Flash's 95 Legacy RWD conversion complete

[lord flashheart]

Well a lot has changed here.
I'll try to the OP with up to the minute news.

[Navi271]

I'm really excited for this!

[Yamazaki]

You should change the thread title before somebody pops in and says "read the rules or lock".....
:smile:

[lord flashheart]

Done thanks.

[lord flashheart]

Started if the day by registering the car.passed safety am l/m no prob. So I picked up some new wheels. Then washed the car and polished the lights and fixed the JDM fog lights and glued on the subie embelm. Also picked a hoodscoop from a 90s outback sport, a steering wheel and mud flaps for all four wheels.http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0057.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0064.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0072.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0062.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0061.jpg

[fwa2500]

looking good but i do see one issue, you have some mean positive camber going on in the front.....i would highly recommend going for an alignment

[chuckthefuk]

cool project cant wait.
-Chuck

[lord flashheart]

Will do. And thanks guys. I'm trying to get the out back running so I can get this in the garage and swap the motor.

[elislider]

nice engine, thats what i have in my Impreza swap, v3 STi.... should make your leggy go quick!

[lord flashheart]

Did you do it yourself? Cuz I don't want to pay some one to do the wiring but I wouldn't know where to start

[chuckthefuk]

Two LCD screens.. On each screen you have the Factory Service Manual for each harness.. Move systematically until its merged.. hours of tracing and solder, shrink wrap and burns :-p
-Chuck

[lord flashheart]

Ok ill give it a try. And if not send it to metric motors. Oh yeah and I got the paint. I decided to go with rally blue, single stage. I figured forest green would be a pain to cover with white. And it will probably get banged up so no point in putting a lot of money in paint. I'll post pics of the color after I test shoot it.

[chuckthefuk]

Vinyl is also a cheap option

[lord flashheart]

Vinyl?

[chuckthefuk]

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1306/picture004jk.jpg

Vinyl Wrapping. Cheap and to the point:-D
-Chuck

[lord flashheart]

Gotcha. Well ill consider that when I put this in the wall or something. :S

[elislider]

Yeah I did the wiring in the swap myself. It's surprisingly easy, but you need both ECU pinouts. Then make a spreadsheet and start filling in the blanks. I want to do another swap project but I don't have time or space right now...

[lord flashheart]

Do u know where I can get the ecu printout? Is your impreza pretty quick? Any guesses on what kind of performance I will see from this? How high do these jdm engines rev? How much turbo lag do these have?

[elislider]

i can tell you anything you want to know about that engine you have pictured above
JDM MY97-98 v3/4 STi EJ20K
shim under bucket, 8250 stock fuel cut, 7900 redline, sodium filled valves, vf23 turbo
3 plug ecu (i sure hope you got an uncut harness and ecu with the engine)
wasted spark instead of coilpacks

the EJ20K STi is one of the most aggressively tuned factory STi's, at least 280chp

i can give you the JDM ecu pinout but i dont have a ecu pinout for a 95 Legacy

[Yamazaki]

i can tell you anything you want to know about that engine you have pictured above
JDM MY97-98 v3/4 STi EJ20K
shim under bucket, 8250 stock fuel cut, 7900 redline, sodium filled valves, vf23 turbo
3 plug ecu (i sure hope you got an uncut harness and ecu with the engine)
wasted spark instead of coilpacks

the EJ20K STi is one of the most aggressively tuned factory STi's, at least 280chp

i can give you the JDM ecu pinout but i dont have a ecu pinout for a 95 Legacy
Well, the STi Ver III and the STi Ver IV had different power outputs... In addition to that, the IV feels even stronger because of it's different tune. The III had a more linear power curve while the IV had a sharper curve when the turbo spooled up. The cams and heads were also different. The heads on the IV were the same as the V and VI.
In short, they should not be lumped together when referencing the engines.

Fun fact: The STI Ver IV was what the 22B was based off of.

[elislider]

agreed.

in other news the coolant tank on that JDM engine looks like its not original... unless its a very early MY97 engine

[lord flashheart]

That would be great if you could give me as much info on the jdm wiring as possible. and unfortunately its a cut harness. ecu and turbo come with it. I have to get my own intercooler. I couldn't find a motor with the harness intact I'm still mulling over the idea of a EZ30R swap instead of jdm swap. But I'm not sure what that intails. And a high compression hybrid 2.2-2.5 is still tumbling around in my head. The company I bought the motor from will do the wiring for about $900. But that would push the budget right to the limit. As for the motor, I'm not 100% positive its a ej20k. I just looked it over and used my jdm knowledge best as I could to figure what it was and based on the ignition system I thought it was a EJ20K. It could be a k or g of a 7 for all I know lol.

[Yamazaki]

That would be great if you could give me as much info on the jdm wiring as possible. and unfortunately its a cut harness. ecu and turbo come with it. I have to get my own intercooler. I couldn't find a motor with the harness intact I'm still mulling over the idea of a EZ30R swap instead of jdm swap. But I'm not sure what that intails. And a high compression hybrid 2.2-2.5 is still tumbling around in my head. The company I bought the motor from will do the wiring for about $900. But that would push the budget right to the limit. As for the motor, I'm not 100% positive its a ej20k. I just looked it over and used my jdm knowledge best as I could to figure what it was and based on the ignition system I thought it was a EJ20K. It could be a k or g of a 7 for all I know lol.
I suggest an EZ30D instead of an EZ30R. Supposedly, the immobilizer makes it really difficult to swap.

[chuckthefuk]

or swap EVERYTHING..... buy a salvage from auction and go nuts :-p

-Chuck

[elislider]

That would be great if you could give me as much info on the jdm wiring as possible. and unfortunately its a cut harness. ecu and turbo come with it. I have to get my own intercooler. I couldn't find a motor with the harness intact I'm still mulling over the idea of a EZ30R swap instead of jdm swap. But I'm not sure what that intails. And a high compression hybrid 2.2-2.5 is still tumbling around in my head. The company I bought the motor from will do the wiring for about $900. But that would push the budget right to the limit. As for the motor, I'm not 100% positive its a ej20k. I just looked it over and used my jdm knowledge best as I could to figure what it was and based on the ignition system I thought it was a EJ20K. It could be a k or g of a 7 for all I know lol.
do you have any more pictures of the engine, or of the vin tag from the car the engine came from (usually importers include those). how much of the wiring between the engine and the ECU is included?

[lord flashheart]

Haha well the engine swap budget is about $2000. I got the jdm motor for 900 bucks and paying metric to wire it will be another 900 plus an intercooler puts me right on for my budget.( and yes I've got an exhaust for the jdm motor.) I am just curious on the pros and cons of an h6 vs a jdm swap.

I don't have anymore pics. I'll grab some when I go to the shop tomorrow. And I'm not sure. He didn't tell me because I was just going to have them do the wiring.
Just a little side info, I'm getting the motor from metric motors in Utah. They are very highly recommended by everyone I've talked to including the dealer. They offen build 800hp subaru engines. They rebuilt the EJ255 in my outback with forged internal and basically made it a
Ej257. The guy who is doing The wiring does nothing but wire Subaru swaps. He has a sweet rhd GC with a jdm swap. I'm just telling everyone their reputation so u know I didn't get it from some shitty eBay seller.

[elislider]

theres some very reputable ebay sellers, I got my swap a few years ago from JHot.
sounds like youve already got everything mostly figured out and planned, once you get the engine in there, you'll forget about the other swaps you could have done, because the EJ20K sti is pretty awesome :)

[lord flashheart]

Ok sweet. Anything I need to look for when doing the swap as far as vacuum lines, egr, and emissions related stuff.

