Flash's 95 Legacy RWD conversion complete

[lord flashheart]

Haha pickup next time your up here.

[lord flashheart]

saturday our tuner is coming down to the shop to give me a hand with the cold start shiz and tuning.
so hopefully i will have my car running by next year. ;)

[lord flashheart]

GOT MY SHIZ TUNED!
so the first pull we made 294HP and 312TQ on 9.4psi
after some tweeking
we got 339.4 foot lbs of torque and 303 HP. at 12.5 psi (granted the peak was like 14)

NOW.
before you all are like "well thats not that much more than a stock STi"
i want to say a few things

1) this tune was intended for a flat torque curve. not peak numbers. my curve is much flatter than a stock STi.

2) our dyno is very conservative. we dyno'd a motor at 480hp, and when they put it in a car they made 550WHP.

3) im not sure what kind of power the trans will handle. so we are trying to keep it safe.

i also want to say that
the intercooler was very impressive. the highest our intake air temp got was like 80 something degrees. at times it was as low as 68!!

video of the pulls to come this evening.
here is a vid of the dyno sheet to prove it.

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[lord flashheart]

look at that torque curve! its flat as a board!! from like 1800 rpm to 6200 it doesnt go below 250ftlbs!

[r3v_v3ng3]

WOW :shock: thats some neck snapping torque! Wish you can take us for a spin lol :smt023

[grayguy]

VERY nice plots

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys!
we could have upped the boost to 15 psi and put a tad more timing in but the turbo tanks at 5000 RPM. so the low end torque would have been like almost 400 but the hp would likely stay the same in the top end. so we left that torque on the table to keep it flat.
the tuner is going to play with it to put the final touches on it.

Wheel power numbers sometime soon.
just waiting on my wideband o2 and my new fuel pump.

the video i made doesnt work :(

so here is the raw footage.
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[Dead91silvia]

nice! I was wondering when you where gonna get some number on it.

[EJ22D]

That's a long, very Audi-like TQ curve! Is that 91 or 93 octane that it's running on?

[i<3mysubi]

lets get that sucker in the car this weekend haha

[superu]

holytorquebatman!!!!!!!!!

diesel style numbers!

[ctrlaltstartx]

Sweet build, man. Nice work!

Feel free to put that motor in my BH at any time, kthx :grin:

[lord flashheart]

That's a long, very Audi-like TQ curve! Is that 91 or 93 octane that it's running on?
haha i wish we could get 93 here. 91 or aviation fuel.

lets get that sucker in the car this weekend haha
i cant, chris wants to play with some of the anti-lag settings n shiz.

holytorquebatman!!!!!!!!!

diesel style numbers!
thanks its all about VE of the turbo vs VE of the engine. it just so happens that the VE of the turbo is peaked just before the VE is peaked on the engine. so you can get 340ftlbs from 12psi.


Sweet build, man. Nice work!

Feel free to put that motor in my BH at any time, kthx :grin:
thank you. my co worker has a BH and i am really starting to dig the body style.
i think that may be a project down the road. (after the 4runner rock crawler and turbo corvette)
nice! I was wondering when you where gonna get some number on it.

we hit some rough patches with some of the software and tuning portion, as this is a new system for our tuners.
he wants to tweek it just a smidge more so assuming everything is good aproximately 7days from now i will be sticking it in.


i also finally got my NEW deatchwerks DW200 fuel pump :D

thanks to ty at rallysport direct!

[kimokalihi]

Damn that is some expensive oil! $16-$21/quart shipped. Talkin $90 oil changes. I was gonna get some but ill just let my engine run its course and take that money I saved using mobil1 and build a new one.

[lord flashheart]

where are you buying it from???
some of the XP synthetic series oil is almost that much,
but the HR synthetic are $100 for 12 quarts.
the BR are also about 107 for a 12 quart case.
my math is a lil fuzzy but thats like 9 per quart.
alot of the boys down at the track run their own blend,
of 40% BR or HR joe gibbs, then 60% their brand of choice (moble, purple, valvoline, GTx ETC.)
and thats a pretty good way to go, their website has a 'blending guide' on it somewhere.

[kimokalihi]

That's summit racing for the xp6 stuff in your pic. And other places online that popped up in google shopping.

[lord flashheart]

All the prices ive found are on joe gibbs website. I order direct from them.

[lord flashheart]

Also i use Xp6. When i go to the track. Around in my wifes outbacks and my 4runner i use hr-1
Or blend it.
If you dont push your motor pretty hard i wouldnt reccomend the XP6. Its like putting 116octain in your lawn mower... It doesnt need it.
HR conventional is a fantasic oil for our cars and its like 7 bucks a qrt.
Besides last time i checked the mobil1 synthetic is like 11.
And i know its cheaper that a comparable royal purple or amsoil.
If you just use penzoil (cringes) then by all means use penzoil. But if you run mobil1 or royal purple or amsoil... Take a look at joe gibbs.

[kimokalihi]

Ok cool. I get mobil1 at walmart for $25 for a 5 quart jug. Ill check it out on their website. I need an oil change anyway.

About the subaru bearings issue, are they really an oem problem or is it just custom built engines that have them? Seems to me I only really see them going out in peoples built engines and not as much on the stock engines. I guess the wrx and sti guys it happens to but I don't see it on the older engines like the ej22, ej20 and ej22t engines.

[lord flashheart]

yeah thats the mobil1 conventional.

we build roughly 4-7 subarus a week, more than any other engines. we sell about 2-3 used ones a week.
i would estimate that 90% of them are rod knocks, stock engines with under 135,000 miles.
it is a huge problem with subarus. compare the bearing width of any 4 cylinder engine that produces 160+ HP.
subarus are tiny, the width of a subaru bearing is comprable to the suzuki G16, toyota 3E, 3s-fe etc. all of which produce well under 150HP.
the EJ engine started life as a 1.5 if i recall correctly. the kept upping the displacement to get more power,
with out increasing the surface area of the bearing. subarus 'solution' has been to keep upping the oil pressure.
the early ej engines were perfectly happy at 25psi oil pressure. (tipically 20-50psi is the avarage range for most engines)
the newer EJ25s have a range of 75-110. depending on weight and temp. my ej25 is usually about 90 when you start it, and comes down to 70 when it goes closed loop.

there are plenty of engines that have under 20 psi oil pressure and never have any problems. for hundreds of thousands of miles.
yet subaru has problems with 60+ psi after 110k?
there is a serious problem with subaru design. using hi-performance bearings (ACL) is a way to help combat the issue.
ACL uses a special zinc plating on all their bearings, which gives it the brown color.
the benifit is under heat and load zinc becomes a super lubricant. thats why all the oil companys make a big stink about it.
this just helps, under dry starts, and when the oil is hot, and the viscostiy is low, it will protect the bearing itself. if the crank contacts the bearing. thus far, ACL is the only company i have seen use that coating (keep in mind that cosworth, and engine pro are made by ACL)

[kimokalihi]

I see. That makes sense. Would you say then its mostly just a turbo engine problem then? Not because of the turbo but because of the extra power the turbo makes? Seems the NA subaru engines easily go 200,000 miles with average maintanence and some go 3-400,000 miles.

