New 2010 Legacy arrived today.... [Archive] - Subaru Legacy International

RedEvilWgn

06-15-2009, 10:04 PM

....in ruby red pearl.

Yep, we have one, and it's a limited trim one. when I go to work tomorrow I'll take pics I promise.

It looks like a nissan from the front, and a lexus from the rear.

Single exhaust
no fog lights (even on the limitied! wtf!?)
the seats are comfortable as FUCK
the wood trim looks cheap as hell
the engine has 1 serpentine belt now, no more v belt setup
it has the 5EAT tranny in it
and all legacies, base or whatever will have sunroofs standard. which is weird as hell.

more details to come, and if you guys want to know anything feel free to ask I will try to find out!

pics tomorrow!

2.5GT

06-15-2009, 10:20 PM

Take pics of the engine bay :grin:

d1giPhux

06-15-2009, 10:23 PM

Sounds like.. well.. not a subaru. thats sort of sad.

KAG

06-15-2009, 10:23 PM

Yeah, we've all known what it looks like :smt078

Your information doesn't add up though. The 3.6L H6 came with the 5EAT and dual exhaust. The 2.5i Limited comes with CVT and single exhaust. I'm going to kindly guess it's a 2.5i, and you mistakenly took the CVT for the 5EAT :smt002

RedEvilWgn

06-15-2009, 10:34 PM

indeed I am incorrect, as i rethought what I just posted lol

I will say one thing, there's some weeeeiiiird shit under the hood.

there's a mount at the front of the engine now, and the trans mounts are at the sides of the tranny almost near where it bolts to the engine, and they are HUGE.

however, there is a bit more room in the engine bay, and it almost looks like you can do the t-belt without removing the fans.

Im not holding my breath on that one though lol

geckoboy86

06-15-2009, 10:38 PM

i cant wait to see these. *waits on pics*

birukun

06-16-2009, 12:15 AM

That is some ugly sh!t. I just looked up the pics online.

Subaru Altima. Barf!

Still loving the look of my 99. I think a new forester is in my future........

RedEvilWgn

06-16-2009, 06:03 PM

HUGE LETDOWN ALERT.

I'm wicked sorry guys, but the owner's wife is using the fricken thing as a demo :(

so she didnt end up coming in today so I couldnt take pics, but she might be here tomorrow.

again i'm wicked sorry, I thought the damned thing was going in the showroom.

decke48

06-16-2009, 06:40 PM

im not a fan of them, saw the outback and the 2.5i at WBM, wasnt impressed at all. it was only comfortable to sit in the seat, made you forget it was a nissbaru altileg

Sarra

06-16-2009, 06:44 PM

If you get a Legacy with the manual, it'll have a 6 speed manual regardless of turbo or NA. I also read that they are using cable shift, instead of a metal shift linkage. Huge letdown there. Super long throw shifter. The 6MT is akin to the 6MT they put into the Turbo Diesel in EU-ville, it's a standard 5 speed that has an additional gear added, and 'slight strengthening'. How strong it will really be is anyone's guess.

And Subaru will be offering a 'short shifter kit', which includes cables. What a PITA. The failboat has arrived. :(

RedEvilWgn

06-16-2009, 06:56 PM

It was bound to hit the legacy (the failboat). First they came out with the Tirbeca, which is a pile of shit, then they ruined the impreza/wrx/STi.

ugh at least they improved the forester.

Bdubs

06-16-2009, 09:48 PM

You're not missing out if anyone hasn't seen pics. It really is plain. I'm still gonna try one out, but the chances of me buying this generation Legacy are pretty slim.

I test drove an 09 Volvo S40 R-design AWD and that car was awesome. I'm in love. But, the only thing lacking is a 6spd. :-?

decke48

06-16-2009, 11:06 PM

8baal

06-17-2009, 09:59 AM

i think the new legacy doesnt look at all like a subaru, hell the new Mercedes GLK looks more like a subaru than the new legacy.. it sort of looks like a forester now :lol:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2339/mercedesbenzglkfreeside.jpg http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1043/forester.jpg

RedEvilWgn

06-17-2009, 09:52 PM

It was bound to hit the legacy (the failboat). First they came out with the Tirbeca, which is a pile of shit, then they ruined the impreza/wrx/STi.

ugh at least they improved the forester.
i like the tribeca's both styles, the 09 wrx/sti is decent looking, the new forester is good, much better like the older styles

ugh sorry man, but I haven't met a tech yet who thinks anything positive of the Tribunker. They have poor rear visibility, they're overweight, and the third row seating is a joke. nevermind how ugly they are.

