires on but I'm not sure if it's a psychological thing, the response felt better but I will see if the mpg will also improve. Will check back in with hopefully good results. Peace!

[Soul Shinobi]

Thanks for the update. Just a note, unless you've got a very nice multi-meter reading below 1,000 ohms is hard to be precise.

[i<3mysubi]

can someone give me a for sure answer on what wires on the neon go to the wires on the subaru??
so far i have two different(looks like the most common) answers
the first if from another thread and it is
subaru ----------------- Neon
red ----------------------- black
yellow ---------------------- green
blue ------------------------ blue

and then the one on this thread which is
subaru---------------- neon
yellow------------------blue
red --------------------green
blue------------------- black

what is the wiring please.please please please?

[rstimpreza]

I have 96 brighton... will this work?

[Soul Shinobi]

Yes.

[natsirt]

I was taking a look at my stock ignition coil (MY98 Legacy GT DOHC) and noticed the connector on the ignition coil doesn't have any wires coming out of it. The connector built onto my coil is integrated into the plastic ignition coil housing, or shell, or unit or whatever you'd like to call it. Mine looks like this:

http://www.collectorcarsforsale.com/parts/parts-images-large/1999-subaru-legacy-outback-ej25-ignition-coil-wires_290447479633.jpg

The ignition coil connector is integrated into the coil's structure.

It seems like the coils everyone is using for the mod is of this style:

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/07/140-1.jpg

There's wires coming off of it that need to be cut and spliced to the neon connector wiring, with the neon connector then plugging into the MSD coil.

I was just wondering if there's something I'm missing here. Thanks.

[natsirt]

Is it still possible to do the mod with the ignition coil that has the connector built in? I'd rather not splice a neon connector onto the subaru wiring - 'that' being a possible way to make it work...

[bulldozer24]

Ive done it with the same coil pack as you have AKA "stage 2 coil pack" and yes you have to cut your factory connector off. I cant remember what colors it is right now that you match up, but just keep looking around and you will find it, or just try the search in the top right. :smt023

[natsirt]

The OP and others, state earlier in the thread which colors to splice to what. I'm just simply opposed to cutting the subaru connector off and splicing in a neon connector. In that case, I'd rather keep the original wiring, find a female subaru connector end (much like the one found built in to the phase 2 coil), splice it to a neon connector and plug that to the MSD coil, with the subaru female end plugged to the subaru male end already meant to go to the ignition coil. No cutting, chopping, butchering :smt027 of my stock wiring and would allow for easy interchangeability from OEM coil to MSD coil and vice versa. Would anyone know where I could buy a female connector end, pretty much exactly like the one found built in to the OEM ignition coil, but that I could splice to some neon wiring and connector? Is that just a generic connector type that I could easily find at any auto parts store? If that's the case I'll go over to a store and get one. Do other connectors throughout the car have the same style connector ends? If so, I'll just go raid a junk yard to find a female end that matches the male end of my wiring.

[Soul Shinobi]

A good idea, but finding such a connector--if one was ever manufactured--is the clincher. I can't say for sure, but I doubt it's generic. I've thought of it myself, but didn't have high enough expectations to even look.

[bulldozer24]

Just cut it, solder it, and be done with it. It's really not that hard to change it back to stock if necessary.

[Soul Shinobi]

It's true, and more electrically sound.

[harrymaneuvers]

So I have read the thread and seem a couple people with the 2.2 doing this.


Would it be the same for a 2.2 phase 2?

If so, am I looking for just a standard neon coil pack or a neon r/t coil pack?

[Soul Shinobi]

So long as it's a 3 wire coil pack with similar terminals for the spark plug wires then yes. And I do think that's the case, but doesn't hurt to double check. You'll likely need your wiring diagram.

[Tylerhartman]

I just order mine off eBay, 35$ bucks yay! I'll be back for the DIY once the waiting game is over.