[lord flashheart]

thats true with the old subaru stuff. but the 00+ i dont see many make it over 200. the 06 and up, (EJ253) shit the bed at 90k ALL THE TIME.
my grandpa bought a 06 outback, brand new. babied it. mobile1 synthetic oil changes at the dealer ever 3k.
ever thing done by the book. rod knock at 106k.
we see examples like this all the time. it has NOTHING to do with the turbo.
the old 2.2 would go forever because they didnt make much power.
tipically what i see is:
22e is good for 350+
the 25D is usually good for 225k.
the 251 is good for 190.
the 253 is good for 125.
205 good for about 200.
the 257... 140.
again.. this doesnt mean that you cant do 300k on a EJ253 im just saying i havent seen it, and we build an awful lot of them around 120k.

[kimokalihi]

Hmm I have a spare ej257 I was planning to build with forged pistons. Already have a set of barely used rods and new acl race bearings. You're scaring me haha.

[1055]

My .02? I have never seen good results from mobil one in any engine. Ever.

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[Garrison]

Not to draw too much off topic, but do you (flashheart) have any input on Shell Rotella? I've run this in all of my vehicles, and my race bikes and it seems to work very well.

[1055]

^shell rotella in my personal experience, along with many oil analysis posted on the interwebs, holds up fantastically. Ive had great success, I recommend it to anyone with a turbo subaru.

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[lord flashheart]

Synthetic rotella is a fairly good oil. Particularly if you dont hot rod much and change the oil on time. It is infactthe oil i ran in my old subaru.

my basic statment is this. If you hot rod your turbocharged car you should be changing you oil 3k nd using a good oil. A racing oil. They are designed to hold up to the heat. Turbochargers can get upwards of 1200+ degrees. That will turn you standard oil to goop in no time.

I take oil seriously. I have built alot of subarus and have had a extremely low defect rate by using good oil and bearings.

Mobil1 was a fantastic oil up untill 2years ago. Its still a mid grade in my book.

[Mr.Green the Great]

damn nice legacy mane!!! :twisted:
gonna be checking for updates on this one :smt023

[lord flashheart]

thanks, i really like yours as well! black legacys FTW!
get yourself a build thread fool!

[lord flashheart]

Ive been busy B-)
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[98legwag]

Very nice. Can't wait to see it finished.

[Garrison]

Have you experienced any noticeable throttle lag with your FMIC?

[lord flashheart]

Thanksguys.
Well its not drivable yet.. However on the dyno spool was fantastic, same with throttle response. How ever i am using a small turbo with ball bearings. Which is why i can make 280ftlbs at 2500rpm. If it was a ebay/china turbo with a .80 A/R compressor... Spool might not be as nice.

[1055]

Thats interesting fmic plumbing..

[lord flashheart]

The biggest critism i have with the fmic is the pipe fitment. Alot of modification has gone into making it fit in a appropriate manner. (meaning not sitting crooked or too low that it will get fed up on stuff.) other than that the cooling was awesome!
We did a 15psi load test for about 45 seconds at 3500 wot. The turbo and headers were glowing. We had 78-85 degree temps. It was impressive for a cheap intercooler.

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[kimokalihi]

Wow 80f temps after that long of a pull is pretty good!

[superu]

dam boy you've been busy!!

do you actually ever work on customer cars or is MM sponsoring you and your leggo project?? ;-)
;p

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[lord flashheart]

Haha i spend all my spare time on this. Many late nights. However for anyone considereing a swap use a stand alone. I hooked up 6wires and i was done. My radio was more complicated.
Idk if i posted this already but i gt it running and hve driven it down the street! Its just a matter of putting the dash in and tie up some loose ensd

[1055]

Cant go stand alone here in ct.. not unless its obdI or older than 25 years due to emissions testing.

Why not just swap with the ecu of the motor/engine you're using...

[EJ22D]

thats true with the old subaru stuff. but the 00+ i dont see many make it over 200. the 06 and up, (EJ253) shit the bed at 90k ALL THE TIME.
my grandpa bought a 06 outback, brand new. babied it. mobile1 synthetic oil changes at the dealer ever 3k.
ever thing done by the book. rod knock at 106k.
we see examples like this all the time. it has NOTHING to do with the turbo.
the old 2.2 would go forever because they didnt make much power.
tipically what i see is:
22e is good for 350+
the 25D is usually good for 225k.
the 251 is good for 190.
the 253 is good for 125.
205 good for about 200.
the 257... 140.
again.. this doesnt mean that you cant do 300k on a EJ253 im just saying i havent seen it, and we build an awful lot of them around 120k.

I knew the old EJs were tough little pieces of machinery but I didn't know that the new EJs were that bad.
22Es are about as tough as Volvo B5s (850 N/A I5) but 253s & 257s are horrible for high mileage engines.
Do you think that the increased oil pressure over the years has a lot to do with the bearing failure, other than the lack of required increase on the bearing surface?
It is true that more power = more stress on internal components.
In regards to your statement of Subaru increasing the oil pressure, I've heard from several people that too much oil pressure can cause "foaming" & such, which doesn't lubricate them properly.
Could this have anything to do with the short Phase 2 EJ integrity?

I have an 11mm oil pump from my 22E but that is because I wanted to make sure that the 25D heads had as much oil as possible under any & all conditions.
I don't necessarily drive my car hard but I do act a fool with it here & there.
Also, I notice that when I used 5w-30 oil, the heads were quite chatty but 10w-30 shut them up.
I do plan to install an oil temp sensor & oil pressure sensor to find out exactly what's going on in there.
As for oil, what do you recommend for hybrids because I keep trying to find the "right" oil so I can stick with it.
I like the Rotella T6 I'm running on now but I'm looking for something a bit tougher.

[1055]

^ I believe thats why so many people have had great success with a heavier weight oil than subaru would ever reccomend.

[lord flashheart]

I personally believe that avcs has to do with it. When we are on the dyno nd the avcs kicks in the pressure drops for a sec. While the pressure control valve catches up. its a theory of mine nothing more as i dont have a significant amount of evidence to support it.
As far as foaming goes the only time i really see the foaming affect in subarus is in extenuating sercumstances.
Over fill the motor and the crank shaft will whip it up or airirate the oil to look like foam.
Similar effect if your oil pump sucks a little air. Ie bad pickup seal or whatever.

And lastly when you run e85, water methanol etc. The water or ethanol or methanol (or whatever) gets past the rings it can whip up into a baby poo colored foamy oil.

I personally like heavy weight oil.

[lord flashheart]

The car is finally 'drivable'.
I took it for a test drive. Its semi-rediculous.
the 4.111 gears with the torque and the light body of the BD legacy.

[1055]

Thats why I kept my 4.11's. Theyre a lot of fun with the turbo.

[superu]

The car is finally 'drivable'.
I took it for a test drive. Its semi-rediculous.
the 4.111 gears with the torque and the light body of the BD legacy.

NICE I think i didn't know you were running 4.11s!

I bet that's all whiplash in all gears!!

I never hear about folks running 4.11s with turbos, but I keep telling my engine and race-builder friend in Flag to do it ;)

[kimokalihi]

I've got 4.444 in my legacy with ej20g and td05 w/robtune and 550 injectors. Its fun. Sucks on the freeway though. 3,500 rpm @70mph.

