What do you think?

**SilentRacer** · 08-19-2006, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Wiscon_Mark

An outback has more ground clearance than a Ford Explorer. How about that instead?

Well after 2005 anyway. But thats pretty kool, had no idea.

**SubiFlow** · 08-31-2006, 01:24 PM

I have a 1996 Chevy Suburban, 3/4 ton diesel...bought used then had it painted, this is a great SUV i've used it to move, haul 7 people plus camping gear, get to town after a heavy snow and haul my gear to jobsites for remodeling. i bought the Legacy after i moved for commuting (66 miles one way) point is that a big vehicle is sometimes a requirement.

**Wiscon_Mark** · 08-31-2006, 01:39 PM

absolutely. I don't think anyone in their right mind wants SUVs completely banned.

Maybe a screening process, or something, to see that you'll actually use it for SUVish purposes (hauling, towing, farming, etc). THe goverment actually offers huge tax breaks to SUV buyers. All they have to do is say that they're using it for utility, and they give them 5000 bucks or something like that back in taxes. Of course, people lie.

**subyluvr2212** · 08-31-2006, 02:26 PM

Unfortunately, though, we'd have to be fair and make sure that the rich snobs looking at Porsche Carrera GTs are actually able to handle the vehicle without killing themselves.

Maybe make them attend a driving school or something like that.

Honestly, that would make me extremely happy.

But that would turn most rich snobs away, and it's rich snobs like that who keep those car companies going. It's a catch-22, just like the slew of performance Subarus and their corresponding performance parts that have now come out thanks to all the punk-ass kids buying WRXs.

**JPaul99GT** · 08-31-2006, 07:14 PM

i work at a porsche dealer, and a Cayenne will do better than my subaru in just about any situation. and cayenne turbos are absurd but it is kinda cool to drive a 2 ton car that has 450hp and is faster than every car on the road. and comfortable as hell.

if people have the disposible income to have an impractical, inefficient, and expensive vehicle then that is their business. we on the other hand chose to drive subarus, i do because i like them, and i can afford one (maybe 2, see my other post in the general forum). and i am ok with that.

**Wiscon_Mark** · 08-31-2006, 07:38 PM

2 tons? That's pretty damn heavy.

**ooberdoob** · 08-31-2006, 08:05 PM

you're considering 2 tons as heavy?

my car weights 3400 i believe...

my friend's HALF TON dodge weighs over 7,000 lbs.

god that's warped.

i need to start lookin at the labels of the cars i see in teh shop every day.

a mini cooper weighs damn near what my car does.

there's something wrong there.

being used to that, driving

today was so fun cause it was tiny! (identical but LHD)

I WANT A TINY CAR! lol! a loud, fast, drop top roadster.

**Wiscon_Mark** · 08-31-2006, 08:11 PM

Your car is 3200lbs, not 3400. And I find it hard to believe that a Mini Cooper is nearly the same weight.

I looked it up, it's 2,524 lbs.

2 tons=4000lbs...I think some people aren't thinking of that.

And 1/2 ton pickup means it's capable of carry 1/2 of a ton in the bed, not it weighing 1/2 ton which would be in Ariel Atom territory

**ooberdoob** · 08-31-2006, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Wiscon_Mark

Your car is 3200lbs, not 3400. And I find it hard to believe that a Mini Cooper is nearly the same weight.

I looked it up, it's 2,524 lbs.

i'll have to ask john about it tomorrow. we were working on one today and he mentioned it. i was shocked for obvious reasons. (i doubt that the fact that it was an 03 cooper S matters)

Originally Posted by Wiscon_Mark

2 tons=4000lbs...I think some people aren't thinking of that.

(i know full well)

Originally Posted by Wiscon_Mark

And 1/2 ton pickup means it's capable of carry 1/2 of a ton in the bed, not it weighing 1/2 ton which would be in Ariel Atom territory

nooooo crap. cmon mark, jesus.

what i'm saying is, since when does it take 7,000lbs of truck to move 1,000lbs????

my s10 was considered a half ton truck IIRC.

**Wiscon_Mark** · 08-31-2006, 08:20 PM

It's an old term anyways (half ton)
I believe the payload on our Odyssey is 1200 lbs

The Subaru is 900 lbs.

**ooberdoob** · 08-31-2006, 08:38 PM

most people don't realize that 1,000lbs isn't an astounding amount.

16 cubic ft of water is 1,000lbs. (16.027)

~119 gallons.

I wonder what the volume was when i did this?
(clicky)

20 bags of speedy-dry... etc
cement
fertilizer
seed
paving blocks
etc

(you can see why i went to a wagon from a truck, some things i can't give up.

)

**JPaul99GT** · 09-03-2006, 03:58 PM

a cayenne turbo weighs in at about 5900lbs...... 0-60 in 4.8 seconds!!! AMAZING i love my job

http://www.fast-autos.net/roadTests/6/

BTW 5900lbs = 2.6tons

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