StatGSRs EG33 Wagacy Build Thread (1/20/10 engine is in!!!)

[StatGSR]

Well this is going to be the build thread for my EG33 (svx) swap. For those that don't know i have a 97 Legacy Brighton that will be receiving the EG33.

About the swap... Decided to go a different route than most and stay NA, but i wasn't about to waste my time playing with a 2.2 or even a 2.5 since i knew the 3.3 swap could be done. Mechanically the engine bolts right up, but will require moving the radiator. Options for the radiator include getting a custom one or hacking up the rad support to move it forward. im actually going to try a V mount style rad to see if i can fit it in with out destroying to much of the rad support and if that wont work then i will probably go with a custom aluminum rad.

EG33 is rated at 230 hp 230 lbs tq, thats beyond stock wrx territory if you were wondering.

Costs...
My hope is to keep the total cost under 1500-2000. i got my SVX with 180k and a dead trans for 600 bux. i expect to recoup almost the entire cost of the car after parting it out. the engine is in need of work and needs a new timing and idler set as well as a complete set of timing belt covers. i will also be doing head gaskets and some other seals while i have the chance.

Wiring will be done by my friend Chux at http://www.numbchuxconversions.com . he has done the wiring merge for this several times and i have complete faith in him giving me quality work.

Other items i purchased for the swap include Group N engine mounts and trans mount.

If you got any questions feel free to ask, sadly i think this will be a rather long process given the time i have to work on it, but it will be so worth it once its done. I will be doing updates anytime there is anything worth updating.

As it stands right now, i have the Engine out of the SVX. still need to pull the wiring and trans (to sell) from the SVX before it leaves the garage.

first things first. SVX + Cut exhaust = sex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW3ZDPyx_JY

And heres the pics of what i have so far...
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/08/DSC02697-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/08/DSC02698-1.jpg

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Grayguys GFs new winter beater impreza. Has a bad trans so that's getting swapped out
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/08/DSC02700-1.jpg

The legacy waiting for the new heart...
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/08/DSC02701-1.jpg

[4n70n1n0]

:smt023
Good man! NA all the way. Thread subscribed. I want to see this happen


You wouldn't be able to run a top mount radiator? Since suby's usually had top mount intercoolers wouldn't have enough air flow for a radiator to function as well?

Just an idea, but I have no idea how it would go bout getting it done tho

[green97gt]

is your front bumper support straight?

want to sell it for cheaper then dirt?

and hood emblem if in good shape..

i could even have someone meet you in duluth to pick up.....

omg, this is getting stoopid....

but what material are your seats? in good shape? color?

edit: thanks huffer, i dont even remember posting all this, it was a long night. but am still interested in the parts.

[grayguy]

thats a pretty badass garage your working in...haha

I'm sure he's more than willing to sell all that stuff since everything you listed wanting is in good shape.

I can't wait for this thing to be out on the road!

[Airgne]

alos the suabru h6 motors are closed deck block. so good choice on the build.

[StatGSR]

^ no they are not, they are open deck


green97gt, yes the bumper beam is good, and the seats are black leather and in good shape. pm me if you wana talk about it more.

[Airgne]

im sorry yes i was wrong. they are the thick open deck blocks.

[green97gt]

PM sent.

[Huffer]

I just discovered the shop in NZ that used to do all the work on my Impreza has been building an EG33-powered WRX.
This thread might be useful:
http://www.mapc.co.nz/subaru-imprezsix-project-car/

[Huffer]

and oh snap!
http://www.allwelldrive.net/Projects_drsus.html

http://www.allwelldrive.net/images/Dr.%20SUS/DSCF0882.jpg


Specs:
1999 Subaru Legacy Outback SUS
-Swapped EG33
-New 3.90 5mt swap
-2.5l Engine Mounts
-Custom exhaust
-BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A 215/75/R16
-SVX radiator and fans
-Custom fabricated tube bumper

[StatGSR]

Thanks huffer but i think i pretty much got it figured out. Heard of the Dr. Sus car before, never did find much info about it till now tho.

