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    Hey now! That's pretty rad.

    What is the camera mounTed to? I know some guys have a harness bar or something as a fixed point. Yours seems to be floating behind ur seat.

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    Thanks! It is floating sort of. It's this mount from Amazon
    https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Vers...etop+jaws+flex
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    Those wheels turned out great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subieadam View Post
    Those wheels turned out great!
    Thanks but after buying them, it seemed suspicious that they had been used with snow tires and were cheap. After spending the winter polishing them but just before buying tires, I took them to a wheel specialist here in Denver and was told and shown that all four were slightly bent. The bill to fix them is $780 so instead they are getting sold-with full disclosure- and hopefully I can get back my costs.
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    I have a feeling you might want more rear bracing in the future. Some ideas to consider:


    or this:


    or even this!:

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    Cars looking great, I want to come hear the exhaust note sometime. (I've been swamped at work and totally away from my car projects, hopefully back at it soon.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepbug View Post
    Cars looking great, I want to come hear the exhaust note sometime. (I've been swamped at work and totally away from my car projects, hopefully back at it soon.)
    You are welcome any time! Also, of the braces above, I'll have the middle one please.
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    $10 Craigslist find. Whiteline GC front strut tower brace. Had heavy corrosion but polished up pretty nice. Of course added four pounds so I'll have to diet to compensate.


    And this Broadway 300mm convex mirror. Ridiculous view and fits between the visors.
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    All dressed up and nowhere to go!

    Did a pre-track inspection today and flushed out my $65 Castrol React brake fluid. It needed flushing as it's been sitting for eighteen months. I was supposed to get to the track last year (and the year before) but no. Replaced it with $18 Redline RL-600. All good until I noticed cracks in the sidewall on one of my tires. They are only 33% worn but dry rotted. I was hoping to get at least one track day on them and then drive to Illinois at the end of this month. I'm reminded that my effing race helmet is now 2 1/2 years old and still new in the box!

    After deciding to buy a make do set of tires and spending a few hours on Tirerack's site, ended up ordering the wrong tires. Stress and exhaustion will do that. Now I need to sort that out in the morning. Track driving is so much easier on Gran Turismo.

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    What tires did you intend to buy from TireRack? Sorry about your misfortunes and having your old set dry-rot out. I am hoping to catch a late season autocross myself
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    Thanks Toby! Sumitomo HTR ZIII max performance summer, 215/45/17 for $70 per tire. These will be the driving to Costco tires when it's warm enough to safely be on them. The wagon may go on jack stands during the worst of the winter. Next spring will hopefully bring a dedicated set of track tires and rims. I've really enjoyed reading your thread and your wagon is amazing! Also we need details and video if possible when you autocross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Mifune View Post
    Thanks Toby! Sumitomo HTR ZIII max performance summer, 215/45/17 for $70 per tire..
    I'm running that exact tire in the exact same size right now on my SSR's. They've been great so far. Awesome for the price. I've not even gotten close to the limits of the traction on the streets. You'll be happy with them. I've been a Pirelli guy forever but for the price these tires are unbeatable. I'll hopefully get a video of sorts from the autocross. I love your wagon as well! I'm still jealous of those Feal coilovers you're running.
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    I'm over my tantrum and so will try to get to the track next Friday. Cool that you have the same tire! The Feals are nowhere near as harsh as I thought they would be. They are only 7F/4Rs where other people are around 10F/10R. My wife even thinks they are reasonable although she still hates my seats:-) Autocross video YES!
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    Feals like the first time

    I finally did it!

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    Bwhaha dude that looks so freakin fun! So many American v8s! Lil miatas are flying! What made the red one spin out? Also love that the guy was thoroughly confused by your windows.

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    That looks like way too much fun! Congrats on going five seconds under your original time goal. There is something so rewarding about driving a slow-car 10/10th's all-out.
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    Thanks guys! I think the Miata was just going too fast off of the straight but I did't see enough to say so probably shouldn't. A BMW driver told me he had done the same thing in the morning with his M3. As far as fast Miatas. I think at least one of them was supercharged and the others were Spec Miata racers. Also I wasn't kidding about the fourteen year old. He said in the drivers meeting that he would be driving and the entire room went "Huh?"