[lord flashheart]

So tiny update. I decided to for go the turbo option (as bad as I want to do a turbo swap) and the same company is going to build me a 200-225 HP 2.5 naturally aspired engine that will be 'plug n' play' with my wiring harness and ecu. It will have a virtually flat torque curve. Which IMO will be better for rally cross. Anything more than 200 HP on dirt is hard to control. And with the turbo lag it would make it even more difficult.( I know this because of how my outback turbo reacts on dirt. It's ether I get no over steer with no boost. Or my ass end is trying to pass me.)

[elislider]

Did you mean you're not going to do the turbo option? Wanna sell that turbo engine?

[lord flashheart]

Perhaps. Make me an offer.

[lord flashheart]

I talked to them they will ship the motor to a business for 150 and the motor was a little over 900 bucks after taxes. The motor is tested and and in good shape. If your really interested let me know and I get hi res photos of it and more info.

[lord flashheart]

So I decided to fabricate a light bar. So I got some steel and lights and went to town. Here are the results. I'm pretty happy about it.
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[chuckthefuk]

hahah the new ZeusMarine.

I'd buy one if I went up north enough. City driving mostly.
-Chuck

[lord flashheart]

I'll take that as a complement. Zues car is sick. Off road light are great for city driving cuz when someone cuts you off you just blind the F out of them. Lol...

[lord flashheart]

Oh yeah I the car and it came in about 3100lbs so I hope to shed 400-500 lbs when I strip it

[lord flashheart]

Thread hackers lol. Ps if anyone admires my light bar I am willing to make and ship one for pretty cheap.

[lord flashheart]

So update... project is coming along nicely. Picked up swim wheels of another member (I<3mysubi) and put the mud flaps on, did a gauge needle swap, and started rust repair and paint prep. Colors are going to be rally blue with gold wheels (I know how played out that is) with the race stripes on the frender like so... I also pulled a gold legacy banging to match the wheels.
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[lord flashheart]

Needles and tack face plate are from a outback
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[Reason]

Awesome, I think I may try to do the body work on my car. I did most of the bodywork on my Accord and it.was pretty good for my first time and a.rush job. More pics of the body as you make progress please.

[lord flashheart]

Yeah auto body isn't that difficult, Did you do a single stage or a dual stage (paint and clear coat) on you accord?
If you need any pointers just ask. It's mostly in the prep work. The better job you do on preping the car the better it looks 99% of the time.
I'm hoping to spray tomorrow. As well as get the transmission for it, because the first race in this baby is on Saturday Jan 15.

[Reason]

I got as far as just primer, then I traded it. All the.parts I had to fella ed didn't have dents or rust. All I had to so was fix the.plastic bumper and sand it down. I would do a 2 stage if I were to do it again.

[chuckthefuk]

woah.. your really sanding.. you dont need to go that deep ... a simple scotch pad to scuff up the clear... anyways good stuff your not all talk :-p

-Chuck

[lord flashheart]

Lol yeah I know but there are some places that the clear coat was in bad shape and some rust. I like to make sure its good. And thanks.

[Reason]

Do you know how many ounces it will take to do the whole car?

[lord flashheart]

Ounces? No. However you should need about half a gallon before mixing. But most paint shops only sell it by the gallon. So you should have about half when your done, but its nice to have extra incase you gotta replace a fender you have the exact color. I'm painting the wheels now.

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[chuckthefuk]

brings me back :smt022

[elislider]

nice! i wish i had the space to do paint and body work. i dont have enough room in my garage :(

[Reason]

I'll buy a gallon, thats what I was figuring, thanks!

[02_Legacy]

Colors are going to be rally blue with gold wheels
Awesome, I don't care how common it is, it still looks great. :smt023 WRB with gold wheels is the very defination of Subaru
I hope your paint turns out, I know if I sprayed my own car I would royaly mess it up, but you sound like you have experience.

[lord flashheart]

Well this isn't the first car I've painted.. It's not that hard. Just get a hood or something from a junk yard and practice on it till u got it down.
Painting in less than 6 hours. I may video it or some thing...

[superu]

I now following NA build thread! ;)

you and I have similar ideas/wants for more power, done with the best combo of power:trouble:wiring:downtime ratios.

nice!

[Zac]

looking good man, hopefully in the spring I can snag one of these too for a similar build :)

[RS MN]

looking good man! once this is stripped out and you have your powerplant in there, itll be a rallyx BEAST!

also, if you need any spare lights, i have 4 Hella 500 "comet" driving lights, and 2 Hella 500FF driving lights.
i have a laundry list of parts i need for my wagon, so if you want some Hella's, shoot me a PM and we can work out a trade lol.

[lord flashheart]

So I just finished painting and now its time to dry. I took some pictures but the car looks so good I am waiting to finish before I show it off. But trust me you'll all get boners.

[Zac]

cant wait to see it :)

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

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[02_Legacy]

:smt023 looks great

[lord flashheart]

Thanks now I need to strip it out and stick that motor in it.

[MadScotsMan]

Me likey!

[i<3mysubi]

that things sick for shure bro!! i can help you strip it out whenever your free.(after 4 for me :) oh by the way. if its not snowing this coming weekend and i have my lift finished, do you think i could borrow your tsw's for the rally?

[lord flashheart]

Hell yeah bro. They are sitting in your garage so you can slap em on before that if you want.
And I want to strip out the car maybe tomorrow. And put the trans in it Thursday cuz I don't wark dat day.

[superu]

Nice work on the paint dood!!

Which motor-tranny configuration did you finally decide on?


Thanks now I need to strip it out and stick that motor in it.

[lord flashheart]

Thanks. And I'm going with the stock 5 speed with a high psi pressure plate and soft clutch. And I originally wanted a jdm swap. Then I decided I wanted n/a but now I'm wavering on that...and am considering the jdm swap again... idk I just want some power...

Striped out about a couple hundred pounds, or so today. Gave it some low end which is nice.

[Reason]

Wait a minute, I thought this high comp build was complete already? I'm all messed up now... again.

[RS MN]

Wait a minute, I thought this high comp build was complete already? I'm all messed up now... again.


I'm right there with ya, reason.

[lord flashheart]

No the ej257 in the outback is done. The n/a motor is built. But still sitting in the shop. I can't start the swap until the outback is done. As I mentioned in the other thread.

[Reason]

Take the motor and sell it.

[lord flashheart]

Why?

[99gtlimited]

nice work man.

your welds look awful cold on that light bar, what kind of machine do you have? a 110v MIG I'm guessing? Crank that guy up a notch or two (if you can) and you'll get much better welds (looks and strength)

keep up the good work! I love to see people with ambition.


Post 888! woohoo!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks. And yeah. The welds arnt pretty but they got good penetration and are strong. The welder has a few setting but if I go up all the way it burns holes in the steel. Trust me they are very strong.

[Reason]

You know you should just grind down the welds. It will look a he'll of a lot better. If you have proper penetration and it wont compromise safety you can smooth it down nice. We do this to stair case rails and what not, on this bar it wont be an issue.

[lord flashheart]

Yeah I started on it but my grinder needs a new blade. And the welds don't bother me cuz they are completely hidden by the grill and lights. If I make one for someone else I would grind them down.

[superu]

if = when

;)

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

paint job looks great! Did you alter the suspension? Looks like you raised it and inch or two!

[lord flashheart]

Yea mark, if u ever want me to make you a light bar just Lemmie know. I'll hook u up for sure.

Thanks. I screwed up when I mixed the paint so up close it looks like shit.prolly fix it in spring. The only thing I've done to the suspension is slapped on a bigger sway bar. Other than that nothing..yet

[lord flashheart]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0159.jpghttp://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0158.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/gulfport_chad/IMAG0160.jpg so my buddy helped me strip it out for the race.

