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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Its possible the fuel filter is dirty, it hasn't been changed in a long while. Does seem to rev a bit easier.. so I guess its a bit of an upgrade. However, maybe because I'm already running a LW flywheel and LW pulley that I'm not noticing much of a difference?

    Car was seafoamed about 1 week ago, didn't get any black smoke. This is the 2nd time its been done with the same result, so I'm pretty sure my engine doesnt have much carbon build up. Air filter is brand new as well as of 2 weeks ago.

    Exhaust is in great condition, new CATS as of 1.5 years ago, new muffler about 4 years back, and new mid pipe about 6 months back. O2 sensors are both brand new as of 1.5 years ago. So.. everything is pretty new.

    The fuel filter is a possible suspect.. maybe I will need to check into that.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I'd think the light weight engine parts would certainly make it harder to notice, I'd think you'd really have to get on it and try to get the engine to move to notice an upgraded response over those mods. Seafoam will foul up spark plugs as it breaks up crap in the engine, you might want to replace them now. Wish I could test drive your car for you.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I am thinking about doing this. My question is for my 98 2.2L would I need to get spark plug wires too?

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    The style you have will work, but you really should upgrade them because they'll probably degrade quickly with the higher voltage.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Soul Shinobi
    The style you have will work, but you really should upgrade them because they'll probably degrade quickly with the higher voltage.
    When I do this I will do spark plugs and wires too.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    NGK or Magnecor wires are the quality ones people typically use.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    Quote Originally Posted by hrdrifter
    i think it must be 98 and 99, because my 97 is phase 1
    ok since there is still a lot of confusion on what years phase 1 and 2 is, this will just make it simpler..

    This is a PHASE 1 coil pack



    This is a PHASE 2 coil pack

    Can you post these pics again please?
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    For a 2.2L NGK' s website says I need the FX61 for wires. These will still work with MSD coil right? I'm planning on doing this soon.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Here are those pictures again, not the exact same but similar.

    "phase 1"


    "phase 2"


    Using quotes because it's not entirely correct. They mixed them up on the later years. So take this with a grain of salt. Otherwise this just shows the different coil packs that were used on our 2nd gen cars. The MSD coil uses wires made for the "phase 2" coil pack.

    And with the wires, I'll try to clear up some confusion. So you have differences at both ends. Some years have different plugs for the coils, others are different on the opposite end where they plug into the spark plug because of being a 2.2L or 2.5L engine. You just need to get the right ends for your application. From what I see, here are some NGK wires that should work with the MSD coil:
    2.2L - FX61

    2.5L - FX50

    Limited choices eh? Not sure about the FX58 set of wires. On the NGK website they're listed on 2.2L and 2.5L engines in 1999. I'm drawing a blank on that one.
    Anyways, do lots of research before buying!!! This is only here to help, but make sure you double and triple check to make sure it will fit the MSD coil and plug into your engine! I'm not responsible for a wrong purchase.

    This is kinda a re-post actually, sorry.

    98legwag those should be the correct wires.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Navi - 99 was the weird year where they went PhaseII with the EJ22 and partial PhaseII with the EJ25 engine which is why the number is different.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by 98legwag
    I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.
    Pretty much sums up exactly how my car felt when I drove it for the first time after installing this mod. Yay for non-conflicting results!
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Navi271
    Quote Originally Posted by 98legwag
    I just finished the first full tank of fuel since doing this. When I added the coil I also changed spark plugs, wires, and fuel filter. I have noticed a little more power across the rev range and the car seems to climb hills easier. As far as fuel economy I may be getting 1-2 mpg better mileage.
    Pretty much sums up exactly how my car felt when I drove it for the first time after installing this mod. Yay for non-conflicting results!
    Rubie25_GT did the coil without changing spark plugs and wires yet and said he got the same results. His spark plugs weren't that old.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    What range of years will this mod fit on? I bought all the parts for my BG but I'm looking at buying a BH (2004 L wag 2.5). Anyone know if this is the same deal?
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by Surlycamera
    What range of years will this mod fit on? I bought all the parts for my BG but I'm looking at buying a BH (2004 L wag 2.5). Anyone know if this is the same deal?
    I don't think it will work because the 3rd Gen Legacy has 4 wires running to the coil pack. My car has only 3. I was just at a meet and a fellow SLi'er asked and I said no. I could be wrong though.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Pretty sure it only works on the 2nd gen (BD/BG/BK).