I just wish I had the huge brakes off of one.

The impreza looks like a camry and focus had a drunken mishap, and no one will admit to it. they are boring as hell, and they drive like shit too.

BUT!!!

To each there own, because if some people didn't like em enough to buy em, I wouldnt have a job fixing them ;)

and neither the owner nor his wife was in today, so no pics yet :(

I PROMISE I WILL GET PICS!!!!!

RedEvilWgn

06-18-2009, 05:58 PM

PICS!!!!!!! (taken with my sidekick so excuse the quality.....

IT HAS AN ELECTRONIC EBRAKE! WTF?!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00159.jpg

note the new front engine mount, and the massive side tranny mounts....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00168.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00166.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00165.jpg

interior/exterior shots...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00160.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00161.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00162.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00163.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00169.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00158.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00157.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00156.jpg

engine bay shot....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00164.jpg

serpentine belt system... :( :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/redevilrps13/IMG00167.jpg

Okin DaVanh

06-18-2009, 06:36 PM

PICS!!!!!!!

engine bay shot....
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

:smt017 I got a feeling the Lego theory will be tested here (w/ some modding of course) and someone will try an earlier Phase 1 GT intake piping. :shock:

Honestly, It'll take some getting used to and someone modding 1 for anyone to see the potential it has.

Not my thing, But a set of 19's and a lowered stance will round out the "look" as the GT version (as always :roll: ) will probably see some mild exhaust upgrades available a.s.a.p. too, and then the rest; sways/e-management/ Turbos/ intakes other body mods etc...

Time will tell, but for now it looks like time is still going forward for Subaru.

Airgne

06-18-2009, 06:44 PM

that thing looks like a camry that has been beefed up. look at the size from the 09 to the 10 its huges(not what she said).

BlackBK

06-18-2009, 07:12 PM

WOW!!! what a step down from previous generations, no offense to the OP but why did you buy this monstrosity???

Bdubs

06-18-2009, 07:21 PM

WOW!!! what a step down from previous generations, no offense to the OP but why did you buy this monstrosity???

I don't think he bought it, he works for a Subaru dealership and it's being used as a demo.

Good pics, haven't really seen too many shots of the engine bay and interior. Still not caring for the overall design.

2.5GT

06-18-2009, 07:29 PM

Trash. Complete trash.

It's aim for big fat ass Americans.

scubydu

06-18-2009, 09:36 PM

:smt011

8baal

06-19-2009, 12:08 AM

WOW!!! what a step down from previous generations,

agreed i dont know what they were thinking and whats up with that e-brake? :lol:

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/06/77112007ToyotaCamry-1.jpg
the all new subaru camry

A1Fiddler

06-21-2009, 02:04 AM

That is awful. They took the Camry and raped and molested it. And electronic e-brake? WTF

Airgne

06-21-2009, 05:41 AM

That is awful. They took the Camry and raped and molested it. And electronic e-brake? WTF

its for lazy ass ppl.

Reason

06-21-2009, 05:51 AM

Ugly... I wouldn't buy a Legacy past 06.

Okin DaVanh

06-21-2009, 10:01 AM

And the newer generation of Legacy owners probably wouldn't buy anything less than an '05.

Either way, I'm gonna wait a little while before passing judgment. I do agree with a lot of the new cars looking similar.

The new Accord, Camry, Legacy and some of the German makes (Jetta) almost all look alike. Times are changing, and so aren't design trends and regulations.

Looks is 1 thing, but how does it perform? In real world situations I mean.

1-3-2-4

06-21-2009, 11:18 AM

I did not know Subaru made water bottles :P

Airgne

06-21-2009, 06:51 PM

no model come with a turbo(in america), so they are back to the n/a.

