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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by anothernord
    So after 6 months with the neon coil, I have noticed that the ECU seems to be adjusting to the increased fuel burn, and adding more fuel and thus I am getting slightly worse mileage. I wonder if there is any way to "tune" this correction out without a full blown EM.
    This doesn't make any sense. If you really think you are getting a "better" burn, your o2 sensor would show a leaner reading more often, causing the long term fuel trims to adjust to compensate. That's quite possible if spark performance has actually improved. But if the car is making more power, you would be using less throttle to get the same driving performance as before, negating any effect the fuel trims might have. If you are getting worse gas mileage, it's because your driving has changed or there is some other unrelated negative factor.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    One thing I overlooked: The neon coil itself might be going bad. I need to get a real MSD anyway.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by hellaGT
    Quote Originally Posted by winston856
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    So, does that black plug come with the pack?
    Is that the plug off a phase 2 like you stated above?
    Is that a plug for a neon that you spliced to work with the car's plug?

    I think my distributor is going bad so I'm bumping this thread

    If you get the MSD pack through Reason, he can probably get you that black plug which he gets off neon's in the boneyard since the MSD is for a neon. The other plug is the stock subaru one.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    So would this also apply to a BC?
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Part links if anyone cares:


    http://www.msdignition.com/product.aspx ... terms=8239
    # Works with stock ignition as well as MSD Ignitions
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    maybe i missed something... but isnt this just a red coil pack?

    for true MSD do you not also need the MSD box?

    seems kinda like those honda guys buying the red MSD dist. cap and saying "it feels like the car has nitro, or something"
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    You definitely missed something. Read up.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I just did this DIY the other day. Pretty straight forward, awesome DIY. The differences with phase I or phase II engine wiring was confusing tho. I just guessed and checked. I got it wrong the first time and then I just switched the outside wires around and it worked just fine! The middle wire stayed connected to the middle wire on the MSD coil clip. I put the coil facing backwards because I didn't want the wires getting in the way of the other stuff like the acceleration pedal wire and cruise control wire that connects to the throttle body.
    - I got the MSD coil from ebay for like 70 bucks. The clip I got from here on the classifieds: https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=14056
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    - I got the bolts ((M6 x45mm) 45mm is very close to 2") from some car parts store here in town.
    - I had to get the phase II wires since I have a phase I engine and the original wires don't fit the MSD coil.
    After driving around for a few days I notice there is a small increase of power at about any speed. Just seems to GO now whenever I need it to. Starts the same and still ramps up to like 1500rpms like usual for me. Idling and city driving does seem smoother tho, not as much vibration. The sound is definitely upped a notch! With the UEL headers and axleback exhaust the 2.2 rumbles! I can hear it in the cockpit better now and I LOVE IT! Here's a pic.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    so basically you need the connector from your stock coil pack and one from a neon?
    what is the difference from phase 1 and 2?

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Hey, your link to the NGK website is borked. Would you mind telling us the model of NGK spark plugs you used?

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by hrdrifter
    so basically you need the connector from your stock coil pack and one from a neon?
    what is the difference from phase 1 and 2?
    The stock coil pack wires are directly connected to the coil pack with a connector a few inches down the wires and since you want as much slack in the wires as possible you just cut the wires right next to the stock coil, so once i spliced the new connector on i guess i do have 2 separate connectors. i'd keep it in just in case you have to swap in a subaru coil pack again.. you know if maybe it dies since it's not a subaru made product lol
    With this mod the phase 1 and 2 difference is the coil pack. The coil pack has different plug wire connections so they have different spark plug wires for each of them. You want to buy the phase 2 plug wires, the ones with connections that are skinny and long, not the fat and short ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by ten80
    Hey, your link to the NGK website is borked. Would you mind telling us the model of NGK spark plugs you used?

    Thanks!
    LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61
    I didn't know if your link was supposed to go to the specific page for the correct wires, or if the MSD coilpack would work with stock wires, hence my asking for a part number. NGK lists FX54 as the part number for a 1997 LGT, but the OEM coilpack has female connectors for the spark plug wires whereas the MSD's connectors are male. However, I suspect that FX61 will also work for me.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by hrdrifter
    i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1
    ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

    This is a PHASE 1 coil pack



    This is a PHASE 2 coil pack



    Notice that phase 1 and phase 2 coil packs require different wires and phase 1 coil packs are a bit smaller than their phase 2 counterparts. Just to repeat, if you have phase 1 then you WILL have to get newer phase 2 wires. If you have phase 2 then you can just use the stock wires if you don't want to upgrade those.

    Quote Originally Posted by ten80
    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    LAME LINK! just google ngk.com and click on that first sponsored link. there you can put in what year and what car you have to get the right parts. You can then choose if you want to buy wires, plugs, or 02 sensors. I have a 1995 subaru legacy L 2.2 but my engine came with phase 1 plug wires. SO, for wires i put in that I had a 1998 subaru legacy L 2.2. I believe if you search the years 1997-1999 you will get the right wires. To be specific tho, I have the 1998 NGK Premium Wire Set part # FX61
    I didn't know if your link was supposed to go to the specific page for the correct wires, or if the MSD coilpack would work with stock wires, hence my asking for a part number. NGK lists FX54 as the part number for a 1997 LGT, but the OEM coilpack has female connectors for the spark plug wires whereas the MSD's connectors are male. However, I suspect that FX61 will also work for me.
    if your OEM coil pack has female connectors i think that would be phase 1. i think.... and if have a phase 1 engine and you just put in your exact car in the fields on the NGK website you'll probably get the upgraded phase 1 wires. I know for sure tho that MSD coil 8239 WILL work with the 1998 subaru legacy 2.2L NGK wires (#FX61) because that's what i'm using right now.