[winston856]

I don't know if you've specified or if it's been asked.

Wouldn't it be easier to use a '96-'97 SVX to swap because it'd be OBDII as opposed to the '92 OBDI ?

[grayguy]

^"Yeah, but then it'd be a shitty OBDII motor. Also, you still have to completely swap all the wiring around."

That was StatGSR's response while he stands in the kitchen

[StatGSR]

as grayguy said for me earlier, no real benefit to using an obd2 motor, wouldn't make any part of swap easier as far as i can gather (harnesses needs to be completely merged (legacy chassis/svx engine)) and would also eliminate the possibility for me to use the engine tuning that ecutune offers for the SVX.

Using a newer motor would also probably make it harder to find a dirt cheap donor vehicle as well.

progress for today included getting the tranny completly out of the car, also go the rear diff and drive shaft out last time i was working on it.

Got some of the dash taken apart which has been a complete headache, the assembly of the dash on this thing makes no sense at all, you can take a million bolts and screws out and yet nothing ever falls off!!!!

next step will be finishing the wiring removal and getting the SVX outa the garage then ripping into the wagacy, should be a little more exciting once i see things coming together atleast...

[green97gt]

did you get my PM?

and you seem to have the opposite problem of my dads SVX, his dash is so creaky and flimsy.

im going to look into that ecutune you mentioned. got a link?

[StatGSR]

^ yea i got your pm, sorry iv been busy and very forgetful latley... i'll get back to you soon.

ecu stuff is at www.ecutune.com (http://www.ecutune.com)

and if your not already on it check out http://www.subaru-svx.net/forum/ i know the guy who does the ecutune chips is on there i think they even have a forum dedicated to em.

[winston856]

What do you mean by the "shitty OBDII motor" comment? I thought OBDII was better. :-?

What exactly is so shitty about them?

[green97gt]

im currently haggling with a guy about a motor and other various parts..your project has inspired me...and you can never have enough parts.

still interested in seats and bumper support, ESP hood emblem.

let me know fella!

:smt030 :smt026 :smt006

[StatGSR]

well might as well give a little update tho this project has had little attention given to it over the last few months.

SVX is out of the garage and has been almost completely torn apart, shouldnt be much more work to get the rest of the wiring harness out of the car.

Legacy is in the garage. the 2.2 is out and the front end is off the car.

nothing much new with the eg33, i still have to order all the parts for the rebuild. should be doin that shortly. hopfully i can spend a little more time on this and actually have a good update for you guys in a little bit.

[phi11]

is this going to be ready for the deer logde ice race, next year?
(well, it IS next year, lawl)

[StatGSR]

thats the plan phill, not sure how much before, but damnit i REALLY want/need it done by then. i dont think i can handle an ice race without my car. i would just stayin in the cabin crying and drinking.... thats just not healthy...

[anothernord]

Wow I just read this thread! This is way cool!

[LunchBox04V]

Quick question reguarding the EG33's computer. Correct me if I am wrong, but are there any issues with running a engine which was supposed to be used with an automatic trans and swapping it to a manual? I recall something about autos ecu changin the timing on falling RPM. I might be wrong, but thought I who'd ask. I would love to see more with this swap!

[grayguy]

I think that is true about the ecu in most cases, but I'm not sure in this one. When I did an auto-manual swap in a 96' OBS, I didn't have to do anything with the ECU.

On a side note, I really want to see this thing come together. We just bought another SVX to possibly do the same swap in the white 2.5RS posted in the pics above.

[StatGSR]

Engine in for Mock Up! (exhaust & radiator)

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Clearance for Radiator, and this is without the crank pulley and belts on....
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/11/IMG00563200911291759-1.jpg

other updates....
SVX wiring harness is out of the car and stripped. just waiting for the legacy harness.
Timing belt, pulleys and water pump are here...

