Muse's '02 H6 VDC "Blitzen 6" - the un-update!

[amgarrety]

It has two BH Outbacks. Mt Airy is even worse- no 3rd gens at all!

My junkyard has no 3rd gens, and only two second gens. And that does it for Subarus. Stupid.

Also, are there any pictures of a bare Blitzen trunk underside? I'm curious about the mounting points of the spoiler.

[Reason]

What doesnt fit properly

[Dead91silvia]

I'll be there in 2 weeks if you want to try then. I found out today that a USDM 240sx rear bumper doesnt fit on a JDM 180sx... But it can be made to fit...

Did you get any pics of the fitment?

[Yamazaki]

Here are the best of the poor quality pictures I took yesterday:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-07-10_13-23-35_583_zps0ch39c3a.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-07-10_13-23-35_583_zps0ch39c3a.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-07-10_13-28-59_434_zpsxnk1mcbj.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-07-10_13-28-59_434_zpsxnk1mcbj.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-07-10_13-23-02_98_zpsap2f9zpw.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-07-10_13-23-02_98_zpsap2f9zpw.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-07-10_13-22-12_80_zps50nn9eiq.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-07-10_13-22-12_80_zps50nn9eiq.jpg.html)


Again, I think it might look better once everything is swapped out. The window needs to be changed though. There's no going around that.

[98legwag]

That junkyard near you may have a Legacy with the right doors.
It has two BH Outbacks. Mt Airy is even worse- no 3rd gens at all!

Yeah, Mt Airy usually only has 2nd gens. The one in Hawkins Point, I think had a 3rd gen or two last time I was there, but that was over a month ago. I don't remember if it had sedans or wagons.

[dodik]

from those pics, the profile of the doors looks to be the same so it may only be because of hinges. If you going to get another set of doors make sure they are from sedan. I know for a fact that 2nd gen sedan/wagon windows are slightly different, and most likely 3rd gens as well. Did you try fenders on yet? Outback fenders are a bit wider than legacy so im curious if those will fit.

[Yamazaki]

If you going to get another set of doors make sure they are from sedan. I know for a fact that 2nd gen sedan/wagon windows are slightly different, and most likely 3rd gens as well.
Are you sure? I never test fit the doors to see if they're different because June 24th, 2010 Reason posted in this thread:

Wagon and sedan doors are the same.
Nobody argued or disagreed so I took that at face value, so all of the doors I got are from wagons. But they seem to be similar enough to fit enough to open and close... We'll see when it's all put together.

[dodik]

doors are the same windows are not

[Yamazaki]

That would explain the poor window fitment then....

whoops. :oops:

[Dead91silvia]

doors are the same windows are not

If your talking about the 2nd gen, they will swap, but they are different. The differance is the wagon has a cut out for the speaker, the sedan dose not. I might just hang one of my wagon doors on my BD to make sure, but I dont think I'm wrong.

That fitment is odd! I'm thinking most of that might be corectable with hinge work/modification. Also, there is a lot of adjustment when it come to body panels. It looks like the glass is comepletly different though. Just know that changing glass in a Subaru is a pain, it not like a Toyota.

[98legwag]

That would explain the poor window fitment then....

whoops. :oops:


Are the JDM doors from a wagon?

[Yamazaki]

That would explain the poor window fitment then....

whoops. :oops:

Are the JDM doors from a wagon?
Yes.

[dodik]

I found out they are different when my old car was broken into. Shop tried 4 windows from a junk yard and eventually had to buy one from a dealer.

[Reason]

That would explain the poor window fitment then....

whoops. :oops:

Are the JDM doors from a wagon?
Yes.

Sorry I should have clarified that, sorry. But I would wait for Robin, I think between the two of you can get the rear glass and the doors swapped. Once both doors are on things will line up better.

[Yamazaki]

Rear window is on and it looks good! I love the tinted glass. However, getting the wiper module in place and assembled is proving to be a little tricky. If I didn't have the S401 here to check my work, I'd've really messed it up by now.

[Reason]

You are the man! Wheres mine??? Lol pics of your work bud

[Yamazaki]

Um, I tried to change out the bumper, but the bolts at each side just keep spinning but don't actually come out. How do I get them out?

[04Legacy]

Um, I tried to change out the bumper, but the bolts at each side just keep spinning but don't actually come out. How do I get them out?

Dremel or hacksaw. The bolts are in a black plastic trapezoid. If the trapezoid is cracked at all or broken the bolt will spin inside of it.

[Yamazaki]

Crap, I'm about a week from changing the suspension on the Outback when I come across this (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?p=295000#p295000). How bad will it be if I only change out the struts/springs? What all do I need to change the Outback to a Legacy? I thought I had everything.

After going through the parts I do have, I realized that I still don't have the correct backing plate for the rear 2pots......crap.

[dodik]

nothing dude, i;ve run legacy struts w/ outback springs for a couple years with no issues. Now for about a year i've been using Ohlins PCV coilovers designed for legacy only thing that needed work were bump stops had to cut them in half.

[Yamazaki]

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. That puts my mind more at ease.

But what are they talking about in that thread then? :smt017

[MRLancaster]

Ive had zero issues as well, no need to change all that.

[Yamazaki]

Excellent, then I won't worry about it and sometime next week I'll stop calling it an Outback. It won't be a Blitzen yet though... it'll most closely resemble an RS30.

[MRLancaster]

I cant wait to find some Legacy doors so I can get the side trim off of them, and swap it to the Outback and seal the holes. I hate the door flares so much!

[Yamazaki]

I cant wait to find some Legacy doors so I can get the side trim off of them, and swap it to the Outback and seal the holes. I hate the door flares so much!
I'm with you on that 100%!

[dodik]

haters :bootyshake:

[MRLancaster]

:smt019

[rougeben83]

The "proper" way to lower is to remove the front and rear subframe spacers that give the outback another 1"+ of ground clearance via a body lift. Technically, removing them allows better angles in the driveline but there's enough slack in the drivetrain that in real-world driving I don't think many people will be too concerned with.

[MRLancaster]

So would removing the spacers lower it one more 1"? I just don't feel like having to swap out the steering rack and everything else. If you could JUST remove the subframe spacers then I would do it, but I don't think you can do JUST those.

[dodik]

once you remove spacers most likely you wont be able to fit stock size tire, like Ben said for real world driving dont bother.

[cpundyk]

Looking good

[Yamazaki]

Rear bumper on and looking good.... kinda. The exhaust NEEDS to be changed now. Pictures to come within a couple days.

Work to be done tomorrow:

1) Front end (headlights, fenders, hood, grille, bumper)
2) Brakes (front 4 pots/ brake lines. I don't have everything needed for rear 2 pots yet)
3) Suspension (control arms, underbody brace, struts/springs, and other stuff from a D model)
4) Doors (to include glass in rear doors)
5) Side skirt fitment test
6) Properly fit/mount rear wiper module
7) Wheels/tires
8) Finally get around to dealing with the rear seat


So... not too busy. :roll:

[Legacy89]

What excactly is needed to do a 4/2pot conversion?
Calipers, pads, rotors and some sort of brackets?

[Reason]

I feel left out :-(

[STIdarkside]

Looking forward to seeing the progress you make this weekend.

What's your plan for the stock headlights?They in good condition? I may be interested in them.

Thanks

[Legacy89]

I feel left out :-(
You should move over here and see how i feel.
Not even a Preza tuner in this town, i'm a lone subie enthusiast.

[Yamazaki]

Well, as some of you know by now, the doors are a no-go. The US models are just too thick and the thinner Japanese doors don't fit. The body shapes are just way too different. I will have to get regular US Legacy doors. The fenders can fit if the center area is rolled just slightly.

Pictures to come soon. I just have to get them on the computer.


What's your plan for the stock headlights?They in good condition? I may be interested in them.
I know what your standards are for parts and even after buffing the headlights, these don't meet your standards. They have some small marks in the plastic. I'll probably hold onto them so I can restore everything if I ever sell the car.

[98legwag]

Can't wait to see what you guys get accomplished today. It looked great on Thursday.

[STIdarkside]

No worries. Looking forward to seeing some pics of your progress...

[Yamazaki]

As promised, her are some pictures (click on thumbs for full-size):

This is the difference between the US rear bumper and the Japanese one:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9945_zpsxzahetgb.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9945_zpsxzahetgb.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9950_zps5nhaq0ik.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9950_zps5nhaq0ik.jpg.html)

The car lost about 9 inches in length between the front and rear bumper exchanges. Here's why:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9947_zpsprssumwe.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9947_zpsprssumwe.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9948_zpskglhkho8.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9948_zpskglhkho8.jpg.html)

That thing won't fit under the Japanese bumper.