1-3-2-4

06-21-2009, 07:03 PM

First Gen redux? Turbo model goes on a 10 year hiatus?

RedEvilWgn

06-21-2009, 11:11 PM

the GTs will come turbo and in 6 speed only.

now dont get your hopes up, because it isnt the STi 6 speed, its quite literally the regular 5 speed with an extra gear squeezed in somehow.

Airgne

06-22-2009, 01:41 AM

was told wrong, read and say that.

Wiscon_Mark

06-22-2009, 09:14 AM

Yeah, but besides the loss of the turbo, the 2nd generation wasn't an ugly, awful looking POS.

I don't know, we'll see what people say when they own some of these, but there are some changes in there that don't look good.

Bdubs

06-22-2009, 03:50 PM

I just noticed, whats with that stupid ass AWD badge on the trunk? Are 4 badges enough now, or can we fit more on there?

RedEvilWgn

06-22-2009, 03:55 PM

funny you should mention that, as the 2010 foresters now also have the "symmetrical AWD" badging as well.

We dont have any 2010 Tribunkers yet, nor any 2010 imprezas yet, so I'm unsure whether theyre getting the stupid badge treatment too.

1-3-2-4

06-22-2009, 04:03 PM

I just noticed, whats with that stupid ass AWD badge on the trunk? Are 4 badges enough now, or can we fit more on there?

Took forever just to get the Subaru logo up....

I wonder if having the wording "symmetrical AWD" costs more then just having AWD when they make it..

Huffer

06-22-2009, 04:11 PM

no model come with a turbo(in america), so they are back to the n/a.

According to Joe Spitz:
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy2010.html

And according to Subaru America.
http://www.subaru.com/company/news/lega ... specs.html (http://www.subaru.com/company/news/legacy2010-specs.html)

RedEvilWgn

06-22-2009, 04:56 PM

so its like I posted earlier, the GT is turbo, and will b e a six speed only.

but again, it isnt the STi six speed, it's the 5 speed manual with an extra gear squeezed in.

subba

06-22-2009, 06:14 PM

*simons accent* the car looks like utter garbage

jey

06-22-2009, 08:39 PM

I just looked at the pricing for the first time today. The GT has always turned me off since it was near $30k and there's no wagon, but prices on the H6 version have been diving since 2008.

List $24995, $695 destination, $25690 total for a 2010 Legacy with the 3.6L H6 and the 5EAT VTD w/ limited-slip rear.

And it makes 256 hp on regular gas. That's a good deal! Now that's a Legacy I just might take over a Forester.

8baal

06-23-2009, 05:16 PM

i was just browsing on the web and came across a 2010 legacy wagon? is this supposed to be a concept? im confused :lol:

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Subaru-Legacy_Wagon_JDM_2010_photo_03.jpg

scubydu

06-23-2009, 07:08 PM

I think they are still making the wagons, just not for us good ole Americans :smt012
(notice the RHD on all these cars and the B4 license plate)

Huffer

06-23-2009, 07:08 PM

Wagon was discontinued in the USA. It's still sold elsewhere. But by golly that's a fugly butt.

RedEvilWgn

06-23-2009, 09:27 PM

official word from Subie is the wagon is allllllllllllll done, except for the outback.

chaksq

06-23-2009, 11:21 PM

I saw both the 2010 Legacy and 2010 Outback in person at the New York International Auto show. Sat in the Legacy, felt nice... too nice. Like a luxury car. I do consider the Legacy slightly upscale but not that much. I'm disappointed with where Subaru has been heading, first the Impreza and now the Legacy. My mother has the new style Impreza, and while it is nice because it is new, it is rather bland and almost boring.

98outbackpdx

06-24-2009, 02:14 AM

in the red it reminds me of a hyundai sonata. it might be ok to be bland, i read somewhere that eco cars are not pulled over as often as say a WRX. just my two cents.