[Dead91silvia]

Pics or it didnt happen! :smt016

[kunchris]

nice progress...also tuning my BG aiming for 300whp. here in kenya we get lots of rod knocks too...quite alot. but its got nothing to do with FHI engineering. it all comes down to fuel octane. here in kenya all our subarus or rather most get imported from japan. and the japan ignition timing is realy aggressive because of the fuel quality.
put 93 oct on a jdm scooby especially STi models and they will knock till the IAM doesnt realy max out the ignition advance. what we usually do especially rally cars, is we remove 4-5 degrees of timing then we add abit of fuel.
in my opinion though, the ej207s take more beating than late model gc8 engines. since their knock control is more robust.

[lord flashheart]

So i put the car on the dyno for your veiwing pleasure.
But we scattered the center differential. The cause is currently unknown.
One theory is that the subaru dealer looked up the transmission code wrong and gave me a incorrect ratio. Another theory is that is was an old ass worn out diffand it was just its time to go. Yet another is that the previous owner of the trans ran it out of fluid and chewed it up so when we put power to it it shits the bed.

[superu]

I've got 4.444 in my legacy with ej20g and td05 w/robtune and 550 injectors. Its fun. Sucks on the freeway though. 3,500 rpm @70mph.

4.44s in a manual?

I'm sure its not a road trip car, its a FUN car! ;)

:smt005

mMMM, 4.44s 8-] . . .

[Garrison]

So i put the car on the dyno for your veiwing pleasure.
But we scattered the center differential. The cause is currently unknown.
One theory is that the subaru dealer looked up the transmission code wrong and gave me a incorrect ratio. Another theory is that is was an old ass worn out diffand it was just its time to go. Yet another is that the previous owner of the trans ran it out of fluid and chewed it up so when we put power to it it shits the bed.

Dude, that sucks..

Sti drive-train time?

[lord flashheart]

nah. i got a leggo trans again. gonna try out the 3.900s. if it shits i will buy a wrx trans, but i think this lego trans will do fine. the outback that the last trans came from had nearly 300K. ill let you know if it winds up being a wrong ratio thing

[EJ22D]

nah. i got a leggo trans again. gonna try out the 3.900s. if it shits i will buy a wrx trans, but i think this lego trans will do fine. the outback that the last trans came from had nearly 300K. ill let you know if it winds up being a wrong ratio thing

3.9 is good for highways but you're going to miss out on the acceleration bit.
Not that you should be worried about acceleration with the power level & tq you're producing.
That tq curve does seem like it would eat through old transmissions like Sour Patch Kids though.

[1055]

Boost loves long gears..

Make sure if you go wrx you either get an 05+ one or if you're not going for the newer trans one with the correct multiplier for the rear end.

[Garrison]

I learned today that your subaru produces more torque than the forumla 1 Red Bull car. (350nM torque)

Congrats :D

[kimokalihi]

But I bet it weighs twice as much. Power to weight ratio ftw.

[1055]

Not to mention that formula one car probably makes 600 hp out of a 2.0 liter and revs to 15k :lol:

[kimokalihi]

I've got 4.444 in my legacy with ej20g and td05 w/robtune and 550 injectors. Its fun. Sucks on the freeway though. 3,500 rpm @70mph.

4.44s in a manual?

I'm sure its not a road trip car, its a FUN car! ;)

:smt005

mMMM, 4.44s 8-] . . .

I did the last 3 west coast subaru show trips in it. 3,500-4,000 rpm pretty much the whole time. Got about 24mpg all freeway. 3.90 would probably get 30mpg same trip.

[1055]

Uhh.. my car is fucked then. Highway cruising at 3500rpm in 5th is 75mph... and 18.5 mpg on a good day.

I get 16.7 around town.

[kimokalihi]

What engine/turbo/injectors/engine management are you using? Mine is robtuned so it runs great.

[1055]

I also have a third gen.. a bit more weight for a 2.0l.


Ej205, td04, stock injectors.

Walbro 255
Megan one piece catless turbo manifold and up pipe
4" turboxs bellmouth catless dp
3" turboxs high flow cat
3" custom un resonated catback
Manual boost controller
Obx-r short ram

02 wrx 16bit ecu opensourced. Made 242/260 whp/wtq on a dynojet research at 17.8 psi.

[superu]

Uhh.. my car is fucked then. Highway cruising at 3500rpm in 5th is 75mph... and 18.5 mpg on a good day.

I get 16.7 around town.


that's a bummer :cry:


What's the age of your plugs, wires, filters? are you boosted? injector size?

I'm 4" lifted with 27.5" AT tires with 4.11s on a NA EJ22 and get 23 city 25 highway with 3250 rpm at 70 mph in 5th. :smt028

[1055]

I also have a third gen.. a bit more weight for a 2.0l.


Ej205, td04, stock injectors.

Walbro 255
Megan one piece catless turbo manifold and up pipe
4" turboxs bellmouth catless dp
3" turboxs high flow cat
3" custom un resonated catback
Manual boost controller
Obx-r short ram

02 wrx 16bit ecu opensourced. Made 242/260 whp/wtq on a dynojet research at 17.8 psi.




Uhh.. my car is fucked then. Highway cruising at 3500rpm in 5th is 75mph... and 18.5 mpg on a good day.

I get 16.7 around town.


that's a bummer :cry:


What's the age of your plugs, wires, filters? are you boosted? injector size?

I'm 4" lifted with 27.5" AT tires with 4.11s on a NA EJ22 and get 23 city 25 highway with 3250 rpm at 70 mph in 5th. :smt028

[lord flashheart]

when i tuned my car i put a nice big lean spot at about 3000rpm and 10inches of vac. This helps with gas mileage.
If i keep my foot out of the turbocharger i have no problems getting high 20s.


Speaking of putting my foot thru the turbo... I raced a 2011 camaro today.... Its sad when a 18year old sedan with a 4 cylinder and a hair dryer beat a new 'muscle car'

[1055]

My air fuels are steady at 11-11.5 the whole way through. Taking no chances on my 2.0

[lord flashheart]

Wow thats a tad rich. At highway cruise speed, light throttle my target afr is 14.1

[lord flashheart]

And if you do it like i do you are more likely to burn exhaust valves. I run good quality fuel to help curb that.

[1055]

WOT the whole way through, sorry. Target afr for light cruising apllication is about 12.7 iirc.

[kimokalihi]

Wow that's rich. Mine is right about 14.7 cruising and idle. Prob 11:1 full throttle.

[1055]

Fireballs all day.

Lower combustion temps, less stress on the motor, absolutely zero knock. Super safe tune.

[superu]

yeah, i saw that after I posted :banghead:
:smt002



I also have a third gen.. a bit more weight for a 2.0l.


Ej205, td04, stock injectors.

Walbro 255
Megan one piece catless turbo manifold and up pipe
4" turboxs bellmouth catless dp
3" turboxs high flow cat
3" custom un resonated catback
Manual boost controller
Obx-r short ram

02 wrx 16bit ecu opensourced. Made 242/260 whp/wtq on a dynojet research at 17.8 psi.




Uhh.. my car is fucked then. Highway cruising at 3500rpm in 5th is 75mph... and 18.5 mpg on a good day.