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by nikolaus.conrad
    @Navi- Thank you for posting those pics!! I just finally saw this thread with replies today!
    You're welcome! Glad to help out

    And since I'm here, it's almost been 3 years since I did this and everything still works perfectly.
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I know this is an old thread but, Im doing this mod and I got some Magnecor plug wires. I put them on before I got the coil and noticed an improvement. Quicker starting, smoother idle, and a slight increase in MPG. I think that these wires are the best investment because 1. these wires dont wear out. Most likely you wont ever need to buy another pair of wires for your car. 2. These wires are designed to deliver the maximum voltage from your coil to your plugs. They are also red and match the coil The cheapest that I have found them is on Amazon.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I just did this mod it wasnt to difficult ! but no my problem is the spark plug wires. I bought some that i were told were the right ones for my car but when i pulled my plugs out i realized they were definatly not. the NGK ones i bought are about a 2 inch longer than the ones that were on my car now. Anyone know anything about that?



    Revized >> I had to get 99 GT plug wires to work... now i have some other NGK wires that i dont know what to do with.


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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Just finished this mod on my 98 GT Limited. Everything in this thread was spot on. Paired the MSD coil With some NGK wires for my car and a plug sourced from a Neon in a junk yard. Wired it up just as stated and was perfect on start up. Thanks for the write up.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    still trying to figure out the wiring. some people have the coilpack mounted with the connector on the right and some people have the coil pack connector on the left.

    So which is which?
    Wouldnt the outer two wires need to be swapped if rotating the coil pack one way versus the other?

    Any help greatly appreciated as Im trying to install this today.

    What would happen if the outer two wires wwere wrong and the car was cranked?

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    the coil pack plug is supposed to face the passanger side of the car. if you rotate the pack to have the connector on the driver side, you must swap pins 1&3 when you wire it up. If you have it wrong, the plug will fire out of phase and will backfire. simply rotate the coil, or change the outside pins, or swap wires for 1/3 2/4
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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Quote Originally Posted by meepers
    the coil pack plug is supposed to face the passanger side of the car. if you rotate the pack to have the connector on the driver side, you must swap pins 1&3 when you wire it up. If you have it wrong, the plug will fire out of phase and will backfire. simply rotate the coil, or change the outside pins, or swap wires for 1/3 2/4
    Thats exactly what I was saying, in the OP the pics show the connector on the driver side and states "wire for wire".
    So, In order to install with the connector on the passenger side (as that stock coilpacks are mounted), one must swap the outer wires.
    I installed my pack yesterday with connector on passenger side, swapped the outer wires as my intuition suggested and it fired right up.
    See Pic Below (clipped harness from oil Subaru Coilpack, mated with clipped harness for Neon Coilpack)...
    PS Nevermind the wirenuts; that was too test and confirm. Have since been soldered.



    Also, IMO, it is too messy to mount the MSD with the connector on the driver side.
    We already have two sparkplug wires with 90 degree bends and the throttle cables over there.

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    Any opinions on how much room you have between pack and hood? Im asking because i would like to do this but dont know if i would have enough clearance with my 8mm manifold spacers
    you are so adorable in your closed minded bubble of ignorance! I just want to smack you

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    so d1gi did you find the answer? cause im wondering the same thing with my 98 leggy. I have the 8mm pheno spacer so that was my concern!
    you are so adorable in your closed minded bubble of ignorance! I just want to smack you

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    I am not sure about clearance. I do think it varies between models, as I have heard Legacy Outbacks, which I have, have more room.
    I can try to measure mine when i get a chance.

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    Would def be an interesting to thing to know.
    you are so adorable in your closed minded bubble of ignorance! I just want to smack you

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    Re: Installed MSD Coil 8239 MY96 2.5GT (liquidracing method)

    It rubs on the padding, no problems.
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