Then we did suspension/wheels/tires. Here's a before picture (both cars are flat on the ground. There are no jacks or stands being used):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9954_zpsbzfovth5.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9954_zpsbzfovth5.jpg.html)

That was ridiculous. Here's partly why:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9958_zpsyminybke.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9958_zpsyminybke.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9967_zpsddoscook.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9967_zpsddoscook.jpg.html)

These are the spacers people keep mentioning when lowering Outbacks:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9961_zpseb97vyuu.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9961_zpseb97vyuu.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9962_zpsdls6smlw.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9962_zpsdls6smlw.jpg.html)

We left the spacers in. Then we put on the wheels after the suspension was in place. Here's the final look (for that day):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9970_zpsdvhxebza.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9970_zpsdvhxebza.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_IMG_9976_zpsmjcyg2ah.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/IMG_9976_zpsmjcyg2ah.jpg.html)

It's actually LOWER than the S401! I think the smaller wheels/tires on the Legacy (I'm no longer calling it an Outback) have something to do with it, but it's an inch and a half lower in the front and 3/4 an inch in the rear. Crazy.

I've already changed the front end as well. I still have to take pictures of that. I'll post them after I do.

[greenspeed]

1) Love the wheels in the H6! What are they?
2) the bumper difference is crazy, the JDM one is a lot cleaner and you lose that obese american ass with it
3) Will the JDM tail lights work using the USDM trunk?

[amgarrety]

Looking much better on lower suspension.

[Yamazaki]

1) Love the wheels in the H6! What are they?
2) the bumper difference is crazy, the JDM one is a lot cleaner and you lose that obese american ass with it
3) Will the JDM tail lights work using the USDM trunk?
Both questions are answered earlier in the thread.

[Dead91silvia]

I wish I would have got some pics with the new front end, brakes, and the sway bar installed. I still cant get over how much better the car drives with the new parts!

Maybe the next time I come, we can get even more done! :smt023

[amgarrety]

I wish I would have got some pics with the new front end, brakes, and the sway bar installed. I still cant get over how much better the car drives with the new parts!

Maybe the next time I come, we can get even more done! :smt023


Next time? That either means this project is going to take more than a year or you are coming back to the east coast soon.

Which one is it? Haha

[Dead91silvia]

Is a car ever "really" finished? lol

[nikolaus.conrad]

the JDM one is a lot cleaner and you lose that obese american ass with it
Agreed, it had a ba-donk-a-donk! :smt005

[dodik]

that thing looks great but am i the only one who thinks tires are a bit too small

[Dead91silvia]

No, Yamazaki and I both think they are a little on the small looking side...

[98legwag]

I think the wheels just need to be padded out a bit.

[greenspeed]

1) Love the wheels in the H6! What are they?
2) the bumper difference is crazy, the JDM one is a lot cleaner and you lose that obese american ass with it
3) Will the JDM tail lights work using the USDM trunk?
Both questions are answered earlier in the thread.


There's 10 pages to this thread, means I have to read :smt018

[98legwag]

Or just go to the 1st page :smt023

[Reason]

I know right, who wants to read on a forum pssh..

[greenspeed]

I know right, who wants to read on a forum pssh..


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<this guy. I have the attention span of a 3 year old

[Yamazaki]

I know right, who wants to read on a forum pssh..


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<this guy. I have the attention span of a 3 year old
:lol: :lol:

Okay, that was funny enough that I'll just tell you.
The wheels are Blitzen MY '00-'03. The "05 model had horrific wheels and the '06 Blitzen has the best looking, but next to impossible to find.

I used a Japanese trunk, but since I swapped in the US wiring harness I figure that the Japanese taillights work with the US trunk as well. That, and the fact a LOT of people have done the change with no reported problems.

[greenspeed]

I know right, who wants to read on a forum pssh..


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<this guy. I have the attention span of a 3 year old
:lol: :lol:

Okay, that was funny enough that I'll just tell you.
The wheels are Blitzen MY '00-'03. The "05 model had horrific wheels and the '06 Blitzen has the best looking, but next to impossible to find.

I used a Japanese trunk, but since I swapped in the US wiring harness I figure that the Japanese taillights work with the US trunk as well. That, and the fact a LOT of people have done the change with no reported problems.

Thanks for catering to the special needs individuals on sl-i :smt016

I figured with the rest of the blitzen swag you had they were as well, but never saw the color before and wanted to make sure.

So :smt006 thanks :smt028

[Dead91silvia]

Hey Yamazaki hows that rear sway bar feel?!

[Yamazaki]

Hey Yamazaki hows that rear sway bar feel?!
I only drove it once so far, but I didn't really notice so much of a difference. But I wasn't exactly hammering the corners either...

[STIdarkside]

Any pics of the front end yet?

[Yamazaki]

Any pics of the front end yet?
Nope. The front bumper I have on is temporary. I didn't want to put on the Blitzen bumper on until it's ready for painting. I think it would look stupid with all different color parts.
It won't go in for paint until mid~late October.



On another note, does anybody know where I can buy automotive electrical parts? I'm looking for stuff like this:
http://www.amon.co.jp/products2/detail. ... _code=1122 (http://www.amon.co.jp/products2/detail.php?product_code=1122)
http://www.amon.co.jp/products2/list.php?category_id=91
http://www.amon.co.jp/products2/detail. ... _code=1140 (http://www.amon.co.jp/products2/detail.php?product_code=1140)

I went to Advance Auto Parts and Radio Shack with no success. Man, I miss Super Autobacs.

[amgarrety]

What are you planning to use those for? Can you hardwire any of it? You can get relays from RadioShack, but their quick connectors are pretty low grade. If you really need something specific, I think the place I work at has an account at an industrial electrical supplier that could get you certain connectors. I can't guarantee anything though because I've never looked through the catalogue.

You could also get connectors shipped from Japan?

[Yamazaki]

Well, to start with, I want to wire up the headlights all factory-like. But what I'm really going to need is the materials to do up the illuminated gauge cluster w/digital speedo.

[amgarrety]

See if you can find what you need at Grainger or something. I didn't look through everything they had but simply typing in "wire connectors" brought up over 1,200 results.

[Dead91silvia]

You could try these guys. this is where I got for most of my wiring stuff. I remember seeing one some what local to you when we were driving around some where... I just dont remember where... And good call Mike! :smt023
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/st ... 05035818:s (http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml?gclid=CJec_6vMz7ECFcYBRQodw0EA9Q&cm_mmc=PPC:%20Google%20Main%201-_-Brand%3EBrand-_-Grainger%3EMisspelling%3EExact-_-Granger&ef_id=n15QC7w2kVUAAF-T:20120805035818:s)

You also might want to talk to Cameroncamera. He's been doing some nice work with these connectors making them look OEM and all. He might have a good source.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24288 (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24288)

[Yamazaki]

Found the battery charger for the camera! I'll be a lot better about taking pictures now.

Also, I've been driving it for the past couple days and I'm not sure I like the ride too much. I know the car is way too lowered when I can take street imperfections at higher speeds in the Impreza STi and the S401 than I can in this Legacy. It may have something to do with taking struts/springs out of a BH5 and putting them into a BEE, but I don't know enough to be able to determine that. At any rate, it's fine for the track now, but it sucks on the street.

[Yamazaki]

Picture time!

I'll start with the easiest mod I've done to the car- engine cover:
US one on the right; Japanese one on the left
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3171_zpsjkmi6a78.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3171_zpsjkmi6a78.jpg.html)

Here are the 4pot brakes in the front (note raised lettering, unlike the US 4pots which are painted or stickered):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3166_zpsgisiqtmg.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3166_zpsgisiqtmg.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3169_zpshbv2ot20.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3169_zpshbv2ot20.jpg.html)

Here's what the front end looked like this morning (no gaps!):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3170_zpsupz8zh8p.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3170_zpsupz8zh8p.jpg.html)

I thought the horns were way too visible so I krylon painted them. Here's what it looks like now:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3178_zpszovfldya.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3178_zpszovfldya.jpg.html)

The bumper isn't fastened on by very much because it's temporary, so it isn't very snug to the rest of the body.

Finally, to make the headlights plug-and-play, I fabricated a wiring harness to connect the headlight housing to the car's connector:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3172_zps8yjx496c.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3172_zps8yjx496c.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3173_zpsfd6wj0cq.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3173_zpsfd6wj0cq.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3175_zpsbg5jemdv.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3175_zpsbg5jemdv.jpg.html)

Unfortunately, I had to tape the ends connecting into the car's end because I never could find a place that sold connectors. Oh well, it works so who cares.

[98legwag]

Looking great. Can't wait to see what is next.

[Dead91silvia]

Man, it feels like I just left your place yesterday. I forgot how cool the front brakes looked and the horns look a million times better!

[amgarrety]

I was just about to say how I liked the engine cover on the left better despite it being USDM, then I realized I read your caption wrong, and it was actually the JDM cover.

I guess that goes to show that I legitimately like the Japanese parts better, and not just because it's a "you always want what you can't have" kind of deal.

[Yamazaki]

Updated first post to reflect current configuration.

It looks like just a few things left. Big things remaining:
1) rear brakes
2) rear wiper (mounted and wired)
3) paint (then I can put on all the badges, stickers, rain/wind guards)
4) instrument cluster (I have something special planned for this)

[rougeben83]

liking the progress you've made so far! Can't wait to see how it will look with the legacy doors and painted all together.