[fullCircling]

I have a brand new set of NGK fx50s for sale if anyones interested. It turns out I needed fx54s (damn you Subaru and your mid-year parts changing!) PM if interested.

[fullCircling]

I've got a brand new set of fx50s that I don't need. I ended up using another stock coil instead, and now I have to get the fx54s. 40 shipped through Paypal, PM if interested...

[d1giPhux]

Bringing this back from the dead.. I have a question:

Anyone have clearance issues with the MSD coil? It seems like my hood CAN close when using the MSD without a adapter plate. However, when using an adapter plate, it seems like its too large?

Just wondering if anyone else has noticed clearance issues with installing the MSD? Where does it hit?

Also, when I installed the MSD without the adapter plate, just using 1 screw.. my hood was able to close if I dropped it. Not sure it its hitting something or not though.

[Soul Shinobi]

Here's a silly old trick: put a blob of shaving cream on top of the coil pack, close the hood. I've also heard of using clay (or play-doh) and seeing how much it deforms if it clears but is close.

[d1giPhux]

Good idea on the shaving cream.. i will try that.

Seems like I can close the hood, but I just wonder if its being banged around or anything.

[anothernord]

Here's a silly old trick: put a blob of shaving cream on top of the coil pack, close the hood. I've also heard of using clay (or play-doh) and seeing how much it deforms if it clears but is close.

:smt004 I will go try that right now!

By the way; us Outback guys don't have to worry about clearance; the subframe spacers for the lift lower the engine relative to the rest of the body. :smile:

[d1giPhux]

Let me know what you find if you end up doing it. I don't have my MSD coil in yet, or any shaving cream. :lol:

[d1giPhux]

Did anyone re-gap their plugs after doing this?? Don't you need to re-gap anyways to compensate for the bigger spark? Otherwise.. wont it just spark the same as stock??

[Soul Shinobi]

I'm thinking no, but maybe someone a little more knowledgeable than me should chime in.

[d1giPhux]

Well.. in all reality, if you have a coil pack putting out more of a punch, don't you need to re-gap the plugs in order to take advantage of it? Thats what I would think.. but I could be wrong.

[Soul Shinobi]

I would think the advantage is in the immediacy and duration of the spark, coming on fast and strong, not weakening as cylinder pressure builds.

[d1giPhux]

Got mine installed. Heatshrinked, soldered, the works. Not noticing much of a difference? May not need to rev AS much, however waiting for ECU to re-adjust still. Running 8mm Magnecore wires. I was running those on my stock setup as well.

[Soul Shinobi]

I assume you reset the ECU? Give it some time and don't look for it, I think it's not a hits-you-in-the-face difference. I haven't gotten one myself but I've done a voltage boosting mod that gave similar (but minor) results.

[d1giPhux]

Yeah, i reset the ECU. Not really noticing anything different at all. I guess I will continue to drive it and just enjoy the red ignition box under my hood :lol:

So far however, I think this is a pretty over-rated mod. I haven't noticed any huge difference, or really ANY difference from the stock ignition coil box.

[Soul Shinobi]

I wonder if your spark plugs are dirty or fuel or oil quality are holding the engine back. When was the last time the fuel filter was replaced? The OEM ones are cheap enough. Does it rev freer in neutral at least? If so maybe a brake is dragging or something. Haha, okay, I'm just brainstorming, that's everything I can think of. :razz:

EDIT: Wait, it's not. How clean is your air filter, and have you ever seafoamed the car? How free flowing is your exhaust, perhaps a cat is clogged or an O2 sensor on its way out.

[d1giPhux]

Its possible the fuel filter is dirty, it hasn't been changed in a long while. Does seem to rev a bit easier.. so I guess its a bit of an upgrade. However, maybe because I'm already running a LW flywheel and LW pulley that I'm not noticing much of a difference?

Car was seafoamed about 1 week ago, didn't get any black smoke. This is the 2nd time its been done with the same result, so I'm pretty sure my engine doesnt have much carbon build up. Air filter is brand new as well as of 2 weeks ago.