8baal

06-25-2009, 11:59 PM

in the red it reminds me of a hyundai sonata. it might be ok to be bland, i read somewhere that eco cars are not pulled over as often as say a WRX. just my two cents.

gotta agree with you on that my legacy is invisibile to cops, it great my buddy who has an 08 mustang will get pulled over while im going faster than him on the highway :lol:

RedEvilWgn

06-26-2009, 04:26 PM

we got a new outback today.....UGH IT'S HORRIBLE!!!

the plastic side cladding looks right off a chevy avalanche.

its...just....awful.

ScoobySnack

06-26-2009, 05:02 PM

Why does it look like a Lexus is350?

Benfolio

06-27-2009, 07:28 AM

we got a new outback today.....UGH IT'S HORRIBLE!!!

the plastic side cladding looks right off a chevy avalanche.

its...just....awful.

Well, someone has to pick up where Pontiac left off....

RedEvilWgn

06-27-2009, 09:01 AM

kyle86na

07-03-2009, 11:26 AM

we got a new outback today.....UGH IT'S HORRIBLE!!!

the plastic side cladding looks right off a chevy avalanche.

its...just....awful.

Well, someone has to pick up where Pontiac left off....

BUT WHY US?! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :smt010 :smt010

at what cost man, AT WHAT COST!?
We got a crystal black one yesterday, and it drives like a dream. the CVT is awesome, I am going to sell a metric ton of these new Legacies and Outbacks. I am excited about them, and you should be too, otherwise you wont make any money off them ;)

RedEvilWgn

07-03-2009, 03:18 PM

um I'm a Technician. please don't lump me in with your kind.

I would rather get herpes than sell cars, i could never be that scummy.

and I only make money if they break. if they don't break I go broke.

so yeah, I'm not excited because theyre ugly and bland as fuck. subaru has lost it's testicles somewhere....perhaps in the 16% (i could be wrong here) that toyota owns of them??

and before someone goes on the "oh you're a dealer tech, you're just as bad as a salesman" save it. I only recommend things a car needs, and I only fix that which is broken. nothing more.

yes there alot of dishonest techs, but I AM NOT one of them. I pride myself on that. I fix cars because it's my passion, not for the money. if i wanted to do something for the money I wouldve finished pursuing my english/psychology degree.

so there. /endrant.

Benfolio

07-03-2009, 03:55 PM

Well if sales can't sell cars, there won't be any to break. Take it from the middle man, who supplies the parts for the broken cars that sales sold. :smt006

Huffer

07-03-2009, 04:54 PM

if i wanted to do something for the money I wouldve finished pursuing my english/psychology degree.

OT, but I majored in one of those and minored in the other. I know technicians that make waaaay more than me. *shrug*

rougeben83

07-03-2009, 06:04 PM

I for one welcome our new camry overlords...

http://z.about.com/d/alternativefuels/1/0/Y/7/-/-/07_08Camry_Hybrid.jpg

SpeedmanRC

07-03-2009, 07:12 PM

yeah, i've only seen the outback and the cladding on the side just looked out of place

and with the Turbo being only a manual, do you think that will drive more sales to the 3.6R, being some owners are going to want more power but are maybe older or don't want to deal with a manual in a big city. so the sales person just tells them to get the 3.6R?

RedEvilWgn

07-04-2009, 12:23 AM

Well if sales can't sell cars, there won't be any to break. Take it from the middle man, who supplies the parts for the broken cars that sales sold. :smt006

ah so THATS what you do!

i wondered why the box o'parts came from a mazda dealer!

:smt006 :smt026

parts personnel rock my socks.

Benfolio

07-04-2009, 08:53 AM

jey

07-06-2009, 01:25 PM

and with the Turbo being only a manual, do you think that will drive more sales to the 3.6R, being some owners are going to want more power but are maybe older or don't want to deal with a manual in a big city. so the sales person just tells them to get the 3.6R?

I would think H6 Legacy sales would definitely go way up - the price point has dropped quite a bit again, they start at $25690 now, less than the turbo 4 ever was.

Bdubs

07-06-2009, 09:12 PM

With the H6 being more powerful than ever before, I'm sure that's what most people are going for. The 3.0R actually did quite well for the past couple years, to my surprise.

Wiscon_Mark

07-06-2009, 09:36 PM

I would not mind a Subaru with the grunt of a 6 cylinder engine.