I'm no stance-advocate but the oem wheels look really sunken in under the wider outback fenders...

[MRLancaster]

Looking amazing!

[Rubie_25GT]

Excellent work man, its looking good so far! Still love those wheels on a 3rd gen even though I'm a 2nd gen type of guy :smt023

[elislider]

my thoughts after scanning this thread.
- awesome work and ambition so far!. nice hookup on parts/imports. id love to hear the story on the S401 sometime...
- that is fucking weird about the chassis differences, width of doors and glass and seats etc. i never would have anticipated that (well maybe the glass shape for the rear doors but not everything else). i can say that i wasnt surprised to see the outback doors sticking out further, but thats just because they have the lower plastic paneling on the outside. i bet the usdm GT has the same shape doors as the JDM
- seems the only benefit of this H6 over an 03-04 GT is the auto climate and the H6... thats why i got the GT wagon, it has all the niceties and i'll just do a turbo swap eventually. and its a 5spd. (no VDC, but that was auto anyways. i might do a 6spd in mine, so DCCD > VDC).
- if you want the suspension to have accurate geometry, you really gotta pull the spacers out. your control arms are different (well the rear mounts), the front and rear crossmembers, the driveline support, and the transmission mount. maybe more, if im forgetting anything.
- just got in my HIDs and dark gauge cluster today, for my 03 GT wagon. If you find a good harness pigtail, please let me know. i dont want to have to try and source one from japan/europe just to make a nice patch harness (keeping the stock connectors on the car and the HIDs)
- let me know what you end up doing about the cluster, i havent had any luck searching the net for wiring help.

[Dead91silvia]

my thoughts after scanning this thread.
- awesome work and ambition so far!. nice hookup on parts/imports. id love to hear the story on the S401 sometime...
- that is fucking weird about the chassis differences, width of doors and glass and seats etc. i never would have anticipated that (well maybe the glass shape for the rear doors but not everything else). i can say that i wasnt surprised to see the outback doors sticking out further, but thats just because they have the lower plastic paneling on the outside. i bet the usdm GT has the same shape doors as the JDM
- seems the only benefit of this H6 over an 03-04 GT is the auto climate and the H6... thats why i got the GT wagon, it has all the niceties and i'll just do a turbo swap eventually. and its a 5spd. (no VDC, but that was auto anyways. i might do a 6spd in mine, so DCCD > VDC).
- if you want the suspension to have accurate geometry, you really gotta pull the spacers out. your control arms are different (well the rear mounts), the front and rear crossmembers, the driveline support, and the transmission mount. maybe more, if im forgetting anything.
- just got in my HIDs and dark gauge cluster today, for my 03 GT wagon. If you find a good harness pigtail, please let me know. i dont want to have to try and source one from japan/europe just to make a nice patch harness (keeping the stock connectors on the car and the HIDs)
- let me know what you end up doing about the cluster, i havent had any luck searching the net for wiring help.

You must have missed a few things...
-Doors WILL NOT work from ANY USDM car. We looked at a GT and L and they are competently different "B" pillars. So, you could change out the "B" pillar but then you would also need to do the same to the "A" pillar and fix the QT. Will not work. This I know fist hand. Has nothing to do with OB of none OB doors.
-The H6 and VDC is pretty cool! I had a GT BH 5 speed and this car was way faster! I did like my 5 speed, but I think the power of the H6 would have made up for it.
-We looked into the spacer thing and talked to a guy at the meet in RI that took them out and he said there are a lot more problems when you do that. The only problem right now is camber. If the spacers are pulled there are more. Yamazaki would remember better then I on that one.

I have no idea how hes doing his cluster... haha...

I really like the setup he has on this car! It's fun, but traffic friendly. It's comfy, but sporty. It's auto, but has balls. This car would kick the crap out of my BH GT and even with my 5 speed! I'm still thinking of maybe doing a H6 in my BD some day.

[elislider]

i'm confused what you mean about the doors. he has a USDM car... did you mean JDM? or do you mean USDM doors on a JDM car? i guess im lost

i've driven an H6, had an SVX with a 5-speed swap, and yeah it IS fast, i loved it. turbo is better IMO, at least there are more options, for cheaper. doing a built H6 is expensive. also the early 2000's H6 (EZ20R?) is kinda crappy because of the single port exhaust. less power than the EG33 isnt it? at least later (tribeca etc) the H6 went back to separated exhaust ports (3.6 liter right?) and has considerably more power. plus the asymmetrical rods. definitely more technology and interesting-ness in the more recent H6.

i dont see how removing all the spacers could make things worse. if you do it right, you've converted the chassis to the L/GT.... however i will concede there are a LOT of things to do if you choose to convert the outback to L/GT height. i think you even have to change out the rear crossmember? so yeah if you didnt do it right, then that would really fuck things up.

i dont see how

[Dead91silvia]

JDM doors (that he has) will NOT work on a USDM car, or the other way around. The door jams are completely different. I could stick my finger all the way through the door jam with the door closed. Outback, GT, L has no bearing on it, it's the fact that the cars are built in different country's. We looked at a JDM car (the S401) and multiple USDM cars to confirm.

As for the H6... You do know the car is his wife's right? And he has 2 other turbo cars so having this one as the commuter for his wife is perfect as it does have some power, but also does not need super and is an auto. Ether way, I understand it perfectly with what his goals are.

To do it right, it would take a ton of parts and time. It's not really needed any way. The car is low enough and all the geometry problems can be fixed with an alignment. As for wheel spacing, I think its just the fact that the body is physically wider. But yeah, there is no real need to take out the spacers. It's just really low and has a bit of camber, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.

Ether way, I think it's a fun car for what it is. It's definitely not the S401, but it's still a kick in the paints with the wheels, tires, and suspension! :grin:

I'm sure Yamazaki can correct what ever I missed and then some... HAHA

[elislider]

Now that i re-read my post 2 posts ago, i have no idea why i said "usdm gt doors are probably the same as jdm" because i already knew from reading the thread they wouldnt be. so i understand what you said in reply, sorry. just threw me off

Also I skimmed over (over conveniently ignored) the part where he said it was for his wife. so, that makes sense :)

[Yamazaki]

Space reserved for explanation on the Japanese combination meters and the door/body comparison pics (although I think amgarrety has some side-by-side comparison pics...).

[amgarrety]

although I think amgarrety has some side-by-side comparison pics...

Let me check when I get home. I never uploaded a picture but it might be on my camera at home.

[jverendia]

So the best/cheapest way to mimic the jdm door look on the usdm legacy would be to remove the moldings and have a body shop weld/fill in the gap to make the side flush? Might be a waste of money but at least it would look clean

[Yamazaki]

So the best/cheapest way to mimic the jdm door look on the usdm legacy would be to remove the moldings and have a body shop weld/fill in the gap to make the side flush? Might be a waste of money but at least it would look clean
No, the doors are completely different shapes. The US doors are thicker and more curved. The Japanese doors are thinner and more flat. So when we put the Japanese doors on, they stuck out at the top and bottom, but were flush in the middle.

The closest way to mimic them (without major bodywork) is just go get regular Legacy doors. Or, if you already have regular Legacy doors, to keep them the way they are.

[Yamazaki]

minor update: The wife reports that she gets much better gas milage now. She asked "Did you do something to the car? It doesn't use as much gas these days".

Lower weight and lower wind resistance will do that. Still, I'm glad to find out that it's a very noticeable difference.

[Dead91silvia]

Ummm... you forgot... the tires are smaller also... So it's a little deceiving... Tires are turning more then before, so it's reading that it's going farther then you really are... Just dont tell her that! :wink:

However, I but it is getting better MPG anyway. :smt023

[Yamazaki]

Ummm... you forgot... the tires are smaller also... So it's a little deceiving... Tires are turning more then before, so it's reading that it's going farther then you really are... Just dont tell her that! :wink:

However, I but it is getting better MPG anyway. :smt023
She wasn't looking at the milage (I don't think she ever looks at the odometer). She does the same trip every day (seriously, no deviation at all) and is using less gas. Noticeably less.

[Dead91silvia]

In that case... Thats super cool! :smt023

[Yamazaki]

I dismantled a spare Black Face Meter gauge cluster down to it's individual component pieces to discover whether or not I could do what I had planned to do regarding the speedo.

The bad news, There are too many connections and resistors in the way for me to cut out the factory speedo and insert an aftermarket digital speedo. So I am going to have a column mounted external speedo, where some cars have boost gauges.

The good news: I've fully mapped out all the wiring for the H6 BFM gauges and am ready to build a harness to connect it to the car. I also have a better understanding how all the lighting works. Fun fact: Did you know that in the 'PRND321' tree, only the 'P' and 'D' bulbs can be replaced? The rest are fixed in place.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/08/DSCF3220_zpsj6yn7gnh-1.jpg

[Dead91silvia]

Nice work! Bummer it wont be able to go in the cluster, but I'm still impressed with this who thing!