    That BMW instructor told me that my wheels at 7" are too narrow even for the 215s on the track; as did my alignment guy. I was amazed though at how the Sumitomos stuck. They never felt greasy. Not bad for $70 tires!

    I'm planning a couple more weight reduction mods but I think I'll have to break down and do something towards horsepower. Would a header even be noticeable on the 2.2? Header and Delta cams?

    There were two STis at the track and both guys were on their second engine-both blown at the track. They told me not to go boost unless my budget increases exponentially. If 20 flywheel horsepower is doable with n/a mods, combined with R-spec tires, I'd feel a little less like a sitting duck; for a while:-)
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    Two to Three Seconds

    After watching about a million Youtube videos, it can be safely said that I own the slowest lap time at High Plains Raceway; at least among those willing to share their videos. Two to three seconds per lap will get me out of that particular hole. First the rear bar went from medium to full stiff. Of course while down there, the bar was washed and waxed, like you do.
    Correction- Finally found a 1970 Challenger possibly on snow tires lapping slower than me. Yeah!

    Then my '96 Outback donated it's intake to the '97 Legacy for a 4 pound (I know) weight loss and a claimed by the forums 5 horsepower (again, I know) gain. I haven't driven it yet so I can hold onto that dream a little longer. The next move involves spending money so probably post Christmas. To apologize to my Outback for the loss of it's coveted early intake, as I'm not a complete monster, I installed new hatch struts.

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    Haven't really been around the forums lately, but you seemed like you improved a ton throughout the video! I'm gonna play a little bit of armchair racecar driver here but bear with me haha. I don't have the actual driver seat knowledge, but I've got friends racing spec E30, go karts, and drifting who I talk a lot with so hopefully I can pass on some of what I've learned from them.

    From watching the early laps you seemed to leave a bit of track unused to be safe, but you definitely started using more of the track the further into the video, huge time improvement I'd bet. Also since our cars just don't have that much power you're gonna have to carry a lot more momentum into the corners, so really just trying to hold off on the brakes, using as little brake as possible since we don't have the power to accelerate out of turns as a Corvette or something. Seemed like you were starting to get brave with the brakes and staying on the gas more/longer, so you definitely pulled some time out with that too.

    Now this is just speculation, and it really depends on how your suspension is set up, but some of those curbs look huge and probably shouldn't be driven on, but some look doable. If your suspension isn't extremely stiff, I might try on a couple laps to just barely skirt the bottom edge of the curb with the tire and see how the car reacts, if it gets really unsettled then obviously that won't help the lap times, but if the ride height is high enough, and the suspension is compliant enough then you should be able to take a decent amount of curb and get a better line through things like the esses.

    Also, I think somewhere in the video you mentioned the rear of the car getting light under braking, I think that just may be all Subarus in general, my car gets light in the rear when my brakes get warm and I brake aggressively. From everything that I've read about Subaru brakes, a lot of people recommend doing the "H6" rear brake upgrade to help balance out the braking. This supposedly helps the car brake a little flatter so there's not as much weight transfer up front but I can't comment myself. Obviously this all costs money.

    Tires as you mentioned would probably improve your times.

    Good luck next time!
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    Thanks KNaph for your spot on comments. It's definitely a momentum car until some horsepower can be added. Yes, the first session was driven quite slowly, learning the track and shifting around five grand. By the end I just wanted some self respect and flogged the car unmercifully.

    I'll have to go back through some of the Youtube videos and see how others are attacking the curbs. You're absolutely correct that time and speed could be gained there. I'll also take your lead from an earlier post and try the softer front dampening.

    One of my concerns is that on three corners, I had to shift into second to get going knowing that the Subaru 5 speed doesn't like that kind of abuse. I'm toying with the idea of smaller diameter tires to avoid second gear by raising my revs coming out of those three. I'd really like to swap to the 4.11 tranny but not sure if it would be worth the effort. To be honest, I only like working on cars when everything goes well. Usually it doesn't.