I get 16.7 around town.


that's a bummer :cry:


What's the age of your plugs, wires, filters? are you boosted? injector size?

I'm 4" lifted with 27.5" AT tires with 4.11s on a NA EJ22 and get 23 city 25 highway with 3250 rpm at 70 mph in 5th. :smt028

[superu]

when i tuned my car i put a nice big lean spot at about 3000rpm and 10inches of vac. This helps with gas mileage.
If i keep my foot out of the turbocharger i have no problems getting high 20s.


Speaking of putting my foot thru the turbo... I raced a 2011 camaro today.... Its sad when a 18year old sedan with a 4 cylinder and a hair dryer beat a new 'muscle car'

sad, or A W E S O M E !!! :smt023

[superu]

Btw, I'm in SLC for a couple weeks homie (Lflashheart). Check yer PMs

[i<3mysubi]

Did you bring your legacy?!?

[superu]

Did you bring your legacy?!?

Why yes I did! :-)

[superu]

I'm thinking a "not so slow and not so low" photo op is in order! ;)

[i<3mysubi]

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If you have time tomarrow come to this. I me and Chad will both be there

[superu]

I'm not on FB, but i see the deallie starts @ 9.
I'm busy till 3.30 then hitting the URG BBQ after that, but I could bump that appearance back a bit. . .
I'd love the opportunity to dyno my off-road pig though :-D in lo and hi range ;)

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Ooh, F! $80 for the dyno :cry:

i'm a poh, travelling b-stard :smt012 couldn't foot that dyno bill sadly, but it would be sweet to chat up some folks, and my rig's not euro and not "tuned" :wink:


http://www.facebook.com/events/485577558161481/?ref=2

If you have time tomarrow come to this. I me and Chad will both be there

[lord flashheart]

The dyno thing was kinda lame cause the weather sucked.
It was also sad that the big power number of the day was a 2012 evo at 317whp.
The saddest attempt was the audi RS4. He was talking big saying he was gonna do 400whp and ended up with a heartbreaking 237whp.
This dyno is a very low reading dyno. Which is why i was proud of my 194wtq.

[superu]

that might've been lame, but there was minor awesomeness for a small audience later!
:smt027


The dyno thing was kinda lame cause the weather sucked.
It was also sad that the big power number of the day was a 2012 evo at 317whp.
The saddest attempt was the audi RS4. He was talking big saying he was gonna do 400whp and ended up with a heartbreaking 237whp.
This dyno is a very low reading dyno. Which is why i was proud of my 194wtq.

[lord flashheart]

That was on my old engine. We are thinking the new one will be 290 wtq. Ill try and upload those pics later mark

[1055]

Uhh audi rs4 making 237whp? Sounds like the dyno is broken..

[lord flashheart]

those are rated at what? 400 flywheel horse power
? Tested without accessorys and thats brand new (and way way over rated) so we say without a tune up call it 5% loss ...so we will call it 388 even tho 12hp is on the lowend.
Now u loose 13.8 to altitude at 4600ft. But we will do 12% for benifit of the doubt. That puts you at about 340chp.
So the quattro isnt very efficent at getting power to the wheels. Most people use a 30% rule on them. But for the sake of argument we will use the sandard 25% for awd transmissions. Puts you at 250 ish.
Also ever other car was right on par. Stock STi put 230 ish down right after. A camaro ZL1with headers and a exhaust and cold air intake did 530whp the day after. and its rated at like 580.
Every car we have put on that dyno has been right on the money.
Its just that audi builds peices of shit. I raced one at the track and it was increadibly slow.

[lord flashheart]

Lol just reminded me last time i was at the drag strip there was a 380hp S4.
twin turbo V6. He did 17. Rs4 got his bunz handed to him by a GTO.rs4 was doing high 14s and high 15s all night.

[1055]

those are rated at what? 400 flywheel horse power
? Tested without accessorys and thats brand new (and way way over rated) so we say without a tune up call it 5% loss ...so we will call it 388 even tho 12hp is on the lowend.
Now u loose 13.8 to altitude at 4600ft. But we will do 12% for benifit of the doubt. That puts you at about 340chp.
So the quattro isnt very efficent at getting power to the wheels. Most people use a 30% rule on them. But for the sake of argument we will use the sandard 25% for awd transmissions. Puts you at 250 ish.
Also ever other car was right on par. Stock STi put 230 ish down right after. A camaro ZL1with headers and a exhaust and cold air intake did 530whp the day after. and its rated at like 580.
Every car we have put on that dyno has been right on the money.
Its just that audi builds peices of shit. I raced one at the track and it was increadibly slow.

Oh. You meant old rs4 avant? I was going to say the newer generations are 5 and change.

[lord flashheart]

Nah im talking about the like 2008 4.2 v8

[superu]

Ill try and upload those pics later mark

:smt023
thanks. feel free to drop them in my thread
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17684 (https://sl-i.net/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17684)

[lord flashheart]

Hoping to have time to do that soon.. Sorry buddy

[superu]

no worries dood, no rush.
I'm still just kickin' it in SLC, although a bit worried about my front bearings and tie rod ends. .. I hope nothing grenades on my drive home Friday :neutral:


Hoping to have time to do that soon.. Sorry buddy

[lord flashheart]

So here is a list (more for me than anyone else) of stuff i need to finish on my car before i move on to my next project.
Shift boot.
Re plumb pcv
install A/C
a/c fan wiring.
Brake pads and rotors
install stage 2 clutch, trans and diff.

I really want to move on to my next project so ill be working vigorously on this.

[lord flashheart]

So anyone reading this keep it on the down low but i officially started my own business.
I m working on getting the wheels off the ground at the moment but things are good thus far.

We will be offering engine rebuilding services, race inspired performance engine for both street and track use. And MIGHT Be offering a low cost perfomance clutch. Below is the 'prototype' which is going in my car this weekend.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/03/20130320_210056_zps723d23ea-2.jpg

[lord flashheart]

just got my car off the dyno.
318WTQ on my 14 psi map. (Street map) on the same dyno that the audi RS4 did 250whp. :D
same dyno that stock WRX STi tipically does 230WHP
i could have pushed it harder and switched to my 18psi (race map)
but my laptop with the tune was at home i didnt want to go
get it.

however its disapointing how fast this turbo falls on its face.
it made 265whp and it was absolutely maxed out. the torque
peaks at 318tq, and then it just falls.. by 7400 its only making 80wtq.
so i need a turbo that can maintain that torque curve.

[Garrison]

Doth I hear the angel choirs singing
"T-D-OH, T-D-OH, T-D-Ooooooooooh-5! 18-G!" ?
*to the tune of "Hallelujah"*

[1055]

Or shift earlier and keep your motor happy :lol:

[lord flashheart]

Well i shift at 6200. But the motor is built to be happy at high revs.

Besides i would like to have a good horse power number.
Horsepower is torque multipied by time. Which in the case of engines time is revs. rpms are a unit of time So if you dont have the time(rpm) torque is king. But engines that have time to make more power is important.
I want more torque because by prolonging the torque curve it wont increase the load on drivetrain components much but will make much more topend power and ultimately be much faster.

Engines make torque. Horsepower is a vistigial number but that doesnt mean its trivial.