[elislider]

wow first blue BD ive ever seen. nice!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks. So I took it to the track for the winter cross. Took second place over some good Subarus like a built 08 2.5rs and another 1995 legacy, but lost to a modded 1998 2.5rs.
Had a blast.

[Reason]

With what motor in it?

[i<3mysubi]

dude check the sick video i made of the wintercross!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZiQwfQRUGg

[lord flashheart]

With what motor in it? haha that stock 2.2, I made the car as light as possible. Here is a pic of me at corner 5 at miller motor sports park.

[lord flashheart]

Sorry I've been slacking on updates.. I've been busy with a personal shit storm..
Anyways. The outback is killing the budget for this car :(
So rather than buying a strut tower bar.... I made one.
I got some 16 gauge sheet steel, a 3/4" pipe, some bolts that didn't have threads til about an inch below the head, and about 2 inches of rubber hose.
(the rubber hose fits snug inside the pipe and snug over the non threaded part of the bolt, so I could use it as a bushing) any ways.it took me about 5 hours and a few modifications to the original design be for it was sturdy enough to satisfy me. I am truly impressed with amount the it helped the car. I wasn't to sure about it at first but it makes a world of difference.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/01/IMAG0176-1.jpg

[superu]

Nice. I to have been thinking of making a strut tower brace... This can give me more food for thought and ideas. I assume you will, post but I'd like to ask for more pix ;)

What's the story with your outback? You had a good one then sold it and the new owners neglect it, then you got a gen 3 and it got wrecked, then fixed and a motor upgrade?? Is this a fair synopsis?
( i suppose i could look up your outback(s) thread too?)

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I like the strut brace! Def. want to see more pictures of it, because I want to make one! lol

[lord flashheart]

Ok ill see what I can do. The brace was a pain in the ass with the tools I had to work with.. give me a couple hours and ill upload some.

[lord flashheart]

ok they aint pretty but they are sure ass shit strong and it does the job. the body is noticeably more ridgid.https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/01/IMAG0178-1.jpg
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[superu]

Nice for the price!!
form follows function

[lord flashheart]

only cost 15 bucks. so.. IDGAF

[superu]

only cost 15 bucks. so.. IDGAF


IDGAF = ?

I Did Ghetto-A-Fy? :smt005

[lord flashheart]

IDGAF = i dont give a F. lol but that too

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

IDGAF = i dont give a F. lol but that too

Hey whatever works. I might make one, if I get the time!! lol

[bulldozer24]

For that price how could you complain, and with a little bit of time with a grinder it would look great.

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys!

[lord flashheart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzCDyqhNNA

[superu]

I must say LFH, I like your turn around time on this project. 2 months!!
Ooh plus another OB project, and school?

SICKNESS!!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks! I wish the outback hadn't taken up all the money for this car other wise it would have a ej205, 5speed, coilover struts, and bigger brakes. I just want to sell the out back and put the money in my car... BTW your car is coming along nicely as well. I'm so pumped to see it in person! Thing is Ill man

[lord flashheart]

So sorry about the up date or rather the lack there in. But stay tuned. I have some good stuff to post as soon as I finish this, "project". Probably a week and it should be done.

[lord flashheart]

well it seems no one is interested so there is no point in a suprise. im sure you can figure out whats going on from the pics
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[lord flashheart]

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Just picked up the tmic

[superu]

So sorry about the up date or rather the lack there in. But stay tuned. I have some good stuff to post as soon as I finish this, "project". Probably a week and it should be done.
you tease, you dirty little tease!!!

[superu]

OOH MY!!!!

So much for the 2.2 autocrosser eh?! So let me get this straight, you have a turboed gen 3 OB, AND now an EJ20'ed 95 legacy LS??
Umm, anything else?!! any other sick surprises?!!

Gosh, and here I though you were tight on the budget ;) LOL

Maybe you could help me with a tranny swap after the rally next week, but before would be better ;)

[lord flashheart]

Lol thanks. That's the response I was looking for :D I was kinda bummed that no one seemed interested in this. Here is the plan, use the parts from the ej20 to turbo my ej22 while I rebuild the ej20, then depending on how the 2.2 holds up to 6lbs, I may or may not put the ej20 long block.
I'll be installing the turbo a week from today.

[superu]

Lol thanks. That's the response I was looking for :D I was kinda bummed that no one seemed interested in this. Here is the plan, use the parts from the ej20 to turbo my ej22 while I rebuild the ej20, then depending on how the 2.2 holds up to 6lbs, I may or may not put the ej20 long block.
I'll be installing the turbo a week from today.

:smt023

Doesn't the block need to be lower compression when you boost it? Are you going to boost the 2.2 as is, and see how it holds? Seems like a bad way to treat an EJ22 :-?

But, I guess if you have blocks (and $$) to throw around. . .

Sounds like a fun project though!

[02_Legacy]

Here is the plan, use the parts from the ej20 to turbo my ej22 while I rebuild the ej20, then depending on how the 2.2 holds up to 6lbs, I may or may not put the ej20 long block.
What are you going to be using for engine management?

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

WHAT?????????? haha

[RS MN]

Lol thanks. That's the response I was looking for :D I was kinda bummed that no one seemed interested in this. Here is the plan, use the parts from the ej20 to turbo my ej22 while I rebuild the ej20, then depending on how the 2.2 holds up to 6lbs, I may or may not put the ej20 long block.
I'll be installing the turbo a week from today.

i know quite a few people running 8 psi on a stock ej22e with no engine management. i think if youve got a setup to go in if the 2.2 blows, and another car for dd, go for 8-12lbs :smt023

[lord flashheart]

Yeah I have been doing my homework and the 22should take 5lbs no prob. And that's why I got the air fuel, so I can keep an eye on it just in case. The dealer and all the tunes I've talked to says ill be fine with the set up I'm going with.

[chuckthefuk]

Wow you work fast.

Subscribed!!!

[mike-tracy]

20K STI? I want those cams, lol. I support this swap, makes more sense to me than building an N/A ej22/25. No offense to Grafton or anyone else.

[Reason]

20K STI? I want those cams, lol. I support this swap, makes more sense to me than building an N/A ej22/25. No offense to Grafton or anyone else.


Sometimes it doesn't need to make sense lol you just do it because you can :-)

Good stuff Lord, boost the shit out of the 22!

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys. im hpoing to have it done in two days, but i am wondering if thats over ambitious.

[lord flashheart]

20K STI? I want those cams, lol. I support this swap, makes more sense to me than building an N/A ej22/25. No offense to Grafton or anyone else.
i may be willing to sell the heads if your interested.

[lord flashheart]

running into problems..
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the intercooler doesnt fit the motor (even tho i was told thats the intercooler that came on it)
due to the BOV hits the IAVC (idle air control valve) :unamused: so now i was tinkering and i have 3 options...
1. exchange the intercooler for the correct one. (would take 3+ weeks)
2. i try to use the EJ22 intake (not sure if the intake pipe will fit under the intake)
or....
3.im wondering if this (see pic below) is the Blow off valve that actually goes with the motor (Anyone know?), if so i can just
seal off the BOV thats on the intercooler until i can get a different intercooler.

what do you people think.
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[httrdd]

I would not seal off the bov even though you are old going to run 5lbs. It will act as a safety for overpressurization of the engine. Now I thought you guys use the Wrx intercoolers to turbo the ej20? I would have to see a pic of the difference.

[chuckthefuk]

Why not run an aftermarket BOV with different flange or why not just run FMIC :p So much extra room with a bit more log.