Still watching to see more magic! :smt023

[Yamazaki]

Still watching to see more magic! :smt023
I've completed the wiring for the headlight leveler. It was really easy too (Seriously. It was like 3~4 wires for the whole thing). I'm just waiting for this weekend when my wife doesn't have the car so I can install it.

[Yamazaki]

I just found out that the green wiring harness housings in my spare combination meter (for a 2.0L turbo sportshift) don't match the connecters for the Japanese H6 plugs (which is why I tell people to make sure the combo meter they get is the correct one). I was hoping to make something so I don't have to do any cutting of wires in the US car.... Looks like I have to go to the junkyard to look for a match.... I really don't want to do some monkey looking job like I did with the headlights (and I'll be re-doing those while I'm at it).

[elislider]

if you get any more info on the wiring for our 5mt black clusters, let me know :) i'm in no rush to do the project, but someday

[Dead91silvia]

I just found out that the green wiring harness housings in my spare combination meter (for a 2.0L turbo sportshift) don't match the connecters for the Japanese H6 plugs (which is why I tell people to make sure the combo meter they get is the correct one). I was hoping to make something so I don't have to do any cutting of wires in the US car.... Looks like I have to go to the junkyard to look for a match.... I really don't want to do some monkey looking job like I did with the headlights (and I'll be re-doing those while I'm at it).

Hey, get some pics and I'll see what I can find out. I might be heading to the yard again this next week. Even at that, are you sure you cant just re-pin them?




Still watching to see more magic! :smt023
I've completed the wiring for the headlight leveler. It was really easy too (Seriously. It was like 3~4 wires for the whole thing). I'm just waiting for this weekend when my wife doesn't have the car so I can install it.

And this is cool! I still have yet to wire my projector fogs... haha

[hansvonaxion]

You need a Tommy Kaira digital speedo, seems to fit in there nicely.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/hansvonaxion/Parts/0000809.jpg

[Yamazaki]

You need a Tommy Kaira digital speedo, seems to fit in there nicely.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/
I don't like how they look though.

[hansvonaxion]

Really? Aren't you thinking of the big aluminium faced one (http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4245/painel1p.jpg), this is just the digital speedo in a regular BFM, looks just like a regular cluster but has a digital speedo.

[Yamazaki]

Well, I don't know what you posted here (it just says "sorry, this person moved or deleted the photo"), but the aluminum one is the only one I know of. Tommy Kaira tends to do outrageous looking stuff, so I'd be surprised to see something from Tommy Kaira that looks normal. I'd assume that somebody put an overlay on the Tommy Kaira cluster (which isn't a bad idea), or modified a regular cluster to fit the Tommy Kaira one, although I don't know how they could do that. I suspect it's my first guess.

[EDIT: I just saw what you posted in the other thread. I was curious and compared it to the Tommy Kaira aluminum cluster. It appears that the aluminum is just an overlay and can be removed and should look like the one you posted. That wouldn't be a bad alternative. My problem comes when I want Mph. The speedo I'm getting can do both Kph or Mph. And it's able to be calibrated so it doesn't matter what size tire I put on. In the end, that's what I want. So I'll stick to the digital speedo on the column for now. That is, unless I find out the Tommy Kaira can also be calibrated and will do Mph.]

[chuckthefuk]

STi?

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f40/wrxstigc8/IMG_0845.jpg

[Yamazaki]

STi?
I don't really understand the question, but that gauge is the A~C type combo meter. I want the D type electroluminescent combo meter. I'm just going to put in the D type BFM one that I have and mount an AutoMeter Sport Comp Digital (6388) speedo on the column.

[hansvonaxion]

It appears that the aluminum is just an overlay and can be removed and should look like the one you posted. That wouldn't be a bad alternative. My problem comes when I want Mph. The speedo I'm getting can do both Kph or Mph. And it's able to be calibrated so it doesn't matter what size tire I put on. In the end, that's what I want. So I'll stick to the digital speedo on the column for now. That is, unless I find out the Tommy Kaira can also be calibrated and will do Mph.]

It looks like that, but I went back and had a look and the one with the aluminiun face is not a BFM, looks like A-C, it has a peak torque and shift light and I've even seen 2 different types. Will have to do some more looking.

I'm sure it can be calibrated, it's just a case of how easily, possibly not very.

Just wondering if the digital speedo couldn't sit in front of the gauge, between it and the plastic?

[Yamazaki]

Just wondering if the digital speedo couldn't sit in front of the gauge, between it and the plastic?
Hmm... now that's a possibility I hadn't considered. I like it. I will definitely have to see the gauge and how it fits when it comes in. Unfortunately, I have to wait a week or so before I can even order it due to, *ahem* monetary considerations...

[hansvonaxion]

Being a BFM you won't really see it in there so it could look pretty stock, just make sure it doesn't block anything from your seating position when mounted.

[rkrenicki]

Yamazaki: You said that you have fully mapped out the wiring for the H6 and the BFM, does this mean that the H6 needs different wiring in and of itself?

I am looking to put a BFM into my 2004 Outback H6 here once it shows up from the UK.. I do not have the part number yet, but it came from a 2000 BH5 GT-B.

[Yamazaki]

Yamazaki: You said that you have fully mapped out the wiring for the H6 and the BFM, does this mean that the H6 needs different wiring in and of itself?

I am looking to put a BFM into my 2004 Outback H6 here once it shows up from the UK.. I do not have the part number yet, but it came from a 2000 BH5 GT-B.
It's probably not going to match very well then. If you are putting it into an H6, then you should've got a BFM from an H6 (like a GT30 or RS30) and not a GT-B. Not just the wiring is different, the number of connectors will be different, the circuitry on the cluster is different.... etc. I'll take a picture of an example of what I mean and post it later.

I said that I mapped out the wiring for the H6 BFM (w/VDC). There are different BFM combo meters depending on the vehicle. It's less of a headache if you get the one that most closely resembles the car you are putting it in. It doesn't mean you can't do it otherwise (obviously, other people have), but that's the hard way and I suspect some functions may not work properly.

[Yamazaki]

As promised, here are pictures of an H6 BFM and a turbo sportshift BFM (ignore that I took all the bulbs out of the one):

H6:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3230_zpstyogpcmb.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3230_zpstyogpcmb.jpg.html)http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3232_zpsvvvaayrg.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3232_zpsvvvaayrg.jpg.html)

turbo sportshift:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3231_zps0wnxpadg.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3231_zps0wnxpadg.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3233_zpsqbyu0lza.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3233_zpsqbyu0lza.jpg.html)

[rkrenicki]

Hmm.. I guess I am just going to have to tear down the new cluster and another USDM one and compare them. I was hoping to find an end-all "here is how you do it", but I guess that is just too much wishful thinking.

I suppose I could always build my own cluster from parts of the two and design a brand new pcb... but that is getting into a much larger project than I originally intended..

[rkrenicki]

Oh, and I had another question. Where did you find that JDM BH5 donor car on the first page? Did you have it imported? I have been thinking about trying to import a B4 to use as a donor car for a RHD conversion, but I seem to be finding alot of red tape to that.

[Dead91silvia]

Oh, and I had another question. Where did you find that JDM BH5 donor car on the first page? Did you have it imported? I have been thinking about trying to import a B4 to use as a donor car for a RHD conversion, but I seem to be finding alot of red tape to that.

He lived in Japan for a time and brought the parts here...


As promised, here are pictures of an H6 BFM and a turbo sportshift BFM (ignore that I took all the bulbs out of the one):


So it look like the only real different with the plugs is there is 5/4 on the USDM and 4/3 on the JDM one... I'm betting you could re-pine that one plug, depending on what the missing pines are for...

[elislider]

similar differences with the JDM vs USDM Impreza STi clusters. one has more pins than the other, and its an easy workaround. however, not sure if the same can be said for the BE/BH clusters

[Yamazaki]

No no guys.... those are BOTH Japanese clusters (I thought that was clear when I said they were both BFM (Black Faced Meters)). One is from a GT30 (H6) and one is from a GT-B (turbo sportshift). That's the point I was trying to make: There are different Japanese clusters (more than just the pinouts. Look more carefully at the back of the cluster) so you have to be careful which one you get, so get the one that most closely resembles the car you are installing into. The US cluster looks even more different from those two, but it resembles the GT30 cluster the most so the GT30 one is what I got for my project.

[elislider]

i got that, i was just making an observation that there are similar differences between JDM and USDM Impreza STi gauges, and people were able to make them work easily. not sure if that has any relevance whatsoever to these BE/BH clusters, but simply an observation

[Yamazaki]

I installed the aluminum control arms. It was a pain. I've never had to drill out a sheared off bolt before.

Anyway, I weighed the steel and the aluminum control arms and there isn't any weight savings that a family-size bag of chips wouldn't undo. The aluminum control arms are a lighter material, but solid. The steel control arms are of a heavier material, but hollow. They ended up being nearly the same weight.