[1055]

Horsepower is the rate at which you apply torque to the ground. Go bigger turbo for more top end, lose the low end.

My point is... the components will last longer at a lower rpm at the same power levels than they would at a higher rpm. Its a flat 4, not a rotary lol.

[EJ22D]

I want more torque because by prolonging the torque curve it wont increase the load on drivetrain components much but will make much more topend power and ultimately be much faster.

Yes, this is true, but a sudden torque spike will break things at that speed in short order.
It looks like you are preventing that by keeping the tq early & flat so the force on the drivetrain created is very minimal.
I know very little about advanced tuning but I know enough that your car is tuned pretty damn well.
How is it that you are boosting that early, keeping the Tq that flat, & carrying it that far through the rpm range?

[lord flashheart]

The increasing rpm to achive POWER raises load on internal components by 30% over increasing barometric pressure to achive the same power level but rpm is easier to achive ever try to get 25psI @2300RPM? Especially without a supercharger. i agree with your point. And my point is there are 2 things that go into the hp formula. TorqUE AND rpm. If you lack torqie you can still go fast. You just gotta make up for it with rpm. My car still makes 220hp @7500. yet has no tq. And im fine with that i just want more top end.

I am aware of that. I want to increase the torque in the topend. the turbo is going to do what its going to do. Especially with a manual boost controller. I cant move the tq curve or control it much. if you want to move the torque curve later in the rpm band you need to change the VE of the engine. Which is effected very very little by the tune. My options are 272cams, bigger turbo, lower the compression etc.

Also i will post up the video as soon as i can. As far as the transmission and what it can handle... I needed to know the limit of what it could handle. So before i pit the new transmission in my car we did about 30 awd burnouts. The trans took it like a champ. So im not super worried about a lightning fast spool up breaking my gearbox.

[i<3mysubi]

This is a video of the second pull. Before Chad turned the boost up a couple psi. Unfortunately my phone was about to die and I didn't get the final pull. But Chad did
http://s1115.photobucket.com/albums/k55 ... 220050.mp4 (http://s1115.photobucket.com/albums/k551/bryson3424/video/?action=view&current=20130323_220050.mp4)

[lord flashheart]

Hey buddy!
thanks for posting that.

[superu]

dude! PMn'!
;)

[lord flashheart]

:smt011 blew the turbo on my car.....
so i may go rotated, with a precision turbo.. just thinking about it.

[1055]

Welcome to the club! I'm on turbo number three in a month :( first one was old. Second one had an oil feed issue and now onto the newest one.

A buddy of mine JUST sold his complete vf37 twinscroll setup.. would have been perfect for what you're looking for.

[superu]

As my 3yr old would say, "Awe PWAT!!"

[i<3mysubi]

Ahhh, i love when this thread goes to a new Page.

Anyway I think you should do the rotated kit. Or make one with rob. Because eventually you know you are gonna want more power than stock location can offer

[superu]

bore out, then sleeve, upgradeupgradeupgrade, pour lead in the semi open deck, make it solid, then double twin-scroll and see what happens. Maybe you can get your block to glow white hot and not just the tubes ;)
:smt005

(selfish plug: pix on my thread yet? ;)

[lord flashheart]

ya'll nuuutz.
i am going with this turbo
http://www.precisionturbo.net/turbochar ... 1E-MFS/524 (http://www.precisionturbo.net/turbochargers/entry-level-turbochargers/details/Entry-Level-Turbocharger---5931E-MFS/524)
its good for 500+whp from what ive seen.

[EJ22D]

Heh, "entry level" @ 500+whp! :D

[lord flashheart]

im also doing 1000cc injectors, manley pistons, and arp head studs.
also will be converting my car to hydralic clutch.

[EJ22D]

im also doing 1000cc injectors, manley pistons, and arp head studs.
also will be converting my car to hydralic clutch.

How about rods?

[r3v_v3ng3]

im also doing 1000cc injectors, manley pistons, and arp head studs.
also will be converting my car to hydralic clutch.

Your setup is going to be a beast!

Hydraulic clutch FTW

[Garrison]

Nice, a T3 will make your build even more beast!

Are you aiming for 450-500 range?

[superu]

Heh, "entry level" @ 500+whp! :D

HAHA I was going to say the EXACT same thing!! :smt005

[superu]

also will be converting my car to hydralic clutch.

take notes!!
I wanna do the same thing but not too interested in the requisite down time for this mod (as a first timer)

[lord flashheart]

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/04/20130425_141243_zps832b25a2-1.jpg
new turbo next to VF39 sti turbo

[lord flashheart]

Lol gonna try and get 400whp out of this thinf

[1055]

Is that a .76? Love the way anti surge housings look/sound.

[Garrison]

Damn man, my build was a .76 trim too.

Good luck! Getting into boost won't be fun, but once you're there HOLD ON!! :D

[1055]

Oops. Didnt see the oink before. Good guess on my part!

[lord flashheart]

Yeah ive got a couple tricks up my sleeves to spool it up :)

[i<3mysubi]

Hydraulic clutch conversion really will only take like an hour if you have all the parts

[superu]

Hydraulic clutch conversion really will only take like an hour if you have all the parts

Really? with hill holder or that doesn't matter. . . .
I THINK I have everything for mine but I need to dbl check the hydro line, it may be cut/toasted .

either way I'm interested in the hows of the mod (w/o doing the digging through thread searches ;)

['98Wagon]

Nice build man! And I haven't even read the whole thing! Any change you could fix all the pics? I can't see any at the beginnings of the thread.

How about updated pics?

[lord flashheart]

Ok so sorry for the lack of updates.
im sorta starting over.
So ill bring every one up to speed with what has gone down in the past. so here is a highlight reel of my cars modifications.
https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/10/18294946-1.jpghttps://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/10/IMAG0057-1.jpg
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https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/10/20130527_162749_zpsd8516827-1.jpg
and that brings us to now.. 8 Engines later.

so here are some photo updates from today..
this is my 2.35 Liter destroked.
the recipe (already purchased):
EJ205 crankshaft
EJ251 block with pins in the deck to make semi closed deck. (see pictures)
Manley forged pistons
2013 EJ257 connecting rods
ARP Head studs
AEM Wideband 02
electronic boost controller
electronic boost guage

yet to be purchased:
bigger turbo
coil overs
racing seat

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2013/10/DSC_0427_zps366cb714-1.jpg (http://s251.photobucket.com/user/gulfport_chad/media/DSC_0427_zps366cb714.jpg.html)
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[superu]

whao! 8?

My how time flies!

I like the driver's floor carpet mod the best!! ;)

[lord flashheart]

hahaha it was nice after not having carpet in it for a long time

my buddy (Rob @ Rob's Speed Shop) is trying me to build a car to run competitively,
so it may get caged, go on a diet and become a thoroughbred.

[xoSubieLegacyxo]

I like the new paint job, and current engine swap! lol

[lord flashheart]

thanks man! as far as engine swaps go, the EMS-4 has been awesome. i highly recommend it to anyone doing an engine swap

[Garrison]

Dude, I dig. A very nice job!

[superu]

so, maybe a bit too personal...
but is this going to be a widow-maker or a divorce-maker?

:smt005

[pumpupthevolume]

Damn looks sweet, how much power do you think your going for with this setup?

