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Thread: Third Gen Black Faced Meter (BFM) Information - 2015-01-09

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    Quote Originally Posted by hupshall View Post
    I took apart my D type BFM to see about getting the security light to work. Although the circuit actually exists on the circuit board, none of the components are present.



    I populated these components and tested the board:



    The other problem is that the gauge silkscreen doesn't expose the security LED, so I carefully cut out the underlying shape (which was a key)



    I put in translucent red acrylic behind that hole and once installed behind the smoked plastic lens of the BFM, it disappears.

    Here it is all complete



    Seems to work just fine.
    When you populated the board, what resistors, diodes, caps, etc did you use? Soldering in some LEDs is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure what to use to populate the other components which are in the circuit. For example, the Security circuit connects to what's labelled as:

    R409
    D401 (which goes to pin 7 on the 30 pin connector)
    C415 & R410 (which I'd assume sets the time constant for the flashing?)
    the sport shift light bulb socket (easy to source)
    D171
    TR172 (perhaps a A1674?)
    CR512
    R174 (SMD?)
    R175 (SMD?)

    Any idea on these? Can you share where you found a diagram or what you did? It would be very much appreciated. I tried taking apart the USDM cluster I took out of my car and it's a different circuit... I have an Impreza cluster I can rob parts off of but this JDM board is a lot more complex than the USDM boards I've messed with before.

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    I do have a European market cluster which has the security LED preinstalled, so I will take at look at the components there when I get a chance.

    That said, I know that R174, R175, C512, D171, and TR172 are for the sportshift backlight, not the security light.

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    Thanks rkrenicki, much appreciated!

    I was just tracing the lines when I came up with those...I definitely could have traced wrong but I believe that one side of the sport shift light is in line with one of the security light diodes. Please do let me know when you have a chance.

    -Romy

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    Super informative thread! Thanks for all who contributed.

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    Well, after stumbling across this thread, I bit the bullet and bought myself a 85015AE080 cluster for my 2004 H6 LL Bean wagon. My cluster came with about 6 inches of wire as well as the plugs for the three connection on the cluster side. That said, I have a few questions.

    #1 Do the sockets from Mouser include the necessary male pins and a short bit of lead to solder a small gauge wire to? It is tough to tell from the pics and I'm hoping to build an interface harness, as opposed to re-pinning the wiring in my car.

    #2 Are the halo rings supposed to be a very dim beige/brown color? Even at full brightness, by joining C2 & C3, the halo ring colors look pretty "washed out".

    #3 What a good source for the small gauge wiring used in auto harnesses? This looks to be 20-22 gauge wire based on my wire stripping tool.


    Thanks in advance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveZigen View Post
    Super informative thread! Thanks for all who contributed.
    I second that. I'm very excited to get my BFM cluster installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhill1977 View Post
    #1 Do the sockets from Mouser include the necessary male pins and a short bit of lead to solder a small gauge wire to? It is tough to tell from the pics and I'm hoping to build an interface harness, as opposed to re-pinning the wiring in my car.
    The male connectors do have the pins in them, but be very careful soldering to them as the plastic has a tendency to melt. I recommend removing the pins, trimming them down, soldering, heat shrinking, and reinserting them. They just pull straight out.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhill1977 View Post
    #2 Are the halo rings supposed to be a very dim beige/brown color? Even at full brightness, by joining C2 & C3, the halo ring colors look pretty "washed out".
    It looks to me that several of your halo bulbs are burned out. They are quite a bit dimmer than the backlight, but they should be pretty noticeable either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhill1977 View Post
    #3 What a good source for the small gauge wiring used in auto harnesses? This looks to be 20-22 gauge wire based on my wire stripping tool.
    Any electronic store or auto parts store will have it. Otherwise there is always Amazon or even Mouser.com

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    Back to the P0462 Error code on non D type BFM's - Looking at the wiring diagram, it looks like this code gets thrown if the input voltage on the ECU monitoring pin of the fuel gauge circuit drops to 0. Honestly, I'm thinking who the heck cares? I'm going to throw together a simple circuit that just always provides 4v to the ECU monitor pin and see if that stops the code from being thrown. It's always a transient fluctuation in the cluster anyway and why the heck the Subaru decided that having a faulty fuel gauge should throw a check engine light I don't know... I'll report back, the parts are OTW

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    I believe it to be aging solder joints for the connectors on the cluster. I think that the fuel gauge source pin on the cluster has intermittent connection due to a cold/poor solder joint. But, being that I have not worked on an A-C type cluster in quite some time, that is pure speculation.

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    rkrenicki - did you ever get a chance to look at the components on your European market cluster with the Security light?

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    Ah, I had forgotten about this. I pulled it apart and snapped a photo moments ago.
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    I hate to be a pain, but I can't read that SMD capacitor or resistor on that board (C415 and R410). Can you check what they say? At least R410; I'd presume a SMD cap of the same size as the C61-C64 group would work and they don't appear to have values on them. I'm also wondering if there's anything connected to the lower part of that circuit. Specifically in the red circle below:



    Sorry to keep bugging you. I've been trying to buy an Euro cluster off of the UK ebay for a bit now, and the guys parting cars there are super flaky and don't want to send pictures for some reason.

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    Are you asking these sellers for pictures of the inside of clusters?

    As for the parts, decoupling capacitors rarely are labeled with values, but I would guess something along the lines of 0.1uF at 16v. The circled item is a double via, likely connecting to the ground plane of the board. As for the resistor.. I guess I will have to take the cluster apart again. I will try to get to that sometime during the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkrenicki View Post
    Are you asking these sellers for pictures of the inside of clusters?
    I'm simply asking for pictures of the clusters themselves. I just want to confirm it's a black face meter and has no damage.

    Thanks for taking apart your cluster again. My background isn't electrical so this is a learn as you go kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romy View Post
    I'm simply asking for pictures of the clusters themselves. I just want to confirm it's a black face meter and has no damage.
    The BFM was quite uncommon in Europe. It was only on the Turbo B4 in mainland europe, and on the 2002/2003 Outback H6 in the UK. As such, the non-H6 meter is still in Kilometers, but is "LHD" so the inverter box on the back on the opposite side.

    The UK market 2002/03 Outback H6 meter is the only BFM that has an MPH scale, but is only available as an Automatic and the tachometer is tuned for H6 engines.

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    I've been searching for a 85015AE110 or 111 BFM cluster for a while now. I like that it reads in MPH and includes the security light. If you ever decide to sell yours, I'd be interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkrenicki View Post
    The BFM was quite uncommon in Europe. It was only on the Turbo B4 in mainland europe, and on the 2002/2003 Outback H6 in the UK. As such, the non-H6 meter is still in Kilometers, but is "LHD" so the inverter box on the back on the opposite side.

    The UK market 2002/03 Outback H6 meter is the only BFM that has an MPH scale, but is only available as an Automatic and the tachometer is tuned for H6 engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhill1977 View Post
    I've been searching for a 85015AE110 or 111 BFM cluster for a while now. I like that it reads in MPH and includes the security light. If you ever decide to sell yours, I'd be interested.
    I actually do have one available. I currently have three in my possession, and only two cars that can use them. I was going to be listing it for sale at some point, but I havent gotten around to it. I will try to get some pictures later this evening and post it up.

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