-Chuck

[superu]

running into problems..

The only constant variable in auto modification and repair!!

[mike-tracy]

See, that's why I ditched my EJ20k intake manifold. The only thing "better" about it is the under-manifold turbo piping, and the coolant tank bolts on directly. With the 25D, you just need a 90* silicone hose to the turbo, and you're in business with your stock plastic intake plastic or aftermarket silicone ones.

What I did: EJ25D intake manifold, EJ22T throttlebody, IACV and TPS. Everything is on the opposite side, so there aren't any clearance issues with both my "slanty" 20g and 05 FXT TMICs. I used the 22T water pipe, so I had to grind down the lower bolt hole on the IM for the un-needed EGT crap since it comes in contact with the water temp sensor. Tried the ej20K water pipe - it fit with no cutting (water temp sensors are on the opposite side of the 22t). Just need to block off the egt port - I cut some sheetmetal and it worked. Your ej20k fuel rails swap over to the 25D IM as well.

About your 20K heads, pm me what you're looking to get. I have an extra set of 96 WRX 20g heads in good shape, if you need em.

For the BOV/BPV, you can use something like this:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/DSCF7601-1.jpg
I'm talking about the leftmost part, replaces that bov on your intercooler that's interfering with the IACV. I bought that one, minus the silly red BOV, to use my stock 22T one that looks similar to your plastic one.

[httrdd]

^^ There you go. Good info Mike.

[lord flashheart]

I would not seal off the bov even though you are old going to run 5lbs. It will act as a safety for overpressurization of the engine. Now I thought you guys use the Wrx intercoolers to turbo the ej20? I would have to see a pic of the difference.

i would still have a something to relieve pressure. idid a little research, i think the older jdm ej20 motors dont have the BOV/CBV on the intercooler, im 99.9% that this black thingy is a compressor bypass valve. and im pretty sure CBVs act in place of a BOV cuz the only difference (that i know of) is a CBV releases back to the intake before the turbo where as the BOV releases to the amosphere. im still reasearching but i think thats the case.

[lord flashheart]

See, that's why I ditched my EJ20k intake manifold. The only thing "better" about it is the under-manifold turbo piping, and the coolant tank bolts on directly. With the 25D, you just need a 90* silicone hose to the turbo, and you're in business with your stock plastic intake plastic or aftermarket silicone ones.

What I did: EJ25D intake manifold, EJ22T throttlebody, IACV and TPS. Everything is on the opposite side, so there aren't any clearance issues with both my "slanty" 20g and 05 FXT TMICs. I used the 22T water pipe, so I had to grind down the lower bolt hole on the IM for the un-needed EGT crap since it comes in contact with the water temp sensor. Tried the ej20K water pipe - it fit with no cutting (water temp sensors are on the opposite side of the 22t). Just need to block off the egt port - I cut some sheetmetal and it worked. Your ej20k fuel rails swap over to the 25D IM as well.

About your 20K heads, pm me what you're looking to get. I have an extra set of 96 WRX 20g heads in good shape, if you need em.

For the BOV/BPV, you can use something like this:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/DSCF7601-1.jpg
I'm talking about the leftmost part, replaces that bov on your intercooler that's interfering with the IACV. I bought that one, minus the silly red BOV, to use my stock 22T one that looks similar to your plastic one.
damn thanks for the info, but can u clarifie, you mentioned that the 22t throttle leaver and the IACV are swiched from the 20k?
cuz my 22e is opposite of the 20k...

[lord flashheart]

running into problems..

The only constant variable in auto modification and repair!!

seriously! i dont think ive EVER had a repair/modification go smoothly.
murpheys law i guess.. your modifications seem to go smoothly. i never see you get
and say things like "oh noz my car dont fit back together!" lol

[mike-tracy]

damn thanks for the info, but can u clarifie, you mentioned that the 22t throttle leaver and the IACV are swiched from the 20k?
cuz my 22e is opposite of the 20k...

Yeah, with the ej22T (or EJ25D) throttle body & ej25D intake manifold, the TPS, IACV are on the passenger side. Cable throttle is on the driver side, much more convenient imo.

N/A IACV:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/3126807226_3163b4a116-1.jpg
22T one makes fitment easier since the piping goes up instead of straight out.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/3126813160_a1ed4a7956-1.jpg


Here's a great resource I used, some of the stuff carries over to your motor as well.

http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=38247

You caught me, I was using the words bpv/bov interchangably. The older stuff uses BPV. Which is great if you don't care about the noise.

[lord flashheart]

ok sweet, i wasnt 100% what you were talking about. thanks for clearing that up. im going to go look at my intake right now.
this is what it looks like without the cbv
btw mike the cbv goes in lou of the bov right?
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/IMAG0247-1.jpg

[mike-tracy]

I'm not sure what CBV stands for, but that is correct. There's no way that TMIC came with that intake manifold due to the 20k's idle air control valve sticking out in that spot, that's why I mentioned the 25d stuff above. You're going to have to decide which one you want to keep, the manifold or that TMIC. The old wrx & sti "slanty" tmic's would work with that manifold since the bpv stuff is on the bottom side hose that goes to the turbo.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/IMG_3992-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/IMG_4000-1.jpg
^that's an STI one, WRX ones are black. Obviously it's an aftermarket hose, but the hard plastic oem one is routed the same way.

I have a black wrx one if you're interested. Oh and PM me about your 20k heads.
-Mike

[lord flashheart]

OK! sweet. ill PM you in a minute. so i have discovered some info. the EJ22e IACV IS the same as the EJ22T. (see pics) also, this intercooler wont work with my 22E intake period. because the intercooler cant fit between the firewall and the throttle body (see pics) SO! that means i can ether

A) get a EJ25D intake, forget the CBV that goes with the motor, use the CBV that is on the intercooler, and re-pipe the turbo.
or
B) plug the CBV/BOV port on the IC, use the EJ20K intake, with the black CBV that came with the 20K.

which intake will cause the least problems with in terms of VAC lines?

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[lord flashheart]

oh and CBV stands for compressor bypass valve.

[mike-tracy]

See now you're getting into stuff that I know about, lol. The 06-07 WRX, and 04-06 Forester XT (maybe later years, not sure) will fit on your N/A intake manifold and keep the TMIC's "cbv". "Slanty" intercooler will clear on the N/A as well.

Look at the EJ22T IACV picture closely, the metal outlet is pointing UP, not straight out like your n/a one. I wonder if they unthread? if so then you could use the ej20k iacv metal hose on your 22e iacv. Otherwise, you could just buy some hoses and make it fit, but the "L" shaped piping is so much easier. The electrical plug is the same, though, n/a and 22t.

The reason you just can't use the 20k iacv (in the n/a location) is the electrical connectors are different. And I don't know enough about the electrical to tell you if you can repin your harness with the 20k plugs and it'd work, or if it sends a completely different signal than your ecu is expecting.

The vacuum lines are simple with the ej25D, I used this diagram:
http://www.surrealmirage.com/vrg3/vacuum/

I went with option A, it seemed easier at the time, especially after reading my buddy's build thread about fitment problems. He used a Forester EJ20G which is related to your 20k motor. http://bbs.legacycentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40398
He did get it running eventually, and his car with a 9.0 CR motor, 4.44 tranny and a TD05-18g was a beast. Then blew it since the tune was for an 8-8.5 cr motor, lol.

With the right intercooler, you could keep your current setup as is. This would prob be your easiest or quickest option, so you don't have to customize or reroute things too much like option A.

[jdmg3]

go look at my build thread. I installed a 20k with V6 intercooler. I modded the BPV output and I cut the clutch master reservoir to make it fit.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18313 (http://www.sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18313)

[lord flashheart]

Thanks guys! I'm sure I'm gonna need a lot of help from u guys.