[1996Battlewagon]

Those pin mods are pretty cool. It's like a financially savvy man's EJ257. What kind of fuel are you going to use?

[86bratman]

Jealous man. Looks like its been a lot of fun with this beast.

[LGTtoBE]

What intake manifold (and tube) and what P/S pump and tank are you using?!?

[lord flashheart]

Dude, I dig. A very nice job!
thanks bro!


so, maybe a bit too personal...
but is this going to be a widow-maker or a divorce-maker?

:smt005

my wife keeps the car budget on a pretty short leash, and the car has tried to kill me a bunch of times before (like the time it lost a brake caliper while racing thru a canyon) .. so im gonna say a widow maker for sure.


Damn looks sweet, how much power do you think your going for with this setup?
well ill be running the VF23 for a little while till i can fabricate the rotated set up. should be low 300whp and mid 300s wtq.


Those pin mods are pretty cool. It's like a financially savvy man's EJ257. What kind of fuel are you going to use?
for sure. ive done this before on some hondas, its a pretty cost effective upgrade, and i had a EJ251 block sitting around so i figured why not. when i do the rotated set up, ill be doing 1000cc injectors ill have 3 maps, pump, 105 and maybe a 110 with spray.


Jealous man. Looks like its been a lot of fun with this beast.
yea it is. every time the power increases there is exponential increase in fun, fear, and fights with the wife. but when the guy in the STi cant keep up.. it makes it worth it.


What intake manifold (and tube) and what P/S pump and tank are you using?!?

the intake manifold is a EJ20K JDM manifold from a 98 STi (i think i have some extra ones for sale if you want one) and the power steering is also from a 98 STi.
your turboing your car right? let me know if you have any questions.

[lord flashheart]

so one of the bolt holes for the timing belt idlers on the block is super stripped out from the previous owner of this block. i was about to put timing on it and drop it in when i found it.. its too big for a helicoil or a time-sert. i have to make a custom thread insert to repair it..

[86bratman]

Can you give some info about the pin mod, I've seen it done online before but no real write up on the steps involved.

[Dead91silvia]

That sucks...

I just finished an hg job on an 01 Outback and the bone head that worked on it before stripped out all 3 mounting bolt holes for the bracket. Then he used a 13mm head (non automotive) bolt for the alternator adjustment. ugh...

[lord flashheart]

Can you give some info about the pin mod, I've seen it done online before but no real write up on the steps involved.

yea its fairly simple.
first thing to do is go to home depot and get some 7/16 aluminum rod. do NOT use steel because they have a different thermal dynamic.
next you need to drill holes for the pins. i used a mill but i think you could do it in your garage with a drill press if you go slow.
measure rod and select a drill bit that is about .010-.012 inches smaller than the rod. put a piece of tape on the bit about 3/4 of an inch from the tip. (this is so they are all about the same depth.)
cut your rod so you have a little extra sticking up from the deck surface.
heat up your block in the oven, and press the pins into the block. (you gotta be fast, before the pin expands from the heat. also a little bit of oil doesnt hurt either)
once they are all in, have your machinest bore and hone (or just hone if your re-using pistons) because when you put the pins in the bore is no longer round. once its bored out, surface it.
boom done.


That sucks...

I just finished an hg job on an 01 Outback and the bone head that worked on it before stripped out all 3 mounting bolt holes for the bracket. Then he used a 13mm head (non automotive) bolt for the alternator adjustment. ugh...

haha i feel your pain brother!
ya gotta love the ghetto-files.

[86bratman]

Thanks man. I didn't think it'd be that simple lol.

[lord flashheart]

Yea its pretty easy. I think it only took me 30-40 minutes or so. Last time i did it for a customer i charged $100 bucks including materials.

[lord flashheart]

my home made thread insert.
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[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

so an update (ill post some pics when i get on wifi)
i got the engine in and running and ajusted the tune so it was safe to drive.
its pretty rediculous. if the road is damp, dirty or uneaven or if im turning when the boost kicks in the tires spin like crazy.
keep in mind i have 245/40ZR18s with 3.90s. if i was running my old 215/45R17s and 4.11s i think it would be out of control. its alot of fun.

[superu]

so an update (ill post some pics when i get on wifi)
i got the engine in and running and ajusted the tune so it was safe to drive.
its pretty rediculous. if the road is damp, dirty or uneaven or if im turning when the boost kicks in the tires spin like crazy.
keep in mind i have 245/40ZR18s with 3.90s. if i was running my old 215/45R17s and 4.11s i think it would be out of control. its alot of fun.

:smt020

:smt027

[Soul Shinobi]

...i think it would be out of control. its alot of fun.
:grin:

[Muse]

How, precisely, have I missed this thread? Holy hell, man, this thing is fierce.

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys im uploading photos from my phone to my laptop. update it a few..

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

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[grayguy]

Wait, how the hell did you get 245's under your car? My 225s rubbed when I had those

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[wentz912]

What he said!

[86bratman]

Looks mean dude. Sounds fun as hell.

[superu]

lookin' forward to seeing it in a few days, yo! :)

[lord flashheart]

i flared the shit out of the fenders. it still rubs under hard corners and excelleration. ir ocer bumps with people in the back. but it looks good with them so its worth it.

i kniw buddy i cant wait!

[superu]

i kniw buddy i cant wait!

PM or text with some details. I may not come up till friday. . .

[Garrison]

Daaaaayum son, you've put in work!

#sofreshsoclean

[Muse]

I fucking LOVE the timing cover... it's so gaudy, yet so irresistible.

[r3v_v3ng3]

This is badass!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks guys.
I needed some new gauges. The sunpro autozone special wasn't cutting it. (The volt, temp, and boost gauges fail..)
So I reluctantly shelled out for EQuus gauges. I'm super happy with the quallity and they look way better. These pics look shitty and don't do them justice buttrust me they look fantastic. Now that I have some gauges that work I need a gearbox (someone sold me one with a bad Iimputshaft bearing :/....)
Then I need to fix a broken door handle.. gut it..give it a good paint job (I know I know don't laugh.) Put coilovers on it and tune it.
#neverendingbattle.

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

today i was thinking of how to remedy my imput shaft problem. and i ended taking the center differential out of my old 8 bolt (phase2) outback 5 speed. the reason i took that trans out of my car is because it had a bad center diff.. i took it appart and cleaned everything so i wont have any chunks of the old diff causing problems. now i plan on welding the spider gears up, and putting it back in, then putting it in my car.
i also have some bad axles to take apart that i will serve the purpose of the RWD conversion.
as much as i would like to weld the rear diff as well, i am going to leave it open in a last ditch attempt to keep axles together. if i come across a good deal on a better rear end with axles i will take it.
stay tuned for pictures

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

Sorry for the missmatch order
i got axles and a center diff to sacrifice for my rwd conversion.

[Garrison]

Dude! No warning? I was eating breakfast and almost yakked :P

[lord flashheart]

Hahahahahaha sorry broskitto

[lord flashheart]

Fixed title

[superu]

:smt005

[Garrison]

Okay, cool. Now I'm excited!

Happy New Year, Sl-i!

[lord flashheart]

Yea i was planning on installing the new gearbox but i am also planning on doing a hydraulic clutch swap at the same time. But i got so drunk on new years i couldnt get out of bed to actually do it.

