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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    oh i must have skimmed over that part... cool beans i wish it was like that here.
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by 97legacygt
    Wow, thanks, Huffer. This project is really going to be all on my own. I'll be using my uncle's shop and some of his tools, but funding comes from my own pocket. However, I feel that it will make the car that much more special since it was done with my hands and my funds. Both my mom and I are far from millionaires, but I can make enough money to support myself and my expensive automobile addiction.
    If you have money for all your toys and projects, what kind of a job do you have to fund all these projects? I need to find me one of those jobs.
    Social security and under-the-table auto repair.

    And once again, you are right, WA state (at this point) is once saved, always saved as far as emissions go. IIRC, CA motor swap rules state that the motor has to be at least as old as the vehicle. I've never actually heard of a state that requires it to be at least 2 years younger until now, but most states probably have differing laws.

    AND, NW Rally Sports can help me with the wiring for the swap, so that's a good thing. From what I can tell, they seem very confident about it.
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    Quote Originally Posted by keltik
    i cant believe your going to even think about running the stock ecu.
    There's a Subaru Performance Shop now in Bellingham called NW Rally Sports that I've heard many good things about. I'm going to contact them and see if they can help me with the wiring and other things I may not be able to do on my own.
    Adam at NWRS is a great guy, however i'm not sure how long any of this will take as he is a one man crew and works out of a garage next to his house. I have hung out with him a few times and gotten him to do some work on my BD, i would highly suggest him, however the turnaround may take some time and costs a fair amount since he charges by the hour and is the only one working there.

    He does have a JDM swap in his impreza L that he set up though which is MEAN. EJ20G with EL headers and much more, that car is awesome to ride in. I suggest calling him and talking to him or even going out there before you decide on what your are gonna get done and where since he is very well plugged in around here as far as Subie's.

    Let me know how this is going, I'm not too far out and if you need a hand with stuff just let me know, I have access to tons of cool tools, machines, and other stuff down here at the VRI as well.


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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Also, with regards to emissions, i don't know how they do it up here in Whatcom County but in King County you have to have ODB if your car had it originally in order to test it, and even if you have a CEL you fail... Also, the law states that you are not to put an engine in the car that is older than the car itself, not that they could really tell, but you can't go from FI to carbeurated or anything like that (legally).

    TBH i would search CL cause there are a couple closed block engines on there right now that you could swoop up and make a hybrid out of and run off a legacy SS ECU (i think this is what Adam at NWRS is doing for his ECU with his JDM swap). I wouldn't be set on a JDM import just yet, since there are plenty of affordable alternatives that will be easier to deal with in the future (parts, diganostics, servicing, wiring)
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by 99gtlimited
    Also, with regards to emissions, i don't know how they do it up here in Whatcom County but in King County you have to have ODB if your car had it originally in order to test it, and even if you have a CEL you fail... Also, the law states that you are not to put an engine in the car that is older than the car itself, not that they could really tell, but you can't go from FI to carbeurated or anything like that (legally).

    TBH i would search CL cause there are a couple closed block engines on there right now that you could swoop up and make a hybrid out of and run off a legacy SS ECU (this is what Adam at NWRS is doing for his ECU). I wouldn't be set on a JDM import just yet, since there are plenty of affordable alternatives that will be easier to deal with in the future (parts, diganostics, servicing, wiring)
    There's a difference between OBD I (pre95) and OBD II (all cars post95) as well...which is why not a lot of people use the legacy SS ecu when they put in a ej22t block in their subaru because the switch to the older version is not only illegal but it is often times too much trouble in wiring for what youre getting (namely the lack of being able to easily tune the ECU); if this was the case, going to a standalone EM or using an OBDII turbo ecu (02+WRX) and have it retuned would be a more viable option to run the ej22t block as the block does not care what electronics are going to be controlling it.

    95+ JDM engines have OBDII as well. The key difference, and why they fail US OBD emissions scans is that they don't have the readiness codes that the governement systems look for to give the car a pass. Some people have been able to swap a USDM WRX ecu, turn off some of the emissions codes, and drive it around and hope it reads ready to get a pass on emissions test, but this is NOT 100%.