[StatGSR]

well we pulled the bumper beam tonight to see what we can do with the radiator.

i wont be doing any v mount like i thought, there isnt the space, but i will be able to mount the svx rad vertically just under the hood latch lever (in front of the rad support). looks like this should work excellent and be fairly simple to mount.

hopfully my next update should start getting interesting.......

[grayguy]

Well, Stat's fab work is primarily farmed out to me, and he's out of town for work so here's what I got done tonight.

We figured out that we could use the stock bosses in the Radiator where the condensor is supposed to bolt on to it. This ment adding some tabs to the core support to utilize those bosses.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend2-1.jpg

To get the radiator to fit vertically in front of the support, I had to cut out the pinch weld and front section of the lower support

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend-1.jpg

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend4-1.jpg

I had to cut the 3 lower grill mounts, and the inner most headlights off to get them to fit on. The bumper beam is going to need to be trimmed at the pinch weld to get the Rad sitting vertically as well.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend12-1.jpg

The upper radiator hose is almost perfect! I mounted the rad just low enough to easily get the upper hose on.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend6-1.jpg

On the inner side of the core support, we'll have to wrap the hose and trim a little metal so that the hoses doesn't rub.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2009/12/frontend8-1.jpg

That's all I got done tonight. I'm hoping tomorrow evening I can build the lower mounts and start trimming the bumper beam and the black plastic bumper beam as well.

[grayguy]

AS a referance, the bottom mount is going to look a lot like the lower FMIC mount I put in my BD

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2007/06/FMIC-1.jpg

[StatGSR]

Looks amazing bud! cant wait to get out of the frozen tundra that is ND and get back home to check it out!

[impreza_GC8]

Good work guys! I considered an H6 swap into another Impreza but I think I'll stick with the cars I have and finally go with a standalone EMS on my turbo'ed wagon. Sometime if a suitable car falls into my lap I will do the H6 swap.
Are you doing the wiring yourself or sending the hanrnesses out to be merged?

[dodik]

great work thats going to be one nice machine wen all done, how is the paint holding up on it especially on plastic parts any cracking or as good as new.

[greenspeed]

if I'm right, are the new h6's timing chains actually? cause I was always told the h6's were chained not belted.

Still looks sick. I should do something like that too. Since I refuse to do the sti swap :)

[StatGSR]

Are you doing the wiring yourself or sending the hanrnesses out to be merged?

giving to a local friend of mine who has done the merge several times. www.numbchuxconversions.com (http://www.numbchuxconversions.com)



if I'm right, are the new h6's timing chains actually? cause I was always told the h6's were chained not belted.

Still looks sick. I should do something like that too. Since I refuse to do the sti swap :)

yes the new ones use chains and also dont have a an extra cam gear drive like the eg33 does. they are a much shorter motor than what i am putting in.

[greenspeed]

so less modifacation work to get it to fit in a bd/bg?

[StatGSR]

less mechanical fabrication, you could probably get away with just getting slim fans and mounting them on the back or front. wiring is going to be a bigger pain in the ass most likely. also the EZ30 does have a lower hp and tq output, and will likely be more expensive to source. (i bought my svx for 600 bux with a bad torque converter, i can probably get it all back by parting out the car. we also just bought a front end damage SVX for 300 bux)

[greenspeed]

and you're in D town too. You should Let me pick up that svx from you. I want to do a swap like that too. The h6 would be a way better commuter.

I'll be in wisconsin in a few weeks :shock:

[grayguy]

^ the other SVX isn't forsale, depending on how Stat's swap goes we might put one in my GF's 2.5RS or something.

[greenspeed]

there's two of you. Now should be the time I drop I may be in duluth around the 28th. you guys going to be around?

