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    Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    Well most of you know the clutch in my 98 GT has been driving me crazy -- prematurely wearing out, eating throw-out bearings, making excessive noise, etc etc. A buddy of mine works in the service dept. at a new Subaru Dealership near my work so I stopped by and asked some questions. Turns out that my original plan of replacing the clutch (again) and other components that may be faulty (clutch fork, master cylinder, etc etc) and causing my throwout bearings to wear out quickly may actually be a (unknown to me) quite common problem with the transmission case. Apparently BD/BG (and possibly others) tranny cases are a common replacement item for the problems I'm experiencing. What happens is when the 2 halves of the transmission case come together, it forms a shaft that the release bearing rides on. What happens is this shaft wears out and allows the throwout bearing to kink to one side (basically doesnt sit where it's supposed to) and causes it to sit unevenly against the pressure plate, eventually grinding a ring into the pressure plate fingers, all the while causing that awful noise when the clutch is engaged (pedal out all the way). Only way Subaru says to fix it -- buy a new transmission case (bare shell), and have all the internals from your transmission swapped over -- now the case costs $400 bucks, and to swap everything over and put it back in your car the job comes out to around $1300 bucks! Only problem is that this is a temporary fix, over time the same wear will occur and the problem will start all over again. So trying to avoid shelling out that kind of money, you can either a.) buy a used transmission, or b.) buy PDM's Clutch Sleeve Repair kit for $135 shipped from www.tarmac-usa.com .

    The product is described as follows:

    "This is the practical solution for the notorious grooving of the throw-out bearing collar on Subaru transmissions. This causes clutch chatter, uneven engagement, premature clutch & throw-out bearing failure. This results in expensive transmission case replacement that does not offer a permanent solution for the problem. This solves the problem forever!

    Takes less than 10 minutes to install while replacing the clutch assembly or if you have the engine out for any reason. It does not require any modification or machining. It is removable and reusable when doing transmission repairs that require splitting the transmission case. The throw out bearing is available seperatly if you ever need to replace it.

    This gives noticeable smoothness to the clutch engagement. It eliminates noisy clutch linkage rattles." (description taken from www.tarmac-usa.com )

    Case and point, this is the way to go, has many customers that have used it and had success that will back it up. I just purchased mine the other day so when it comes time to replace my clutch this summer I will give a full review on the product for you guys. I just wanted to give a heads up to anyone having similar problems, or anyone wanting to avoid the problem that is planning on replacing their clutch soon that may want to spend an extra 130 bucks to prevent any problems in the future. If you can avoid spending $1300 bucks on a temporary solution and can spend 10% of that amount to solve your problem, that other 90% can go towards everything that you want it to and that it should go towards!

    Hope this helps out, if anyone has/is using this product, please let us know how you like it!
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    100% true. Got mine from them as well.....sitting in my trunk so I'll have it when the clutch goes. No use spending $500 just for noise or shudder.

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    glad you took my advice, ryan...and nice sticky.

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    Well after putting off doing anything to fix my clutch and letting the sleeve repair kit sit in my trunk for A LONG TIME, my clutch finally reached the breaking point...literally. The wear on the shaft that the throwout bearing rides on was so severe that it caused the bearing to kink so bad that it implanted itself permanently into the clutch fork, which in turn caused the clutch fork to shatter into many pieces. Since I didn't have a lift handy and not being fond of the idea of dropping my transmission laying on the ground in my driveway, I went to a highly recommended tranny shop in the area. I got talking with the guy about the problem (this was pre-knowing that the clutch fork shattered...all I knew was that I wasn't able to shift into gears anymore without horrible grinding and crunching upon depression of the clutch pedal). I told him about the shaft and the sleeve kit and he was pretty impressed with the little thing. I ended up getting a phone call from him an hour later giving me the bad news, and almost 6 hours later received another phone call with him saying how perfect the sleeve repair kit was, it totally fixed that problem.

    All in all, after getting a new clutch fork, a tranny pin, and some nastyness flushed out of my master cylinder (150k worth of sludge) + labor, I ended up paying $600 for the job. My local Subaru dealership wanted close to $1500 to replace the transmission case and swap over my internals...not even considering the replacement (and getting) a new clutch fork or cleaning out the master cylinder. Needless to say, that little $120 sleeve kit saved me nearly 8 times what it cost. And I don't think my clutch has ever felt or behaved this good, ever...NO JUDDER AT ALL. Smooth responsive engagement, and no more missed shifts. Only thing next is a stainless steel braided clutch cable and a better clutch in another 20k miles or so, and I'll be all set.
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    my clutch is about to burn out and i was going to just take it to a tranny shop or "clutch doctor" but im assuming that will be about 400 bucks or more. will this kit take care of the problem or should i start saving my money for a performance clutch?
    its a honda killer!

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    FYI for forum members.

    I ordered this it to check it out and try it. I should be finished my install as soon as my heads are finished.