    A big concern is the closing speeds of everybody else. I tried to wave them by as much as possible but it would be a blast to actually keep up with..somebody! After telling my wife that a turbo for the track would be a terrible idea for reliability, I find myself secretly looking at TD04s and TMICs on Craigslist. I absolutely don't have the means to do a WRX swap but the low boost EJ22! I swear I 'll keep it to five pounds of boost. Honest! It's a sickness.

    I've already spent ten grand in my mind. In reality, small steps will be all that can be expected.
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    Yeah, I like having the front softer, it feels like it helps the rear end of the car rotate around a bit more, I don't know if it helps with lap times or just driver feel, but a car that feels good is usually a faster one since you're more comfortable pushing the limit.

    Smaller tires definitely help, I don't remember what percentage smaller my tires are, but it definitely livens up the car and gives it better drive out of the corners. One note about that is it may not give you enough of a gearing advantage to stay in 3rd to drive out of those slow corners. What I'm getting at is that you may still have to downshift into 2nd, and having those smaller tires will put you even higher up in the RPM band and puts you in greater danger of a possible over rev or if not that, it just gives you a smaller working window of RPM to play with out of the corners. Like if you're at about 5500-6000 RPM in 2nd coming out of those corners, you're going to probably be at about 5800-6300 and are so close to redline that you may only be able to use 2nd gear for a short amount of time before you're bouncing the limiter and will just have to shift up mid corner.

    I'm not sure if those corners are low or high speed 2nd gear corners though, if you're at like 3500 RPM in 2nd gear through these corners then by all means go for the smaller tire, it accelerates quicker and the car just feels faster because of that so it gets a lot more fun.

    Final drive is probably something I would hold off on though, it would probably help gain back lost time in the corners, and may allow you to reach a higher MPH down the straights but it's kind of a if it ain't broke don't fix it thing.

    And yeah, closing speeds are hard to judge and it's always better to be cautious and let people through but then it destroys your lap time.

    I think honestly any power adder even with minimal gains will help, these cars are so gutless and pretty heavy that almost any gain in power will begin to help. If you're willing to do a cheapish motor build, maybe a Frankenmotor EJ25 block with EJ22 heads and Delta cams? I've heard decent things about those, apparently pretty torquey so it might help out in the low RPMs and then having the Delta cams will give you a boost up high. But now we're talking money so I'll stop putting ideas in your head haha.


    One question, how did the brakes hold up when you were on track? I know they're larger than factory and the pads are pretty aggressive, did you have any issues with temperatures or were they just solid all day, seems like your track has a lot of high speed and heavy braking zones so it should be a good testament to how they work.

    I'm worried about my own brake setup since I can get them to fade on the street. I'm thinking I should be fine for a track day if I just get a track specific pad.
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    I'd have to check my rpms at 35 mph but IIRC those corners were about 2800 rpm if left in third so not much pull. As far as the brakes, they were perfect all day. I've had three previous "track" cars and all with street pads and fluid. For most of that time, there was no internet and I had no car friends so no clue how to set up for the track. Brake fade was always a huge problem but none this time. My guess is that my previous brake problems were from boiling fluid. Slowing from 85 isn't much of a strain although I sure could have gone deeper into the corners for a faster lap. Perhaps next time as my goal was just to survive and hit that 2:45 lap.

    Also I love the coilovers. On soft they feel sporty but very comfortable for the street. The car -a STATION WAGON- felt absolutely planted on the track, especially considering the $70 tires. I've read so many posts saying how horrible coilovers are and almost bought springs instead but wow I'm glad I didn't listen.

    Also the Corbeau seats sure help. Even with standard seat belts, I never had a death grip on the steering wheel or other nonsense to keep from sliding side to side. I was going to buy a seatbelt lock but now I don't think it's needed.

    So in summary, I love my brakes, my coilovers and my seats but my engine sucks:-) My weak, weak budget will probably limit me to wider wheels and possibly a few small things next year. Delta cams would be a fun mod and still work if later a Frankenmotor were to happen. I've been told that changing out the cams on an EJ22 is somewhat easier than the EJ25. Any thoughts on that?
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    Oh, you should be fine to get smaller tires then if that's the case.