[team illuminata]

I'm keeping my eye on this build as I've just started one myself only into a 97 Outback. Check it out here:

http://www.teamilluminata.com/Racing/racing.htm

http://www.teamilluminata.com/Racing/Photos/ScoobyEvolution/EG33/DSCN6853.JPG

[StatGSR]

Tonight it Runs
Tomorrow it gets finished (rad support and exhaust)
And Friday it Ice Races! w00t! :grin:

[team illuminata]

What are you doing for a radiator?

[grayguy]

What are you doing for a radiator?

see page 1.

[StatGSR]

Picture Time! Its in it runs....poorly. its missing hard and wont work well, dies frequently as soon as it gets warm, my guess is a vacuum leak and or a bad coil on one of the cylinders. hoping it shouldnt take much more time to get it working good tho!


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oh yea and my new super awesome license plates!!!

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2010/01/DSCN0189-1.jpg

[httrdd]

Looks amazing my friend! I will be getting a bunch of info from ya when I start my project this week. What all do I need to aquire from a svx to do the swap?

[StatGSR]

complete bulkhead harness (engine and whats under the dash), engine and accessories , intake and MAF.

[httrdd]

Do I need the ECU?

[StatGSR]

yes that too

[legacy22]

surprised i havent seen this car since i hit up duluth a lot. lol looks nice i aswell plan on the svx swap!

[grayguy]

^ maybe cause it's been sitting in the garage/yard for about a year?

[StatGSR]

^ haha yea what he said

[robsontuning]

great build!

[JunkerXL]

more pics!!!!! :smt022




:smt020

[robsontuning]

great work!

[Soul Shinobi]

Sub-scribed. :cool: Are there any other cool swaps around here I should be aware of? :razz:

[StatGSR]

thanks for the subscription... hopefully i will have it working before the end of winter this year... and if i do i guarantee epic vids will be made...

[chuckthefuk]

I just got a torque tingle.. It feels very good... but so wrong at the same time.

Keep it up!

-Chuck

[httrdd]

Sub-scribed. :cool: Are there any other cool swaps around here I should be aware of? :razz:

Uuuhhhmmm! Check sig. :wink:

[Soul Shinobi]

Will do. :cool: I cannot see a damn thing with these on.

[SeriousSubaru]

Subscribed

I am working on one too... right now I am hung up on finding inexpensive engine rebuild parts for my EG

also I am going stand alone to save me the hassle of working a full harness

[httrdd]

Cool man make a thread!

[99' legacy l]

supercharge it

[Wiscon_Mark]

Interesting. The list of threads says there was a post in this thread on September 6th, but I cannot see it.

Free bump anyways, I'd like to know what happened with this!

[httrdd]

Yea I saw that too. Get on this project!

[grayguy]

The sept 6th post simply said "supercharged it!"

Life seems to be getting in the way of this project, I believe he said this past weekend that he had all the stuff to hopefully fix his overheating issues so he can maybe trouble shoot it more...but he thinks he popped the head gaskets.

[httrdd]

Ouch I am going to do mine again before I finish the supercharger. Hope it all comes togeher.

[nikolaus.conrad]

Bump for updates?

[StatGSR]

would you like a picture of it sitting in my garage chillin? i can do that.....

I am full of fail....... :(

essentially the project has been at a stand still for 2 years. last time it was run, it would not idle once it was warm, and then it over heated. It also has some wiring stuff that needs to be sorted out.

I have bought an inline thermostat to relocate the thermostat to the top of the engine (suppose to help with cooling issues with these engines), the radiator needs some patch work i think. i need to steal the spare power steering pump from the other svx and put that in, will probably replace the crank pulley back to oem to see if that will help with my idle stall issues. need a new fuel pump, will probably go walbro 255. will probably change up the intake configuration a bit to see if that helps it run better.

basically what it needs is just some attention, time, and a little bit of money.

[httrdd]

I will trade you pullies if yours is stock lightweight.

[StatGSR]

its a group A pulley but i probably want be looking to sell it until i know i will never use it again