In the mean time let's play 'what's wrong with this pic'
I tore down my 20K to find this.
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Answer: one should be at top dead center. Which mean a broken rod I'm thinkin.

[superu]

[quote="lord flashheart":17u77p2l]running into problems..

The only constant variable in auto modification and repair!!

seriously! i dont think ive EVER had a repair/modification go smoothly.
murpheys law i guess.. your modifications seem to go smoothly. i never see you get
and say things like "oh noz my car dont fit back together!" lol[/quote:17u77p2l]

LOL and thanks :smt023

yeah, so, there's the difference between seat cushions/struts/springs (the struts and springs did gave me some conflicts though) and inter-model turbo stuffs...
Rest assured I have run into frustrations here and there....
Just image what I'll come up with if I ever go the EG33 or EZ30 route!! :smt005
Not having a shop, lift or air tools, ooh and the only motor I've ever pulled/swapped was an EA71 from my brat!

good work digging into it and good info from all the folks here!! :smt026

[lord flashheart]

Lol yeah. BTW I might pm you with suspension questions.
I've realized I like working on motors but I hate working on cars.
But I did accumulate more parts for my project and put an exhaust on it that went smoothly.

[LGT Kirby]

Dude not cool on the broken rod.

They told you it was in good running order when you bought it?

Other than that, great progress on the whole project. Really interesting stuff!

-Kirby

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

dude that sucks! But the build is going well. Good work!!!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks guys! No they told me the one of the cylinders had no compression. Which is fine cuz I into wanted it for the heads, intake, exhaust, turbo, injectors etc. They gave me a steal on it. Paid 400 bucks for it. And from what I found the heads alone are worth that. I can't decide on keeping the heads or selling em to recoup my loss and put other goodies in it. BTW I think I might go RWD.

[lord flashheart]

so on sat. i went to the last winter auto cross and tryed drifting. didnt work but atleast it wasnt a snowie ditch.. and i started the project today. didnt make as much progress as i wanted to but, its a good start
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[chuckthefuk]

Damn you work fast

[httrdd]

Yea he does! Looks like fun at the track.

[Navi271]

Dude nice wipeout! Is that on stock suspension?

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys. i am unemployed now so i lots of time lol
and yeah its stock. i just drive crazy. i wish i had pics of turn 11. those were some CRAZY drifts.
anyways, since i am unemployed i took the intake off and swiched a few of the sensors, fuel lines, the coolant crossover pipe, etc then painted the intake and mounted the exhaust. i need to:
to mount the turbo
weld in a bung for the oil lines,
hook up some coolant lines
notch out the cross member
then the motor will be ready to go in,
however i still have to do the trans swap. :unamused:

anyways. as always here are the pics.

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[lord flashheart]

oh yeah. you may have noticed the white hood scoop on the hood on top of the car. its a 04ish WRX hood scoop. i needed something to pump air thru the intercooler. so i got it. it looks great BTW

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

Ok so my ADD kicked in, and when you run through your pics of your "drifting", you make a "flip book" video! hahahahaha

[lord flashheart]

So the majority of day a spent running into one problem after another. Driving all over the damn place getting fittings, hoses, etc. Anyways I got a custom hose made for the oil-in-line and and that the only thing worth motioning as far as progress goes. I'm going to be gone for about 3 days so you won't get any up dates till Monday. As usual. Pics below.
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[i<3mysubi]

i thought you were going to photodocument it, get it all done , then suprise everyone. btw i think i am going to get that 91 turbo legacy with the spare motor what do you think

[lord flashheart]

that was the plan but if you read on page 4 or whatever no one was interested in the suprise. so i said F-it. and i am photo documenting everything, not all of the pics get posted. and i say DO EET!
you should snag it and put a TD04 on it. and a REAL intercooler on it.

[i<3mysubi]

i think i am gonna get it. i am way stoked on it. he has tons of extra parts for it, including more plastic timing covers(even though they are in perfect shape. and he has a forester XT intercooler that he is gonna give me. i let you know.

[elislider]

oh man where do i begin
- you have a v5/6 TMIC which is wrong as youve obviously found out
- the black bypass valve is the correct one for your engine. you need this intercooler: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/091217/STI_TMIC- ... es.hu_.jpg (http://kepfeltoltes.hu/091217/STI_TMIC-2_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg) (notice the built-in elbow)
- the ej20k STi heads are some of the best heads ever. they are made for factory 7900 redline and 8250 fuel cut. shim under bucket. very good valvetrain etc
- i dont know why you dont just use all the EJ20K stuff in its complete form and rebuild the shortblock or swap in another. the engine you have is so awesome and youre cannibalizing it just to do a franken-turbo setup. unless the EJ20K you bought doesnt have wiring/ecu, then i can see how it would be kinda difficult. still, the heads are where its at... you should definitely use them if you can
- that Ej20 block is toast. it must be a broken rod if the piston is rotated at all.

- image sequence was neat, i made you a gif for fun


https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/QtTF2dgif-1.jpg

[lord flashheart]

Bj. You should get it. It's a sick car. Sorry I didn't text back yesterday. I'm out in dugway and service is spotty at best.

Elislider. Yeah I am working a deal out for the correct intercooler.
At the time I wasn't sure which bypass was correct cuz it came with to, one on the intercooler and one kinda attached to the intake.
The reason I'm not doing a full swap is
I only had about a grand to do this and the motor was $430 with no ecu or wiring.
I know the heads are awesome. If I had a Wrx I would keep them. This seems to be the best option for the money. Especially because I'm trying to keep my compression ratio. If I change the heads it drops my compression and I loose my low end. And if I run a lot of power then I have to change the trans to handle the power. And plus all the wiring head aches.
The 2.2 is dime a dozen here so its not the end of the world if I kill it.
My tuner has a 2.2 that he is running like 8 lbs on and its fast enough for now.
And thanks that gif is cool.

[elislider]

ah yeah the black plastic BPV is the stock EJ20K one that dumps back to the intake. the one that came on the TMIC you got also dumps back to the intake, it just routes differently (more like USDM wrx)

if you dont have the wiring or ECU then yeah it would be hard to do a full swap

[i<3mysubi]

dude, that thing must be sick! i am way excited for this. i will admit i got a little sick and tired of working on cars here for a while but i blame that on my stupid water pump. i can't wait to see this engine in person, and help. anyway i got the legacy, my parents think it is a peice of junk but they dont know what it can become. its pretty quick, you'll see it monday.

[i<3mysubi]

oh and maybe you should consider, air/water intercooler. just a thought, less space and way more efficient.

[lord flashheart]

I agree Elislider and thanks for the info.

Thanks bj. Yeah I think it was a defective pump, did that guy get it taken care of?
I'm so stoked for you man! Probably a little quicker than your tired old 2.2 in the wagon ;)
And your parents know nothing about cars. If I recall your parents thought all your cars (ranger, pathfinder, the legacy, etc.) Were pieces of junk.
Yet you dad was the one who bought that stupid Isuzu trooper..... and the jeep wagoneer.... And the PT cruiser. Anyways I'm on my way home now. And. will be home around 5 or 6 so I drive by and see it. But you'll have to call me after work tomorrow so we can chill.
I have been thinking a water to air but they all seem spendy if I can find a cheap one I will. I found a company that makes TONs of fmic kits and tmics for cheap. I think its cxracing.com

[i<3mysubi]

sweet man, ya i will have to share some ideas that i came up with, and text me when your coming through kaysville.