[Garrison]

I was actually going to ask you why you didn't spring for the 6-speed with DCCD so you could change it to 10-90% in the rear and run it.

I guess you want 100% rear?

[lord flashheart]

Well actually i would get on board with that however it was just a combination of factors that led to this.
1) i have been getting burned out with my car and wanting to start on my next project, which i am planning on a rock crawler build for my toyota (Solid axle, 02 tacoma front end supercharger etc.) So alot of the money and motivation has been robbed of my subaru. Which means no dccd.
2) the transmission in my car is junk so i need a quick and inexpensive solution. Since i had a trans with a bad center diff. This was my solution. My rwd conversion has cost me aprox. $0 so far.
3)ive always wondered what my car would be like RWD.

[Garrison]

3)ive always wondered what my car would be like RWD.
*Hint: insane :grin:

Cool dude! I'm excited to see some drift photos

[EJ22D]

I'm sticking around for this. HOW I missed this before, I do not know.

[grayguy]

progress?

[lord flashheart]

weird

[lord flashheart]

:smt011 i wrecked it today.

[geckoboy86]

How much damage? And everyone alright?

[lord flashheart]

would have been alot less damage if i hadnt removed the bumper for the FMIC...
im working on getting pics up

it was a fairly minor accident. everyone is perfectly fine.

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

i know it doesnt look that bad but the hood is bent outa shape, and the radiator and support are messed up, and the intercooler is crushed.

i was planning on sending it out for paint, and JUST finished tuning so i was gonna dyno it..

[superu]

Awe FUK!!!!!!
I'm glad no one was hurt!
In a way that adds to the sting though.
Dude that's a bummer.


We'll talk man...eventually.

Best to ya

[Red85Celica]

That's sucks man. Same thing happened to my '97 wagon last month.

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[98legwag]

Sorry to see it.

[Wagonista]

Any damage to the unibody underneath?

[fogls]

Looks fixable unless the damage went back on the unibody.

[fwa2500]

that sucks dude :( hope it ends up being fixable!

[lord flashheart]

thanks guys
well its fixable. but i have full coverage on the car, and based on the 45% rule it will be totaled and ill just keep the parts ive put in the car, and the insurance company will buy me a new one. so i can start fresh with a new body :D, or all sell my whole complete setup as a complete 'swap-in-a-box' type of deal and focus on corvette or rock crawler

[dynonacht]

Pricetag on swap-in-a-box?

[foohfooh]

sux bro

[elislider]

laaaaaaaame.

[superu]

not that it matters now, but had you dialed the RWD and were just going to dyno it before posting up?

[lord flashheart]

I didn't get time to stick the red conversion in. Its sitting on my bench.
the tuning was almost done. I had probably 30-60 min left of tuning.
I can tell you I love the 2.3DStroker. Its awesome.
If anyone is considering the 2.3Dstroker. do it.
quote="dynonacht"]Pricetag on swap-in-a-box?[/quote]
Well I think if that's the route I take
It would come with:
Fuel pump
complete engine setup
Downpour
turbocharger
Turbo crossmember
new intercooler
6 puck clutch
all gauges including AEM wideband
AEM ems4 universal with wiring harness.
low profile cooling fan

Probably 5k.


not that it matters now, but had you dialed the RWD and were just going to dyno it before posting up?

[lord flashheart]

That message got all F'd

[lord flashheart]

Hey fellas its been a while. I suppose its due for an update.
After i wrecked it i took a break from it. Now, i am taking this time to repair the car and get all the weird glitches and whatnot figured out. I guess a few Pics can hurt. People who followed this build know i have attempted to paint it like 3 times and had epic failures every time. So we are trying again. I bought some nice, quality paint, and am paying a guy to spray it.
Ive been sorting all the stupid little issues with the wiring in it. The only one i cant seem to solve is my tachometer. I also did a new headliner in it, and a few other things.


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[Muse]

I like that headliner!

[Dead91silvia]

Nice to see things happening with it!

[lord flashheart]

Thanks i appreciate it.
Im about 15-20 hours in sanding so far and not even 20%. The rust and dents are very time consuming. Pictures of said dents and rust:

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[meepers]

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Stikit-Sanding-Block-Kit/dp/B00A9ZKW5O/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1424710561&sr=8-8&keywords=3m+sanding+blocks

Get one of these.. It will make your body work so much better then just using a DA. It will show you your low and high spots when you block the car down.

[lord flashheart]

Cool ill look into it!

[Dead91silvia]

I'm so glade I live here in the NW... So little rust to be found.

[lord flashheart]

Yea utah loves to use salt on the streets of salt lake to melt ice, speaking of salt, rub some of it in this wound why dont cha?

[98legwag]

Dead91silvia doesn't want to know what the roads look like in MD right now.

[Dead91silvia]

Dead91silvia doesn't want to know what the roads look like in MD right now.

Shut it!

[rkrenicki]

Probably about the same shade of paper-white that the roads in CT have right now with all of the salt...

[lord flashheart]

I just picked up the paint.
Its this metallic silver. Its supposed to be this metallic grey in the dark, and when the sun hits it its super bright silver.

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[lord flashheart]

A tip for anyone who is looking to paint their car, go to a body shop and ask to buy some left over paint. Thats how i got this for so cheap. Its enough high quality paint to do a car, but it was less than $75! Down side is i didnt like the plain silver so i had them add some grey on the spot to darken it up.. so this is a one off color. If i need to repaint a fender and i dont have enough left over..im F'd.

[98legwag]

That looks like a really nice color though.

[lord flashheart]

Thankies

[lord flashheart]

Got a package in the mail today.
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Rather than buy bigger brakes i decided to purchase some flashy (pun intended) discs and some high quality pads, fluid, and lines.

[nepbug]

That color looks fantastic, I look forward to seeing the entire car sprayed in it.

[lord flashheart]

Thanks! im excited. I want to take my time and do it right. Which might require waiting till summer to paint it.

[lord flashheart]

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[chevyman1968]

I am glad to see this car is still alive! Looking good man!


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[r3v_v3ng3]

You might need to remove the windshield to get all the rust out. I've seen several subaru's with a rust on top like that. All probably cause by a blade thru the seal and over time the water gets underneath and rust it out.
I think you were asking about paint on rs25. That silver is nice. You might want to do a test panel first to see how your metallic arrange itself before doing something big. I would suggest painting the car panel by panel for better results but it may not match when you put them back together (different air pressure/the angle the mettalic sprayed/more or less coat on some areas). Is it single stage or base/clear? Is the color reduced already? Also what gun are you using?
Yeah alot of body/paint shop have excess premix paint (old inventory/mixed wrong or the customer never picked it up). I have alot of different base paint and I put them all together. Now I'm just looking for someone to see if they like it so I can spray it for them lol

[chevyman1968]

Hey Flash, A thought on your tach issue. I know your running an AEM Ecu and remember you saying that you don't use the crank sensor. That could be your problem there possibly. Your tach should run off that signal iirc. Idk if you have that all unhooked or not.


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[lord flashheart]

Yea I have a buddy who is a good painter and we are going to use his stuff and he will be doing the spraying. I might rent a booth.. Might. It still needs to be reduced and its base coat clear coat.

