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    Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    I am starting the process of completely a 5 speed swap in my legacy. I have read the resources that are posted up referring to the swap, but I would like reactions from people who have done it to their cars. What would you have done different? Was there anything you would tell the next person what to do differently? Hope this can be a resource some day in the future. Thanks!

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    If you're going to do the hardened shifter bushings, and/or the updated shifter linkage (for more availability of short shifters), it's a good time to do it now before the tranny is in.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Short shifter!!
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by GTDrifter
    Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender
    Id like to know more about this. I thought you just ground one of the pins on the ecu and it thinks its a manual?

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Harry I'm not getting a parts car when I have the majority of the parts.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    What all do you have...last you told me you were getting the trans and rear diff lol

    Also csweston you could do it that way but I like it looking factory

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Right now I have...

    Trans
    Rear Diff
    Clutch
    Pressure Plate
    Flywheel
    manual starter

    and for sh$$ and giggles a new alternator.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    So you still need a pedal set, hard line, soft line, master, slave (if doing hydro), front half drive line (I think they are different)...

    At least thats the parts I can think of from when I swapped my 240...

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    you can use the front axles. I am thinking about using hydraulics, so I will need a slave cylinder.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    My yard is always packed, you and Harry could make a trip up here sometime. Just saying lol
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    I need a pedal assembly, and an ECU from a Phase 1 EJ22 5 speed car.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    why the ecu? i know its easier but i believe some people have did some light wiring and its worked fine. They had a hard time finding an ecu.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by redlegacygt
    why the ecu? i know its easier but i believe some people have did some light wiring and its worked fine. They had a hard time finding an ecu.
    I would like to do it the correct way of swapping ECUs, but if I cant find one then I will jerryrig it! lol
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    I don't know if the legacy's are the same but we did this on my bro's 99 impreza and he had to give up abs and cruise control (I don't know if that matters to you).

    Don't you also need the 5 spd trans xmember?

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    There are a couple of posts about the difference between he ECUs for 5 speeds and autos but I can't remember where they are... PM Chuck, he would know. Also, why an OBDI? Your car should be OBDII lol
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by r3v_v3ng3
    I don't know if the legacy's are the same but we did this on my bro's 99 impreza and he had to give up abs and cruise control (I don't know if that matters to you).

    Don't you also need the 5 spd trans xmember?
    I've heard about that, and thats the reasoning for a manual ECU.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikolaus.conrad
    There are a couple of posts about the difference between he ECUs for 5 speeds and autos but I can't remember where they are... PM Chuck, he would know. Also, why an OBDI? Your car should be OBDII lol
    I'm confused who said anything about OBD1?
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    The manual ecu didn't solve his problem. Its because the TCU is needed for the ABS (i think)
    http://www.rs25.com/forums/f105/t86304- ... -swap.html

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    im pretty sure if you swap ECUs without swapping wiring you lose ABS. the only TRUE way to do a auto->manual swap is to swap all the wiring and the ABS pump.

    the psuedo "do-it-right" way is to tap the wiring/plugs that normally go to the transmission and wire in the clutch/neutral and reverse switches into the corresponding 4eat wiring, so at least you can keep reverse lights and cruise control

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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by elislider
    im pretty sure if you swap ECUs without swapping wiring you lose ABS. the only TRUE way to do a auto->manual swap is to swap all the wiring and the ABS pump.

    the psuedo "do-it-right" way is to tap the wiring/plugs that normally go to the transmission and wire in the clutch/neutral and reverse switches into the corresponding 4eat wiring, so at least you can keep reverse lights and cruise control
    I was having issues with the ABS, so I took out the ABS fuse. I'm not concerned about losing ABS, but I would like to keep the cruise control. I think I'm going to read over the legacy central thread for swapping transmissions this afternoon.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Sorry, read that completely wrong. haha
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    here's a bunch of different info that i've dug up to help. its like i was saying, your ecu should work, its just a matter of the tcu/ abs. If you keep the TCU your ABS will work. To keep the cruise control, you need to wire in the neutral saftey switch so it thinks its in gear not in neutral since cruise control doesn't work in neutral... at least that's what i've gathered from the reading. Hopefully thats not too confusing.

    viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7061

    viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6001


    This is the motherload of all info right here. Hopefully this helps you out.

    http://www.surrealmirage.com/subaru/swap/swap.html
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Posting here cause you guys seem the most knowledgeable yet about the swap. I have a 98lgt auto and have a complete donor car which is a 97lgt 5mt.

    How much of the wiring do I swap and do I need to swap the abs block to get the abs to work correctly?
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by GTDrifter
    Get a parts car, make sure to swap the wiring in the fender
    Well I'm taking Harry's advice, and I'm taking a complete drivetrain swap out of a parts car chevyman and I purchased.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Chad, make sure you check the fsm for 99, where your parts car is a phase 2 the wiring could be different from the essentially phase 1 in the outback.
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    Re: Comments and Concerns for 5 speed swap

    Quote Originally Posted by 86bratman
    Chad, make sure you check the fsm for 99, where your parts car is a phase 2 the wiring could be different from the essentially phase 1 in the outback.
    parts car is a phase 2 5 speed.
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