    The point is, if you're concerned about passing emissions, you need to weigh your options before going JDM because while the cost upfront is about 1-2k cheaper than a comparable USDM swap, it may become undrivable or too much of a hassle to get it to pass emissions, depending on where you live.
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    Yeah Adam from NWRS had also mentioned that he was considering changing to a different ECU cause the SS one was OBDI and had some tunability issues.
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    It's no secret, I'd LOVE to swap in a USDM STi motor, but cost is kind of the limiting factor here. If anyone comes across a good deal on an EJ257, give me a hollar. I'm not too concerned about it including the transmission, too, though that would be nice. I can live with a WRX-sourced 5 spd

    There are still a lot of unknowns on this project, but I definitely will be giving Adam from NWRS a call here soon. If anyone ever wanted to show up at my place to help with the Outback, I could probably put ya to work. There's a ton of work that needs to be done to just get the stock components out. Words of warning: if you come, bring all the metric tools you can, I have none (damn low-life thieves!! )
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    It's no secret, I'd LOVE to swap in a USDM STi motor, but cost is kind of the limiting factor here. If anyone comes across a good deal on an EJ257, give me a hollar. I'm not too concerned about it including the transmission, too, though that would be nice. I can live with a WRX-sourced 5 spd

    There are still a lot of unknowns on this project, but I definitely will be giving Adam from NWRS a call here soon. If anyone ever wanted to show up at my place to help with the Outback, I could probably put ya to work. There's a ton of work that needs to be done to just get the stock components out. Words of warning: if you come, bring all the metric tools you can, I have none (damn low-life thieves!! )
    Define "good price"...if you can get an sti motorset for around $4-5k that's a good price, but that's significantly more than any JDM motorset you can find.
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    if your on nasioc you can PM adam, he's listed as 99impreza i believe
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by rougeben83
    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    It's no secret, I'd LOVE to swap in a USDM STi motor, but cost is kind of the limiting factor here. If anyone comes across a good deal on an EJ257, give me a hollar. I'm not too concerned about it including the transmission, too, though that would be nice. I can live with a WRX-sourced 5 spd

    There are still a lot of unknowns on this project, but I definitely will be giving Adam from NWRS a call here soon. If anyone ever wanted to show up at my place to help with the Outback, I could probably put ya to work. There's a ton of work that needs to be done to just get the stock components out. Words of warning: if you come, bring all the metric tools you can, I have none (damn low-life thieves!! )
    Define "good price"...if you can get an sti motorset for around $4-5k that's a good price, but that's significantly more than any JDM motorset you can find.
    About $4500-ish was what I had in mind. More than I wanted to plan on spending on a JDM motorset, but A LOT less than I've been finding. Everywhere I look lists USDM STi motorsets at around $6500. I'm not on NASIOC yet, but I'm really thinking I probably should be.
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    so you're planning on doing all this with no power tools at all????
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by 99gtlimited
    so you're planning on doing all this with no power tools at all????
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    I'm not on NASIOC yet, but I'm really thinking I probably should be.
    Scratch that, I'm on NASIOC as jg09, also.
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    About $4500-ish was what I had in mind. More than I wanted to plan on spending on a JDM motorset, but A LOT less than I've been finding. Everywhere I look lists USDM STi motorsets at around $6500. I'm not on NASIOC yet, but I'm really thinking I probably should be.
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    $2500 is the going rate just for the motor.

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    not to helpful since its in Canada but those are the going rates for this engine.

    $6500 for a USDM STI complete setup is a great price! I'v seen a few guys buy rear-end "write offs" from the states for around $6000 US. Super cheap think about it if you got the room to keep an extra car.

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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    ^^ that's how i'd do it for sure, just get a whole donor car and move everything over and part out the rest that yo don't need.
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    enough 'if's' just pick a damn engine and git 'er dun!
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    HAhaha...

    'if' only it were that easy
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by 99gtlimited
    HAhaha...