    Customer service with is company is pretty bad in my experience.
    I ordered this kit on Tuesday or Wednesday, the order screen blew up right after I entered account info. I didn't get a confirmation or order number or email. I called and emailed the company but got no response, called several times and tried several departments but got no answer everytime. I also ordered with express shipping selected. Well a week later I get the kit. I got no response back from them, it didn't ship for 3 days, and I was still charged for express shipping even though it took a week to get and not the 2 days I selected.

    I am not trying to bad mouth this company, this is my first experience with them and I thought I would share. I think this kind of customer service should not be tolerated, so I will not recommend them.

    I will post back with more info as I get close to installing it.

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    I got mine through these guys when I upgraded my clutch:

    http://www.hotsubarus.com/index.asp?Pag ... D=435&HS=1

    Service was great, and though the casing was only slightly worn on my trans I'm glad I don;t have to worry about it in the future.
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    Should I get mine fixed, or just go ahead and pre-empt myself and get a new WRX 5 speed now?
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    Does anyone know who has these in stock? or can get them?
    Hotsubarus.com does not have any instock and Tarmac's website is all screwed up.

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    Stupid Clutch

    I have a 93' Legacy Wagon L, manual transmission w/EJ22 (stock everything). I'm wondering why my clutch peddle makes a squeaking noise when engaging it and then a winding noise when the peddle is to the floor? Is this the same problem you had? What could be the problem? Someone Help!!!
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    Bump. I have a high-pitched "whinging" sound when the clutch is engaged (pedal up), both in neutral and in 1st, 2nd + 3rd gears. When I press slightly on the clutch pedal, the sound goes away.

    Same issue as Pwise? Same fix?
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    OK

    I talked to my buddies dad (that is a mechanic) and I figured out why my car was making the whinning noise. I guess it was the throwout bearing. He said dont worry about it until it gets really loud...LOL. Also the squeaking noise was the clutch cable rubbing against something. I'll get around to fixing it sometime, but for now ill have to save up some money for it. Shes still running strong though.
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    what release bearing is used in this kit? where do you get one when you need to get a new throwout bearing?
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    found the part numbers for replacement Throwout / Release bearing in case you lost the sticker that came with your kit.

    Replacement numbers are BCA (Beck Arnley/National) 614-147 (pretty sure this is a Timkin number too. or NACHI #60scrn31t

    They are for late 80's/early 90's Toyota trucks and 3SGT equipped vehicles.
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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    This is the product you're talking about, correct?

    http://www.tarmac-usa.com/index.php?productID=420
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    ^^yep
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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    Thanks Huffer.
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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    i just got the pdm trans snout kit but i cant figure out how the throwout bearing clip goes on the clutch fork, does anyone have a picture or can explain how it works? does it use the factory throwout bearing clip holes that are in the clutch fork?? or do you just clip it on ???


    is it possible to get just the clip also because i mangled mine trying to figure out how it went together

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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    I have that chattering. Only happens in neutral and when the pedal is all the way released. I take it that buying the sleeve kit and having it installed wont solve the chattering? Just prevents the new tranny from messing up again? Or can I have the sleeve kit installed and say bye bye to chattering?

    Transmission work is so expensive and want to do the absolute minimum. I'm at 177k miles.

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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    98 outback ej25 does the exact sympthoms of that i was just wondering if this is the correct part to do it my bearing hasnt blown yet thats all im waiting on but it sounds like its about to everytime i shift i worry about it. but for 130 its better then haveing to replace the whole tranny so if it is the right part to fix it i may have to get one.

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    Cant seem to get the hotsubarus link to work? i did see the link for tarmac usa and it worked i see the kit. was currious i am not having any noises or shifting problems yet i feel alitlle vibration in my foot shift from 2 to 3rd was thinking about getting this kit as a pre-emptive strike before stuff goes wrong? i have a local cottmans trany shop right by my house and i think the do a trany check for free(would this include clutch?) ill have to stop by also have a clutch masters close by to call them. i did my breakes there and they did excellent work. got 120K on the vehicle now may time to have it checked out?

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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    if the clutch and pressure plate is all ready gone, (grinding around inside the case) would the flywheel be messed up at this point also?

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    You will want to have the flywheel resurfaced anyway... or you could drop the bills and get a LW flywheel if it's really bad.
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    all right good idea

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    Re: Anyone with Clutch noise/judder/problems **READ**

    get this people... it will save your clutch kit. bought my car with a blown clutch and put on stage 2 clutch and it juddered like crazy and destroyed the replacement clutch in a year. it even left a deep groove on the flywheel. when i rebuilt my motor i checked the snout on the transmission and it was very uneven.

    i got mine on ebay for the starting bid of $100 search SUBARU THROW BEARING REPAIR SLEEVE KIT. now i got a act clutch with lightened flywheel and no more juddering and know it won't be a waste.

    so first thing to do before changing your clutch is run your hands on the snout or use a micrometer to check the outer diameter for smoothness and eveness it will save you hundreds and labor

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