I have pictures of the doors/fenders from the GT on, but not uploaded onto my computer yet... I'll post those up soon.

I also got the digital speedo. It won't fit behind the outer cover in front of the gauges. Oh well. It'll be a column mounted speedo. I'm very confused by the installation instructions for it, so it'll be awhile before it gets put on.

[Dead91silvia]

I installed the aluminum control arms. It was a pain. I've never had to drill out a sheared off bolt before.

Anyway, I weighed the steel and the aluminum control arms and there isn't any weight savings that a family-size bag of chips wouldn't undo. The aluminum control arms are a lighter material, but solid. The steel control arms are of a heavier material, but hollow. They ended up being nearly the same weight.

I have pictures of the doors/fenders from the GT on, but not uploaded onto my computer yet... I'll post those up soon.

I also got the digital speedo. It won't fit behind the outer cover in front of the gauges. Oh well. It'll be a column mounted speedo. I'm very confused by the installation instructions for it, so it'll be awhile before it gets put on.

Thats good to know about the wight.... What bolt broke though?!

I want to see the doors! :smt026

[hansvonaxion]

I've read about the weight on an Australian forum, seems the difference may be strength and geometry.

[rougeben83]

I installed the aluminum control arms. It was a pain. I've never had to drill out a sheared off bolt before.

Anyway, I weighed the steel and the aluminum control arms and there isn't any weight savings that a family-size bag of chips wouldn't undo. The aluminum control arms are a lighter material, but solid. The steel control arms are of a heavier material, but hollow. They ended up being nearly the same weight.


Yeah, the weight diff between the aluminum and steel control arms is about 1lb or so...The change isn't for weight savings like a lot of people think; its because aluminum is a "stiffer" material (not exactly the exact engineering term) vs. steel, so the steering is more responsive. Its like the difference between riding an aluminum frame bicycle vs. a steel one, if any of you guys are into bikes...

[BigWillieStyles]

Car looks terrific but what happened to all the other Blitzen stuff you had? BTW, do you happen to know if the BH Outback spotlights fit the Blitzen2 bumper?

[Yamazaki]

Car looks terrific but what happened to all the other Blitzen stuff you had? BTW, do you happen to know if the BH Outback spotlights fit the Blitzen2 bumper?
The car doesn't really look all that terrific right now. It's a jumble of parts. I know I keep saying that I'll do it, but I swear I'll upload pictures this weekend. I have everything that makes it a Blitzen on the outside. I just haven't put on the side skirts, front bumper, or fenders yet. They won't go on until just before it goes in for paint. I'm going to try to have the fenders "massaged" to fit the US doors.

The Blitzen bumper has the same lights as the RFRB bumper. They are not the same as the Outback lights. The Outback lights are about 2X larger. (I actually had to go downstairs to check that just now)

[BigWillieStyles]

This bumper ---> http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img367.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/9/7/4/shinsei_pt-img600x450-1348540323tptynf5334.jpg

Only that I would like the Blitzen bumper as well, but it seems that a number of sellers remove the lights prior to sale.

Is it possible to source Blitzen bumper parts straight from Subaru Japan or elsewhere? Or am I restricted to second hand shops?

[Yamazaki]

Only that I would like the Blitzen bumper as well, but it seems that a number of sellers remove the lights prior to sale.

Is it possible to source Blitzen bumper parts straight from Subaru Japan or elsewhere? Or am I restricted to second hand shops?
Yes, that's the RFRB bumper (but it only fits the A~C type Legacys). The lights didn't come with the bumper when I got it either. I had to get them separately. You can go through the dealer (in Japan), but they ask a ridiculous amount of money for them. You can order through CIBIE (that's the maker of the lights) or get them used.

[Yamazaki]

Bad news. The rear driver side tire blew out on the freeway. I put on the spare and got home to inspect the damage. Looking at the tire, I have no idea how it happened. It's shredded on the inner sidewall, but the outer sidewall and the tread are good. Anyway, it bent the Blitzen wheel. And because the car has FHI 4pot front brakes, the old Outback wheels don't fit anymore. The car is incapacitated until I can get the wheel repaired.

I considered putting the S401 up on jacks and putting those wheels on the H6, but I won't do that unless I can't find a repair place soon.

[amgarrety]

Pictures of the damage? Or any progress?

That's sad :( at last the rest of the car is ok and the rim is probably repairable.

[rougeben83]

That sucks; I use a place here in NYC that charges only $65 to repair a bend; they did an rpf1 and a bbs wheel for me and they balanced out great. I'm sure there's a lot of places in MD that can do the same...if not def, south NJ.

[Rubie_25GT]

AAh dude that stinks... How bad is it? Could have been a pothole...

[Dead91silvia]

WTF?! :smt017

That makes no sense, unless at some time it hit a big pot hole and separated the tires side wall, but even at that, the tire is only 3-4 months old! It still might be under warranty and the shop might know of a shop that can fix the wheel.

The place I got to fix a customers 17" BMW M5 wheel for me with a crack on the inside and a bent on the outside for just under $200. Like $179 or something like that.

If anyone says it cant be fixed, they dont know how to fix a wheels! I saw a pair of VOLK TE37 thats damn near have the lip ripped off getting fixed.

[98legwag]

That sucks. Hope it all works out for you.

[amgarrety]

WTF?! :smt017

That makes no sense, unless at some time it hit a big pot hole and separated the tires side wall, but even at that, the tire is only 3-4 months old!



He didn't have them balanced, right? They might have been just so terribly unbalanced that the tires couldn't take too much of it.

[Yamazaki]

They were balanced. Anyway, I had it repaired for $150. A little steep, but the repair was so good that when the tire shop put the tire on and went to balance it, it required no extra weights. The wheel repair guy said he could fix the curb rash on the one S401 wheel too. I will have to do that sometime.

Here are pics of the tire/wheel damage (notice little tread wear):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3386_zpswpbs1ubk.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3386_zpswpbs1ubk.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3385_zpstquxcour.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3385_zpstquxcour.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3382_zpssnt2jqq7.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3382_zpssnt2jqq7.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3383_zps8shutq2d.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3383_zps8shutq2d.jpg.html)

[Yamazaki]

Now that the little drama of my blown tire is over, I can bring up the issue of ride harshness. There is no way a Legacy with only Bilsteins and STi pink springs should be a MUCH harsher ride than my Impreza STi. I'm stumped over what could be causing it. Any thoughts?

Also, one of the front endlinks I had snapped and I'm currently going w/out front endlinks (basically, no front swaybar). Whiteline endlinks for the turbo Legacy are on order.

[Yamazaki]

When it rains, it pours....

Now I'm getting codes P0725 and P0741.

Even after I cleared the codes, the "AT temp" light stays on and so do the "VDC" and "ABS" lights (they came on when the tire blew out). I don't know how to turn any of it off (or fix the problems).

Grrr :smt011 this car is starting to irritate me.

[Dead91silvia]

They were balanced. Anyway, I had it repaired for $150. A little steep, but the repair was so good that when the tire shop put the tire on and went to balance it, it required no extra weights. The wheel repair guy said he could fix the curb rash on the one S401 wheel too. I will have to do that sometime.

Thats not a bad price at all! My cost is not then that over here...


Now that the little drama of my blown tire is over, I can bring up the issue of ride harshness. There is no way a Legacy with only Bilsteins and STi pink springs should be a MUCH harsher ride than my Impreza STi. I'm stumped over what could be causing it. Any thoughts?

Also, one of the front endlinks I had snapped and I'm currently going w/out front endlinks (basically, no front swaybar). Whiteline endlinks for the turbo Legacy are on order.

Have you talked to Ben at all? I'm not even sure on that one. It is low as hell in the front, maybe it's that the front springs need to be stronger springs because it's an H6? I dunno...



Now I'm getting codes P0725 and P0741.

Even after I cleared the codes, the "AT temp" light stays on and so do the "VDC" and "ABS" lights (they came on when the tire blew out). I don't know how to turn any of it off (or fix the problems).

Grrr :smt011 this car is starting to irritate me.

That might be because of a bad wheel bearing on that hub. Did you ever take it in for an alinement after we did everything? That could have been part of the problem on all sides.

If the hub is not in perfect alinement (I'm spelling that wrong arnt I? LOL) with the ABS sensor, it will turn those lights on. not so sure about the VDC light, but I'm sure it's tided in with the ABS. That or the sensor might have something stuck in it. They are not too much of a pain to pull out and check.

The AT Temp light is a new one on me. Have you made sure the level is still good and you guys dont have a cut line some how?

[elislider]

did you have something break on that wheel? is your ABS sensor still intact? or something else weird. maybe something broke off the car and sliced the tire. i'm just fishing here

[Dead91silvia]

did you have something break on that wheel? is your ABS sensor still intact? or something else weird. maybe something broke off the car and sliced the tire. i'm just fishing here

Thats a good point... The end link that broke wasnt close enough to hit the tire was it? :smt017 I dont think it is, but it might be...