But a 5 speed would be nice.

nipper

07-06-2009, 10:10 PM

You guys don't get out much do ya? A lot of the discussion has been out and about for quite some time.

The big engine mounts are because there is a new subframe to reduce engine vibration. There is also a new rear subframe too. Aparently the "overlords" want the soobys to be as smooth as toyotas. SUbarus havent had V-belts in quite some time, they have had flat belts.

The CVT tranny I will wait untill someone logs over 100K on one. They have come a long way, but seeing how a sooby 4eat can last well over 300K with proper maint, i am not too sure if a CVT can do this.

The electronic parking brake is where alot of them are going. It is nothing new, but it sucks.

I like the looks of the legacy's, but that pic of a wagon is godawful.

Can one of the other posters look into the owners manual, and see if there is a real-time method to monitor the engine temp on the central info panel (or whatever they call it).

The new outback no longer looks like a wagon. It looks to much like a crossover that came late to the party. I know it is larger on the insdie, smaller on the outside, and lower in cost, but now it looks like so many other cars on the road.

nipper

PS Asutrailia and Japan are getting this outback, but it is going to be "thinner" for thier market.

RedEvilWgn

07-07-2009, 06:02 PM

my uncle was looking at cars yesterday and I took him for a ride in the brand new outback...

.....holy shit that CVT is SMOOTH.

Mikey97D

07-08-2009, 08:07 AM

I'll need to see one in person before passing judgement and even then my impression changes with time.

It looks like they have a plastic ABS type intake manifold. Was that on previous years?

Nipper - I was thinking the bigger motor/trans mounts was to reduce noise. I remember you mentioning it on subaruoutback.org that there was requirements to reduce interior noise. I believe it was while mention the Saabaru.

Will the H6 have the CVT tranny? I'm kinda skeptic on those transmissions although I see their value for gas mileage. I just wouldn't want to tow my little trailer with one.

Also, I see the H6 having similar power to the GT, but runs on regular gas. Too bad it doesn't come in a manual transmission, but not needing super unleaded will make the car sell better than the GT, IMO.

Huffer

07-08-2009, 10:08 AM

It looks like they have a plastic ABS type intake manifold. Was that on previous years?

Yeah, 2005 was the first year Subaru started making plastic IM's on the vehicles. I think the WRX/STi kept the metal one.

jey

07-08-2009, 10:38 AM

Will the H6 have the CVT tranny? I'm kinda skeptic on those transmissions although I see their value for gas mileage. I just wouldn't want to tow my little trailer with one.

Also, I see the H6 having similar power to the GT, but runs on regular gas. Too bad it doesn't come in a manual transmission, but not needing super unleaded will make the car sell better than the GT, IMO.

No, the 5EAT only. But with VTD and the limited slip rear diff I think that's a great package.

nipper

07-08-2009, 10:41 AM

Nipper - I was thinking the bigger motor/trans mounts was to reduce noise. I remember you mentioning it on subaruoutback.org that there was requirements to reduce interior noise. I believe it was while mention the Saabaru.

Will the H6 have the CVT tranny? I'm kinda skeptic on those transmissions although I see their value for gas mileage. I just wouldn't want to tow my little trailer with one.

.

Yes they went to the toyota theory of engine vibration, that you should forget you even have one under the hood. CVT has been around in enough cars to prove the concept works, and they are starting to hit the 100K mark, but those are not chain driven like subarus. At leats the paddles work anytime, you dont have to have the car in sport mode to use them.

nipper

Navi271

07-09-2009, 07:08 PM

saw the first 2010 legacy for sale on ebay today, kinda funny there's already one on there

birukun

07-09-2009, 07:22 PM

I pulled up behind a Justy today, and remembered Subaru's first try at CVT. (80s?)

rougeben83

07-09-2009, 08:50 PM

I pulled up behind a Justy today, and remembered Subaru's first try at CVT. (80s?)

cvt's have been around for a while, its just that it's only been now that the engineering and materials development has progressed to allow them to handle high hp applications for long periods of time w/o any serious maintenance.

ltdisher

07-28-2009, 10:08 AM

I still have to see one in person I suppose, but from the pictures, I still say that the back end looks just like a GS Lexus. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but they could have been more creative. Good to see the interiors have taken a step in the right direction though (although almost any interior is better than my 2000 Subie).

