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    5 spd swap.

    Just thought I'd share the joy, my car is officially getting a 5spd swap

    Should be happening late next week, just have to wait for a clutch master cylinder and pedal box to arrive. The shop tells me it will take about a day.

    I'm so excited
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    Nice! Keep track of all the costs if you would, it's always been a controversy how much it really costs once you factor in selling the AT and stuff.

    Next step is the motor lol
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    Yes, keep us updated on costs. I've been looking for a different car, but am having troubles finding one. I've seen a few that were what I was looking for, except they were autos. I've thought a few times about just buying an auto and then doing the swap.

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    Unfortunately my costs are not going to be realistic towards the true cost of a swap. It just so happens that this works out really well for 2 parties.

    My girlfriend was in need of a car and decided to get into a Suby (didn't need much persuasion either). She got a 2000 2.5RS which was previously swapped. Right now it is sitting at the shop almost completely in peices with no drivetrain at all.

    We are going to get it rebuilt to stock form for her, it was going to come as a 5 spd. So I simply asked the question "how much?" to put my auto in her car and her 5spd in my car. They need to order a bunch of parts for the RS, including a harness, so they said they can built it however they want, they just needed to know ASAP so they could order the appropriate parts.

    In the end she is getting my auto (which she prefers) and I am getting the 5spd (which I prefer) and its only costing us the cost of labour for the swap on my car in addition to the price of her car. So for $9800 Canadian we are getting a rebuilt and refinished 2.5RS and a tranny swap into a Leggy.
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    Keep us posted on the shop progress - it'd be interesting to know of a shop nearby that can handle that kind of work.
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    The shop is called Planet Motorsport. Not the pretiest place in the world, but I just say don't judge a book by its cover.

    The are a Subaru only shop. They do anything and everything Subaru, specializing in drivetrain swaps. Honest people and willing to help out a Suby driver with even the smallest of jobs.

    I found them when I needed a knock sensor just after I bought the car (got a great deal on a used one) and have been going back ever since.

    http://www.planetmotorsport.com/ - Their official website for anyone interested.
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    I too an interested in a total cost to get this done, though your situation is different

    I wish my car was manual, but I couldn't find a Subaru I liked in my area when I was on the market for one that was manual.
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    hey i just noticed you from canada. you might want to checkout JDMSPEC4U, they seem to have really good prices and might be able to give you a good deal. They've done tons of work on subarus. I priced them for a motor and tranny swap its only costing me $3500 CAD...

    let me know if you want any more details..
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    I e-mailed Planet Motorsport and asked for a rough estimate. This is what I got about my 2000LGT:

    Labor on this job is appx 12 @ $70 pr hr. Parts are $600 used 5 speed/ $350 new clutch/ $100 re machined flywheeel / $250 new pedal box / $150 used slave and master cylinder/ Fluid and rear diff at $300.

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    Adds up to around $2590 (Canadian I think), which is around $2,340 USD. Assuming you can get the parts for cheaper, this would vary. It gives a rough estimate though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekkitan
    I e-mailed Planet Motorsport and asked for a rough estimate. This is what I got about my 2000LGT:

    Labor on this job is appx 12 @ $70 pr hr. Parts are $600 used 5 speed/ $350 new clutch/ $100 re machined flywheeel / $250 new pedal box / $150 used slave and master cylinder/ Fluid and rear diff at $300.

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    Adds up to around $2590 (Canadian I think), which is around $2,340 USD. Assuming you can get the parts for cheaper, this would vary. It gives a rough estimate though.
    Other parts that I know are also needed:
    5spd Leggy driveshaft
    Shifter and linkage
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    Quote Originally Posted by studum
    Quote Originally Posted by tekkitan
    I e-mailed Planet Motorsport and asked for a rough estimate. This is what I got about my 2000LGT:

    Labor on this job is appx 12 @ $70 pr hr. Parts are $600 used 5 speed/ $350 new clutch/ $100 re machined flywheeel / $250 new pedal box / $150 used slave and master cylinder/ Fluid and rear diff at $300.