    Now that I'm looking at the website I see the part numbers change according to how big the engine is. FX54's are PHASE 1!!! don't get those, you can tell by the picture that pops up on the left, or by clicking on more info and you'll still see the picture on the left. The picture is the exact same thing you will get, it's not some generalized picture they put with everything which is kinda nice.
    Looks like the part numbers you should be looking for are FX61 for 2.2L, and FX50 for a 2.5L. I don't know if getting the wrong ones makes a difference at all so I wouldn't try it..
    Also just found a part number FX58 for a 1999 legacy 2.2L phase 2 that should work.. I've learned that you should do lots of research on something before you do it when it comes with cars so if there's any question about anything then try to figure it out before purchasing or taking apart anything.. hope this helps a little bit more!!
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    ^^ Good post. That will really help avoid confusion for people looking to do this mod.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEvilWgn
    am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

    Solder and Heatshrink wrap your connections!
    +1

    Soldering so so much more reliable than just crimping, especially in something as sensitive as the ignition system. Sometimes I am guilty of not using shrink tubing, and using electrical tape but I always solder.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by anothernord
    Quote Originally Posted by RedEvilWgn
    am I the only one who thinks using butt connectors are a bad idea? I saw the first pic of the plug setup and my jaw dropped....

    Solder and Heatshrink wrap your connections!
    +1

    Soldering so so much more reliable than just crimping, especially in something as sensitive as the ignition system. Sometimes I am guilty of not using shrink tubing, and using electrical tape but I always solder.
    agreed, sometimes i don't even use solder when it's just small electrical stuff, but i went all out on this one! I crimped, soldered, shrink tubed, and wrapped it in electrical tape.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

    This is a PHASE 1 coil pack



    This is a PHASE 2 coil pack



    Notice that phase 1 and phase 2 coil packs require different wires and phase 1 coil packs are a bit smaller than their phase 2 counterparts. Just to repeat, if you have phase 1 then you WILL have to get newer phase 2 wires. If you have phase 2 then you can just use the stock wires if you don't want to upgrade those.
    Incorrect. Sorry but I do have to correct this. The following information applies to the US market:

    Engines:
    All Subaru 2.2L engines from 1990 to 1998 are Phase I. 1999 and later they are Phase II. Same goes for the 2.5L engines, EXCEPT the Legacy and Legacy Outback models get the Phase II 2.5L one year late for 2000; Impreza and Forester models got Phase II for 1999.

    Coil Packs: (looking at Legacy parts)
    2.2L from 1990 to 1996 use similar coil packs.
    2.2L from 1997-1999 have a new coil pack, in 1999 the spark plug wires changed (I think the coil pack should be the same).
    What I know on the 2.5L is based on the plug wires for sale by Subaru. 1996 is unique, 1997 is unique, 1998 and 1999 are the same, 2000-2004 are the same, and 2005-2006 are the same. It seems 1996 has the old coil pack and 1997-2006 have the newer terminal style. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    i wondered if anyone would find something wrong, i still don't exactly understand phase 1 and 2 stuff. I just know the different coil packs.
    obviously you know more about that than i do, thanks for the info!
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    i wondered if anyone would find something wrong, i still don't exactly understand phase 1 and 2 stuff. I just know the different coil packs.
    obviously you know more about that than i do, thanks for the info!
    Easy way to tell the 2.5L's apart:

    Phase I = DOHC (big timing belt cover with spark plugs down on the side)
    Phase II = SOHC (little timing belt cover with spark plugs sticking out at an angle)

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by anothernord
    Easy way to tell them apart:

    Phase I = DOHC (big timing belt cover with spark plugs down on the side)
    Phase II = SOHC (little timing belt cover with spark plugs sticking out at an angle)
    Make note: this applies to the 2.5L engines only.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    Quote Originally Posted by hrdrifter
    i...
    hope this helps a little bit more!!
    it does, thanks a lot. FX54 OEM fittment wires do not fit and FX61 are too short and not designed for the tear-drop spark plug cover holes, so they wouldn't form a good seal with the spark plug covers. Looks like I need to order FX50.

    EDIT- tried FX61 and they did not fit.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Matty2Hotty
    Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.
    The BE has a 4-wire coil pack, so nobody has been able to get it to work yet.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Dang, well msd needs to make one or something... Lame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty2Hotty
    Anyone try this mod on like a BE? I have a 01 2.5l I want to upgrade.
    The BE has a 4-wire coil pack, so nobody has been able to get it to work yet.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    for a neon coil do you have to ground it? i saw that he did just wonderin if i have to? i think i will to be safe

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by legacy98gt
    for a neon coil do you have to ground it? i saw that he did just wonderin if i have to? i think i will to be safe
    Not sure exactly what you mean, I just connected the three wires and drove off; no problem.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    theres 4 bolt holes and only 3 places to screw it in, the onw with no hole it looks like you put a ground wire

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I'll say it again, write MSD to get a coil pack made. I already wrote in regards of having two style coil packs made. The more people who write, the better chance of this happening.
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