RedEvilWgn

07-28-2009, 07:36 PM

drove a new 3.6R sedan today....

....the power delivery is very very smooth, even with the 5EAT transmission, but the car is just fucking BORING to drive. It rides smooth like buttttaaaah, but handles like wet noodles, just like the imprezas do now.

who the hell is tuning the suspensions for subie now? buick?

Mikey97D

07-29-2009, 08:03 AM

who the hell is tuning the suspensions for subie now? buick?
Those engineers had to find a job somewhere.

Bdubs

07-30-2009, 07:40 PM

Checked out a dark blue 2.5i Limited today at a little dealer here in CT. I sat in it, but had no time to take it for a spin. Not bad, still unsure about what my next subaru will be.

decke48

07-31-2009, 05:18 PM

i drove by a 2010 outback today. and said is that a forester? coming up to it (in the opposing lane), ohh wait no. it was the first one ive seen on the road

RedEvilWgn

08-19-2009, 10:24 PM

did a sticker on a new outback today, apparantly theyre the BR chassis now lol the first few of the vin was 4s4BRB hahahaha

slesz

09-09-2009, 04:49 PM

could you post US prices for legacy/outback 2010?
i wonder how much cheaper they are in states :wink:

Bdubs

09-09-2009, 05:20 PM

Just check edmunds.com or cars.com, they will have the MSRP and everything else for you there.

95USsubaru

09-09-2009, 05:46 PM

eugh..... why subaru... i mean, why not just come back out with another baja? at least they were interesting. but no, instead they redesign all the cars pretty much. i get the idea that they are trying to compete against toyota and nissan and volvo n such.... even volks. but damn is that a boring car. smooth as hell (drove one yesterday) but i felt like i was being read a bed time story. and when i "woke up" and got out of the car, i woke up outside of a car thats as boring as my taxes. i believe someone mentioned the STI being a drunken child accident between a focus and a new camry with the body design. Truth.

idk, electronic E-Brake, CVT, body styling. i thought i had a boring car... but damn haha. thats all i gotta say about that. im stickin to my 95 BD till the wheels fall off. and then maybe buying an 06 impreza haha

MarkSubi

09-10-2009, 12:25 AM

WTF! electric ebrake!!

EPIC FAIL!

thats gay as hell. I don't even get how a brake can be electric.

1-3-2-4

09-10-2009, 10:55 AM

ScaryFatKidGT

09-15-2009, 05:51 AM

Because boring looking cars sell.. and more sells for Subaru means more tech in R&D
ha really look at the 1999-2000 eclipse re-design and the pontiac grand am, ford torus, toyota camry, and who wouldn't spend and extra 4 grand and get a cobalt SS over the stock well 90% of the sales are on the BORING lesser moddles and there thinking about killing the SS all .92g's on the skid pad and 0-60 in 5.5s of it

But yea I seriously hate all the electronic smooth quiet car shit every things going to that now they even watered down the STI I mean the only people that buy those are expecting a loud engine and to get smashed over potholes and are willing to trade that to get track performance and handling or they would have just got a WRX or Legacy now the WRX and STI are basically the same after you stick 245's and an intake on a WRX (27 more hp for 150 bucks anyone)

Quiet=heavier=bad
Smooth...usually=less efficient and less out put per liter which means heavier
Electronic shit(E-brake, Steering, brakes, doors)=less feed back, more weight (usually), less driver interaction basicaly for lazy asses... just stick with doors and locks... and seats if ur fat and can't reach to adjust them.

I WANA DRIVE MY CAR NOT FALL ASLEEP IN IT LIKE A LAZY BOY thats what lazy boys and tv's are for

I think subaru is making a mistake and going to have problems the last time they tried to go up against toyota, honda and nissan directly in the late 80's early 90's by making FWD cars it was a total flop and they didn't regain sales till they went back to Standard AWD in 96 and made the 2nd gen legacy and the whatever gen imprezas and the 2.5 RS...