    Iain
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    Adds up to around $2590 (Canadian I think), which is around $2,340 USD. Assuming you can get the parts for cheaper, this would vary. It gives a rough estimate though.
    Other parts that I know are also needed:
    5spd Leggy driveshaft
    Shifter and linkage
    yay more money to add

    i knew that wouldn't be all of it
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    I wonder what they do with the TCU + ABS system... xcntrk75 found that if the AT TCU was unplugged, the ABS failed to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huffer
    I wonder what they do with the TCU + ABS system... xcntrk75 found that if the AT TCU was unplugged, the ABS failed to work.
    They have warned me about this. If I remember correctly what they told me it has to do with a speed sensors in the AT.

    Apparently the system supposedly will still function but not in the same manor (take longer or something maybe?). I don't know what that means... will have to wait and see. They also can't guarentee that I won't get a light for it, but that doesn't bother me.
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    xcntrk's solution was simply to plug the ABS plugs back into the AT TCU, everything worked fine again. Just means you have to have a meaningless TCU sitting behind the center console.
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    I'm 99% sure they leave it connected still. I remember them telling me they just have to splice 2 wires. I could be wrong as I wasn't really paying attention. I was too excited about getting confirmation the swap and looking at the soon to be second car.

    As a side note - I have some Cusco shifter bushings I'm getting put in along with a short shifter I ordered today from a vendor of the local Subaru club. Hopefully it'll be here by the weekend.

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    xcntrk has now figured out his wiring issue and doesnt have the TCU in there anymore, if I remember right.
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    My driveshaft isn't in yet... guess I have to wait just a little longer . As a plus my short shifter arrived yesterday.
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    She's officially in the shop getting her new hips.

    I just called for an update. The tranny is out, diff is down and clutch is in.

    They had some interesting findings that prove you can never be too sure when buying a used car. The torque converter in the tranny is almost brand new (had the car a little over a year and I didn't change it). Previous owner's maintenance records, which I thought were complete as they were pretty thorough, did not show any tranny work.

    One of the clamps on the tranny line was loose and the starter was only on by 1 bolt.

    I have been assured all is well though anf there are no issues with the parts.

    And for those who were wondering they have to change my rad too. But I believe that its onl because my tranny is going in the "Preza and they need that rad because it has a cooler output or something.

    Anyways, if it keeps going at this pace I'll have t back tonight. If not then I have to wait until tomorrow. Fingers are crossed...
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    I didn't bring the car home tonight. They were willing to stay late and finish it but I told them to just finish it tomorrow at their comfortable pace instead of rushing. Everthing is in the car except for the pedal box, which is aparently a PITA. The wiring also has to be completed.

    +1 to the parts list: Starter for the manual tranny.
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    So I have the car now. All I can say is...




    Very happy. The car is completely different, better use of power and more connection. Shifts are tight and precise. Clutch is solid, no funny noises. Other than the ABS light and my lack of a 5spd shifter trim / leather boot you would have no idea the car was an auto.

    Anyhoo, I'm going for a drive.
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    Wait, are they fixing the ABS issue?
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    I know it's too late but the difference in radiators between AT and MT cars is that the AT fluid runs through the radiator. MT has gear oil and doesn't go to the radiator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huffer
    Wait, are they fixing the ABS issue?
    No, I don't think they know how. If someone does please post up because I would like to know.

    They left my rad in after all. They're going to get another one for the Impreza.
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    Yes because hers is getting the AT. She needs the other radiator. Yours you simple disconnect the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by studum
    Quote Originally Posted by Huffer
    Wait, are they fixing the ABS issue?
    No, I don't think they know how. If someone does please post up because I would like to know.

    They left my rad in after all. They're going to get another one for the Impreza.
    I thought we covered this - the ABS unit runs off the Automatic TCU, so you have to either leave the TCU in place and plugged in, or you have to trick the ABS unit into believing the TCU is there, or you have to figure out some other method (which I believe xcntrk75 has done).
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    I believe xcntrk just left his TCU in place to resolve the ABS issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbasser98
    I believe xcntrk just left his TCU in place to resolve the ABS issue...
    That was the old solution. I think he found a better way.
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    I was looking for the other solution. I don't have time to play around with it right now. I have to make an urgent trip out east and will be moving next week. Hopefully I'll have a chance to take a closer look at it in a few weeks.
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