    'if' only it were that easy
    If all I did was think of the possibilities, I would still be in the same boat as a lot of guys complaining how slow their scoobs are :smt002

    If he REALLY wants this done, first he needs to figure out what kind of budget he has. Because right now he's looking at engines ranging from a little over $2k all the way up to $6k and beyond . Once he has a budget, he'll know what kind of engine he can and cannot afford, what kind of extras (transmissions, go fast parts, etc) he can do along with the engine swap, what compromises he'll have to make to get the best bang for his buck etc etc. There's a lot of planning and logistics involved way before one even starts turning bolts on the car.

    But I guess this has turned into another one of jg09's "i wanna do dis to my car, guys!" threads, hasn't it? Just get an LS1 to swap in there and be done with it.
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    now that would be bad ass as a drift car with a RWD conversion!!
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    No more conjecture until jg09 posts about the engine... if this thread is going to die, let it.

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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Just throwing it out there - im not sure how much shipping would be on a car to the states...but it was only about $1500USD to get one from the UK to New Zealand and thats a lot further.

    For $8000USD you can have a dam good entire version 4/5STI

    Might be worth talking to an independant car exporter in Japan - you could ship an entire crash damaged one to the states for a similar price to a USDM STI conversion and in my opinion the EJ20 is a much nicer motor. Youd also be getting a heap of other STI goodies instead of just a motor
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by keltik
    Just throwing it out there - im not sure how much shipping would be on a car to the states...but it was only about $1500USD to get one from the UK to New Zealand and thats a lot further.

    For $8000USD you can have a dam good entire version 4/5STI

    Might be worth talking to an independant car exporter in Japan - you could ship an entire crash damaged one to the states for a similar price to a USDM STI conversion and in my opinion the EJ20 is a much nicer motor. Youd also be getting a heap of other STI goodies instead of just a motor
    This has been covered before, but the summary is that importing a wrecked car is impossible unless you hold an importers license (and these are highly regulated and restricted) and you will not be able to get the entire car. US Customs requires that cars are literally cut in half.

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    Re: The country's economy just bit me in the ass

    Quote Originally Posted by jg09
    I'm beginning to think I should go the USDM route, as having a JDM motor that can't pass emission testing will seriously reduce the value of the car.
    Here's the thing. You own a car, which is the single biggest depreciating item you can own, besides probably a motorhome (RV) or a bowling alley in the jungle.

    Nothing you do will ever recoup the original $21,000odd tag on your Outback when it was new, at least not without investing more than the car is worth.

    Cars are typically the leaders in the law of diminishing returns. Very few vehicles now will ever go "up" in value. For that you need:
    1) a car made with lower than normal production numbers
    2) a car that has a near iconic status
    3) a fan-base that exists outside of motorheads (hello muscle cars)

    Time for the toys to go, and for peeps to find jobs.
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    Re: The country's economy just bit me in the ass

    Quote Originally Posted by Huffer
    Here's the thing. You own a car, which is the single biggest depreciating item you can own, besides probably a motorhome (RV) or a bowling alley in the jungle.
    omg no. dont listen to him monkeys... im still building it for you :smt009


    here's my reccommendation.. get a job...

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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Time for the toys to go, and for peeps to find jobs.
    Very good words of advice. If money is tight now, don't spend it because if you go to college in the fall, the money situation will only get worse if you don't get a job. I really wish that I didn't spend as much as I did on my car to get rust repair done as I did because that pretty much depleted my funds and I haven't had a job since August.
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    sound likes its time for an ej251
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    Re: jg09's JDM STi swap

    Quote Originally Posted by decke48
    sound likes its time for an ej251
    As much as I don't want to go that route again, I'm beginning to think that I'm being forced to. This REALLY sucks, since I saw this as an opportunity to do the swap I've always dreamed of. What also sucks is that right now, I can't just not do anything and wait for things to blow over. I need a vehicle that actually runs/drives. Without the Explorer, I don't really know what I'll do. Maybe find something else that's cheap, maybe just get my act together and get a motor in the Outback. Whatever way I go, I can almost assure you that it won't be the way I want, though.
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