[lord flashheart]

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[superu]

unemployed with money = GREAT combo!!
I have the unemployed thing and the ideas thing just NOT the money thing ;)


this guy is jealous!

se you this weekend?

[superu]

ALSO, you were talking (a few posts back) about the EJ20 STi heads being the best ever... Wouldn't dropping those on your EJ22 make it a higher compression setup, like the 2.5 with 2.2 heads frankenmotor, only with the bomber EJ22 as the base??

Just a thought, as I think of ways to bump up my EJ22's output..

[lord flashheart]

lol unemployment ftw!
anyways, your probably right, but i already sold the heads to mike tracy. but i can get more heads.
so your coming to the championship this weekend?

[superu]

lol unemployment ftw!
anyways, your probably right, but i already sold the heads to mike tracy. but i can get more heads.
so your coming to the championship this weekend?

I've been planning on coming up this afternoon, but this morning my kid's cough (now 6 days going) got a little worse (croupy, yuck).
I canceled the day care/sitter for today (i was going to come up around noon, but now not till wife's off work at 5)...
So now i'm planning to leave moab around 5-6...

some time down the road (when i get an income) i might be interested in doing the 2.0 head swap on my 22, to see if i get a higher compression 2.2 awesome!

are you coming out this weekend? competing or not?

[lord flashheart]

man im sorry to hear about your kid, hope he feels better soon. and of coarse. me and the OBXT will be their. not enough moneys to enter but ill take pics and video!

on a side note, i got offered a really cool job! i took it and i start on monday!

[lord flashheart]

my leggy is kinda at a stand still, that is until USPS brings me a few boxes of goodies.
(one of the packages is from mike-tracy so you know there is something good inside!)

[superu]

man im sorry to hear about your kid, hope he feels better soon. and of coarse. me and the OBXT will be their. not enough moneys to enter but ill take pics and video!

on a side note, i got offered a really cool job! i took it and i start on monday!

He's good, just a persistent productive cough... go figure..
I'm leaving Moab NOW!!

Ahh, see you thwn with the gen 3 OB turbo?!! AWESOME!

see ya then!!

JOB? what, and screw up all your time?!! J/K good on you, help stimullate the economy by providing services not JUST consuming! ;)

seems like I might should (you like that, might-should?...LOL) meet this Mike-Tracy person ;)

laters dude!

[superu]

Did you come out Sunday? Didn't see ya if you did. I wanted to check out your OBXT, but next time I guess.

I'd love to see what pix/video you got though.
cheers,

-mw-

[lord flashheart]

Man I got pretty busy and didn't get a chance to come out. After all the track is like an hour away.... but next time you come up. You should try to come up august 20th to the big beach meet. Perhaps join slcsubaru.com. its by far my favorite forum. I'm almost always on the "shout box" which is just a chat box at the top of the page.

Anyways. Back on topic. I got two of the 10 packages I'm expecting today in the mail. :)

[lord flashheart]

Ok today I got the last 4 of the 10 boxes in the mail. So now I have 95% of the parts I need to put it together but I was talking to my boss and he has been pressuring me to go all out with 625cc injectors, lower the compression with the same heads we use on or 464hp sandrail engines. I'm not going to bother telling which heads cuz half the people on this forum don't believe the shit I say. so the engine that is going in is just a temporary thing till I build my other engine.

[lord flashheart]

put my seats in today!
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[kunchris]

running into problems..
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the intercooler doesnt fit the motor (even tho i was told thats the intercooler that came on it)
due to the BOV hits the IAVC (idle air control valve) :unamused: so now i was tinkering and i have 3 options...
1. exchange the intercooler for the correct one. (would take 3+ weeks)
2. i try to use the EJ22 intake (not sure if the intake pipe will fit under the intake)
or....
3.im wondering if this (see pic below) is the Blow off valve that actually goes with the motor (Anyone know?), if so i can just
seal off the BOV thats on the intercooler until i can get a different intercooler.

what do you people think.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2011/03/IMAG0244-1.jpg
actually the intercooler in picture is from a version 6 STI and the intake manifold are from the version 3. as you can see the version 6 has the metal blow off valve on the intercooler and the version 3 has a divorced plastic blow off that routes back on the right side of the motor, this goes with the jdm foresters too

[mike-tracy]

^^ that's what elislider said a page ago ;) Out of curiosity, kunchris, how do you tell a ver 3 and ver 4 sti intake manifold apart?

[superu]

nice seats? what from?

[LGT Kirby]

^99-01 2.5RS I think?

[lord flashheart]

GOOD CALL!
Anyways progress has been kinda slow in the car. But I got the diff matched, transmission bolted in, clutch pedals in, etc.
Basically the car is ready to receive the engine.
however, now that I got a job at metric motors, and have income. Plus I now have a full machine shop, mechanic shop at my disposal, and I get cost on JDM STi engines, I may scrap the 2.2 turbo idea. And get a EJ20k/ej20g and swap it in.
I may also drop the EJ22E-T in, for the summer then in the fall (when my bank account recovers from this project) ill do the swap.

[kunchris]

^^ that's what elislider said a page ago ;) Out of curiosity, kunchris, how do you tell a ver 3 and ver 4 sti intake manifold apart?
sorry for the late reply. the intake manifold for the version 3 has the coil pack in the middle of the manifold, and the version 4,5,and 6 have the coil pack on the manifold still, but s bit to the right side and its s little boxy in shape. i heard in my rally circles that it flows best, but i am sure the ver1-3 had the best manifold design. thanks

[lord flashheart]

if your going to do something wrong, do it right.
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if your gonna do it right do it RIGHT!



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[lord flashheart]

if anyone has questions ask me. im too lazy to type right now, im running on like 4 hours of sleep in 48 hours. so imma go crash

[Zac]

so whats the final engine setup?

[lord flashheart]

well, its a EJ22E block, i was going to upgrade to eagle rods and wiseco pistons but got lazy. so stock internals
then the heads are EJ25D hydraulic. which i rebuilt 100%, are essentially new heads.
i used the EJ25D hydraulic heads for a couple reasons
1) the cam lobe on N/A engines are bigger than on turbo cars.
because turbo cars have the boost to push air in so you dont
need a huge lobe.
2) EJ25D heads are super cheap and easy to come by.
3) The combustion chamber is only slightly bigger than the Stock EJ22 heads.
this put my compression ratio right where i wanted it. roughly 8.7:1. (static)
4) the EJ25D heads actually flow as good as a set of STi heads. (but they are limited on power)
5) the EJ25D hydraulic heads have a oil galley plug (for the buckets), that i can tap into for the turbo feed.
(this opens up some space were i originally had the oil line) which was the biggest problem i have run into durring this build lol.

polished and engraved valve covers, aluminum low profile oil filler, powder coated fuel rails, new timing belt and all that crap.

the intake manifold is a ej25 manifold, that i made some modifications to, i.e welded off the IACV (fitment issues)
i also eliminated the EGR crap.

if we get time this week we might dyno it but, their is a EG33 twin turbo sitting on our dyno, so if the engine is done and the EG33 is still on the dyno ill just put it in the car, if the dyno is open ill dyno it. if i do i want to make 260-300HP which is a LOT, at this altitude and considering our dyno is VERY VERY conservative. most STis' only make about 220 at this altitude.
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[xoSubieLegacyxo]

thats just sick! haha

[lord flashheart]

^yeah its cool. it has forged pistons and 8:1 CR pushing 26lbs of boost.
BTW i just realized we have the same name.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

its a great name!!!!! lol

[superu]

woah!!