[Yamazaki]

As promised, here's a picture of what it looks like now:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3387_zpsfyt5y7oz.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3387_zpsfyt5y7oz.jpg.html)

And here's how much thinner the Legacy is than the Outback (I still have the Outback trim on the quarter panel):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3388_zpsgvpz7jqa.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3388_zpsgvpz7jqa.jpg.html)

It may be going in for paint two weeks from now. This weekend I'll put on the Blitzen side skirts, next weekend the Blitzen front bumper.
I still haven't set up the rear wiper though. There's just a tacky strip of duct tape covering the hole in the back window....

[amgarrety]

Wow! Those doors look excellent! I'm really excited, just looking at that picture. I can't wait for paint.

[rougeben83]

it's the JDM bilsteins that are giving you a harsh ride. The compression setting on them is really high; good for relatively smooth japanese roads, sucks for any road that sees road salt.

[elislider]

you can get the GT/L piece in place of that one that is sticking out. at least, it appears that way. i know on the L/GT sedan there is just a plastic piece that clips in right there.
not that it matters since you said you're going to get the car painted, but you can even get it prepainted in the color you need. i think.

http://opposedforces.com/parts/legacy/u ... tration_1/ (http://opposedforces.com/parts/legacy/us_b12/type_5/body_equipment_exterior/protector/illustration_1/)
not sure what your color code is

[Yamazaki]

it's the JDM bilsteins that are giving you a harsh ride. The compression setting on them is really high; good for relatively smooth japanese roads, sucks for any road that sees road salt.My friend, you need to see the roads where I lived in Japan. They were hardly smooth. In fact, most of Northern Japan has some of the worst roads I've ever seen. Not counting the tollroads, of course.

And I've driven the RSK (BE with Bilsteins) before. It isn't that harsh. In fact, it's a bit like my Impreza. Not smooth, but it won't shatter your spine over bumps. The Outback/Legacy/Blitzen/whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-it is ridiculously harsh. I'm wondering what part the spacers play in all this.... that's the only difference I can think of.

you can get the GT/L piece in place of that one that is sticking out. at least, it appears that way. i know on the L/GT sedan there is just a plastic piece that clips in right there.
I already have it. But since the Outback piece goes all the way down and under the side skirt, I'm going to put it on when I take off the Outback side skirts and put on the Blitzen ones.

[98legwag]

Its looking good. Can't wait to see it when its painted.

[elislider]

it's the JDM bilsteins that are giving you a harsh ride. The compression setting on them is really high; good for relatively smooth japanese roads, sucks for any road that sees road salt.My friend, you need to see the roads where I lived in Japan. They were hardly smooth. In fact, most of Northern Japan has some of the worst roads I've ever seen. Not counting the tollroads, of course.

And I've driven the RSK (BE with Bilsteins) before. It isn't that harsh. In fact, it's a bit like my Impreza. Not smooth, but it won't shatter your spine over bumps. The Outback/Legacy/Blitzen/whatever-the-hell-you-want-to-call-it is ridiculously harsh. I'm wondering what part the spacers play in all this.... that's the only difference I can think of.

you can get the GT/L piece in place of that one that is sticking out. at least, it appears that way. i know on the L/GT sedan there is just a plastic piece that clips in right there.
I already have it. But since the Outback piece goes all the way down and under the side skirt, I'm going to put it on when I take off the Outback side skirts and put on the Blitzen ones.
ah, very good :)

[Dead91silvia]

Man... I wish we could have done this when I was there... :smt022 She's looking good though! I'm loving it!

How did the door swap go? Did you have any help with it?

As for the ride... Ben, it's crazy hard! I mean worse then my Silvia with Tokico Adjustable's set of hard with Tien springs! I dont get it, the rear felt ok (as much as I can remember) but the front was pretty damn hard.

You know... I'm wondering if the front is too low. As in, riding on the bumps stops... :smt017 Maybe a 1 inch spacer on the top would give it enough travel and not ride as had. Just an idea.

[Yamazaki]

How did the door swap go? Did you have any help with it?
Yeah, the guy I got the doors from (l0rd) helped me with it. We also swapped on the GT fenders so it didn't look stupid with Outback fenders and GT doors.


You know... I'm wondering if the front is too low. As in, riding on the bumps stops... :smt017 Maybe a 1 inch spacer on the top would give it enough travel and not ride as had. Just an idea.
Could it be the engine weight? I wouldn't think so with all the extra weight those twin turbos and associated parts add. And I've got an aluminum hood and lightened front end. Ultimately, it must be because it's so lowered (lower than the S401, remember?), because there isn't any other reason for it that I can think of. I never hear of regular Legacy guys having this problem, so I feel like it's got to be the spacers on the Outback.
I might try the front spacers thing, but first I'm going to go through the parts breakdown manuals and see what all the differences are. Although that may be difficult since I don't have one for the Outback...

[hansvonaxion]

Engine weight could be a factor. Sorry I haven't been following every detail but if the rear is sitting even slightly higher than it should then weight distribution will be out, with more weight on front again. Just a thought.

[Dead91silvia]

I can see if my guy at Subaru can get me some of the parts brake downs for me. At least for the suspension. It could be the fact that your car is an H6 and the springs/struts are for a 2.0TT. I wouldn't think it would be too big of a difference though. Even more so with the hood and the bumper setup now.

[Yamazaki]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think it's the spacers. Anyway...

I made the appointment for painting in two weeks. The guy said rolling the fenders a bit so the doors fit won't be a problem at all. I decided to keep the engine bay black and the rest of the car will be the same dark purple as the interior leather. The guy also said to not bother with putting the side skirts or bumper on since he has to just take them off again so I guess I won't be putting the Blitzen side skirts or front bumper on before paint. They're going to strip the car down to do it right. Also...

The "VDC" and"ABS" lights don't come on anymore. The wife said they didn't come on again after that first day. The "AT oil temp" light also doesn't come on anymore. So I think the tire blowing out freaked out a lot of the electronic sensors, because everything works (I tested the ABS to make sure). Lastly...

I installed the Whiteline front endlinks. Those bad boys won't snap, they're as thick as the ZeroFourR endlinks I have in the rear. I'm getting an alignment tomorrow.


This car is coming together nicely! (I still need to mount the rear wiper though).

[rkrenicki]

I am not sure what would have triggered the AT Temp lite to come on with all that, but ive seen the ABS freak out on me on my 96 before..

[Dead91silvia]

I would test fit the side skits and the end caps. Also, it should eliminate some work for them when it comes to taking it apart and putting it back together.

I cant wait to see this all painted up!

Good to hear about the CEL's too!

[ags18]

I made the appointment for painting in two weeks.

Jealous!! :-(

[dodik]

if you go spacers make sure they are hubcentric. running 20mm upfront now myself.

[Rubie_25GT]

Ah can't wait to see this thing when its done! I want to follow up with you on painting my car some day... need to get rid of the red/maroon flake so I don't cry when I see more scratches appear haha

[rkrenicki]

I am not sure if it has been already covered.. I did a quick scan of the thread and did not see the answer jump out at me.. But what color are you having the car painted?

[Yamazaki]

The same color as the seats. A dark purple. And actually, now the wife says she wouldn't mind if it was WRB like the other two. But I started to like her color better, so I'm a little torn. Dark purple is far more original. But having three WRB cars is kind of cool too.

What do you guys all think? And why?

7 days 'till painting starts!

[rkrenicki]

It would be cool to have the hattrick of blue soobies....

Blue was not an oem option for the Blitzen?

[98legwag]

I really like the WRB on the S401. But when I was over there and you showed me the purple I thought that would look great on the car. Would there be a cost difference in the paint colors? I say stick with the purple so it will match the seats.

[Yamazaki]

No cost difference. The guy actually said he can paint it whatever color I like. But unless somebody can introduce an idea for a color I hadn't thought of, I'm sticking with those two choices. And it all has to be monotone. No crazy multi-color paint designs. (I've had enough of multi-color anyway...)

[Dead91silvia]

The same color as the seats. A dark purple. And actually, now the wife says she wouldn't mind if it was WRB like the other two. But I started to like her color better, so I'm a little torn. Dark purple is far more original. But having three WRB cars is kind of cool too.

What do you guys all think? And why?

7 days 'till painting starts!

:smt017 I was not really into the purple think, but it grew on me when I was there... But the WRB would be cool also... :smt017

[amgarrety]

Well in the end, it is her car. I'd let her decide on what she likes best.

[elislider]

laguna seca M3 blue.

just kidding.

[Yamazaki]

Blue was not an oem option for the Blitzen?
Blitzen had three colors: Red, Black, and Silver. Not exactly a very imaginative selection. But I've seen a couple Blitzens painted after the fact.

[Thomistopheles]

My vote's for WRB.

