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    The "Vehicle Outline" is actually an *output* wire back for the security system and the keyless entry systems. It should output 12V in certain circumstances. The "Polarity" column is more of a note to me about what sort of signal exists on that wire, not necessarily what direction that signal is. The charts are intended to tell you what the equivalent pin is on each model. In this case it should be connected from A23 (US side) to A27 (D-type side).

    I really do not recommend you feed voltages into any pin that do you not know explicitly what it does. That can very likely end up damaging the cluster.

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    Rkrenicki,

    So i shouldn't have any issues related to the illumination dim being "GND" on the A-C Type JDM Non-BFM (A6) and the illumination dim being "12V" on the D Type BFM (B3)?

    I am preparing the harness and noted this difference.

    Also, let me take the opportunity to say thanks for everything in this thread. I wouldn't have the guts to do it if this didn't exist lol

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    Apparently, the images in the thread here are incorrect. I had corrected that on the spreadsheet quite some time ago, but I guess I never took new screenshots for the thread.

    All of the "Illumination Dim" wires are 12v. It is the same circuit as what feeds the radio for its dimming function.

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    hi
    first of all awsome treat this is with a lot of info big complimants

    i have a Tk cluster nr85012060 i want to make a rewire harnas for it to fit my B4 but i cant find a diagram for a 12 060 can you help me with that
    my b4 has a cluster with the nr.15ae020
    big thanks al ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkrenicki View Post
    It is an 85012AE060?
    yes it is sorry i fogot the ae stupid me

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    That would be an "JDM Types A-C Normal" cluster. The pinouts are included in the first post for that kind as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkrenicki View Post
    That would be an "JDM Types A-C Normal" cluster. The pinouts are included in the first post for that kind as well.
    awsome mate thank you

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    Hi guys,

    Great thread so far, looking forward to putting this BFM i picked up yesterday into my 2002 BH9 Aussie Outback. Thought I'd post a picture as it has a different part number than I've seen here so far. I've already placed an order with Mouser for some plugs and pins.

    It came from a 2002 Liberty B4, twin turbo, manual, AUDM. Cluster part number is 85015AE180

    1 question I have is about the box which screws onto the back (I unscrewed it in the photo to see what was underneath it), I'm assuming it is for the original alarm or immobiliser? Can I remove it?
    What size wire have you guys used for the conversion harness? #18 or #20 gauge?

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    The box is the inverter for the lighting. Leave it on.

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    Right, the cluster is not part of the immobilizer on the EU/AU vehicles from that generation.

    I did have this part number on my master list of clusters, but I did not have all of the details since I never found photos of one. Can you tell me what the redline is on there? I cant quite make it out in the photo, but I do see that it is a 240km/h scale.

    Basically, as far as I can tell, it should just be a 240km/h version of the Japanese 85015AE040. It should share the same pinout as the normal JDM D-type clusters, since I know for sure that the UK and EU H6 clusters have the same pinout.

    As for the wire, I generally use 18 gauge since that is what I have on hand, but the power draw on these is quite low.. I am sure that 20 would be fine.

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    Thanks guys, I got some power onto the ignition and ground wires, here's how it looks.

    7500RPM redline (sad cause my motor wont even reach that yet)

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    Yep, that would match what I expected. Basically an 85015AE040 (D-type GT-B/RSK MT cluster) with the 240km/h scale from an 85015AE240 (S401 cluster).

    Thanks for the photo, I have updated my spreadsheet with it!

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    No worries, if there's anything else you want me to check, let me Know. It won't be going into the car until my conversion harness is done, about a week or so..

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    All done!

    If i ever do it again I reckon i'd just re-pin the original plugs, there's not much room for extra plugs and wires! I ended up cutting out the metal brace behind the cluster to give me more room for wires.

    Not sure why but i could not find the wires for the dimmer switch on the turn signal stalk. I ended up just joining the BFM's C2 and C3 illumination wires and grounding the C3 wire.

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    There is a good amount of room on top of the AC duct, as long as you route your wires behind that metal plate.. Otherwise repinning is a great option.. I've done it on three cars now, the last one I removed the dash harness, stripped it all back and made it look as factory as possible... Although that does require that the dash pad be removed from the car.

    Otherwise, looks good! Can't argue with results!

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    Yea I'm happy, cheers for all your info and work you put into this thread.

    I do have 1 last annoying thing, the damn adjustable dimmer!

    I found a wire (A12 on the non-bfm which comes from the "illumination control module") that goes from .1v to 12 when you adjust the lights on the indicator stalk. But it doesn't seem to do anything for the cluster when connected to C2 or 3.

    I can't figure out how the 5v and input wires are actually meant to work.

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