As far as the tach is concerned, I Dont use the cam. The computer uses the crank to trigger and monitor the revolutions. The cam is just used as a sync. To help the computer know which revolution its on since the computer sees it as 720 degrees instead of 360. However I use wasted spark so I it doesn't matter on my engine if I Dont have the can to sync up.

[chevyman1968]

Oh okay got ya my mistake. I don't remember much nowadays.


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[lord flashheart]

Oh okay got ya my mistake. I don't remember much nowadays.


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No worries. My car is kinda a unique setup. There's no way you could have known

[chevyman1968]

I would like try the 2.3 liter destroker eventually. Is that what you are still running? I am trading up to a 3rd Gen Sedan and will be setting aside a swap budget this time around. Run it with a td-05 twin scroll JDM setup


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[chevyman1968]

Hey I was on YouTube and saw your video on the tach. I would try a potentiometer. I gonna make a suggestion from my music experience haha but the 50k pot you are using is a very narrow sweep and would make adjustments difficult because it's not precise enough. I would try a 250k or 500k pot and see if that makes a difference. They have a wide sweep so you can adjust more precisely and thats what they use on guitars.


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[lord flashheart]

I would like try the 2.3 liter destroker eventually. Is that what you are still running? I am trading up to a 3rd Gen Sedan and will be setting aside a swap budget this time around. Run it with a td-05 twin scroll JDM setup


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Yea I really like my destroker. Technically its a 2.4 liter cuz its like 2365cc or something but I like saying its a 2.3 cuz it seems to confuse people. I highly recommend it. I think like it better than my sti 2.5L

[lord flashheart]

Got some aluminum lug nuts.
They are over the top and I Dont care. I like them.
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[CaleDeRoo]

Nice. I want gold ones and red center caps for my BBS.

Over the top? Naaaaahhhhhhh XD

[lord flashheart]

Do you have the STi bbs wheels?
Yea I was amazed at how in expensive these were. I paid like 25 bucks. I was worried about scratching the anodized coating off so I put some tp in my lug wrench. After my car is painted I want to get my wheels powder coated cuz they are so chipped up.


Edit: I remember your build now. You do have the sti bbss

[CaleDeRoo]

What brand are they? That was $25 for all 4 wheels?

[lord flashheart]

The brand I got was godsnow. I got some 60mm ones because my wheels have kinda deep lug holes. But here's a good example of them on amazon https://sl-i.net/FORUM/images/imported/2015/03/d73d1530135e6a98d899f5d80b19b769-1.jpg

[CaleDeRoo]

Sweet just bought the gold version of those^

Damn working over nights is rough on the wallet... First new shades then lug nuts...

[lord flashheart]

I dig them for sure.


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Next question I'm debating on installing these after paint because after the wreck the bumper hangs a bit funny, but I'm not replacing it. What do u guys think? Too dumb?

[lord flashheart]

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[lord flashheart]

Ugh.. I dislike body work.
This is the 3rd time I've tried to paint this car. Some where Reason is thinking "how many times are you going to try to paint that hunk of junk before you pay a professional?" And the answer is, as usual, one more time.
This time tho I have a friend who has painted a few cars who will be advising me and helping me. I'm roughly 30% done sanding, 50% done with body filler. After that its a final sand, wash, mask, prime, base, clear.

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[lord flashheart]

Oh and fix some of this rust.
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[lord flashheart]

No one has anything to say about the bumper retainers??

I guess no one follows my 1.5 ton turd..

Anyways.

Got the rust fixed, As much of it as I'm going to fix anyways. There's just way to much. Its everywhere.

Also Dont judge me, I'm not a welder but these welds are strong. I beat on them with a hammer to make sure.
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Not bad for a first try. Better than a rust hole anyways...

I pulled the trim off and I kinda like the look. Anyone ever delete them? I have been thing about doing it but slanting so it leaves the lower crease.
Like so:
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[CaleDeRoo]

How well do the quick releases actually hold the bumper on?

[lord flashheart]

I believe it will help keep the bumper tight to the fender and the edge

[BDAlex95]

Leaving the lower crease would look off to me. If you follow the bumper lines it's better to leave the top crease, but I have no idea how that would look. I think you shouldn't remove them and keep searching for JDM moldings.

[lord flashheart]

I just stumbled upon a picture of a legacy with a trim delete. Anyone know where the build thread on this car is, who's car it is or any more pictures? I think giro disc did the body work on it.. But I'm not 100% sure.

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[98legwag]

I know Giro disc did the work. It was/is his old coworker's car from what I remember. But I don't know where a thread would be for it.

[lord flashheart]

Good to know, is he still on the forums?

[BDAlex95]

Good to know, is he still on the forums?

https://sl-i.net/FORUM/showthread.php?11410-TwistedAutoWork-s-99-Legacy-GT

Here ya go. No, he's not active anymore afaik.

[lord flashheart]

Bummer.

[BDAlex95]

Bored at work, so I found his flickr. Should give you a visual idea of what he did I guess. There's no other useful info.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedautoworks/sets/72157623506207733/

[lord flashheart]

Oh thank you that's super helpful! It looks like too much work. And I'm doing the bondo right now and it made me remember how much I hate it.

[superu]

Welcome back to Subarulandia bro!!

I'm psyched to see this one coming back after the wreck.
Will it still be RWD and wicked-powerful in its rolling, driving form?

Nice brakes!

Sweet paint! Get the appropriate hardener to do it right, but mad props for DIY and learning in previous iterations.

Now you need a GT/SUS spoiler too!!

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:thumbup:


Bumper clips, no experience opinion..

Welding for rust holes. cool! Metal, better than filler IMHO... but what do i know, its (usually) snow/salt free where i live. . . :P

[lord flashheart]

Thanks man. Nah I sold my RWD conversion.
Dang that looks good! When you pick that up?

[superu]

Thanks man. Nah I sold my RWD conversion.
Dang that looks good! When you pick that up?

:thumbup: thanks

Nick scored it last fall.
Now to figure how to paint it. I'm not getting a qt or ruby mica and a gallon of hardener for it...and the rattle can crap (clear coat too) just oxidizes
so I'm in indecision for now. My matte black 2-tone oxidized in about a year, but it wasn't auto paint. And Moab's two-weeks from everwhere, so can't really get just anything here.



so it goes.

But you should be able to source a GT spoiler in not too long of time. As the low L, LS and LSi spoilers are the same, so are the higher GT and SUS spoilers

[BDAlex95]

Could always wrap the car. That's also an inexpensive option. It's also way less work if you fuck up; don't like it? Tear it off and try again.

[LeggyxPower]

I loled at your weld picture post. I know when i first got my welder, man those welds were ass ugly but hell they were strong. You'll get it soon. and AWESOME BUILD!

[lord flashheart]

Yea one thing hot rodders and engineers have in common, they are always changing things for the better or worse. Ive got paint in my head and I'm not going to change it lol. You know how it is.

Yea that's how these are. They are like a million tach welds haha. As my grandpa says: "its good enough for the girls we go with"

Been doing bondo shiz. Filling dents and rust patch job. I know its not beautiful but it will look good when its done I still have more to do with the bondo. I am busting my ass cuz I want to paint it next week.

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