[elislider]

^^ that's what elislider said a page ago ;) Out of curiosity, kunchris, how do you tell a ver 3 and ver 4 sti intake manifold apart?
sorry for the late reply. the intake manifold for the version 3 has the coil pack in the middle of the manifold, and the version 4,5,and 6 have the coil pack on the manifold still, but s bit to the right side and its s little boxy in shape. i heard in my rally circles that it flows best, but i am sure the ver1-3 had the best manifold design. thanks
well, not quite. v3/4 are nearly identical in every way, the STi has a different turbo between the years (v3 = vf23, v4 = vf24) and i think a slightly different ECU tune, but basically identical. the v5/6 are also nearly identical to each other but different than v3/4

[kunchris]

^^ that's what elislider said a page ago ;) Out of curiosity, kunchris, how do you tell a ver 3 and ver 4 sti intake manifold apart?
sorry for the late reply. the intake manifold for the version 3 has the coil pack in the middle of the manifold, and the version 4,5,and 6 have the coil pack on the manifold still, but s bit to the right side and its s little boxy in shape. i heard in my rally circles that it flows best, but i am sure the ver1-3 had the best manifold design. thanks
well, not quite. v3/4 are nearly identical in every way, the STi has a different turbo between the years (v3 = vf23, v4 = vf24) and i think a slightly different ECU tune, but basically identical. the v5/6 are also nearly identical to each other but different than v3/4

wow :shock: i didnt know the vf24 was used on any STI model thanks. coz i have a friend with a 97 v3 GF8 wagon with a vf23 and another with a v4 GF8 wagon with a vf28....all unmodified, and the v3 is way faster and more aggressive which to my knowledge comes from the more aggressive heads and better factory tune. so basically the v3 heads should be a good catch. :smt023

[elislider]

all the v3-6 STi heads (ej20k and ej207 sti) are way better than the regular v1-6 WRX versions (ej20g, ej205, ej20k/7 non-sti). they have an 8250ish-rpm factory fuel cut, if that says anything.

the VF28 came on the v5/6 STi. about the same as vf23. it sounds like maybe the v4 GF8 wagon was a regular WRX with a turbo upgrade and the v3 GF8 was an STi. I did a v3 STI swap from a MY97 JDM wagon (v-limited :) ) and it was definitely a great engine. running stock it was pretty quick :) theres lots of bolt-on upgrades available, but the tuning options on JDM engines are kinda slim, or they cost a lot. theres definitely no AccessPort for a EJ20K !

[lord flashheart]

Back on topic...
List of things I still need to do to get the car on the road
New drive line install
Wire the car for the 5speed (info would be great if anyone has some)
Cut hood for intercooler
Install oil pan.
Cut cross member for up pipe
Engine install.

[superu]

Back on topic...
List of things I still need to do to get the car on the road
New drive line install
Wire the car for the 5speed (info would be great if anyone has some)
Cut hood for intercooler (maybe just get an OB hood so you have a scoop?)
Install oil pan.
Cut cross member for up pipe

:smt005 and last but not least...


Engine install.

[lord flashheart]

Lol I know that is the big thing. My boss keeps pressuring me to dyno it but I really want to put it in!

[superu]

And I must say your tease about the twin turboed EG33 sitting on the dyno was completely unnecessary!!!!

;)

[lord flashheart]

I don't know what your talking about ;)

[lord flashheart]

Well I aim tested my engine today.
Leak down was great, compression is great.
How ever between the addition of a turbo, and a hydraulic liters the oil pressure was only at about 22lbs. Which is a little low. So that means the STi oil pump is going on.

[lord flashheart]

Blew up the turbo on my outback...
Anyone know of some good replacement turbos for the VF40?

[superu]

Blew up the turbo on my outback...
Anyone know of some good replacement turbos for the VF40?

BUMMER!!! How'd you manage to do that?
So now you're 2 cars down to almost one running car?

[elislider]

Blew up the turbo on my outback...
Anyone know of some good replacement turbos for the VF40?
well, theres the VF40. and then theres the VF40. :)
to be honest without a tune on the outback you should really only replace it with another VF40. but if you were going to get a tune then you could go with pretty much any VF turbo with the 2-bolt flange (at the compressor -> TMIC) like an 08+ WRX. you can usually find used VF40's for $300-400. ive even seen a few brand new ones sold for around $600 (new from dealer they are $1200 retail, $950 discount)

[lord flashheart]

Well I think it had been damaged from the whole rod bearing thing. The vf40 is not super reliable.
I'm actually down 3 cars. I also have a S10.


Yes. I am aware that I would need a tune for a diff turbo. And I know the VF40 has a flange to the intercooler. The reason I was asking is I would like to know specific numbers. I.e. VF52 etc. I'm considering the BNR supercars VF40 upgrade. I've also herd there is a Eco turbo and a garret that will work. But like I said I need model names.

[Zac]

you can bolt in a vf40, vf46, vf52

for the 46 just use your 40 boost actuator and pill

52 you'll need a tune

[lord flashheart]

Awesome! Know anything about the evo turbo working?

[Zac]

one directly from a Evo? Dont think so

Eventually i'll be going 16G from BNR, but thats a long time lol

[lord flashheart]

I can't decide between a bnr or a used turbo.....

[Zac]

send your blown vf40 to bnr and get a 16g wheel put in :)

[lord flashheart]

Yeah thats what I cant decide on...
I don't know if I'm gonna keep the car.so I'm not going dump a bunch of money into it if I'm gonna sell it.

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

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[02_Legacy]

nice storyline of pics lol. So did it break down or are you just getting it transported to the races? And did the tow truck break down or is that just for a pic? lol.

[lord flashheart]

No the I was towing it to the shop I work at because I will be dynoing and installing the engine this weekend.
And yeah the tow truck broke down on the way lol. And the trophy was just to show a stock legacy with wheel/tire upgrades can do well.

[lord flashheart]

so.. i doubt anyone is following my thread.... but what the hell..
so over the weekend (when i was suppose to be installing the engine)
the customer decided to change the turbo set up on his EG33 twin turbo, so it needed to be re tuned.
so it looks like the soonest i will dyno is the 20th of this month. which is fine cuz im doing stuff for the national guard till the 19th anyways so i guess it worked out.
sorry no pics.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

waiting to see the dyno results!!!

[Chausx]

I wanna see the dyno results of that 3.3! and yours too but since I'm building the 3.3 it never hurts to see number!

[lord flashheart]

Tell me about it.
The eg33 is being tweeked a bit. They decided to sacrifice the top end power for drivability. On pump right now it makes 470hp we could go to race fuel to get more but he wants pump gas. The powerband is amazing.

On my engine I'm hoping for 200hp

[mike-tracy]

Tell me about it.
The eg33 is being tweeked a bit. They decided to sacrifice the top end power for drivability. On pump right now it makes 470hp we could go to race fuel to get more but he wants pump gas. The powerband is amazing.

On my engine I'm hoping for 200hp

470? jesus, what tranny is being used?

[lord flashheart]

Well this is going into a sand rail so a 2WD trans will be used. And 470 isn't that much. We have pushed almost double that thru a similar setup.

[hansvonaxion]

so.. i doubt anyone is following my thread.... but what the hell..


Bumping morale.

:smt023

[elislider]

what obscene acts of violent or sexual nature do i need to commit to get this:

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[lord flashheart]

Thanks for the moral.


Lol I knew it was a mater of time before someone spotted that. It's a RHD WRX, my boss is doing a eg33 twin turbo set up on it at some point. And Idk if he would let it go for any reasonable price. Lol I get home in 5 days. So hopefully we can get back on track with my car.

[elislider]

Sorry for going off topic but I have to know, how did that get into the USA? Was it brought in as an empty shell from canada?