[harrymaneuvers]

Carmel Bronze Pearl!!!!! Maybe slightly more orange/rust instead of bronze.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/outback13side45-1.jpg

[dodik]

i did these a while ago for my car but never got to actually repainting might give you an idea
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/12/Graybottombluetop-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/12/Graybottomgreentopcopy-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2008/12/Graybottomsunbursttop-1.jpg

[amgarrety]

Oh wow, orange would look amazing. I really like that.

[fwa2500]

on the topic of orange, volvo's saffron could be pretty sweet

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/2503202171_6f47e673da_z-1.jpg

[Dead91silvia]

I'm still sticking with the original color ideas...

[amgarrety]

on the topic of orange, volvo's saffron could be pretty sweet

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/2503202171_6f47e673da_z-1.jpg

Yeah, that's the exact color I'm thinking of.

[Yamazaki]

The orange and the green were voted down by the boss. She saw the colors for the Blitzen6 (the real one) and likes the 'Premium Red' and 'Nortic Blue Mica', but I'm not a fan of red cars. She said white would be okay too, but I think it shows dirt too easily, and black and silver is too common.

So now I'm split between WRB, NBM (Nortic Blue Mica), and the custom dark purple.

[Thomistopheles]

Got a photo of a NBM car for reference?

[Zangado1]

on the topic of orange, volvo's saffron could be pretty sweet

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/2503202171_6f47e673da_z-1.jpg
Sweet Volvo. Im a Volvo owner so i know how awesome these cars are,especially AWD like i have.

[Dead91silvia]

White does not show dirty much at all, but even more of an advantage in hiding imperfections over any other color. Such as dings and scratches...

But, I still like the originals best...

[amgarrety]

I think, if you're going to stick to the three choices there, I would probably have to side with custom purple.

[Yamazaki]

Huge thanks to amgarrety for the independent foglight mod and connecting my headlight leveler.
I had missed one wire for the leveler system - the one that powers the whole system!

As for the original colors, here (I don't have a picture of the Black Topaz Mica though):
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/4_02-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/2_02-1.jpg
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/5_02-1.jpg


White does not show dirty much at all, but even more of an advantage in hiding imperfections over any other color. Such as dings and scratches...

But, I still like the originals best...
The wife's GT-B limited in Japan was white.... and impossible to keep clean. That's what I base my conclusions on.

Lastly, the Blitzen side skirts mostly fit. It's the wide US quarterpanel that messes things up again. Looks like I'll have to get it moulded.

5 days 'till paint starts!

[rkrenicki]

I was hoping that he was going to post that mod.. lol

[Reason]

RED! I hate red cars, but in my eyes there should only be 3 red vehicles, Ferrari's, Blitzens and fire trucks...nothing else

[Dead91silvia]

RED! I hate red cars, but in my eyes there should only be 3 red vehicles, Ferrari's, Blitzens and fire trucks...nothing else

LOL :smt005

[Yamazaki]

Dropped the car off for paint! I decided on the dark purple to match the seats. I took some pics when I dropped it off with the correct bumper attached. It looks like a clown car:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3389_zpszmuzou5i.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3389_zpszmuzou5i.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3390_zpsymkdwsdk.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3390_zpsymkdwsdk.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3391_zpsivfcxe0x.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3391_zpsivfcxe0x.jpg.html)

The fenders and side skirts are in the car and will be installed by the shop.

[rkrenicki]

When do you get it back? I bet your wife will be happy to drive a single color car again, hah!

[elislider]

Dropped the car off for paint! I decided on the dark purple to match the seats. I took some pics when I dropped it off with the correct bumper attached. It looks like a clown car:
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3389_zpszmuzou5i.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3390_zpsymkdwsdk.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3391_zpsivfcxe0x.jpg.html)

The fenders and side skirts are in the car and will be installed by the shop.
that looks awesome! hah

can't wait to see it painted

[amgarrety]

I can't wait! How long until its done?

[Yamazaki]

The guy said 10 days. I'm going to estimate 12 days to account for some "hiccups" along the way.

[rkrenicki]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

[amgarrety]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

This.

[Reason]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

This.

That.

[elislider]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

This.

That.
what they said.

[Yamazaki]

:lol:

[Dead91silvia]

Are you having both sets of fenders painted?

[nikolaus.conrad]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

This.

That.
The other thing.

[Thomistopheles]

Longest... two... weeks... ever....

This.

That.
The other thing.
All of the above.


go go gadget quote pyramid!

[Yamazaki]

Are you having both sets of fenders painted?
No. The US Legacy fenders were just place holders. One is actually broken and doesn't have a fastening point for the bumper. They are getting tossed. I am only having the Japanese fenders painted and installed.

[Dead91silvia]

Are you having both sets of fenders painted?
No. The US Legacy fenders were just place holders. One is actually broken and doesn't have a fastening point for the bumper. They are getting tossed. I am only having the Japanese fenders painted and installed.

Did you test fit them to make sure the lines all match up and everything?

[amgarrety]

Are you having both sets of fenders painted?
No. The US Legacy fenders were just place holders. One is actually broken and doesn't have a fastening point for the bumper. They are getting tossed. I am only having the Japanese fenders painted and installed.

Did you test fit them to make sure the lines all match up and everything?

They definitely fit except along the door line, where they will be getting "massaged" to the correct contour.

[Yamazaki]

It'll be fine in the front. In fact, with the Blitzen side skirts that are going on, it'll look better with the Japanese fender.

[Dead91silvia]

It'll be fine in the front. In fact, with the Blitzen side skirts that are going on, it'll look better with the Japanese fender.

So the belt line with the side molding lines up good? :smt017 I didnt think it would, but if it does thats cool!

[98legwag]

Did you ever figure out if the spring rates up front were different for the H6 vs the 4 cyl?

[Reuben]

Oooooooooo exciting!!! Please please please go pop your head in every now and then and take pics of progress!!!

[Yamazaki]

It'll be fine in the front. In fact, with the Blitzen side skirts that are going on, it'll look better with the Japanese fender.So the belt line with the side molding lines up good? :smt017 I didnt think it would, but if it does thats cool!The Blitzen side skirt goes so high it covers up the line. So it just appears smooth across the fender.

Did you ever figure out if the spring rates up front were different for the H6 vs the 4 cyl?I have not even looked for it to be honest. But I should. It's just one more thing I've been putting off.

Oooooooooo exciting!!! Please please please go pop your head in every now and then and take pics of progress!!!I know, I know. That's the thing I'm the worst at. But the shop said they would call when they've mixed the paint and put a little bit on so I can go see and make sure it's what I want. I'll take pictures then.

[Dead91silvia]

You are gonna get some progress shots right?! You better! I'm sure they wont mind you coming to grab some shots of it all taken apart and getting prepped out.

[Reason]

I need more pics damn it! My brain likes visual stimulation, words bore me if there's no pics under them lol

[Dead91silvia]

I need more pics damn it! My brain likes visual stimulation, words bore me if there's no pics under them lol

true

[Yamazaki]

I went to the shop to check it out. The have a slight problem with the fender. I post pics for you:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-10-23_15-50-58_459_zpseb8ke33r.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-10-23_15-50-58_459_zpseb8ke33r.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-10-23_15-51-09_176_zpsbjwoq81v.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-10-23_15-51-09_176_zpsbjwoq81v.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-10-23_15-52-11_29_zpsgit9rkzc.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-10-23_15-52-11_29_zpsgit9rkzc.jpg.html)

Damn wide American cars....

He said he'll do his best, but it won't look perfect. The doors open/close with no problem now though. I also asked about thinner side moulding and he said it shouldn't be a problem. He'll go find some different ideas and get back to me. Here's what it looks like right now:
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-10-23_15-50-47_949_zpstovzbkj5.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-10-23_15-50-47_949_zpstovzbkj5.jpg.html)

And this is the color I chose (it's more blue than purple....):
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_2012-10-23_15-59-38_882_zpsy7uexs8c.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/2012-10-23_15-59-38_882_zpsy7uexs8c.jpg.html)

So you photoshop guys can go nuts with it and see what the car will look like.

[98legwag]

Its going to look so nice.

[Reason]

Its sheet metal why cant he make it look perfect??

[amgarrety]

Its sheet metal why cant he make it look perfect??

That's what I'm wondering.

[rkrenicki]

Is it just me, or does the hood gap look big too? I guess it could be the shot, but it looks to be like 5mm wide..

[Yamazaki]

Is it just me, or does the hood gap look big too? I guess it could be the shot, but it looks to be like 5mm wide..
That's because it isn't bolted down.


Its sheet metal why cant he make it look perfect??He just said that an average person won't notice after he's finished, but I might. We'll see when it's done. If I like it, I'll have him address a couple of other areas that bother me about the car's fitment. I'm especially curious to see what options I get for door mouldings.

[Yamazaki]

Oh and, side note, driving in Washington DC blows. Especially in a twitchy Impreza...
I can't wait to get the "Blitzen6" back.

[amgarrety]

Oh and, side note, driving in Washington DC blows. Especially in a twitchy Impreza...

Im cringing from the thought.