Exhaust is in great condition, new CATS as of 1.5 years ago, new muffler about 4 years back, and new mid pipe about 6 months back. O2 sensors are both brand new as of 1.5 years ago. So.. everything is pretty new.

The fuel filter is a possible suspect.. maybe I will need to check into that.

[Soul Shinobi]

I'd think the light weight engine parts would certainly make it harder to notice, I'd think you'd really have to get on it and try to get the engine to move to notice an upgraded response over those mods. Seafoam will foul up spark plugs as it breaks up crap in the engine, you might want to replace them now. Wish I could test drive your car for you. :razz:

[98legwag]

I am thinking about doing this. My question is for my 98 2.2L would I need to get spark plug wires too?

[Soul Shinobi]

The style you have will work, but you really should upgrade them because they'll probably degrade quickly with the higher voltage.

[98legwag]

The style you have will work, but you really should upgrade them because they'll probably degrade quickly with the higher voltage.

When I do this I will do spark plugs and wires too.

[Soul Shinobi]

NGK or Magnecor wires are the quality ones people typically use.

[nikolaus.conrad]

i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1
ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

This is a PHASE 1 coil pack

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

This is a PHASE 2 coil pack

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

Can you post these pics again please?

[98legwag]

For a 2.2L NGK' s website says I need the FX61 for wires. These will still work with MSD coil right? I'm planning on doing this soon.

[Navi271]

Here are those pictures again, not the exact same but similar.

"phase 1"
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/04/reps504601_updated2_1ft-1.jpg

"phase 2"
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/04/reps504603_updated2_1ft-1.jpg

Using quotes because it's not entirely correct. They mixed them up on the later years. So take this with a grain of salt. Otherwise this just shows the different coil packs that were used on our 2nd gen cars. The MSD coil uses wires made for the "phase 2" coil pack.

And with the wires, I'll try to clear up some confusion. So you have differences at both ends. Some years have different plugs for the coils, others are different on the opposite end where they plug into the spark plug because of being a 2.2L or 2.5L engine. You just need to get the right ends for your application. From what I see, here are some NGK wires that should work with the MSD coil:
2.2L - FX61

2.5L - FX50

Limited choices eh? Not sure about the FX58 set of wires. On the NGK website they're listed on 2.2L and 2.5L engines in 1999. I'm drawing a blank on that one.
Anyways, do lots of research before buying!!! This is only here to help, but make sure you double and triple check to make sure it will fit the MSD coil and plug into your engine! I'm not responsible for a wrong purchase.

This is kinda a re-post actually, sorry.

98legwag those should be the correct wires.

[Wiscon_Mark]

Navi - 99 was the weird year where they went PhaseII with the EJ22 and partial PhaseII with the EJ25 engine which is why the number is different.

[98legwag]

I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.

[Navi271]

I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.

Pretty much sums up exactly how my car felt when I drove it for the first time after installing this mod. Yay for non-conflicting results!

[98legwag]

I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.

Pretty much sums up exactly how my car felt when I drove it for the first time after installing this mod. Yay for non-conflicting results!

Rubie25_GT did the coil without changing spark plugs and wires yet and said he got the same results. His spark plugs weren't that old.

[Surlycamera]

What range of years will this mod fit on? I bought all the parts for my BG but I'm looking at buying a BH (2004 L wag 2.5). Anyone know if this is the same deal?

[nikolaus.conrad]

What range of years will this mod fit on? I bought all the parts for my BG but I'm looking at buying a BH (2004 L wag 2.5). Anyone know if this is the same deal?
I don't think it will work because the 3rd Gen Legacy has 4 wires running to the coil pack. My car has only 3. I was just at a meet and a fellow SLi'er asked and I said no. I could be wrong though.

@Navi- Thank you for posting those pics!! I just finally saw this thread with replies today!

[98legwag]

Pretty sure it only works on the 2nd gen (BD/BG/BK).