I should put disclaimers on all my posts warning people I'm "the impreza guy" pandering around in legacy clothes for a while :-P

[lord flashheart]

Your good man, I would have to ask I know he has mad hookup but that's about it.

Thinkin of changing my set up (yea, I know...again)

[SeriousSubaru]

subscribed!

[superu]

Your good man, I would have to ask I know he has mad hookup but that's about it.

Like the kind of mad hook up that'll source a NA JDM D/R 5MT? :wink:


Thinking of changing my set up (yea, I know...again)

:smt009 :smt005 :smt010 :smt017 :neutral: :cool: :grin:

[lord flashheart]

Haha thanks for the subscribe! It's always a compliment. Hopefully be putting back together next weekend, as the national guard called opon us again....

I asked him about it and he told me there was no jdm dual range ever married to an EJ series to his knowledge.
Is it a Austrailian thing?

[elislider]

i hadnt ever heard of that for an EJ but apparently Australia and maybe other places did get a dual-range on the forester (maybe other models?)

[Soul Shinobi]

I've seen it on Australian and Japanese Legacys.

[superu]

Haha thanks for the subscribe! It's always a compliment. Hopefully be putting back together next weekend, as the national guard called opon us again....

I asked him about it and he told me there was no jdm dual range ever married to an EJ series to his knowledge.
Is it a Austrailian thing?

they're naturally aspirated JDM, mostly behind EJ20s
It is aussie yes but also JDM, europe, new zealand, latin america and the middle east... pretty much everywhere but north america :smt011

here's a pic of a JDM one on Canada:
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and one out of an 05 leggo
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[superu]

i hadnt ever heard of that for an EJ but apparently Australia and maybe other places did get a dual-range on the forester (maybe other models?)

yeah but since the birth of EJs, 89 there (90 here), they've always had and still have dual range full time AWD, not just the part time 4WD like the older GLs, etc.

[lord flashheart]

My boss emailed our supplier so keep your fingers crossed.

[elislider]

you should bring in a jdm impreza for me :) i'll fly over and drive it home

[lord flashheart]

lol i dont think it would be worth it. im sure it would be pricey as fuck.

[lord flashheart]

ITS ALIVE!
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[lord flashheart]

Well I got it running nice.
Made it 10 miles or so before shit started to come unglued...

[elislider]

nice! I'm supremely jealous of your lifts

[Huffer]

Made it 10 miles or so before shit started to come unglued...

Uh oh...

[lord flashheart]

Thanks man. They are the shops. But after hours is 'hobby shop time' as my boss calls it.

Most of the issues have been resolved. Although I think it has a boost leak, a bad radiator cap, and a slight miss fire.

Your probably a good person to ask Elislider, what would cause a car to cut out at WOT but not 95% throttle? Amount of goost is Irrelitive. Does it at 4lbs, and does it at 7lbs.

[02_Legacy]

Could it be the TPS? maybe it is defective so it reads normal up to WOT. Then instead of reading WOT it reads fully closed. You need to hook a scanner up to it and see what is happening and what all the sensors are reading when it dies.

[superu]

So what's your final setup with this Fing crazy-sounding beast??!!! :smt023




then :smt011 to the stuff falling apart down the road.

[lord flashheart]

hmm tps.. interesting. i may scope it and see.

"final" (for now...) is a EJ22E w/ 96 EJ25D hydraulic DOHC heads. that puts the estimated static compression ratio to 8.5 to 1. (ive had a hard time nailing down the exact CR because the 1996 EJ25D heads are different from the 1997 and up EJ25D. the 96 is a hydraulic lifter, with a "oval" roof shaped combustion chamber. the 1997-1999 heads were mechanical, and had a clover shaped combustion chamber. so.... the exact combustion chamber volume is hard to pin point because no one specifies if they are hydraulic or mechanical.
the turbo is a VF10 (for fitment issues)
im running about 8-9lbs. but because of the boost leak i turned it down to about 5-6lbs


the future mods are as follows, (in order that they are 'likely' to get done)
forester XT intercooler
06 LGT front brakes
Outback H6 rear brakes
JDM STi 5Spd trans
Stinger EMS
850cc fuel injectors
VF22
Ej257 shortblock,
EJ25D mechanical heads, CNC shrouded valves (flow bench tested to be more effective than a port n polish), knife edge, gasket matching and brian crowley valves, retainers, cams etc.

[lord flashheart]

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[elislider]

TPS is probably most likely, either its going bad or it needs to be recalibrated. unfortunately they are pretty difficult to calibrate so you basically have to replace it. anything else would be more random. like it could be MAF... or fuel pump (but probably not). basically anything that the ECU tells to do more at WOT. could be an open/closed loop thing, but also probably not that.

my instinct wants to say that because you have a oddly frankenstein-ed build, it could be some weird thing that will be really hard to trace

[lord flashheart]

Interesting. I'm still working out the bugs, and I am going to play with injectors to see if I can get more boost

[superu]

Interesting. I'm still working out the bugs, and I am going to play with injectors to see if I can get more boost

good project, nice compilation (of thread an parts)!

So what are you at and what are you thinking RE: compression and boost?

Are you stock 9:1 comp and (if I remember without re-reading..) are you at 7-8 lbs boost, but thining more and bigger injectors?

inquiring minds want to know ;)

[lord flashheart]

more or less, i dont know what the compression ratio is, but to the best of my knowledge it is about 8.5:1 to about 8.7:1 i believe.
i am planning on playing with a couple different things
im going to play with E85 conversion kit for more power.
360 injectors. i think the computer might be able to trim it out, at an idle, but when under boost the injectors should keep up with 9 to 10 lbs. i wont mention names but, someone who has a legacy turbo, was saying "well u can run 12lbs on the 360cc injectors and u should be able to run 9 lbs on the stock 280cc injectors" well there is a problem with so-and-sos theory is volume vs. pressure. on the stock ej22 Sohc that would be true. however, i have knife edged, gasket matched, valve shrouded EJ25D heads. i.e i have higher volume, going into my engine so i dont need pressure.

for example, if a two inch pipe flows 5 gallons a minute, a one inch pipe would need to be twice the pressure in order to flow the same amount.
(i know those numbers are not realistic. but the princapal stands)
same goes for air flow to engines.

[lord flashheart]

lol i bought a gently/slightly used 1989 nissan pathfinder :D $300
its got a FRESHLY rebuilt engine, built and installed by us!

[Soul Shinobi]

That's what I paid for my Legacy! And it was inspectable :3

[lord flashheart]

Sorry I have been neglecting you sl-i... I have been insanely busy. Getting married, moving, work, plus 4 busted cars.

[Huffer]

4 busted cars.

I think I see the problem here.

[Soul Shinobi]

Getting married

I think I see the problem here.





...

But really, best of luck man! :grin:

[lord flashheart]

this message has been edited. because i dont need u people knowing my bidniz

[superu]

I'll congratulate you!!!
Those kids don't know a good thing...all they know is what they're fed...

good on you brother!!! Congrats again on the weddin'!

[lord flashheart]

Let's try this again.
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[Huffer]

I wonder what the neighbors think....

[Soul Shinobi]

We can only hope it's something like "Cool!"

[lord flashheart]

Some think its cool. Others not so much. I live in Utah, and there are a lot of close minded, judgemental people here. A lot of people don't like me because Im the ONLY person in a 4 block radious that doesnt go to church, works on Sunday, likes to have a beer now and then. Etc.

[lord flashheart]

Btw not sure if anyone noticed but those heads are different. Those are mechanical. Not hydralic. Also this is gasket matched, knife edged, and ported and polished. I went to put in the motor and realized I forgot some stuff... So probably tomorrow

[Huffer]

^^ slickness!