[Dead91silvia]

Its sheet metal why cant he make it look perfect??He just said that an average person won't notice after he's finished, but I might. We'll see when it's done. If I like it, I'll have him address a couple of other areas that bother me about the car's fitment. I'm especially curious to see what options I get for door mouldings.

This is where money comes in. It can cost a lot to get it done right and make it all line up and be good work to boot!I knew that was going to be a problem at the top part of the doors and the lower belt molding. Now whats gonna happen with the indents for the big USDM trim? He's not filling it with filler is he? I tell yeah what, 90% of all car guys will pick out a line that does not match up and it will bug the living hell out of you if you know it's there. I have one dent that I did crappy mud work to on my GMC and to this day it bugs the hell out of me, and thats just a work truck!

And I gotta say, it looks like a 5 year old masked up that car... LOL... :smt005

It is nice to see it on it's way to paint though! Looking forward to more pics! :smt023

[jverendia]

no turbo hood? still selling that other type d bumper/ headlight/ turbo hood? if you are let me know! congrats on the progress btw

[MRLancaster]

I know you already chose the colour, but as for the orange you guys were talking about, this was an OEM colour I believe

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2012/10/orange-1.jpg

[Yamazaki]

So they did a test mix and painted the bumper to see if I wanted to stick with my initial color choice. So this'll be the color of the whole car.

http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3398_zpstleujib8.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3398_zpstleujib8.jpg.html)

[amgarrety]

The Penn State in me loves that color.

[98legwag]

That looks really nice. I want to see it in person once its done.

[Dead91silvia]

I thought it would be more purple... :smt017 still nice though

[Reason]

Too many blue cars in that driveway... :-(

[ags18]

So they did a test mix and painted the bumper to see if I wanted to stick with my initial color choice. So this'll be the color of the whole car.

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3398_zpstleujib8.jpg.html)

Looks great! ANY color is better than the multi-color it was!! It must be a good feeling!? :) Congrats. I'm to the point with mine that at my weak moments I would take someone up on an offer to do it in Pink! :smt011

[Yamazaki]

Went by the shop today. They lost power for a few days so they're running behind schedule. I saw the car though. The smooth doors look good.
I'll pick up the car on Tuesday or Wednesday.

[amgarrety]

Damn I was hoping to see it tomorrow :/

[98legwag]

I may have to come out to one of the Columbia meets soon to see it.

[jverendia]

i demand an update ;)

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

i demand an update ;)

second!

[Yamazaki]

Okay, so I don't have pics yet. Just got home not too long ago with it. It's dark so pictures are useless. But take my word for it: it does look positively fantastic. The shop took a bunch of pictures throughout the process, and they said they'll send them to me so I can post them. I expect to have a full "pictured-update" by Monday. (Hey, I still have a busy life with other things to do)

Seriously though, the car looks good. Even the wife, who can barely tell the difference between a Ford Ranger and a Honda Civic, thinks it looks like a totally different car.

[Thomistopheles]

Bah, you tease! :lol:

[amgarrety]

You need to take that thing out for a fall photoshoot sometime! There is probably a spot in a certain calendar with your name on it (if the S401 doesn't already have the spot).

[02_Legacy]

its not too late to get some nice photos and submit them for the calendar!!

[elislider]

i saw this on the Factory 3rd facebook group. looks probably a lot like what your car will look like
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9879_o.jpg (http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/680346_3840057971015_804549879_o.jpg)

[jverendia]

what a tease

[Dead91silvia]

Seriously though, the car looks good. Even the wife, who can barely tell the difference between a Ford Ranger and a Honda Civic, thinks it looks like a totally different car.

That right there made me laugh! :smt005 Tell your wife that.... haha

Cant wait to see the pics! :smt023

[Cervantes]

i saw this on the Factory 3rd facebook group. looks probably a lot like what your car will look like
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 9879_o.jpg (http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/680346_3840057971015_804549879_o.jpg)
Lol that's my car .. I didn't post it there

[Yamazaki]

So here's what it looks like. It actually still isn't done with the bodywork. The rear part of the side skirts still need to be added. That'll happen on Monday.

It also needs a wash.
http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3425_zps0slaxkmz.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3425_zps0slaxkmz.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3426_zpsirkrpdrs.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3426_zpsirkrpdrs.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3427_zpshnjgqjix.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3427_zpshnjgqjix.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3428_zpsqtfcyxwe.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3428_zpsqtfcyxwe.jpg.html) http://krenicki.com/ForumPictures/Vehicles/2002-BEE-Blitzen/th_DSCF3429_zpsxqwzywne.jpg (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3429_zpsxqwzywne.jpg.html)

[98legwag]

So sexy. Looks like it still needs the exhaust too right?

[rocketlegacy]

looks great! cant wait to see it done. is this going to be the daily driver when its finished?

[rkrenicki]

Looks great! But, I thought it was going to be purple? that looks like a dark blue.

[amgarrety]

It does look very dark blue, near the color that is stock over here. Glad to see it all one color!

You need to get those horns level behind that grille!

[Yamazaki]

So sexy. Looks like it still needs the exhaust too right?
You need to get those horns level behind that grille!Yeah yeah, I know. It needs a lot of things still.
Looks great! But, I thought it was going to be purple? that looks like a dark blue.It is more blue than purple. There is some purple, but it has to be seen in person.
looks great! cant wait to see it done. is this going to be the daily driver when its finished?It's already the wife's daily. That's actually why it isn't finished yet. She still needs it every day so I can't do anything with it except on the weekends, and then it's low on our priority list of things to do.

[Dead91silvia]

Look'n good! Much better all one color for sure!

[Cervantes]

Looks really good. You have some very special cars over there in the US

[ags18]

Looks really good. You have some very special cars over there in the US

"Special" is a very good term for what the US market has recieved over the years from Japanese auto makers but, the "special" that I am thinking about is a very un-politically correct, discriptive definition of the word. :/

***Back on topic: Looks really nice!! I like the Dark Blue tint to it. I think the tint and the gun metal wheels play nicely with eachother.

You cant wash it for a month though, right? Or, is my auto paint knowledge dated a bit? I was under the impression that you need to wait a few weeks (even a month) before washing for buffing out the clear coat.

:cool:

[Rubie_25GT]

You should definitely come out Sunday november 11th (tmrw) to Tutti Fruitti again because they are having a huge hurricane relief meet for victims of Sandy. This meet starts at like 6:30pm, but I am going to get there at like 4:30 pm to get a good parking spot because there will be hundreds of cars. If you took the S401 out it would be very popular. The Blitzen would also get a lot of attention. Its a fun event I think you should check out

But on another note, that looks awesome! Can't wait to see it in person sometime.

[Airgne]

looks good. now you need to get some spacers and fill out that wheel gap!!!!!!!

[Reuben]

looks good. now you need to get some spacers and fill out that wheel gap!!!!!!!

That's what i was thinking, they are so sunken into the arches it's not funny!

Looks bloody good though, well done!

[rkrenicki]

Don't take me wrong, I really like the color as it came out in the photos, I was just surprised.

How did the fenders turn out? It looks pretty good in those photos there, but I suppose it really needs to be seen in person.

[98legwag]

You should definitely come out Sunday november 11th (tmrw) to Tutti Fruitti again because they are having a huge hurricane relief meet for victims of Sandy. This meet starts at like 6:30pm, but I am going to get there at like 4:30 pm to get a good parking spot because there will be hundreds of cars. If you took the S401 out it would be very popular. The Blitzen would also get a lot of attention. Its a fun event I think you should check out

But on another note, that looks awesome! Can't wait to see it in person sometime.

I may head out there. Depends on timing because I am going to see Skyfall this afternoon.

[rougeben83]

glad to see it back!

[1996Battlewagon]

You're going to have to learn the wife all about the car so she can answer all the flabbergasted questions she's going to receive. It looks awesome but it does need spacers.

[Yamazaki]

Okay! Okay!
I'm going to look into the spacers. I was fine with it until people started pointing it out. Now it bugs me too.... :smt011

[Dead91silvia]

HAHA! I told you it bugged me the minute after will installed them! Took long enought for it to bug you! LOL

I have some 6mm ones I got for my BD if you need them. Might be too wide though. Not much thread left after they are installed though.

[rocketlegacy]

Okay! Okay!
I'm going to look into the spacers. I was fine with it until people started pointing it out. Now it bugs me too.... :smt011
smart. people beat me too suggesting spacers. ill need em too for my winter set up.

[Yamazaki]

I got the dead pedal and installed it right away. I like it.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3430_zpstexxvpti.jpg.html) https://sl-i.net/FORUM/ (http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/rkrenickisli/media/Car%20Galleries/2002%20BEE%20Blitzen/DSCF3431_zps3riokmbq.jpg.html)


The lighting sucks, but oh well. Trust me, it looks good.

[amgarrety]

I love the red lettering!

[hansvonaxion]

Saw a Blitzen 6 yesterday, possibly first one I've seen, in dark blue...

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/

[Dead91silvia]

^ Looks like the same damn car! haha... thats hawt! I want one!