[Navi271]

@Navi- Thank you for posting those pics!! I just finally saw this thread with replies today!
You're welcome! Glad to help out

And since I'm here, it's almost been 3 years since I did this and everything still works perfectly.

[Aluxes]

I know this is an old thread but, Im doing this mod and I got some Magnecor plug wires. I put them on before I got the coil and noticed an improvement. Quicker starting, smoother idle, and a slight increase in MPG. I think that these wires are the best investment because 1. these wires dont wear out. Most likely you wont ever need to buy another pair of wires for your car. 2. These wires are designed to deliver the maximum voltage from your coil to your plugs. They are also red and match the coil :) The cheapest that I have found them is on Amazon.

[Sambo]

I just did this mod it wasnt to difficult ! but no my problem is the spark plug wires. I bought some that i were told were the right ones for my car but when i pulled my plugs out i realized they were definatly not. the NGK ones i bought are about a 2 inch longer than the ones that were on my car now. Anyone know anything about that?



Revized >> I had to get 99 GT plug wires to work... now i have some other NGK wires that i dont know what to do with.


Car Runs AMAZING. all the different problems i had like the sputtering startup and acceleration are all back to normal if not better than normal. i will be taking it on the freeway tomorrow to see if anything happens from it.

[fogls]

Just finished this mod on my 98 GT Limited. Everything in this thread was spot on. Paired the MSD coil With some NGK wires for my car and a plug sourced from a Neon in a junk yard. Wired it up just as stated and was perfect on start up. Thanks for the write up.

[joshmikesad]

still trying to figure out the wiring. some people have the coilpack mounted with the connector on the right and some people have the coil pack connector on the left.

So which is which?
Wouldnt the outer two wires need to be swapped if rotating the coil pack one way versus the other?

Any help greatly appreciated as Im trying to install this today.

What would happen if the outer two wires wwere wrong and the car was cranked?

[meepers]

the coil pack plug is supposed to face the passanger side of the car. if you rotate the pack to have the connector on the driver side, you must swap pins 1&3 when you wire it up. If you have it wrong, the plug will fire out of phase and will backfire. simply rotate the coil, or change the outside pins, or swap wires for 1/3 2/4

[joshmikesad]

the coil pack plug is supposed to face the passanger side of the car. if you rotate the pack to have the connector on the driver side, you must swap pins 1&3 when you wire it up. If you have it wrong, the plug will fire out of phase and will backfire. simply rotate the coil, or change the outside pins, or swap wires for 1/3 2/4

Thats exactly what I was saying, in the OP the pics show the connector on the driver side and states "wire for wire".
So, In order to install with the connector on the passenger side (as that stock coilpacks are mounted), one must swap the outer wires.
I installed my pack yesterday with connector on passenger side, swapped the outer wires as my intuition suggested and it fired right up.
See Pic Below (clipped harness from oil Subaru Coilpack, mated with clipped harness for Neon Coilpack)...
PS Nevermind the wirenuts; that was too test and confirm. Have since been soldered.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2014/11/DSC00295-1.jpg

Also, IMO, it is too messy to mount the MSD with the connector on the driver side.
We already have two sparkplug wires with 90 degree bends and the throttle cables over there.

[leggyD]

Any opinions on how much room you have between pack and hood? Im asking because i would like to do this but dont know if i would have enough clearance with my 8mm manifold spacers

[leggyD]

so d1gi did you find the answer? cause im wondering the same thing with my 98 leggy. I have the 8mm pheno spacer so that was my concern!

[joshmikesad]

I am not sure about clearance. I do think it varies between models, as I have heard Legacy Outbacks, which I have, have more room.
I can try to measure mine when i get a chance.

[leggyD]

Would def be an interesting to thing to know.

[Reason]

It rubs on the padding, no problems.

[LeggyxPower]

My stock coil pack has male ends on it is there still a voltage difference between a oem neon coil pack vs mine


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