    And yeah, I've just been told by so many people like "Oh, you don't want to track your car, you'll boil your brakes and crash" or something along those lines that I started getting really nervous about braking power/temps. Actually now that I think about it, I just got back from a drive and my brakes really only fade because I'm not giving them time to cool, it's usually a lot of heavy braking zones in a relatively short amount of time. Getting more confidence back about them but still a bit weary about it.

    And yeah, I'm really jealous about your Feal coils. My friend just a set custom developed by Odi (the owner of Feal), custom spring rate, damper tuning and I think they're supposed to help Odi R&D a new line for AE86s. The quality of the Feal coils look so nice, even at the base level, and for not much more than what I paid for mine too. Coils will generally always be stiffer than struts/springs but the cool thing is you can soften them up for daily driving or something and it'll be soft enough to not hate yourself, but you've always got the opportunity to turn them up and get more performance.

    And yeah bucket seats, or just seats with bolsters in general are a HUGE difference to the driving experience. When I first put my Recaro in I didn't know how to drive because I wasn't doing the death grip and using my legs to keep me planted.

    One trick regarding the seatbelt lock is this:
    Skip to 11:06, the forum isn't letting me link directly to the time stamp.



    Notice what he does with the buckle, basically just spins the buckle around and it acts like a seatbelt lock, pretty neat trick that I learned from that channel.

    And I have no idea about engine stuff really, I would imagine they're about the same since you're gonna have to drop the motor out either way. I'll have to take a look at my EJ22e block in the garage, I'd imagine the valve cover may be a bit easier to pull off since it's a single cam, dunno though.
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    Thanks for the link. I'll have to try that as free mods are just great. The Nissan brakes you're thinking about should pretty much solve your stopping concerns. Also who knows if the Feals are better than Your BC BRs.

    Your friend is lucky to get Odi's attention. When I ordered mine it was like-send us the money and sit in the corner until something shows up.
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    No problem! And yeah, free mods are the best mods.

    But yeah, my biggest concern is also that since I'm planning the motor build the output should be at least 100 HP more so I'm just worried that when I eventually get that motor built and swapped in, I won't have enough brakes to deal with that amount of power.

    And I just think that the Feals look better in terms of build quality and hardware. I as well as that same friend with the AE86 have had issues with improper valving on he dampers. The compression damping seems perfect, however we both have had issues with the rebound damping. With more entry level coilovers the knob on the top usually only adjusts rebound damping, but I think since I ordered custom spring rates the valving wasn't adjusted for the spring rate so there's not enough damper adjustment to control the shock.

    My car tends to have a bit of a residual bounce in the rear of the car after going over a bump, almost like blown struts, but the thing is it's dampened perfectly for high speed bumps but low speed bumps tend to have that bounce so they're not blown. It's all just a matter of having purchased entry level coilovers, they do their job really well in one area, but they fail in another area. I would definitely prefer a stable car at high speeds and sacrifice comfort/stability in low speeds, but it kind of sucks that having both isn't really a possibility without going much more expensive.


    And yeah, I'm sure Odi only really invests his time more into the racing development side, those are generally the higher paying customers and the ones requiring more support to get the maximum performance out of his product.
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    100 more horsepower! When you're done with yours, come do mine:-)
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    Haha yeah, it's a pretty easily achievable number based off of what a few of the guys here have done but I want to make sure everything is rock solid without reaching for absurd numbers, plus I want really good responsive low end power rather than big top end. In the 3ish years that I've owned the car, I've hit 6000 RPM like 6 times, the motor just feels really weak up that high anyways so I keep it down around 3000-5000.

    The whole motor process keeps getting delayed for me though, I'm pretty content with just staying stock for now, but when I finally do build it then I'll make sure to keep some numbers and info!
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    Yes, very doable. When I fist got my Legacy, I did two 0 to 60 passes with the first being about 12 seconds and the second 11 seconds. The second time shifting near 6000 rpm. This was in Illinois and so 5000 feet lower in altitude. Back in Denver, I got a 13 second 0 to 60 on one try. Goes a long way towards explaining my lap times. Maybe I'll try it again since the weight has dropped by about 160 pounds. Possibly a 12.6?

    I'm thankful for all of your feedback and please do a full writeup when you get around to the engine. Don't end it with "drove car 400 miles and something blew up!"
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